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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202603</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jemima (65): That is one of the most ignorant and dangerous comments I have ever had on this blog. And that&#039;s saying something.

Vaccines work. Smallpox is gone -- GONE -- not because of hygiene, but because of vaccinations. Hundreds of &lt;strong&gt;millions&lt;/strong&gt; of people&#039;s lives have been saved by vaccinations from smallpox alone, and you decide, despite incredible, overwhelming evidence, that it&#039;s sanitation that did the trick? You&#039;re completely wrong. Measles was almost gone. Polio was almost gone. All due to vaccines. And when people like you spread that kind of completely wrong information about vaccinations, and the rates go down, surprise: measles and polio make a comeback. And kids get sick, and some die.

We know that &quot;injecting yourself with a known sickness&quot; works, because that&#039;s how the body works. It&#039;s how our immune systems work.

I find it massively ironic that you sat at a computer, accessing the internet to relay your misinformation. You depend on science in every second of your life, yet deny the parts you don&#039;t like.

Reality doesn&#039;t care what you believe or disbelieve, and it doesn&#039;t pick or choose. It all works.

If you have a child with autism, then I am honestly and sincerely sorry. But we know for absolute rock-solid fact that vaccines don&#039;t cause autism. I certainly hope some other mother or father doesn&#039;t have to mourn the death of their child from pertussis because antivaxxers ignored the vast amounts of solid evidence that vaccines prevent illness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jemima (65): That is one of the most ignorant and dangerous comments I have ever had on this blog. And that&#8217;s saying something.</p>
<p>Vaccines work. Smallpox is gone &#8212; GONE &#8212; not because of hygiene, but because of vaccinations. Hundreds of <strong>millions</strong> of people&#8217;s lives have been saved by vaccinations from smallpox alone, and you decide, despite incredible, overwhelming evidence, that it&#8217;s sanitation that did the trick? You&#8217;re completely wrong. Measles was almost gone. Polio was almost gone. All due to vaccines. And when people like you spread that kind of completely wrong information about vaccinations, and the rates go down, surprise: measles and polio make a comeback. And kids get sick, and some die.</p>
<p>We know that &#8220;injecting yourself with a known sickness&#8221; works, because that&#8217;s how the body works. It&#8217;s how our immune systems work.</p>
<p>I find it massively ironic that you sat at a computer, accessing the internet to relay your misinformation. You depend on science in every second of your life, yet deny the parts you don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Reality doesn&#8217;t care what you believe or disbelieve, and it doesn&#8217;t pick or choose. It all works.</p>
<p>If you have a child with autism, then I am honestly and sincerely sorry. But we know for absolute rock-solid fact that vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism. I certainly hope some other mother or father doesn&#8217;t have to mourn the death of their child from pertussis because antivaxxers ignored the vast amounts of solid evidence that vaccines prevent illness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202602</link>
		<dc:creator>Jemima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apparently children dying isn’t enough to get these loons thrown in jail. I wonder how many children need to die before they actually take notice?

I wish people who make stupid remarks like above would have to raise a child with autism.

It is stupid to purposely inject yourself with a known sickness.

Hygiene and proper sanitation are the reasons why we no longer have the diseases we do.

What kind of dummy trusts a vaccine maker who is unwilling to take responsibility for any mistakes they make and makes their government do this for them? Toyota would NEVER get away with this.

 63.   Trent Says:  is RIGHT.

&quot;putting people’s health at risk without adequate production and safety monitoring of the vaccines is STOOPID!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently children dying isn’t enough to get these loons thrown in jail. I wonder how many children need to die before they actually take notice?</p>
<p>I wish people who make stupid remarks like above would have to raise a child with autism.</p>
<p>It is stupid to purposely inject yourself with a known sickness.</p>
<p>Hygiene and proper sanitation are the reasons why we no longer have the diseases we do.</p>
<p>What kind of dummy trusts a vaccine maker who is unwilling to take responsibility for any mistakes they make and makes their government do this for them? Toyota would NEVER get away with this.</p>
<p> 63.   Trent Says:  is RIGHT.</p>
<p>&#8220;putting people’s health at risk without adequate production and safety monitoring of the vaccines is STOOPID!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: combs1945</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202601</link>
		<dc:creator>combs1945</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a great story on the Mumps and the vaccine at
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itriagehealth.com/health-blog/largest-mumps-outbreak-since-2006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.itriagehealth.com/health-blog/largest-mumps-outbreak-since-2006&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a great story on the Mumps and the vaccine at<br />
<a href="http://www.itriagehealth.com/health-blog/largest-mumps-outbreak-since-2006" rel="nofollow">http://www.itriagehealth.com/health-blog/largest-mumps-outbreak-since-2006</a></p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202600</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to add a little more fire onto this:
&quot;1. There is no evidence based science that H1N1 vaccine prevents serious complication/death from H1N1.
2. There is no evidence based science that H1N1 vaccine prevents infection with H1N1.
3. There is no evidence based science that H1N1 vaccine is safe for fetuses.
4. There has been NO safety data released by any of the manufacturers of the H1N1 vaccine.

For that matter, there is no large randomized clinical trial on the influenza vaccine and whether it prevents death.

Marc Silberman, M.D.&quot;

The novel H1N1 vaccine being developed must adhere to guidelines set forth by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The FDA has announced that a vaccine will be accepted if it creates antibodies in 4 out of 10 recipients (40%), with at least 70 percent of those 4 achieving an antibody level believed to provide benefit. This means that an acceptable vaccine candidate would provide “protection” for 28% of vaccine recipients (70% of the 40%), or less than 3 in 10 recipients. The requirement drops to 18% efficacy for those over 65 years of age (60% of 30%).

So here are the facts, as documented by the CDC and the FDA:

As many as 3,000 Americans will be harmed by the novel H1N1 vaccine, based on past vaccine complications of 1 in 100,000, if all 300,000,000 people were vaccinated in the USA. BTW 1 in 100,000 is much higher a chance of dying than just going all natural at 1 and 15,000,000 for the whole world.

The vaccine may be ineffective in more than 7 out of 10 recipients.

And in case you think I am alone in my concerns, here is what several vaccine experts associated with the CDC and the U.S. government say on the subject.

“I am very skeptical of finishing vaccine before we know the appropriate dose to be included in each inoculation, before immunogenicity studies are complete, or before safety assessments have been finished,” William Schaffner, MD, Chairman of the Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University and a member of the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), wrote in an recent e-mail.

“We have assured both the profession and the public that the H1N1 vaccine will be evaluated with the same rigor that is applied to seasonal vaccine. We should NOT make vaccine available before the trials are complete and the results carefully assessed.”

Others are worried about a repeat of the last swine flu “pandemic,” now regarded as a public health and public relations debacle.

“I fear that a rush towards vaccinating the population without completing trials risks leading to the harmful outcome that we witnessed during the 1976 swine flu scare, where the government advocated rapid production and vaccination of the population without adequate safeguards, which led to an unexplained increase in cases of Guillain Barré syndrome (GBS), amongst other complications, and massive liability for the government,” wrote Amir Afkhami, MD, PhD, of George Washington University, an international expert on the 1918 Influenza pandemic and an advisor to the U.S. State Department, the U.S. military, and the World Bank on issues pertaining to infectious diseases, public health and, mental health.

“I think in this regard, we must learn from lessons of the past and be mindful of not jumping from the proverbial frying pan into the fire by putting people’s health at risk without adequate production and safety monitoring of the vaccines.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to add a little more fire onto this:<br />
&#8220;1. There is no evidence based science that H1N1 vaccine prevents serious complication/death from H1N1.<br />
2. There is no evidence based science that H1N1 vaccine prevents infection with H1N1.<br />
3. There is no evidence based science that H1N1 vaccine is safe for fetuses.<br />
4. There has been NO safety data released by any of the manufacturers of the H1N1 vaccine.</p>
<p>For that matter, there is no large randomized clinical trial on the influenza vaccine and whether it prevents death.</p>
<p>Marc Silberman, M.D.&#8221;</p>
<p>The novel H1N1 vaccine being developed must adhere to guidelines set forth by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The FDA has announced that a vaccine will be accepted if it creates antibodies in 4 out of 10 recipients (40%), with at least 70 percent of those 4 achieving an antibody level believed to provide benefit. This means that an acceptable vaccine candidate would provide “protection” for 28% of vaccine recipients (70% of the 40%), or less than 3 in 10 recipients. The requirement drops to 18% efficacy for those over 65 years of age (60% of 30%).</p>
<p>So here are the facts, as documented by the CDC and the FDA:</p>
<p>As many as 3,000 Americans will be harmed by the novel H1N1 vaccine, based on past vaccine complications of 1 in 100,000, if all 300,000,000 people were vaccinated in the USA. BTW 1 in 100,000 is much higher a chance of dying than just going all natural at 1 and 15,000,000 for the whole world.</p>
<p>The vaccine may be ineffective in more than 7 out of 10 recipients.</p>
<p>And in case you think I am alone in my concerns, here is what several vaccine experts associated with the CDC and the U.S. government say on the subject.</p>
<p>“I am very skeptical of finishing vaccine before we know the appropriate dose to be included in each inoculation, before immunogenicity studies are complete, or before safety assessments have been finished,” William Schaffner, MD, Chairman of the Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University and a member of the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), wrote in an recent e-mail.</p>
<p>“We have assured both the profession and the public that the H1N1 vaccine will be evaluated with the same rigor that is applied to seasonal vaccine. We should NOT make vaccine available before the trials are complete and the results carefully assessed.”</p>
<p>Others are worried about a repeat of the last swine flu “pandemic,” now regarded as a public health and public relations debacle.</p>
<p>“I fear that a rush towards vaccinating the population without completing trials risks leading to the harmful outcome that we witnessed during the 1976 swine flu scare, where the government advocated rapid production and vaccination of the population without adequate safeguards, which led to an unexplained increase in cases of Guillain Barré syndrome (GBS), amongst other complications, and massive liability for the government,” wrote Amir Afkhami, MD, PhD, of George Washington University, an international expert on the 1918 Influenza pandemic and an advisor to the U.S. State Department, the U.S. military, and the World Bank on issues pertaining to infectious diseases, public health and, mental health.</p>
<p>“I think in this regard, we must learn from lessons of the past and be mindful of not jumping from the proverbial frying pan into the fire by putting people’s health at risk without adequate production and safety monitoring of the vaccines.”</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202599</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chris:
I got it from the WHO&#039;s website here http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_06/en/index.html my stats are a bit dated, new stats are listed there, we are up to 6,000 deaths now. I&#039;m also not saying high risk groups should not be vaccinated like pregnant women. I&#039;m just making fun of the would be &quot;I saw the billboard, and it told me I needed one&quot; people.

Shane:
21,000,000 people in australia, 186 deaths, a 1 to 112903 chance of dying. Not bad, quite a bit worse than the world average. Wonder why?

Mike:
I&#039;m making a point, more poeple die from over the counter pain meds in just the US than this. What this means is if you get a flu shot, you should never take an asprin. Get it? And no I don&#039;t becasue it is untested, especially in the long term. Why risk that unknown just for being sick?

Phil:
I&#039;m not talking about doctors making money, I&#039;m talking about the pharm industry making money. Too different things. Who do you think pays for all those fancy billboards and TV commercials?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/29/business/AP-EU-Britain-Earns-AstraZeneca.html

My point guys, think outside the box, I thought you did that here? Are you independent thinkers or followers? Using statistics on chances of death, getting vaccinated with a long term untested altered virus in a perfectly healthy individual, on the chance you may get sick and have an almost near 0 chance of dying, is not independent thinking. Thats following what the pharm companies wish you to think.

Once again I bring you to the simple stat I love to use. In the USA ALONE there are 7800 deaths per yr in over the counter pain meds, in the world, I would bet this is in the hundereds of thousands. Yet where are the billboards for this, are you getting where I&#039;m going here people? On precription meds, my god the stats climb astronomically higher.

My point is H1N1 is HYPE, you wouldn&#039;t know it existed if the media didn&#039;t pick it up, just like you didn&#039;t know hundreds of thousands died from OC pain meds around the world until you seek that info out on your own.

I am suprised I got no one agreeing with me on this, I though with the stats, this is a no brainer.

I have to clear something up with this last post from me, I&#039;m NOT anti-vaccine, I&#039;m just anti-sucker. Many vaccines have great need, but just know when you&#039;re getting taken for a ride. And lastly High risk groups, kids/pregnant, should get H1N1 vaccine. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chris:<br />
I got it from the WHO&#8217;s website here <a href="http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_06/en/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_06/en/index.html</a> my stats are a bit dated, new stats are listed there, we are up to 6,000 deaths now. I&#8217;m also not saying high risk groups should not be vaccinated like pregnant women. I&#8217;m just making fun of the would be &#8220;I saw the billboard, and it told me I needed one&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Shane:<br />
21,000,000 people in australia, 186 deaths, a 1 to 112903 chance of dying. Not bad, quite a bit worse than the world average. Wonder why?</p>
<p>Mike:<br />
I&#8217;m making a point, more poeple die from over the counter pain meds in just the US than this. What this means is if you get a flu shot, you should never take an asprin. Get it? And no I don&#8217;t becasue it is untested, especially in the long term. Why risk that unknown just for being sick?</p>
<p>Phil:<br />
I&#8217;m not talking about doctors making money, I&#8217;m talking about the pharm industry making money. Too different things. Who do you think pays for all those fancy billboards and TV commercials?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/29/business/AP-EU-Britain-Earns-AstraZeneca.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/29/business/AP-EU-Britain-Earns-AstraZeneca.html</a></p>
<p>My point guys, think outside the box, I thought you did that here? Are you independent thinkers or followers? Using statistics on chances of death, getting vaccinated with a long term untested altered virus in a perfectly healthy individual, on the chance you may get sick and have an almost near 0 chance of dying, is not independent thinking. Thats following what the pharm companies wish you to think.</p>
<p>Once again I bring you to the simple stat I love to use. In the USA ALONE there are 7800 deaths per yr in over the counter pain meds, in the world, I would bet this is in the hundereds of thousands. Yet where are the billboards for this, are you getting where I&#8217;m going here people? On precription meds, my god the stats climb astronomically higher.</p>
<p>My point is H1N1 is HYPE, you wouldn&#8217;t know it existed if the media didn&#8217;t pick it up, just like you didn&#8217;t know hundreds of thousands died from OC pain meds around the world until you seek that info out on your own.</p>
<p>I am suprised I got no one agreeing with me on this, I though with the stats, this is a no brainer.</p>
<p>I have to clear something up with this last post from me, I&#8217;m NOT anti-vaccine, I&#8217;m just anti-sucker. Many vaccines have great need, but just know when you&#8217;re getting taken for a ride. And lastly High risk groups, kids/pregnant, should get H1N1 vaccine. </p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202598</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cin (#60): Yikes! He was vaccinated against mumps specifically? I know vaccines aren&#039;t 100%, but something like that must be very rare. I&#039;m very sorry about that. I hope he&#039;s OK.

The source of the mumps there is indeed worrisome. I hope your doctor is contacting the appropriate people. I actually don&#039;t know the protocol; should he call the CDC? Any doctors here? I&#039;m curious now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cin (#60): Yikes! He was vaccinated against mumps specifically? I know vaccines aren&#8217;t 100%, but something like that must be very rare. I&#8217;m very sorry about that. I hope he&#8217;s OK.</p>
<p>The source of the mumps there is indeed worrisome. I hope your doctor is contacting the appropriate people. I actually don&#8217;t know the protocol; should he call the CDC? Any doctors here? I&#8217;m curious now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202597</link>
		<dc:creator>Cin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I googled &quot;mumps&quot; and wound up here.  Why am I googling &quot;mumps?&quot;  My 14 year old vaccinated Son was diagnosed yesterday. The only response I have gotten from people is the equivalent of &quot;WTF?&quot;  Which is very similar to what I said to the doctor. We are in Michigan and not likely to have been affected by the New York Brit. So how the heck did we get it?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled &#8220;mumps&#8221; and wound up here.  Why am I googling &#8220;mumps?&#8221;  My 14 year old vaccinated Son was diagnosed yesterday. The only response I have gotten from people is the equivalent of &#8220;WTF?&#8221;  Which is very similar to what I said to the doctor. We are in Michigan and not likely to have been affected by the New York Brit. So how the heck did we get it?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Offit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202596</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Offit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The horror of puffy cheeks. And we thought the miracle of vaccination had spared future generations the millions of mumps deaths our parent&#039;s generation had to endure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The horror of puffy cheeks. And we thought the miracle of vaccination had spared future generations the millions of mumps deaths our parent&#8217;s generation had to endure</p>
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		<title>By: A response to some vaccination concerns &#171; More Ramblings from a Los Angeles Programmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202595</link>
		<dc:creator>A response to some vaccination concerns &#171; More Ramblings from a Los Angeles Programmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently linked to a Bad Astronomy article &#8220;thanking&#8221; anti-vaxxers in a tounge-in-cheek sort of way. I actually didn&#8217;t expect much of a response but it did [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently linked to a Bad Astronomy article &#8220;thanking&#8221; anti-vaxxers in a tounge-in-cheek sort of way. I actually didn&#8217;t expect much of a response but it did [...] </p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/30/mumps-the-word/#comment-202594</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s the harm for believing in psuedo science alt med junk?

check out http://whatstheharm.net to see some stories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s the harm for believing in psuedo science alt med junk?</p>
<p>check out <a href="http://whatstheharm.net" rel="nofollow">http://whatstheharm.net</a> to see some stories&#8230;</p>
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