Koran verses "appear" on baby in Russia

By Phil Plait | November 3, 2009 10:30 am

In Russia, thousands of Muslims are flocking to see a baby who has verses from the Koran mysteriously appearing on his body:

I’d like to be very clear here: this is not pareidolia, our ability to see patterns in random objects. The verses are clearly there, and not just random. As one pilgrim said, "It’s proof that Allah exists, that he is all-mighty…"

koranbabyHowever — and perhaps this is just me here — it seems far more likely that instead of an actual miracle, someone is maybe, y’know, writing the verses on the baby. The mother says the baby is cranky when the words appear, which (if she’s being truthful) you might expect if someone is scraping or otherwise irritating the baby’s skin to make the words appear. I’ll note that the words fade with time, too, just as expected if this is a fraud.

If this whole thing is a fake (and the JREF has a million dollars on the line to say something about that) then I don’t know what’s worse: the parents or whoever is behind this doing this to the baby, or the crowd who simply believes it.

Oh, wait! I know what’s worse: the reporter who did this story and the editor who approved it not injecting one single shred of skepticism into the report. There was no journalism here, no investigation. This was simple stenography, the credulous retelling of what is almost 100% guaranteed to be a hoax at best and a scam at worst. Not to mention child abuse.

People sometimes ask me what it’s like to be a skeptic all the time. Maybe I should simply answer, “nauseated.”

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Comments (125)

  1. Erik in SD

    The stupid! It burns!

  2. Brian

    Looks like it could be henna… Hope so. That would at least be no harm to the baby.

  3. Speaker2a

    I suspect the baby will be floating away in a balloon soon.

  4. Peptron

    Seems to me to be the result of an irritant on the skin. Putting something like a weak solvant on skin should make those red marks appear after a minute or so, to then disapear if the solvant used was not too strong.

    EDIT: Like somebody said, I think it is proof that sometimes, the stupid really does burn.

  5. The only mystery here is why people are falling for this… Oh wait, that really isn’t a mystery these days.

  6. Poor baby. That must have hurt. Child abusing frauds.

  7. @Erik in SD,

    Yes, but this time it’s burning that poor baby.

  8. Giandeau

    Your detractors might consider you nauseous, but I think you meant “nauseated”.

  9. Michelle R

    Ah yes. I saw that on FSTDT a while ago.

    Damn. Where are the child services?

  10. IBY

    @Peptron
    Damn, that is just child abuse.

  11. Daniel J. Andrews

    One would like to think that if this happened in North America, the authorities would be investigating possible child abuse. One would like to think that anyway….siighhhh.

  12. PaleGreenPantsWithNobodyInsideThem

    @TechyDad

    Well, it’s the baby’s fault for being born Muslim and finding favour with Allah.

  13. That’s not a ‘kid’, that’s a “Kindle”

    /snark

    J/P=?

  14. Mike

    [fry]That proves it![/fry]

  15. IVAN3MAN AT LARGE

    I’ll wager that somebody is exposing that baby’s leg to ultraviolet (B) light, from a sunlamp, through a stencil with those Koran verses on it.

    P.S. Every Englishman knows that your skin goes bright red when exposed to too much sunlight.

  16. Anti-Dentite

    What’s most depressing about stuff like this is the seeming desire to focus theism on petty magic tricks and tangible miracles rather than grand achievements like creating the universe, keeping track of all the hairs on human heads, and preventing the Cubs from winning the World Series. It’s one thing to see stuff like this as neat, but it’s quite damaging to offer this kind of stuff up as proof. The God of the Koran and Bible can make every atom in the universe collapse or disappear, making some burn marks on toast isn’t really that impressive.

    And I’m not normally a stickler like this, but nauseous means you make people sick. Nauseated means others make you sick. I don’t think you were looking to imply that being a skeptic all the time makes those around you feel queasy.

  17. It does look like the kid might have urticarial dermographism, also known as ’skin writing’. Essentially, the skin is so easily irritated that rubbing any blunt object on it can cause the reddened, irritated skin to blemish up like this. It’s even consistent with the mother’s claims that the writings disappear and reappear (or are written on again) every few days.

    We covered the story in a little detail on the Righteous Indignation podcast, I took the liberty of writing it up in fact:
    http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2009/10/skeptics-baffled-by-yet-another-lame-doctors-baffled-story/

  18. Douglas Troy

    That poor, poor child.

    :'(

  19. lol i have one question, what do those verses say and have they said why those “appear” on human skin? fine. 2 questions ^__^. thanks!

  20. Laura

    I read about this maybe a couple of weeks ago when it popped up on the AOL homepage. It’s so hard to believe that no one yet has said or done anything to catch these “parents” ( I use the term loosely because while they may be the parents, they certainly are not parenting) in this hoax.

    I was really really hoping to have seen some positive follow up on this by now. This kind of stupid really does burn.

    And #13 Anti-Dentite:
    While I’m sure Phil was going for nauseating, I’m willing to bet he is equally nauseous.. to people who live in some lala land where they can physically harm their children for their own benefit, and then have to answer to skeptics like Phil!

  21. mike burkhart

    This looks like a tatoo to me if it disappereds later it could be foodcoloring used on the skin some companies make tempory tatoos that use food coloring that wash off in water these are pouplar with the kids I had a few when I was a kid

  22. ndt

    Laura says:

    It’s so hard to believe that no one yet has said or done anything to catch these “parents” ( I use the term loosely because while they may be the parents, they certainly are not parenting) in this hoax.

    This is happening in Chechnya IIRC. Chechnya is still a bombed-out pile of rubble and barely has a functioning government. The people who live there are probably too busy trying not to starve to death to try to expose a hoax.

  23. Tariq

    They’ve reacted way to quickly to this. I’m Muslim, and I think this is a hoax. I mean we don’t need proof other than those given to us in the Qur’an. And for something like this, the words of a few people without any real verification is meaningless – They shouldn’t be trickling out bits of information like this. I mean with the right tools and time I could do something like this … except for the actual infliction of pain to a baby.

    So I hope to God this is a miracle, as its disgusting to think someone could do this to a child

  24. Gary

    @ #8

    I worry that some Christian fundies will try to upstage Allah by placing Biblical verses on an infant. Not wanting to be outdone they will do something like putting it on some twins with Old Testament stuff on one and New Testament on the other.

    #14 Well I would not expect it to turn up on the skin of a little piglet.

  25. In Russia, Koran writes you!

    This is awful! This is a case of child abuse, pure and simple! Maybe someone needs to take this bitch out and scrape words onto her body!

  26. Jeff in Tucson

    Coincidentally, physics equations often appear miraculously on MY arm on the day of an exam…

  27. gruebait

    John Freshwater is such an amateur.

  28. John

    Phil, I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with you more about anything ever.

    I’m hoping that’s a henna (Mendhi) tattoo as used in asia, it’s painless, and eventually washes off.

  29. 14. Mike H Says:
    November 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
    lol i have one question, what do those verses say and have they said why those “appear” on human skin? fine. 2 questions ^__^. thanks!

    I really think God would have better handwriting than this. It’s very difficult to make out the letters on the photo of the leg, but I’m seeing:
    لو تعلمون ما أعلم ليسكتم عليلاًء لبكيتم

    Which means something like “If you want to know what I know, [something unintelligible], to weep.” Some of the constructions look really weird, as if whoever created this miracle accidentally transposed a few letters. And the fact that the two-dot letters like ت and ي are represented with dots instead of the usual shorthand slash indicates to me that whoever made this is really not very familiar with the language, and was essentially just copying patterns.

    The “Allah” one in the still photo above is a bit more impressive, with all the diacritical marks in the right places, but could easily be replicated by anyone with the album cover of Youssou N’Dour’s “Egypt”.

    Not all that impressed by this miracle, but they do get style points for putting it on a baby instead of a grilled-cheese sandwich or something.

  30. Chet Twarog

    You know, I’m an Atheist because there are no gods. Guaranteed!
    However, so many get away with this stuff, millions, because if an/a “Allah/Yahweh/Satan/Vishnu, etc” actually existed, they wouldn’t, ever!

  31. Scott

    This is the kind of abuse one can expect from religious nutters.

  32. addicted to bad

    What if the random periodic table element symbols appeared on the baby’s skin?
    Poor kid.

  33. Gus Snarp

    @Anti-Dentite: According to Merriam Webster’s dictionary:

    1 : causing nausea or disgust : nauseating
    2 : affected with nausea or disgust
    — nau·seous·ly adverb
    — nau·seous·ness noun
    usage Those who insist that nauseous can properly be used only in sense 1 and that in sense 2 it is an error for nauseated are mistaken. Current evidence shows these facts: nauseous is most frequently used to mean physically affected with nausea, usually after a linking verb such as feel or become; figurative use is quite a bit less frequent. Use of nauseous in sense 1 is much more often figurative than literal, and this use appears to be losing ground to nauseating. Nauseated is used more widely than nauseous in sense 2.

  34. Sarah

    I hope I am contributing something meaninful, since Dr Plait has mentioned maybe the baby was scraped-

    Perhaps it’s dermographism? It’s hives (uticaria) after being rubbed by something like fingertips or a dull object and there’s a release of histamine which causes irritated skin.
    You can read more here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatographic_urticaria

    I myself was diagnosed as a baby and it didn’t carry into late childhood and adulthood, but this may be the case for him too :) so there may be “pious fraud” involved. Someone is probably writing it onto him using a fingertip or something dull and there was a release of histamine which caused hives… Since she says she’s tried everything I wonder if she’s tried my favorite remedy: benadryl in pill form or cream. It’s wonderful relief for terrible hives

  35. 26. addicted to bad Says:
    November 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    What if the random periodic table element symbols appeared on the baby’s skin?

    Now THAT would be totally boss. It’d be concrete proof that chemistry exists.

  36. Sunny Ng

    There is a follow up story to this, but it’s not good news.

    Wahabis promise to burn down the house of the baby with Koran sayings on his skin
    http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=6581

    Wahabis have repeatedly threatened to burn down the house of Shamil and Madina Yakubovs from the Dagestan village of Krasnooktyabrskoye, after phrases from the Koran began appearing on the body of their nine-month-old son.

    “They found it only unnatural that Allah showed his signs through a boy born in a family of a police officer! Wahabis consider us kafirun (the unbelievers – IF),” Magomed-Kadyr, the boy’s grandfather said as quoted by Komsomolskaya Pravda daily on Monday.

    According to him, their house was approached by a Gazel car in broad daylight, which brought a group of armed Wahabis. They demanded to show them the baby. Then they left threatening to come back. After that, Said Murtazaliyev, head of the district, provided them with a group of six security guards.

    I think arrakis’s comment on Unreasonable Faith is spot on:

    “I think they’re in a lose-lose situation…if they admit that it is a hoax, all those thousands of people could possibly turn on them in return for their being duped. Or the Wahabis would have even more reason to attack them for blasphemy.”

  37. Laura

    Hi ndt,

    Yeah, the fact that the place is a mess I’m sure does not help at all. I mean.. you don’t have a solid government in place to take legal action and the people are probably desperate for a sign of things getting better, some hope.

    It still bothers me that hordes of people rush to see a baby with markings on it and don’t seem to question the validity of it.. at all. I’m not a religious person but I’d like to think that if someone said my god was performing miracles, I’d want to make sure they weren’t duping me. Especially when there is another human, a baby, involved.

    Also, where I first read the story, AOL news, the writer does not make a single skeptical remark. It’s just “Miracle baby has Koran writings that appear and vanish” Not even a slight hint of, hey… maybe something else might be causing this. It’s so upsetting.

    Blech. Sorry I’m starting to ramble incoherently a bit there. This story really bugs me and there’s just no good excuse for it.

  38. @Anti-Dentite,

    About: “The God of the Koran and Bible can make every atom in the universe collapse or disappear, making some burn marks on toast isn’t really that impressive.”

    I was thinking about this. Suppose for a second you were an omnipotent deity who has lived for billions of years. You’d probably get pretty bored. Now you find (for the religious read as “create”) a group of intelligent life forms. Perhaps you first try to improve them by giving them some moral laws. Then they take those laws and kill each other over them. So now you give up on improving them and just decide to amuse yourself with them. Appearing on toast here, creating some baby-writing there, etc. All designed (might I say “intelligently designed?” ;-) ) to maximize your own amusement…. I’m sure there’s a sci-fi/fantasy story in there somewhere!

  39. @#21: I find it even MORE miraculous that AOL still exists.

  40. twilightened

    I think these people are really very clever. I mean, how easy could it be to make money in this economical crisis. Here is your answer.

  41. @Laura,

    About: “I’m not a religious person but I’d like to think that if someone said my god was performing miracles, I’d want to make sure they weren’t duping me. Especially when there is another human, a baby, involved.”

    I’ve been around very religious types. The thinking goes something like this: If the miracle reaffirms that what you already believe in is true, then the miracle is proof that your faith is correct. If the miracle contradicts what you believe in, then the miracle is a hoax.

    So a Christian Fundamentalist wouldn’t accept Baby Koran as being a real miracle and would probably be right alongside us questioning just how these writings got on the baby. However, show that same Christian Fundamentalist a piece of Jesus Toast and they’ll fall over themselves to make a pilgrimage to see the holy wheat bread. After all, if Koran Baby is real, it disproves elements of their faith. However, if Jesus Toast is real, it proves elements of their faith to be truth.

  42. GMoney

    It’s obviously fake, if God was writing on some baby, he would write verses from the Bible on him instead, how gullible some people are.

  43. @TechyDad,

    I was just about to type up nearly exactly that reply, but instead went looking over at ROFLRazzi due to Dr. Plaits latest posting…

    Yeah, what TechyDad said.

  44. ennui

    I’ll start paying closer attention to claims about gods and miracles when the limbs of amputees start growing back.

  45. Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked the spelling of these versus? It would be highly amusing if it turned out “Allah” can’t spell.

  46. Tim G

    I just so happen to have the hives at the moment. It’s not particularly pleasant, I can tell you. I hope this baby isn’t experiencing similar discomfort.

  47. Al

    um, that would be nauseated, nauseous means that you are the cause of the nausea.

  48. the old rang

    I don’t understand the complaint by the author…

    ” I know what’s worse: the reporter who did this story and the editor who approved it not injecting one single shred of skepticism into the report. There was no journalism here, no investigation. ”

    By current journalism standards, none of that is required. From the old rusty battle wagon, to all is out of wedlock siblings (NYT et all)…

    Investigation is not something. You just make up a story, and defy the one you are lying about to prove a negative.

    As to the baby, I have serious doubts,

    As to the ‘journalistic’ practices… I quit reading papers years ago, because, Journalism died years ago.

  49. Laura

    @ Larian and TechyDad

    Now if only they’d pay attention to when the FSM appears in my lunch and says to not write on babies. Sigh.

  50. the old rang

    I don’t understand the complaint by the author…

    ” I know what’s worse: the reporter who did this story and the editor who approved it not injecting one single shred of skepticism into the report. There was no journalism here, no investigation. ”

    By current journalism standards, none of that is required. From the old rusty wagon, to all its out of wedlock siblings (NYT et all)…

    Investigation is not something they do much of anymore.. They just make up a story or read a radical unsubstantiated blog, or the DNC talking points and defy the one they are lying about to prove a negative.

    As to the baby, I have serious doubts, and feel sorry for it.

    As to the ‘journalistic’ practices… I quit reading papers years ago, because, Journalism died years ago. Finding the truth, is not easy in the MHM.

  51. nerd

    weak concentrations of silver nitrate will cause markings to appear on the skin when exposed to a UV source. neat party trick to write on people who pass out, since they wont see it in the mirror, until they go outside.

  52. youarekiddingme

    Um this looks like Henna, You put it on the skin and let it sit for a few hours wash it off and it leaves a brown stain for a few days up to 2 weeks. It is very apparent that this is what it is. It is very cheap to buy and easy to use. You can even see brush strokes of someone’s handwriting. If God had wanted to imprint the child, why is it messy and all jumbled up at the end cuz the leg wasn’t long enough? Can’t anyone in Russia figure this out? I bet a million bux if they took the kid away from the parents these “miraculous” writings would disappear post haste.

  53. For those commenting on my use of the word nauseous, it means causing or having nausea. So my usage was fine. Nauseated is unambiguous, though, so I changed it.

  54. Annalee Flower Horne

    TechyDad @42

    While you’re right about reactions to cognitive dissonance in general, there are plenty of “very religious types” that are against child abuse, staring at the sun, and worshiping toast no matter what the trappings are. Not all skeptics are atheists.

  55. Foxfyre

    I can’t believe this is being reported as fact with no trace of skepticism. I hope there is a relatively harmless method behind this, like the henna suggestion above.

    @TechyDad

    You might enjoy Philip José Farmer’s “World of Tiers” series.

  56. Quiet Desperation

    Which means something like “If you want to know what I know, [something unintelligible], to weep.”

    I saw a better picture. It says “If you want to know what I know, go to the “Making Riches While Working At Home” web site and start rolling in money today!”

    Huh. Allah is spamming us.

  57. Charlie Young

    Those darn Grammar Nazis!

  58. I also suspect dermographism. I’ve “suffered” it myself (though it isn’t really painful at all).

    While henna might seem like a possible choice, it takes too long to fade from what I know. You couldn’t have the same body part covered over with a new verse within a week. A friend recently used some on her fingernails and the stain persisted until the nail grew off. It does the same thing to hair too. Skin might regenerate faster than either of those things, and maybe baby skin especially, but I still think henna stains for too long. This site claims normal henna tattoos last 1-4 weeks. I suppose it isn’t totally implausible.

  59. BOB

    im not surprised that people are believing this. after all, there are billions that believe that BS about jesus coming back from the dead. one story is no more or less believable than the other.

  60. Earl

    Next we’ll find out for $19.95 you can see them in person.

  61. SleepsWithCats

    It MUST be fake, for two reasons:

    1. It’s not in English.
    2. It’s not from the Bible.

  62. Azam

    For something that God/Allah supposedly wrote, the calligraphy sure sucks! I know actual people who have much neater hand writing! Why is he trying to communicate with us in a language that less than 1/6th of the people on this planet understand. Why not be more obvious like..BAM! here I am! look at me! …Allah sure works in mysterious ways..

  63. Chet Twarog

    #45 ennui Says: “I’ll start paying closer attention to claims about gods and miracles when the limbs of amputees start growing back.”
    Wouldn’t prove either gods or miracles. Advances in medical technology utulizing the “regrowth” factors from amphibians and reptiles, perhaps?
    A god actually showing up to everyone or an extraterrestrial exploration spacecraft finally entering the solar system, orbiting Earth, and meeting with us. Something real, substantial, scientifically and logically testable.
    Otherwise, imaginary!!

  64. Those are not Arabic letters; they are marks from lashings dealt by FSM’s noodley appendages

  65. Brian Macker

    I wonder if someone wrote 1+1=3 on a baby whether they would count that as evidence of its truth.

    The Qur’an is obviously false if you’ve ever read it.

  66. @Annalee Flower Horne,

    I’m actually one of those religious types. I’ve made no effort to hide the fact that I’m a practicing Jew. The “very religious types” I meant were people who go from religious to fundamentalist. The rabbi at one temple I attended for awhile would regularly give sermons in which he criticized science for not knowing anything and praised the Torah for containing the answers to all questions. He’s one of those who think that the world began 6,000 years ago. (The only reason I stayed there as long as I did was because my parents were members and I was living at home at the time.)

  67. Stephen

    Hi Phil,

    Long time follower, first time commenter,

    Just finished reading ‘God Is Not Great’ by Christopher Hitchens. I too felt nauseated by this.

    Love the site, thanks for the blog, keep it up

    Stephen

  68. Nemo

    @Anti-Dentite:

    The God of the Koran and Bible can make every atom in the universe collapse or disappear

    Nah, the God of the Bible can barely handle a 6000-year-old Earth. The Universe as we now know it to be is way beyond his scope.

    @TechyDad:

    Perhaps you first try to improve them by giving them some moral laws.

    This is where your story idea kind of flounders. I mean, have you ever read the supposed moral laws of the Bible? They are in no way an improvement over the natural morality humans already possessed. Even the ancients could do much better at codifying morality, and they frequently did, with no pretense to divine inspiration.

  69. If the story is that thousands are flocking to see the baby, that would appear to be true. And that IS the story.

  70. 39. TechyDad Says:
    I was thinking about this. Suppose for a second you were an omnipotent deity who has lived for billions of years. You’d probably get pretty bored. Now you find (for the religious read as “create”) a group of intelligent life forms. Perhaps you first try to improve them by giving them some moral laws. Then they take those laws and kill each other over them. So now you give up on improving them and just decide to amuse yourself with them. Appearing on toast here, creating some baby-writing there, etc. All designed (might I say “intelligently designed?” ;-) ) to maximize your own amusement…. I’m sure there’s a sci-fi/fantasy story in there somewhere!

    I have a game (I’m not a ‘gamer’ BTW) called Black And White, where you are a ‘god’ who can choose to be ‘good’ or ‘evil’, and have a creature (select from three IIRC.. haven’t played it in a long time) that you can train to be good/evil as well. I’ve done both the Benevolent God and Evil Demon parts, and had myself a good time.
    I should get the disc out and get back into playing some of the saved games…

    Oh, and a second on “World of Tiers” as Foxfyre suggests.

    J/P=?

  71. CAIR, the Council of American-Islamic Relationships, should sue to oblivion all you nay-sayers of Islam.

    You know Infidels are always wrong and that Sharia law is inevitable as all that is Muslim collectively works upon western-culture-guilt plus, as the Muslims get would up and finally start out-birthing the invading barbarian horde from the south Muslims will, by spewing spawn left and right, out-birth western culture bearers until Islam controls all.

    Bow down to your Muslim masters now and make it easy upon yourselves.

    The West has NO right for a homeland.

    Western culture has no right to exist.

    Bow down to your masters as the politically correct enlightened crowd has already done so.

  72. Hugo Zorilla

    Heh, heh.
    Stupid sheeple.
    Everyone knows that Muslims don’t exist.
    The real name for them is ‘terrorist’.

  73. H.M.

    Interesting comments here and all but I don’t think anyone here has mentioned the fact that the baby had coronary heart disease and cerebral palsy before these supposed ‘abnormalities’ began to occur. Once they did both illnesses were apparently healed. Has anyone else besides me noticed this?

    I myself am a devout Muslim(just hold your pitchforks for a second people, no I am not a ‘stupid creationist’) but I wouldn’t just immediately say this was Allah’s doing. I will be honest though. I do hope to God that this story turns out to be real. I am a bit ticked off at the fact that not many follow ups or close video scans have been done to prove this ‘abnormality’.

    If this ends up as ‘Balloon Boy’ fiasco part 2 then, I will definitely stop listening to what the media spews out even though I haven’t really cared much over the last few years.

    And Obbop….um what? Wonderful sarcasm there. Go learn about the religion before talking. Thanks.

    Just thought I would throw my $0.02 in there.

    An interesting read indeed. We are all inclined to skepticism.

  74. Obbop, I do not care if you are real or predenter. Answer is same in both cases. We do not like your kind here.

    For me, both religious fundies and xenophobic whackos (my bet for Obbop) can go to Hell. Metaphorically, of course, as literal Hell does not exist.

  75. JB of Brisbane

    @MaDeR – Don’t feed the trolls.

  76. Ishan

    It proves that: REALLY,really the almighty ALLAH exists .

  77. Damon

    Wow. Child abuse FTW.

  78. Kevin F.

    When it’s debunked no one will curse the perpetrator – they’ll just scan the papers for the next “Miracle”.

  79. StevoR

    Well there goes the idea that the BA only ever attacks Christian woo. ;-)

  80. davem

    BA: “If this whole thing is a fake ”

    Er, why the ‘If’? It’s a fake, obviously. You don’t even need to consider the alternative.

  81. Ted

    @Speaker2a #3: Credulous journalism? Heck no! You said, umm, that it was, umm, for the show.

  82. @Nemo,

    “They are in no way an improvement over the natural morality humans already possessed.”

    You mean the cultures that had human sacrifices or were raiding villages to kill the men and rape the women? I’m not going to pretend that Judeo-Christian religion is perfect in any way, but I don’t think that “natural morality” that humans had a few thousand years ago was much better either. Let’s face it, we’re a pretty blood-thirsty group and it is only recently in the scheme of things that we’ve managed to tame our baser instincts. I think that religion (though too often used as an excuse for vicious behavior) played an important historical role in this.

    This isn’t to say that people who don’t have religion aren’t moral or anything ridiculous like that. Just that ancient people weren’t all wise and peace loving folks who were somehow turned blood-thirsty by religion.

  83. @StevoR,

    Let’s see. He’s attacked Christian woo and Muslim woo. Where’s the Jewish woo?! I demand equal time! ;-)

  84. Why don’t we bring the baby to a laboratory and do some experiments to see whether the verses keep “appearing”? Then again, this kid has been through enough as it is.

  85. Wow, they should totally put that kid up for sale on eBay. It would look great right next to my Jesus toast.

  86. dart

    please dont use a baby for your lies! if you want to promote your religion, do it in a proper way. not just getting everybody’s attention and use a baby as your tool. this is insane!

  87. toasterhead

    85. TechyDad Says:
    November 4th, 2009 at 7:56 am

    You mean the cultures that had human sacrifices or were raiding villages to kill the men and rape the women? I’m not going to pretend that Judeo-Christian religion is perfect in any way, but I don’t think that “natural morality” that humans had a few thousand years ago was much better either. Let’s face it, we’re a pretty blood-thirsty group and it is only recently in the scheme of things that we’ve managed to tame our baser instincts. I think that religion (though too often used as an excuse for vicious behavior) played an important historical role in this.
    ____________

    I can’t say I find much difference between the human sacrifice/rape-and-pillage raids of ancient cultures and the human sacrifice/rape-and-pillage raids of our modern society. Sure, the technology’s changed – we use electric chairs and lethal injections for our human sacrifices, and scaled up our rape-and-pillage raids from villages to entire countries. But those baser instincts are still there – we just do these things on a larger scale nowadays.

    Not that that, in itself, isn’t a feat. It certainly is. It demonstrates that we’ve turned a small-group primate into a large-group primate, and are able to recognize fellow human beings who we’re not related to and/or grooming with as part of our in-group, and thus not kill them. That’s a huge departure from our chimp cousins. It means that we domesticated ourselves. I will agree that religion did play a role in our self-domestication, but I do wonder just how much of a role.

    I believe the capacity for religious belief is hardwired into our brains, and is part of the same mechanism that allows for all types of abstract thought. The same process that allows us to ponder the speed of light or the existence of a creator allows us to look at a sharp rock and see it as a spear or a plow. It’s because of that ability that we were able to figure out agriculture and begin settling down and dividing labor.

    Religion, then, would be the way we began to distinguish our in-group from any other in-group. It was based in our river and our mountain and our land and our magic ball of fire that crept across the sky every day. And so we began to develop philosophies around our land and magic ball of fire – if we do x, then our crops will grow. If we do y, then the magic ball of fire will reappear tomorrow morning. Group z does neither x nor y, therefore we are better than group z. This proto-religion was a product of our abstract thinking ability, but then served to reinforce our abstract thinking ability.

    All that human sacrifice and raping and pillaging probably helped too. The groups that were better abstract thinkers got to spread their genes around by raping the women and killing the men of the inferior groups. And through human sacrifice we got rid of the members of our own in-groups who weren’t quite “it-getters.” Do this for a few hundred generations and you end up with a much tamer primate with some really big in-groups.

    Granted, this is just back-of-the napkin anthropology gleaned from a few books on human origins and a lot of Radiolab episodes – I welcome any neuroscientists, geneticists, theologians, or anthropologists to correct me if I’m totally off-base.

  88. Quiet Desperation

    Once they did both illnesses were apparently healed.

    [citation needed]

  89. Magna

    My “mom” did this to me when I was a baby. It’s not funny …. well … okay it is but just ’cause it didn’t happen to me this time. I ended up in foster care and am currently planning revenge against all who caused me pain. Happy hunting, kids!

  90. Chris A.

    @Kevin F.:

    “When it’s debunked no one will curse the perpetrator – they’ll just scan the papers for the next ‘Miracle’.”

    At the risk of being too incongruous, I say “amen, brother.”

    It’s the lack of accountability that allows hucksters to keep on peddling their tripe to a clientèle that seems only too happy to shell out for more.

    Example: “Faith healing” televangelist Peter Popoff, despite having been exposed as a fraud on The Tonight Show in 1986, continues to rake in millions of dollars every year from gullible rubes.

    How do we hold these vermin accountable?

  91. stephanie

    lol speaker2a! (#3) that comment totally made my evening :)

  92. Justin

    I want to photoshop a baby too!

  93. ayjay

    About: “The God of the Koran and Bible can make every atom in the universe collapse or disappear, making some burn marks on toast isn’t really that impressive.”

    I’m surprised that even this event isn’t really that impressive… we are still having a long conversation about this here..

    The story has been spread all over the world in papers, websites, videos, emails etc.

    A lot of discussions have been done every where around the globe..

    How impressive!!?..

  94. I am now going to demonstrate my tremendous psychic abilities.

    The Diety is going to start scribbling on all manner of things in the coming months. More babies, some trees and rocks, definitely food items, highway overpasses, you name it. Many of these ghost writings will be biblical passages, but others, just like crop circles, will be symbols and complex designs. When there are messages they will carry the tone of “Repent!” and “The end of the world is nigh!” and “Obey me!” A few will be exposed as frauds but the writers will claim that their God drove them to it and they were only conveying his holy message.

    Yep, that’s my prediction. You heard it here first.

    Hmm.. Now I’m feeling the urge to go write this on something…

  95. Honey1488

    Some of you were talking a bit about “our”baser instincts and then Chris A. asked “How do we hold these vermin acountable?”, I say we induldge some of our more base instincts and just f*#+ing kill em all1(child abusing religious nut jobs and all the idiot “sheeple” who give them the attention they seek…er,wait,that would leave like what,25 people on the entire planet?:) P.S @foundonmars: I 2nd that, and I think you SHOULD write that somewhere(the front of the building that produced that”story” maybe?P.P.S FTW

  96. jhonthe1

    islam is the true religon

  97. ikram not a Muslim scholar

    if we think Koran on the baby is Hoax; ……..

    To start with; we including this universe was created out of nothing, we did not exist until God (Allah as i bellieve) created us; and only Allah knows when; and if we think Darwins got it all figured we got another thinking coming.

    Next; we and the whole universe belongs to Allah, No one. i repeat no one has any say in what happens, who gets what, who doesnt. If God decides to perish all good people including the most praised prophets and angels, they or we do not have any claims to complain.

    Third; for those who thinks if therez a God nothing bad will happen in this universe; Allah has not willed himself to act a referee for whats going on here; on the other hand he has decreed a one certain day when he will be the judge, and justice will be served fully. Along this line; in our lives here Allah has granted us free will to do what ever pleases us with in our reach, as test, to prove our worth based on our deeds on that certain day.

    Fourth; those who doesnt want to believe and deny the right path will not accept even if we put the sun in his hands. We dont want to let go of things our heart desires in this world.

    Fifth, why doesnt Allah prove his existance?? well; that happens and every one will believe without doubt. but the test is in believing without seeing, based on the creations; and Koran.

    Sixth; If we think Koran is false; we should prove why we say that; on the other hand, there are proof in Koran itself that even a modern man couldn deny.
    these are just a few things related to todays technology. As i am not a muslim scholar i regret i cannot give all and details.

    example 1. a verse in Koran mentions about a microspic insect on the head of the Mosquito.
    example 2 Koran says the mountains serves as fixining to hold the earth together.
    example 3 Koran points at the significance of our finger tip; translation namely ” .. if you think you will never be resurrected after you die; Allah will bring u back the same way u were even to the tip of ur fingers…”

    Seventh; Deny death;

    So if we think Koran on the baby is Hoax; may be it is, but it still doesnt disprove Quran to be the final and true revelation. and in that book Allahh says man will not change it to suit their desires. and it has not for 1400 plus years and i am sure it will remain that way untilAllah wills to take the revelation away.

    It is said(not in Koran) on the day when Allah is the Judge; Three groups of peoplewill get a second chance. first group being those who never heard about Islam, Allah and Koran; second group being the deaf and a third group ”
    ( possibly the people who live on the fringe of survival, with no thought but to survive, throught out their life).

    We do not fit in any of these groups.

    It is revealed (in Koran) On the day when Allah is the Judge, when the people who denied see the Hellfire (and when Allah wills all the animals to turn to dust) they will wish they will become dust as well.

  98. Occam

    The credulity and ignorance of these people is astonishing. I sometimes think there is no real future for humanity

  99. 786Nasrat

    lolzz..you know i red like half of the comments in this page and i can say two things from this that ppl reli do jump to conclusions..i havent red all the reports about this situation but when i saw it in youtube it was just another normal thing for me..as a muslim you ppl might say im biased,blind,evil, terrorist, violent E.T.C. i mean b4 this, the news showed the story about the baloon baby. before they found out no1 was der, looking at the baloon i new there was no baby der becuase you cud tell der was nufin there, nufin was moving in the ballon. the baloon was to light to carry a baby n be in the air same time, n so mani ppl believ that..
    i can undrestand if people see this as a child abuse or some next illness but i hope all of you examin or looked at every possible report about this baby..its easy to come up with remarks like that..but if its illness how come the body temperatur go up so high, there are other symptoms that are not related to the illness you ppl put forward.
    for me this is just normal like i said becuase looking at my self and how a human being funtion or do things is more miracle than anything in the face of earth..
    you telling me 20000 thousand ppl goes and see it every time and none of them notice its just ink, its disease, doctors examin it aswel or r u sayin every single one of dose ppl r blind,consumed by devil (satan) or der just poor and hungry ppl who just thought well why not since we been in soo much agony n pain becuase of our situation.
    what i am trying to say to ppl who just draw conclusion and come up with arrogant commment or act reli smart is plz think b4 u say sumfin, luk at every aspect, dnt just judge thing becaue of other situation or personal beliefs..judge things individualy and according to what u read, see and undrestand.

    im not trying to disrespect or be rude to anyone but you all gave ur opinion which i agree with some and disagree with some..just think when u say sumfin thats why god has given as brain and knlwdge so we can tell the difference between wat is wright and wrong..there are a lot of reason this cud be miracle and some which can indicate it cant be. unless we r preofessional in dat field, well expert ppl on that type of field den we can undrestand ur comments bt f ur not den dnt make arrogant comments about the religon. on the family yes but on the religon please keep it to urself.. thank you

  100. Ramzy,Katugastota

    it is no matter wether it is true or not, islam is not consider about miracales and islam considers only about knowledge. When people asked about miracles given to Muhammed(sal)- he said, my miracle is the book of quran.
    (quran means the knowledge. islaam did not spread in the world by showing miracles like othe religions. The base of islam is knowledge. So if u want to knw abt Islam read the quran n try 2 undrstnd its message.

  101. GQ

    So many of the last few comments are unreadable nonsense. From bad typing, terrible grammar, ZOMGLOLTXTSPK, all the way up to ” I don’t really understand it but I’m assured it’s true” religious meanderings…

    That child is being abused. The writing on its body does NOT come from any kind of higher power.

  102. Jeff

    I find it hard to believe that the types of people who will watch this video on Reuters will blindly believe it to be factual. They obviously don’t need someone to take them by the hand and show them truth from lies because they are, you know, grown up….

  103. David

    “lolzz..you know i red like half of the comments in this page and i can say two things from this that ppl reli do jump to conclusions..”

    I agree. Just because some writing appears on a baby’s skin doesn’t mean thousands should flock to see it and immediately attribute it to divine intervention.

  104. Adbul Hamid

    Its pure sign of God showed for us that there is a creator powerful then every other
    Self-made gods. We should respect Allah (J) and obtain his order, this event is clearly make known for existing of Allah (J) in the world.

  105. Abdoelah

    If you want to believe that the verses are true you may and if you don’t you may as well. But understand that the truth is much bigger than the verses you see on this baby. The truth is in your body as well. Think about this..and use your intellect that is inside of you. Think about the purpose of your body, your whole being and the whole universe. But do not stop thinking until you got a satisfied answer. Ask yourself whether you really want to know the truth? Would you like to know the truth if it would tell you to do things you don’t like and to forbid you things you really love? And if it would takeaway a big part of your personal freedom…. Would you still what to know the real truth???

  106. makwan

    iam very happy by this baby,i think as a liberal muslim ,this baby is a gentelman of this world ,and sent by God ,,,,,,,,,i think this is a great thing in this world ,people must be know and think that what is the great and right religion of this world ……God helps every body

  107. Wow I missed this story… terrifying stuff (including some of these comments).

  108. Mike

    (personally don’t believe in a creator, hello mammal family!)

    If there is/was a creator it would be my belief that we would have been nothing but a shelved experiment from a bored omnipotent being. Possibly a failed one at that. A creator would have to have come from SOMEWHERE. Perhaps a far more evolved being that’s species started out like we did, but millions ( billions? ) of years before we popped up.

    Perhaps the last of its kind – and lonely, using the last bit of energy to speed up evolution to make beings like he/she/it used to be, on a world far from home, before dissipating into the universe.

    I should really write this up as a short story…

  109. baby quran in the skin

  110. this was real don’t think that this is not real so u have to belive this and say mashallah so don’t say that this isn’t true lets make doa for him and read quran for him and don’t think is funny lets tell another people to go to this website and learn more about this kid with quran on his body thank you. by mahmud

  111. Muslimrose

    Its true what Allah swt say in the quran: In the name of the benificient the mercifull:Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
    Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allahs Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.
    Sadak allah al3azim.

  112. I agree with Muslimrose. This is a miracle and of course with all the Muslim bashing that is occurring in today’s day and age, no one wants to believe that this is in fact happening and no Parent could subject their child to torture. This baby is special and as for all you disbelievers,
    you are just a bunch of sad, pathetic losers. Islam is the only true religion and you know that deep down in your hearts, that is why you are fear it. The Prophet Mohammed Peace and blessings be upon him is the only Prophet whose existence is confirmed by history, the rest is hearsay. So all you jealous cynics, carry on and you will meet your Creator, ALLAH and then it will be too late for you to repent.

  113. Brother

    It it was a hoax, it would come on TV. With no doubt, the baby was expermanted many times until they proofed that it is a true miracle.
    whether u like it or not there is God and Islam is the last religion. To all infedels(Who believe in No God), you only blame yourself when you are thrown in hell that its Fuel is people and ROCKS as mentioned in the Quran.
    It is your choise, an ever lasting Paradise or an ever lasting Hell.

  114. The only mystery here is why people are falling for this… Oh wait, that really isn’t a mystery these days.

    I really enjoyed this article. You have very good blog with good quality recordings. Thanks for the article.

  115. subhankhan

    frnz
    just leave the babyn look all around you the creatuures the universe the systamis systems in your own body. and then say that these are all just happaned by chance or just a coincedence

  116. ash

    Whether or not people belive in this baby nobody has the right to disregard somebodies beliefs and that includes saying that the qoran is fake. If you dont agree with it say that but dont offend others by saying its not true.

  117. kasim

    Hi,

    People those who think it is fake, you can visit the place even now and verify it. Dont go always negative thinking like fake , some color paintings etc.
    Existence of supreme power is called God in English, Allah in Arabic, Bhagawan in Hindi. you need to worship supreme power before your death( thats the reason why are born and living in this world), otherwise permanent punishment will be reserved in hell.
    Think twice, just read quran( there is nothing wrong in reading others religious scripts- as a Muslim I have read bible, Hindus vedas & ramayan), understand what it is and then decide whether you need to follow supreme power or some one else other than him.
    every religious scripts says believe in one god- ie supreme power, due to misunderstanding people created religion and cast. In quran god says I didn’t create religion, it doesn’t require for me, due to miss understanding people created different religion and started following it without knowing and analyzing what it is.
    There will be only one religion which supreme power accepts it and It is your responsibility to identify the supreme power and worship him the same before your death. close your eyes and regularly pray to supreme power saying “Oh my god there are so many religion and cast in this world, I dont know which one is the right one please help me out”, god will help you and god bless you.

  118. To believe or not to belief, is our personal choice.

    It is wise to just keep it for ourselves since religion is very personal.

    It’s just between you and your creator…or…your own personal way to acquire peace of mind.

    Hoax or not hoax, it does not really matter. If it’s child abuse, the parents will get what they deserve, one way or another.

    Let us analyze the messages and the real purpose of these messages, then we can make our own personal conclusions.

    Below were the verses of Koran which were written on a body of the Russian baby :

    Al-Baqarah : 2-283

    “Do not conceal testimony, and whoever conceals it, his heart is surely sinful. Allah is aware of all your actions”.

    Al-Araf : 7-7

    “Then We shall tell their whole story as an eye witness for We were never absent at any time or from any place”.

    Analyze the message yourself and make your own conclusions.

    Peace on earth

  119. irfan

    baby born in africa to a christian family with a copy of koran in hand

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI37DPLFhZg&feature=related

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