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	<title>Comments on: The radiant beauty of cosmic collisions</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve_G</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/13/the-beauty-of-cosmic-collisions/comment-page-2/#comment-220866</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so we&#039;re all clear, Embiggen (and Cromulent) are original words coined for/by the Simpsons cartoon TV Series, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast for an explanation :)
It&#039;s all a just a bit of fun really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so we&#8217;re all clear, Embiggen (and Cromulent) are original words coined for/by the Simpsons cartoon TV Series, see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast</a> for an explanation <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It&#8217;s all a just a bit of fun really!</p>
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		<title>By: Earth sci guy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/13/the-beauty-of-cosmic-collisions/comment-page-2/#comment-220447</link>
		<dc:creator>Earth sci guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant photo...great, colorful article...and the responses here are like watching Big Bang! There is nothing wrong with using/creating words like &#039;embiggen&#039;. It adds a bit of spice to life. Relax, enjoy, laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant photo&#8230;great, colorful article&#8230;and the responses here are like watching Big Bang! There is nothing wrong with using/creating words like &#8216;embiggen&#8217;. It adds a bit of spice to life. Relax, enjoy, laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Hubble Shows Us A Beautiful Collision &#171; Kansas Academy of Mathematics and Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/13/the-beauty-of-cosmic-collisions/comment-page-1/#comment-220372</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubble Shows Us A Beautiful Collision &#171; Kansas Academy of Mathematics and Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This image from the Hubble Space Telescope looks like a two-armed galaxy.  Instead, what is actually captured in this image are two spiral galaxies in a high-speed collision 250 million light-years away.  This double galaxy, NGC 2623 or Arp 243, is located in the constellation Cancer.  The collision has caused the two galaxies to merge at their cores, but clusters of young stars are forming in the arms.  For more information, see Discover. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This image from the Hubble Space Telescope looks like a two-armed galaxy.  Instead, what is actually captured in this image are two spiral galaxies in a high-speed collision 250 million light-years away.  This double galaxy, NGC 2623 or Arp 243, is located in the constellation Cancer.  The collision has caused the two galaxies to merge at their cores, but clusters of young stars are forming in the arms.  For more information, see Discover. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: johnfruh</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnfruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz @ 43

Thanks again, Buzz. I do appreciate that the two models can be used to describe gravity and have their own uses in various circumstances.

I believe that I do understand your point and have no quarrel with it.  Thanks also for the bit about the woo purveyors. Well said.

However, I don&#039;t think that I have made my point clear as I still do not have an answer for it (although it might be hinted at by your use of the term &quot;Model&quot;).

So, let me try again. IS gravity a force or a curvature of spacetime?  Or are both concepts just a &quot;model&quot; of gravity?  If so, are we still no closer to understanding what it IS?

Tangentially, would it not be better to describe the effect of gravity on galaxies using GR terminology?   After all, as you said, GR applies at large scales and galaxies are rather large. For instance, could it be that the curvature of the galactic tails is somehow due to the time it takes for the gravity at the centre of the interacting galaxies to get out there (after all, gravity can only &quot;travel&quot; at the speed of light, right?

Petrolonfire @47 ... You&#039;re welcome.  And, no, embiggen is not a real word.  I think that Phil is playing with a take off from the real word &quot;enlarge&quot;.

Cheers.

...John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz @ 43</p>
<p>Thanks again, Buzz. I do appreciate that the two models can be used to describe gravity and have their own uses in various circumstances.</p>
<p>I believe that I do understand your point and have no quarrel with it.  Thanks also for the bit about the woo purveyors. Well said.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think that I have made my point clear as I still do not have an answer for it (although it might be hinted at by your use of the term &#8220;Model&#8221;).</p>
<p>So, let me try again. IS gravity a force or a curvature of spacetime?  Or are both concepts just a &#8220;model&#8221; of gravity?  If so, are we still no closer to understanding what it IS?</p>
<p>Tangentially, would it not be better to describe the effect of gravity on galaxies using GR terminology?   After all, as you said, GR applies at large scales and galaxies are rather large. For instance, could it be that the curvature of the galactic tails is somehow due to the time it takes for the gravity at the centre of the interacting galaxies to get out there (after all, gravity can only &#8220;travel&#8221; at the speed of light, right?</p>
<p>Petrolonfire @47 &#8230; You&#8217;re welcome.  And, no, embiggen is not a real word.  I think that Phil is playing with a take off from the real word &#8220;enlarge&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>&#8230;John</p>
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		<title>By: ETF FOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETF FOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Petrolonfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrolonfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 42.   Johnfruh Says: 

 
&lt;i&gt;@ 36 PetrolonFire Definition: Elucidate: to make lucid or clear; throw light upon; explain: …John &lt;/i&gt;

Thanks. Ditto to #44 Buzz Parsec &amp; seconded there. 

So ..er .. was that a &quot;real&quot; word all along then? (Blushes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 42.   Johnfruh Says: </p>
<p><i>@ 36 PetrolonFire Definition: Elucidate: to make lucid or clear; throw light upon; explain: …John </i></p>
<p>Thanks. Ditto to #44 Buzz Parsec &#038; seconded there. </p>
<p>So ..er .. was that a &#8220;real&#8221; word all along then? (Blushes.)</p>
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		<title>By: Readings &#124; HighYields.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Readings &#124; HighYields.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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