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	<title>Comments on: A Halloween bag full of Dum Dums</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Ordinary Radical</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/31/a-nutbag-on-a-bag-of-nuts/comment-page-3/#comment-224227</link>
		<dc:creator>Ordinary Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not denying the pagan origins of Halloween, and the disputed date of Christmas, but the date and celebratory reasons for Easter are firmly rooted in Christanity. The date for Easter is linked to the Jewish holiday of Passover, as the Gospels clearly describe when the crucifixion and resurrection occured in relation to the Jewish celebration. Certain pagan symbols of spring and renewal came to be used during Easter, and there might have been pagan holidays celebrated during the spring, but there was no co-opting of them for Easter. 

Additionally, Kimberly Daniels represents all Christians as much as Yusuf al-Qaradawi reresents all Muslims or Richard Hoagland represents all scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not denying the pagan origins of Halloween, and the disputed date of Christmas, but the date and celebratory reasons for Easter are firmly rooted in Christanity. The date for Easter is linked to the Jewish holiday of Passover, as the Gospels clearly describe when the crucifixion and resurrection occured in relation to the Jewish celebration. Certain pagan symbols of spring and renewal came to be used during Easter, and there might have been pagan holidays celebrated during the spring, but there was no co-opting of them for Easter. </p>
<p>Additionally, Kimberly Daniels represents all Christians as much as Yusuf al-Qaradawi reresents all Muslims or Richard Hoagland represents all scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Charly</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/31/a-nutbag-on-a-bag-of-nuts/comment-page-3/#comment-224201</link>
		<dc:creator>Charly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jack - you are correct.  I knew it was either the day before or the day after.  Anyhow.....October 31st is &quot;All Hallows Eve&quot; condensed to Halloween.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jack &#8211; you are correct.  I knew it was either the day before or the day after.  Anyhow&#8230;..October 31st is &#8220;All Hallows Eve&#8221; condensed to Halloween.</p>
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		<title>By: sketchy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/31/a-nutbag-on-a-bag-of-nuts/comment-page-3/#comment-224143</link>
		<dc:creator>sketchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They pulled the url from CBN&#039;s website - here is the google cache - 

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:tpp4ipDgs2IJ:www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx+http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They pulled the url from CBN&#8217;s website &#8211; here is the google cache &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:tpp4ipDgs2IJ:www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx+http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=us&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:tpp4ipDgs2IJ:www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx+http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=us&#038;client=firefox-a</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/31/a-nutbag-on-a-bag-of-nuts/comment-page-3/#comment-224122</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>123.   Charly Says: &quot;Actually, November 1st is “All Saints Day” and October 31st is “All Souls Day” in the Catholic religion.&quot;

When I went to parochial school (something I will actually admit to), November 2nd was All Souls. Your description of the meaning was correct, but according to the nuns in our school it was the &quot;civilian&quot; version of &quot;All Saints.&quot;

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>123.   Charly Says: &#8220;Actually, November 1st is “All Saints Day” and October 31st is “All Souls Day” in the Catholic religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I went to parochial school (something I will actually admit to), November 2nd was All Souls. Your description of the meaning was correct, but according to the nuns in our school it was the &#8220;civilian&#8221; version of &#8220;All Saints.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Robertson, Ms. Daniels and their ilk may go on living in her evidence-free world, asserting whatever they want. 

But like Hitchens likes to put it: What is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Robertson, Ms. Daniels and their ilk may go on living in her evidence-free world, asserting whatever they want. </p>
<p>But like Hitchens likes to put it: What is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Charly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, November 1st is &quot;All Saints Day&quot; and October 31st is &quot;All Souls Day&quot; in the Catholic religion.  When I taught Jr High school Sunday school, we actually went over some of the &quot;traditions&quot; and discussed where they came from (yes, Samhain) and how the Church turned them into Church holidays - yes, again, to turn the Pagan holidays into religious holidays.  It is actually a common practice of a conquering society to take over the holidays of the conquered and turn them into legitimate ones of the new society.  This practice helps the conquered assimilate into the new society and helps them identify with the new order.  

All Souls Day is a time to remember those of our families and friends who have departed. It falls on Halloween, but is not in anyway associated with Holloween.  However, the Catholic Church does not condemn Halloween celebrations, in fact, every church I have attended usually has a Halloween party or carnival for kids.  Can&#039;t we just have fun for fun&#039;s sake?

I really didn&#039;t realize that I have been eating demonized candy!!! I thought tasted a little different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, November 1st is &#8220;All Saints Day&#8221; and October 31st is &#8220;All Souls Day&#8221; in the Catholic religion.  When I taught Jr High school Sunday school, we actually went over some of the &#8220;traditions&#8221; and discussed where they came from (yes, Samhain) and how the Church turned them into Church holidays &#8211; yes, again, to turn the Pagan holidays into religious holidays.  It is actually a common practice of a conquering society to take over the holidays of the conquered and turn them into legitimate ones of the new society.  This practice helps the conquered assimilate into the new society and helps them identify with the new order.  </p>
<p>All Souls Day is a time to remember those of our families and friends who have departed. It falls on Halloween, but is not in anyway associated with Holloween.  However, the Catholic Church does not condemn Halloween celebrations, in fact, every church I have attended usually has a Halloween party or carnival for kids.  Can&#8217;t we just have fun for fun&#8217;s sake?</p>
<p>I really didn&#8217;t realize that I have been eating demonized candy!!! I thought tasted a little different.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Schrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Comments Policy: &quot;Don’t go attacking other people&quot;

From the blog: &quot;Certainly Pat Robertson has done so much damage in his lifetime that he gets no pass at all from me. My thoughts on him are clear and public (for example, he is &#039;bigoted, small-minded zealot who will say anything to appeal to his base&#039;).&quot;

Phil, can you edit your blog post to bring it into compliance with your own Comments Policy?  There is so much wrong with what Pat Robertson has said over the years that you really don&#039;t have to call him bigoted or small-minded to see that his world view must be questioned, especially when you try to tell others not to do such things.  Be the leader here and show us by example how to debate without ad homs.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Comments Policy: &#8220;Don’t go attacking other people&#8221;</p>
<p>From the blog: &#8220;Certainly Pat Robertson has done so much damage in his lifetime that he gets no pass at all from me. My thoughts on him are clear and public (for example, he is &#8216;bigoted, small-minded zealot who will say anything to appeal to his base&#8217;).&#8221;</p>
<p>Phil, can you edit your blog post to bring it into compliance with your own Comments Policy?  There is so much wrong with what Pat Robertson has said over the years that you really don&#8217;t have to call him bigoted or small-minded to see that his world view must be questioned, especially when you try to tell others not to do such things.  Be the leader here and show us by example how to debate without ad homs.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>117.   George Martin Says: 

Thanks George. I actually meant 1977. Sheesh, I thought I&#039;d re-read the posting, then THAT error crept in. Good thing we have accountability here. Must be some scientists in the crowd.LOL

GAry 7
PS.  Dr. Wolfgang Rindler (diff.eq.instructor) was considered one of the top ten experts in the world in the Theory of (General)Relativity at the time. He was teaching at the Univ. of Texas in Richardson, Texas. A really Superb teacher. Wish I&#039;d had a few more like him. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>117.   George Martin Says: </p>
<p>Thanks George. I actually meant 1977. Sheesh, I thought I&#8217;d re-read the posting, then THAT error crept in. Good thing we have accountability here. Must be some scientists in the crowd.LOL</p>
<p>GAry 7<br />
PS.  Dr. Wolfgang Rindler (diff.eq.instructor) was considered one of the top ten experts in the world in the Theory of (General)Relativity at the time. He was teaching at the Univ. of Texas in Richardson, Texas. A really Superb teacher. Wish I&#8217;d had a few more like him.</p>
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		<title>By: whb03</title>
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		<dc:creator>whb03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY! Attacking lunacy is one thing, quite a legitimate thing as a matter of fact - can&#039;t possibly have enough smackdown on pat robertson. But &quot;CBN is run by a TI 99-4a computer...&quot; - really! My first computer was a TI99-4A, received as an 8th-grade graduation gift, and it was awsome! For about three weeks, until they discontinued it... Ah yes, that stainless-steel-clad TI-994A - rather appropriate, kinda like the DeLorean of the PC world, all it was lacking was the gullwing doors... 

And now back to the show. Which, apparently, is even being denounced as &quot;controversial&quot; by CBN itself at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/prophetic-insight/23723-the-danger-of-celebrating-halloween&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/prophetic-insight/23723-the-danger-of-celebrating-halloween&lt;/a&gt;. 

badreligion - having a badday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY! Attacking lunacy is one thing, quite a legitimate thing as a matter of fact &#8211; can&#8217;t possibly have enough smackdown on pat robertson. But &#8220;CBN is run by a TI 99-4a computer&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; really! My first computer was a TI99-4A, received as an 8th-grade graduation gift, and it was awsome! For about three weeks, until they discontinued it&#8230; Ah yes, that stainless-steel-clad TI-994A &#8211; rather appropriate, kinda like the DeLorean of the PC world, all it was lacking was the gullwing doors&#8230; </p>
<p>And now back to the show. Which, apparently, is even being denounced as &#8220;controversial&#8221; by CBN itself at <a href="http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/prophetic-insight/23723-the-danger-of-celebrating-halloween" rel="nofollow">http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/prophetic-insight/23723-the-danger-of-celebrating-halloween</a>. </p>
<p>badreligion &#8211; having a badday?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way late on this one, but @ozprof

You throw this editorial about how Halloween is a pagan holiday with evil spirits and such, but that article, and you yourself, fails to acknowledge the pagan cultural roots of Christmas and Easter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way late on this one, but @ozprof</p>
<p>You throw this editorial about how Halloween is a pagan holiday with evil spirits and such, but that article, and you yourself, fails to acknowledge the pagan cultural roots of Christmas and Easter.</p>
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		<title>By: Col</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do not need to mock religious beliefs when they do such a good job of it themselves. Yet again you can not ridicule enough,  something so obviously ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do not need to mock religious beliefs when they do such a good job of it themselves. Yet again you can not ridicule enough,  something so obviously ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: George Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary @98 said:
&lt;i&gt;Way back in 1997 I took a TI 30 scientific calculator to my Differential equations class &lt;/i&gt;
I guess that was a transposition of digits and and 1979 was meant. But even 1979 seems to be rather late in the game. I bought my HP45 is 1974. A couple of years later HP was selling programmable calculators, the 55 and 65. Was the TI 30 programmable? It&#039;s sort of mind boggling  that a differential equations instructor was impressed by a scientific calculator in 1979.

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary @98 said:<br />
<i>Way back in 1997 I took a TI 30 scientific calculator to my Differential equations class </i><br />
I guess that was a transposition of digits and and 1979 was meant. But even 1979 seems to be rather late in the game. I bought my HP45 is 1974. A couple of years later HP was selling programmable calculators, the 55 and 65. Was the TI 30 programmable? It&#8217;s sort of mind boggling  that a differential equations instructor was impressed by a scientific calculator in 1979.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - don&#039;t harsh on TI-994/A&#039;s - I used to have two of those - that was the first computer my family owned and between programming goofy games and playing &quot;Parsec&quot;, I have fond memories of that computer.  Feel free to compare CBNs site to something run by a Timex Sinclair or something - those were junk! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; don&#8217;t harsh on TI-994/A&#8217;s &#8211; I used to have two of those &#8211; that was the first computer my family owned and between programming goofy games and playing &#8220;Parsec&#8221;, I have fond memories of that computer.  Feel free to compare CBNs site to something run by a Timex Sinclair or something &#8211; those were junk! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GaryM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice of Hershey&#039;s to provide full employment for witches.</description>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lawrence
&lt;i&gt;87. Sean – the original Bible quote was “Thou shalt not suffer a well-poisoner to live” (which makes a lot of sense in the original context &amp; geography of the region). It was changed in the King James version to give the ability to go after “women of means” and confiscate their property once they had been accused of witchcraft.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure where you get the well-poisoner bit from. A number of sites I looked up all have the root hebrew word meaning essentially a female spell caster. Every English translation of the Bible uses the the word witch or sorceress or woman who practices magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lawrence<br />
<i>87. Sean – the original Bible quote was “Thou shalt not suffer a well-poisoner to live” (which makes a lot of sense in the original context &#038; geography of the region). It was changed in the King James version to give the ability to go after “women of means” and confiscate their property once they had been accused of witchcraft.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you get the well-poisoner bit from. A number of sites I looked up all have the root hebrew word meaning essentially a female spell caster. Every English translation of the Bible uses the the word witch or sorceress or woman who practices magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Storms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Storms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Robertson vs. Larry Flynt debating about prostitution on radio show. 
http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/10/30/pat-robertson-admits-using-a-prostitute-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Robertson vs. Larry Flynt debating about prostitution on radio show.<br />
<a href="http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/10/30/pat-robertson-admits-using-a-prostitute-" rel="nofollow">http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/10/30/pat-robertson-admits-using-a-prostitute-</a></p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Thomas Siefert (#101),

Oh, you poor boy! :-)</description>
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<p>Oh, you poor boy! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/31/a-nutbag-on-a-bag-of-nuts/comment-page-3/#comment-223919</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>91.   Flying sardines Says: &quot;... that gives me an idea for next years Halloween costume – go as a devil possessed Pat Robertson!&quot;

I read that at first as &quot;a devil possessed BY Pat Robertson&quot;  which would be pretty funny.

&quot;Halloween is meant to *discourage* vandalism? Wuhhh!? &quot;

As others have pointed out, it was an appeasement thing to keep jerks from acting as jerks. As with anything with a definable economic metric, if you pay for something, you get more of it. Once it became institutionalized extortion, it filtered down to the younger set where it currently resides, while the older jerks still occasionally display their true nature.

BTW, I&#039;ve always wondered which came first, Halloween or All Saints Day. Obviously the name “All Hallows Eve” was coined after All Hallows (Saints) Day, but was the establishment of ASD a reaction to a pagan celebration that was already going on, or did the idea of spirits rising to roam the earth one day a year come as a kind of spiritual blowout before a day deemed so holy (sort of like Marti Gras before Lent)?

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>91.   Flying sardines Says: &#8220;&#8230; that gives me an idea for next years Halloween costume – go as a devil possessed Pat Robertson!&#8221;</p>
<p>I read that at first as &#8220;a devil possessed BY Pat Robertson&#8221;  which would be pretty funny.</p>
<p>&#8220;Halloween is meant to *discourage* vandalism? Wuhhh!? &#8221;</p>
<p>As others have pointed out, it was an appeasement thing to keep jerks from acting as jerks. As with anything with a definable economic metric, if you pay for something, you get more of it. Once it became institutionalized extortion, it filtered down to the younger set where it currently resides, while the older jerks still occasionally display their true nature.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;ve always wondered which came first, Halloween or All Saints Day. Obviously the name “All Hallows Eve” was coined after All Hallows (Saints) Day, but was the establishment of ASD a reaction to a pagan celebration that was already going on, or did the idea of spirits rising to roam the earth one day a year come as a kind of spiritual blowout before a day deemed so holy (sort of like Marti Gras before Lent)?</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Calli Arcale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calli Arcale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s not that Christianity is “safe” to mock. It’s just that Christianity produces far more mockable idiots than any other religion in the world.&lt;/i&gt;

I think it&#039;s more accurate to say that Christianity produces far more mockable idiots &lt;i&gt;in the English-speaking world&lt;/I&gt;.  In Saudi Arabia, Islam produces more.  In India, Hinduism dominates.  In Israel, there are Jewish mockable idiots.  Hard to say what religion dominates among the mockable idiots of China, between its official atheism, its own government-sanctioned idiocy, and the general repression of non-government-sponsored press, but it&#039;s probably Confuscian.

I think the religious demographics of mockable idiots tends to reflect the demographics of the population as a whole.  This is because idiocy is not a feature of religion alone, but of humanity.  (Religion is merely a reflection of human nature.)  Unfortunately, this means idiocy is very hard to get rid of; you can&#039;t get rid of it simply by eliminating religion, for instance, as has been demonstrated time and again through the centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s not that Christianity is “safe” to mock. It’s just that Christianity produces far more mockable idiots than any other religion in the world.</i></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more accurate to say that Christianity produces far more mockable idiots <i>in the English-speaking world</i>.  In Saudi Arabia, Islam produces more.  In India, Hinduism dominates.  In Israel, there are Jewish mockable idiots.  Hard to say what religion dominates among the mockable idiots of China, between its official atheism, its own government-sanctioned idiocy, and the general repression of non-government-sponsored press, but it&#8217;s probably Confuscian.</p>
<p>I think the religious demographics of mockable idiots tends to reflect the demographics of the population as a whole.  This is because idiocy is not a feature of religion alone, but of humanity.  (Religion is merely a reflection of human nature.)  Unfortunately, this means idiocy is very hard to get rid of; you can&#8217;t get rid of it simply by eliminating religion, for instance, as has been demonstrated time and again through the centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: wildride</title>
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		<dc:creator>wildride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Flying sardines Yep -- To combat vandalism.  Despite some people continuing to use Hallowe&#039;en as an excuse to be a jerk, it was far worse back then because that&#039;s all they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Flying sardines Yep &#8212; To combat vandalism.  Despite some people continuing to use Hallowe&#8217;en as an excuse to be a jerk, it was far worse back then because that&#8217;s all they did.</p>
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		<title>By: wildride</title>
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		<dc:creator>wildride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ozprof The article linked is exactly the thing I was talking about: People continuing to believe the stuff they made up to slander someone because they&#039;ve forgotten what was true and what was made up.  That article has no relationship whatsoever with the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ozprof The article linked is exactly the thing I was talking about: People continuing to believe the stuff they made up to slander someone because they&#8217;ve forgotten what was true and what was made up.  That article has no relationship whatsoever with the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: JimB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Chris:
Also just happens to occur at the same time, sort of, as Samhain&lt;/blockquote

No.  It didn&#039;t just happen.  No better way to co-opt a pagan holiday than to move an existing holiday to the day you want to suppress.

Originally, Christians observed All Saints&#039; Day on May 13. But in the eighth century, Pope Gregory III moved it to November 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Chris:<br />
Also just happens to occur at the same time, sort of, as Samhain</blockquote</p>
<p>No.  It didn&#8217;t just happen.  No better way to co-opt a pagan holiday than to move an existing holiday to the day you want to suppress.</p>
<p>Originally, Christians observed All Saints&#8217; Day on May 13. But in the eighth century, Pope Gregory III moved it to November 1.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: I'd rather be  fishin'</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'd rather be  fishin'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Paradox (#104) posted a comment with the question: Is Canada’s Science Minister a creationist?

The answer is MUCH worse than just &#039;maybe&#039; for the following reasons:
1. he is a politician
2. he is a conservative and a Conservative
3. he is a Chiropractor

In lieu of flowers and sympathy cards, keep up the fight against the Merchants of Woo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Paradox (#104) posted a comment with the question: Is Canada’s Science Minister a creationist?</p>
<p>The answer is MUCH worse than just &#8216;maybe&#8217; for the following reasons:<br />
1. he is a politician<br />
2. he is a conservative and a Conservative<br />
3. he is a Chiropractor</p>
<p>In lieu of flowers and sympathy cards, keep up the fight against the Merchants of Woo</p>
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		<title>By: toasterhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;75.   badreligion Says:
October 31st, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Wake me up when Phil takes on any world religion other than Christianity… so safe to mock.&lt;/i&gt;
________________

It&#039;s not that Christianity is &quot;safe&quot; to mock.  It&#039;s just that Christianity produces far more mockable idiots than any other religion in the world.  THAT&#039;s who&#039;s being mocked.  Not Christianity, but the idiots who gleefully misunderstand it.  

Islam produces its share of mockables, too.  Like the Saudi cleric who declared a fatwa that all young women should be compelled to breastfeed adult men - he was comic fodder in the Saudi press for a good long while.  There&#039;s even a comedy tour of Muslim comedians who mock the mockable in their cultures.  

But they don&#039;t hold a candle to Christians.  When Muslims or Hindus build an anti-science science museum, then maybe we can start calling it a fair contest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>75.   badreligion Says:<br />
October 31st, 2009 at 9:28 pm</p>
<p>Wake me up when Phil takes on any world religion other than Christianity… so safe to mock.</i><br />
________________</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that Christianity is &#8220;safe&#8221; to mock.  It&#8217;s just that Christianity produces far more mockable idiots than any other religion in the world.  THAT&#8217;s who&#8217;s being mocked.  Not Christianity, but the idiots who gleefully misunderstand it.  </p>
<p>Islam produces its share of mockables, too.  Like the Saudi cleric who declared a fatwa that all young women should be compelled to breastfeed adult men &#8211; he was comic fodder in the Saudi press for a good long while.  There&#8217;s even a comedy tour of Muslim comedians who mock the mockable in their cultures.  </p>
<p>But they don&#8217;t hold a candle to Christians.  When Muslims or Hindus build an anti-science science museum, then maybe we can start calling it a fair contest.</p>
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		<title>By: John Paradox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/31/a-nutbag-on-a-bag-of-nuts/comment-page-3/#comment-223890</link>
		<dc:creator>John Paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;92.   Mark Hansen Says:

Petrolonfire, I recall it (vaguely) but I also remember criticism of the attempts by some Muslims to stop vaccinations on the grounds that it’s a infidel/atheist/Christian plot to sterilise Muslims. But I guess you can wake me up when badreligion starts checking his/her facts… so safe to just make assumptions.
&lt;/I&gt;

Doing a quick search on the Google Reader (RSS feed for BA), I find the following from &#039;Muslim&#039;:

Is Canada’s Science Minister a creationist?
 Mar 17, 2009 8:24 AM

Creationists infect Europe
 Dec 23, 2008 12:12 PM

Mecca lecca no, Part 2
 Apr 24, 2008 12:06 PM

Fundamentalists say the silliest things!
 Feb 18, 2008 10:29 PM

Religion, asteroid, doomsday… and a dose of reality
 Oct 23, 2007 8:27 PM

Why fighting antiscience is important
 Apr 12, 2007 10:15 AM

Fundamentalism is bad for your health: Muslim edition  *****
 Feb 1, 2007 2:18 PM
I believe this may be the one you mention, I haven&#039;t read them all (at least not since soon after they were posted)

J/P=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>92.   Mark Hansen Says:</p>
<p>Petrolonfire, I recall it (vaguely) but I also remember criticism of the attempts by some Muslims to stop vaccinations on the grounds that it’s a infidel/atheist/Christian plot to sterilise Muslims. But I guess you can wake me up when badreligion starts checking his/her facts… so safe to just make assumptions.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Doing a quick search on the Google Reader (RSS feed for BA), I find the following from &#8216;Muslim&#8217;:</p>
<p>Is Canada’s Science Minister a creationist?<br />
 Mar 17, 2009 8:24 AM</p>
<p>Creationists infect Europe<br />
 Dec 23, 2008 12:12 PM</p>
<p>Mecca lecca no, Part 2<br />
 Apr 24, 2008 12:06 PM</p>
<p>Fundamentalists say the silliest things!<br />
 Feb 18, 2008 10:29 PM</p>
<p>Religion, asteroid, doomsday… and a dose of reality<br />
 Oct 23, 2007 8:27 PM</p>
<p>Why fighting antiscience is important<br />
 Apr 12, 2007 10:15 AM</p>
<p>Fundamentalism is bad for your health: Muslim edition  *****<br />
 Feb 1, 2007 2:18 PM<br />
I believe this may be the one you mention, I haven&#8217;t read them all (at least not since soon after they were posted)</p>
<p>J/P=?</p>
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