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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/26/an-anniversary-worth-celebrating/#comment-202147</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, two thumbs up to what sn said... While I support all parents making educated choices on when (if ever) they choose to vaccinate, the anti-vax movement is creating an all-or-nothing mentality with some parents and with pro-vax supporters. All involved could benefit from a safer schedule and fewer toxins being introduced at any age. It is always healthy to question what we put in our bodies, and our children&#039;s bodies. When did that become inappropriate? It&#039;s all about making informed choices based upon the individual, not blindly following a generic schedule while believing that lobbyists (pro- or anti-) are keeping your family&#039;s best interest in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, two thumbs up to what sn said&#8230; While I support all parents making educated choices on when (if ever) they choose to vaccinate, the anti-vax movement is creating an all-or-nothing mentality with some parents and with pro-vax supporters. All involved could benefit from a safer schedule and fewer toxins being introduced at any age. It is always healthy to question what we put in our bodies, and our children&#8217;s bodies. When did that become inappropriate? It&#8217;s all about making informed choices based upon the individual, not blindly following a generic schedule while believing that lobbyists (pro- or anti-) are keeping your family&#8217;s best interest in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: #6 &#8211; Happy Halloween &#171; Virtual Drinking Skeptically</title>
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		<dc:creator>#6 &#8211; Happy Halloween &#171; Virtual Drinking Skeptically</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 16:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The anniversary of the last naturally occurring incident of smallpox [Bad Astronomy Blog] [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Why You Shouldn&#8217;t Buy &#8220;Your Shape&#8221; by Ubisoft &#171; Struck by Enlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why You Shouldn&#8217;t Buy &#8220;Your Shape&#8221; by Ubisoft &#171; Struck by Enlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] product that supports someone who has taken what is probably the single greatest medical advance in history, and turned it into something that scares parents into not immunizing their [...] </description>
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		<title>By: sn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/26/an-anniversary-worth-celebrating/#comment-202144</link>
		<dc:creator>sn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to be fair, jenny mccarthy and friends are not totally anti-vaccine. they are anti toxic ingredients in vaccines (like ammonia) and also advocate a different schedule for kids&#039; vaccinations--instead of cramming every vax into the first 24 months of a child&#039;s life, spreading them out so it&#039;s easier to monitor whether the child has an adverse reaction to a particular one.

i&#039;m for vaccines--i agree that they have saved millions of lives and are among the greatest achievements of medical science. But why has the number of required vaccinations has nearly tripled in the past 25 years? I&#039;m 37, had the required vaccinations as a child, and grew up hale and hearty. Why do today&#039;s kids need so many more vaxx than I did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to be fair, jenny mccarthy and friends are not totally anti-vaccine. they are anti toxic ingredients in vaccines (like ammonia) and also advocate a different schedule for kids&#8217; vaccinations&#8211;instead of cramming every vax into the first 24 months of a child&#8217;s life, spreading them out so it&#8217;s easier to monitor whether the child has an adverse reaction to a particular one.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m for vaccines&#8211;i agree that they have saved millions of lives and are among the greatest achievements of medical science. But why has the number of required vaccinations has nearly tripled in the past 25 years? I&#8217;m 37, had the required vaccinations as a child, and grew up hale and hearty. Why do today&#8217;s kids need so many more vaxx than I did?</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/26/an-anniversary-worth-celebrating/#comment-202143</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41 said &quot;100% of vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective!&quot;

That part of my comment was addressed to him.

As for vaccine trials. Yeah I still approve of them. We&#039;re not exposing them to anymore risk than they would already see in their daily lives before a vaccine existed. It is not actively injecting someone with a disease.

Maybe you could argue there is moral hazard at play and those that believe they are vaccinated are more reckless with their health precautions.

And that rebuttal of The Atlantic article was rather long and vitriolic. I was looking for good statistics. Not a tit for tat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41 said &#8220;100% of vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective!&#8221;</p>
<p>That part of my comment was addressed to him.</p>
<p>As for vaccine trials. Yeah I still approve of them. We&#8217;re not exposing them to anymore risk than they would already see in their daily lives before a vaccine existed. It is not actively injecting someone with a disease.</p>
<p>Maybe you could argue there is moral hazard at play and those that believe they are vaccinated are more reckless with their health precautions.</p>
<p>And that rebuttal of The Atlantic article was rather long and vitriolic. I was looking for good statistics. Not a tit for tat.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephen Becker
&quot;...&lt;i&gt;What if everything you believed about vaccines was wrong?...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Apparently in your case, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen Becker<br />
&#8220;&#8230;<i>What if everything you believed about vaccines was wrong?&#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently in your case, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: tm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/26/an-anniversary-worth-celebrating/#comment-202141</link>
		<dc:creator>tm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vaccines are targeted at disease entities that have no objective existence, are without extension in time and space.&quot;

Dang, I guess we can do away with the hand sanitizers and antimicrobial soap now, eh?  I always notice how pseudoscientists like to pull vocabulary out of physics.  Granted, normally a great choice (disclosure: my degree was in physics), as Rutherford obnoxiously put it: &quot;Physics is the only true science, everything else is stamp collecting.&quot;  Sadly, antivaxxers, in the view of Rutherford (who got his Nobel in &lt;em&gt;chemistry&lt;/em&gt; much to his chagrin) would be over in the philatelic camp.

&quot;without extension in time and space&quot; indeed.  Sounds rather scientific-ky doesn&#039;t it?  Has some kind of Einsteinian ring to it, no?  As if diseases and the vaccines created to prevent them would be capable of travelling anywhere near the speed of light (3 x 10E10 meters per second, or really, really fast, or, if you&#039;re doing your physics homework: c=1).  But we all know what it means:  Nothing.  Zilch.  Nada.  Pseudoscience is full of these zero information phrases, and tend to pull their words from physics more than any other science.  Chemists and geologists may have a few cranks, but they all pale in comparison to what physicists have to put up with.  Everyone wants to be seen as the next Einstein, but not the next Pauling.

How many quacks and contemporary snake oil peddlers base their pitches on &quot;quantum&quot; something or other?  Or &quot;relativistic&quot; hoozawazit?  It&#039;s akin to the funny mish mash of &quot;engrish&quot;.  Except we kind of understand what the poor soul who was tasked to write/tranlsate the manual for our imported gadget meant to say.  We have no clue what these phonies who steal physics vocabulary are trying to say.  Well, other than &quot;trust me, it&#039;s complicated, just buy this thing I&#039;m selling.&quot;

The funny thing is that despite this appropriation of the words, pseudoscientists rarely use the true language of physics: Math.  Math that makes your head hurt and requires the use of letters that are used to sell tasty Greek cuisine.  Mmmm, greek food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vaccines are targeted at disease entities that have no objective existence, are without extension in time and space.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dang, I guess we can do away with the hand sanitizers and antimicrobial soap now, eh?  I always notice how pseudoscientists like to pull vocabulary out of physics.  Granted, normally a great choice (disclosure: my degree was in physics), as Rutherford obnoxiously put it: &#8220;Physics is the only true science, everything else is stamp collecting.&#8221;  Sadly, antivaxxers, in the view of Rutherford (who got his Nobel in <em>chemistry</em> much to his chagrin) would be over in the philatelic camp.</p>
<p>&#8220;without extension in time and space&#8221; indeed.  Sounds rather scientific-ky doesn&#8217;t it?  Has some kind of Einsteinian ring to it, no?  As if diseases and the vaccines created to prevent them would be capable of travelling anywhere near the speed of light (3 x 10E10 meters per second, or really, really fast, or, if you&#8217;re doing your physics homework: c=1).  But we all know what it means:  Nothing.  Zilch.  Nada.  Pseudoscience is full of these zero information phrases, and tend to pull their words from physics more than any other science.  Chemists and geologists may have a few cranks, but they all pale in comparison to what physicists have to put up with.  Everyone wants to be seen as the next Einstein, but not the next Pauling.</p>
<p>How many quacks and contemporary snake oil peddlers base their pitches on &#8220;quantum&#8221; something or other?  Or &#8220;relativistic&#8221; hoozawazit?  It&#8217;s akin to the funny mish mash of &#8220;engrish&#8221;.  Except we kind of understand what the poor soul who was tasked to write/tranlsate the manual for our imported gadget meant to say.  We have no clue what these phonies who steal physics vocabulary are trying to say.  Well, other than &#8220;trust me, it&#8217;s complicated, just buy this thing I&#8217;m selling.&#8221;</p>
<p>The funny thing is that despite this appropriation of the words, pseudoscientists rarely use the true language of physics: Math.  Math that makes your head hurt and requires the use of letters that are used to sell tasty Greek cuisine.  Mmmm, greek food.</p>
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		<title>By: Calli Arcale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calli Arcale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Vaccines are targeted at disease entities that have no objective existence, are without extension in time and space.&lt;/i&gt;

Then what, pray tell, is in the scanning electron micrograph at the top of this picture?

You might have been able to make your argument sound convincing a couple of centuries ago, when germs were just a theory.  Now that we&#039;ve actually seen them and have a pretty good understanding of how they physically cause disease, you&#039;ve got a lot more evidence to explain away.

Vaccinating a person against polio triggers their immune system to produce antibodies which will bind to poliovirus.  These antibodies physically prevent the virus from bonding to receptor sites on cells and gaining entry -- one could compare it to the police putting a boot on an illegally parked car, disabling the car.  We know this because it has been observed, and because the chemistry and immunology all say it will work, and because experimental evidence shows that when people are vaccinated against poliovirus, they do not develop poliomyelitis even when exposed, and mass vaccination campaigns are consistently accompanied by a dramatic decline in the number of cases (with and without comorbitities or death).

We know what poliovirus does.  We know what antibodies to polio do.  We know how to trigger the immune system to produce such antibodies.  We know that vaccines are effective at providing this trigger (because of trials in which volunteers received the vaccine and had their blood tested for proper seroconversion).

You will need to find alternate explanations for all of that if you wish to be at all convincing.

&lt;i&gt;Deaths by smallpox have been replaced by other morbidities equally conditioned by poor nutrition, lack of clean water, and lately, GMO food.&lt;/I&gt;

If this is true, why has the human population exploded in the last few decades?  Why has life expectancy increased rather than remaining static?  (Note: good food and clean water protects you from dysentery and cholera, but it doesn&#039;t protect you from smallpox.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Vaccines are targeted at disease entities that have no objective existence, are without extension in time and space.</i></p>
<p>Then what, pray tell, is in the scanning electron micrograph at the top of this picture?</p>
<p>You might have been able to make your argument sound convincing a couple of centuries ago, when germs were just a theory.  Now that we&#8217;ve actually seen them and have a pretty good understanding of how they physically cause disease, you&#8217;ve got a lot more evidence to explain away.</p>
<p>Vaccinating a person against polio triggers their immune system to produce antibodies which will bind to poliovirus.  These antibodies physically prevent the virus from bonding to receptor sites on cells and gaining entry &#8212; one could compare it to the police putting a boot on an illegally parked car, disabling the car.  We know this because it has been observed, and because the chemistry and immunology all say it will work, and because experimental evidence shows that when people are vaccinated against poliovirus, they do not develop poliomyelitis even when exposed, and mass vaccination campaigns are consistently accompanied by a dramatic decline in the number of cases (with and without comorbitities or death).</p>
<p>We know what poliovirus does.  We know what antibodies to polio do.  We know how to trigger the immune system to produce such antibodies.  We know that vaccines are effective at providing this trigger (because of trials in which volunteers received the vaccine and had their blood tested for proper seroconversion).</p>
<p>You will need to find alternate explanations for all of that if you wish to be at all convincing.</p>
<p><i>Deaths by smallpox have been replaced by other morbidities equally conditioned by poor nutrition, lack of clean water, and lately, GMO food.</i></p>
<p>If this is true, why has the human population exploded in the last few decades?  Why has life expectancy increased rather than remaining static?  (Note: good food and clean water protects you from dysentery and cholera, but it doesn&#8217;t protect you from smallpox.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if everything you believed about vaccines was wrong? Vaccines are targeted at disease entities that  have no objective existence, are without extension in time and space. Hence, diseases are a metaphysical focus for vaccine treatment.  There is no there there.

Koch was wrong. By reducing the symptom picture to the elements in common, he missed the unique qualities of each individual. Suffering is always particular. Industrial medicine is always universal.  To fit the universal into the particular, the theoretical foundation has to be created ex nihilo.

The  theoretical foundation of vaccines is a mess. Epidemiological investigation is a political and industrial tool. Any symptom can be attributed to any cause so long as it fits the prerogatives of the investigating agency. And, if the symptom appears to be caused by vaccines, then the cause is almost always a coincidence.

A change in the symptom picture is called a success for vaccines. Whereas, the death and suffering actually increases.  Deaths by smallpox have been replaced by other morbidities equally conditioned by poor nutrition, lack of clean water, and lately, GMO food.

Disabilities and death prevented by vaccines have been superseded by an epidemic of brain dysfunction, immune failure, and CNS disorders on an unprecedented scale.

Vaccines are the modern plague.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if everything you believed about vaccines was wrong? Vaccines are targeted at disease entities that  have no objective existence, are without extension in time and space. Hence, diseases are a metaphysical focus for vaccine treatment.  There is no there there.</p>
<p>Koch was wrong. By reducing the symptom picture to the elements in common, he missed the unique qualities of each individual. Suffering is always particular. Industrial medicine is always universal.  To fit the universal into the particular, the theoretical foundation has to be created ex nihilo.</p>
<p>The  theoretical foundation of vaccines is a mess. Epidemiological investigation is a political and industrial tool. Any symptom can be attributed to any cause so long as it fits the prerogatives of the investigating agency. And, if the symptom appears to be caused by vaccines, then the cause is almost always a coincidence.</p>
<p>A change in the symptom picture is called a success for vaccines. Whereas, the death and suffering actually increases.  Deaths by smallpox have been replaced by other morbidities equally conditioned by poor nutrition, lack of clean water, and lately, GMO food.</p>
<p>Disabilities and death prevented by vaccines have been superseded by an epidemic of brain dysfunction, immune failure, and CNS disorders on an unprecedented scale.</p>
<p>Vaccines are the modern plague.</p>
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		<title>By: D. C. Sessions</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. C. Sessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just breaking into labs.

The smallpox virus has been sequenced, for one.  It&#039;s quite conceivable that someone could recreate it without any stored virus at all.  In fact, that possibility is one reason for destroying the remaining sample: if we really needed to, we could replace them from bits and bytes, which are much less infectious.

Even without full-up viral synthesis, variola is only a few codons away from a common animal pathogen; that&#039;s almost certainly its origin.  Modifying that animal virus would be easier for those who don&#039;t have the means to synthesize it from scratch.

Considering some of the toxic insanity that prominent antivaxxers have spread in the past regarding the &quot;essential role&quot; that measles (for one) plays in human development, it wouldn&#039;t take much of a mutation for them to crossbreed with the &quot;Animal Rights&quot; groups.  The hybrid would strike a blow for species preservation by liberating smallpox to once again play its essential role in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just breaking into labs.</p>
<p>The smallpox virus has been sequenced, for one.  It&#8217;s quite conceivable that someone could recreate it without any stored virus at all.  In fact, that possibility is one reason for destroying the remaining sample: if we really needed to, we could replace them from bits and bytes, which are much less infectious.</p>
<p>Even without full-up viral synthesis, variola is only a few codons away from a common animal pathogen; that&#8217;s almost certainly its origin.  Modifying that animal virus would be easier for those who don&#8217;t have the means to synthesize it from scratch.</p>
<p>Considering some of the toxic insanity that prominent antivaxxers have spread in the past regarding the &#8220;essential role&#8221; that measles (for one) plays in human development, it wouldn&#8217;t take much of a mutation for them to crossbreed with the &#8220;Animal Rights&#8221; groups.  The hybrid would strike a blow for species preservation by liberating smallpox to once again play its essential role in the world.</p>
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