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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Double Action</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-229218</link>
		<dc:creator>Double Action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine what the government has to look through...</description>
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		<title>By: annmarie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-226842</link>
		<dc:creator>annmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like H1N1 girms and ugh its so ugly and discusting it looks like doodo ewwwwwww</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Reed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224649</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lucas: &quot;The MRO is 250 km above the martian surface, yet it can take pictures with much better resolution than LRO, which is just 50 km above the lunar surface. Is there such a big difference in their cameras?&quot;

In a word, yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MRO_HiRISE.jpg

http://www.msss.com/lro/lroc/illustrations/LROC_NA_WA_figure_i.jpg

But to reiterate, the goal is not to provide the best imagery possible, but imagery that satisfies the mission requirements. This answers Ray&#039;s question--

&quot;While I understand Phil’s comment about having 25cm imagery of Mars, I have to ask “What would we use it for?”
And are there really any features on Mars that we need to see at that level of resolution?

--in that the science objectives of HiRISE are to characterize the current climate and mechanisms of climate change, determine the nature of complex layered terrain, identify water-related landforms, search for sites showing evidence for aqueous and/or hydrothermal activity, an identify and characterize sites with the highest potential for landed science and sample return by future missions. Those high level science requirements drive the imagery resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lucas: &#8220;The MRO is 250 km above the martian surface, yet it can take pictures with much better resolution than LRO, which is just 50 km above the lunar surface. Is there such a big difference in their cameras?&#8221;</p>
<p>In a word, yes.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MRO_HiRISE.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MRO_HiRISE.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.msss.com/lro/lroc/illustrations/LROC_NA_WA_figure_i.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.msss.com/lro/lroc/illustrations/LROC_NA_WA_figure_i.jpg</a></p>
<p>But to reiterate, the goal is not to provide the best imagery possible, but imagery that satisfies the mission requirements. This answers Ray&#8217;s question&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;While I understand Phil’s comment about having 25cm imagery of Mars, I have to ask “What would we use it for?”<br />
And are there really any features on Mars that we need to see at that level of resolution?</p>
<p>&#8211;in that the science objectives of HiRISE are to characterize the current climate and mechanisms of climate change, determine the nature of complex layered terrain, identify water-related landforms, search for sites showing evidence for aqueous and/or hydrothermal activity, an identify and characterize sites with the highest potential for landed science and sample return by future missions. Those high level science requirements drive the imagery resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224627</link>
		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is incredable yes mars is weird but so is venus and io and eurpoa and titan (Phill how about having a survey have people who visit the blog list the ten wierdst things in the universe ) we have seen stranger things on mars for example the canales that were thought to have been dug by martians untill space probes showed there were no canales and lets not forget cydona theres still people who think the hills and moutans there are martian city . buy the way I think there is to munch imangeing of the earth just go to google maps type in your adress and clik satalite view you will see a nice view of your house</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is incredable yes mars is weird but so is venus and io and eurpoa and titan (Phill how about having a survey have people who visit the blog list the ten wierdst things in the universe ) we have seen stranger things on mars for example the canales that were thought to have been dug by martians untill space probes showed there were no canales and lets not forget cydona theres still people who think the hills and moutans there are martian city . buy the way I think there is to munch imangeing of the earth just go to google maps type in your adress and clik satalite view you will see a nice view of your house</p>
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		<title>By: Mare Magnum &#124; El increible polo sur marciano</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224621</link>
		<dc:creator>Mare Magnum &#124; El increible polo sur marciano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] estoy de acuerdo con Phil Plait de Bad Astronomy: Marte es [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Lake: [links] Link salad talks to the surgeon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Lake: [links] Link salad talks to the surgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mars is sublime &#8212; Some seriously cool imaging. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mars is sublime &mdash; Some seriously cool imaging. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alphamale11</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224597</link>
		<dc:creator>alphamale11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>consider the round items to be trees, flash frozen.  The land between as meadows.  Other as grass land surrounding buildings.  You gotum better explanation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>consider the round items to be trees, flash frozen.  The land between as meadows.  Other as grass land surrounding buildings.  You gotum better explanation?</p>
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		<title>By: Oroboros</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224592</link>
		<dc:creator>Oroboros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The pedant in me had to run and look up the definition (if there was one) of embiggen. OK I obviously &lt;a HREF =&quot;http://kottke.org/07/06/embiggen-cromulent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;missed that episode&lt;/A&gt;. I like it. I learned another new word this week. &lt;I&gt;imput&lt;/I&gt;. The payroll company upgraded from DOS to Windows and &lt;I&gt;imputted&lt;/I&gt; my 50/50 split deposit as an absolute value instead of percentage. 

2) The fractal self-similarity just &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127011.600-can-fractals-make-sense-of-the-quantum-world.html?full=true&amp;print=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;screams out at you doesn&#039;t it&lt;/A&gt;? I posted a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.wildernessvagabonds.com/zp/index.php?p=news&amp;title=The-universe-as-matryoshka-dolls&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long rambling blog&lt;/A&gt; that was partially based around this quote from Thoreau:

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When the frost comes out in the spring, and even in a thawing day in the winter, the sand begins to flow down the slopes like lava, sometimes bursting out through the snow and overflowing it where no sand was to be seen before. Innumerable little streams overlap and interlace one with another, exhibiting a sort of hybrid product, which obeys half way the law of currents, and half way that of vegetation. As it flows it takes the forms of sappy leaves or vines, making heaps of pulpy sprays a foot or more in depth, and resembling, as you look down on them, the laciniated, lobed, and imbricated thalluses of some lichens; or you are reminded of coral, of leopard&#039;s paws or birds&#039; feet, of brains or lungs or bowels, and excrements of all kinds. It is a truly grotesque vegetation...You find thus in the very sands an anticipation of the vegetable leaf. No wonder that the earth expresses itself outwardly in leaves, it so labors with the idea inwardly. The atoms have already learned this law, and are pregnant by it
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The pedant in me had to run and look up the definition (if there was one) of embiggen. OK I obviously <a HREF ="http://kottke.org/07/06/embiggen-cromulent" rel="nofollow">missed that episode</a>. I like it. I learned another new word this week. <i>imput</i>. The payroll company upgraded from DOS to Windows and <i>imputted</i> my 50/50 split deposit as an absolute value instead of percentage. </p>
<p>2) The fractal self-similarity just <a HREF="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127011.600-can-fractals-make-sense-of-the-quantum-world.html?full=true&#038;print=true" rel="nofollow">screams out at you doesn&#8217;t it</a>? I posted a <a HREF="http://www.wildernessvagabonds.com/zp/index.php?p=news&#038;title=The-universe-as-matryoshka-dolls" rel="nofollow">long rambling blog</a> that was partially based around this quote from Thoreau:</p>
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When the frost comes out in the spring, and even in a thawing day in the winter, the sand begins to flow down the slopes like lava, sometimes bursting out through the snow and overflowing it where no sand was to be seen before. Innumerable little streams overlap and interlace one with another, exhibiting a sort of hybrid product, which obeys half way the law of currents, and half way that of vegetation. As it flows it takes the forms of sappy leaves or vines, making heaps of pulpy sprays a foot or more in depth, and resembling, as you look down on them, the laciniated, lobed, and imbricated thalluses of some lichens; or you are reminded of coral, of leopard&#8217;s paws or birds&#8217; feet, of brains or lungs or bowels, and excrements of all kinds. It is a truly grotesque vegetation&#8230;You find thus in the very sands an anticipation of the vegetable leaf. No wonder that the earth expresses itself outwardly in leaves, it so labors with the idea inwardly. The atoms have already learned this law, and are pregnant by it
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224580</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mars is weird. &lt;/i&gt;

Hey Mars probably thinks Earth&#039;s weird y&#039;know! ;-)


&lt;i&gt;It’s small, and cold, and has a thin atmosphere that’s almost entirely carbon dioxide, and what isn’t CO2 is nitrogen and, bizarrely, argon.&lt;/i&gt;

Well Argon is inert and heavy, very non-reactive and, okay its a bit rareish, but bizarre? Why? 

BTW. Why argon though and not xenon or krypton nobelly-gas-speaking? Or is &lt;u&gt;that&lt;/u&gt; the bizarre part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mars is weird. </i></p>
<p>Hey Mars probably thinks Earth&#8217;s weird y&#8217;know! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>It’s small, and cold, and has a thin atmosphere that’s almost entirely carbon dioxide, and what isn’t CO2 is nitrogen and, bizarrely, argon.</i></p>
<p>Well Argon is inert and heavy, very non-reactive and, okay its a bit rareish, but bizarre? Why? </p>
<p>BTW. Why argon though and not xenon or krypton nobelly-gas-speaking? Or is <u>that</u> the bizarre part?</p>
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		<title>By: Petrolonfire</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224579</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrolonfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeewwww! &lt;b&gt;*NOT*&lt;/b&gt; so pretty a picture! 

Sure that ain&#039;t your colon? &lt;i&gt;(Checks to see if I&#039;ve been in a nearly year-long coma w /o realising &amp; its suddenly April 1st.) &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeewwww! <b>*NOT*</b> so pretty a picture! </p>
<p>Sure that ain&#8217;t your colon? <i>(Checks to see if I&#8217;ve been in a nearly year-long coma w /o realising &#038; its suddenly April 1st.) </i></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224575</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the far left center of the larger image (the same one with the two frowny faces in the bottom right) there is the word &quot;Allah&quot; written in Arabic. There are also some vaguely Arabic letters/words at the top center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the far left center of the larger image (the same one with the two frowny faces in the bottom right) there is the word &#8220;Allah&#8221; written in Arabic. There are also some vaguely Arabic letters/words at the top center.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224574</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus: It&#039;s my understanding that the military has access to imagery and the resolution you describe, but it&#039;s not generally available to the public for a number of reasons.</description>
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		<title>By: Alhemapu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224572</link>
		<dc:creator>Alhemapu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally looks like a map from Starcraft.</description>
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		<title>By: Mena</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-2/#comment-224546</link>
		<dc:creator>Mena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, giant Martian yeast!
http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mycology/yeast1q.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, giant Martian yeast!<br />
<a href="http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mycology/yeast1q.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mycology/yeast1q.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this:  Rotate the image 135 degrees counter/anti-clockwise, and the fact that the round features are holes becomes much clearer (to my eye/brain, anyway).  We&#039;re wired to expect the light to be above us, with shadows pointing more or less downward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this:  Rotate the image 135 degrees counter/anti-clockwise, and the fact that the round features are holes becomes much clearer (to my eye/brain, anyway).  We&#8217;re wired to expect the light to be above us, with shadows pointing more or less downward.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-1/#comment-224542</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MRO is 250 km above the martian surface, yet it can take pictures with much better resolution than LRO, which is just 50 km above the lunar surface. Is there such a big difference in their cameras?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MRO is 250 km above the martian surface, yet it can take pictures with much better resolution than LRO, which is just 50 km above the lunar surface. Is there such a big difference in their cameras?</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-1/#comment-224538</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the  record, how cool is it that I&#039;m actually having some form of conversation with the guy who designed the optics for these things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the  record, how cool is it that I&#8217;m actually having some form of conversation with the guy who designed the optics for these things?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schrum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-1/#comment-224516</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly the formation is a finger pointing us to where we should land to look for the Martian archeological site.

(Since I am new to this blog, I should say that the above sentence is tongue-in-cheek.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the formation is a finger pointing us to where we should land to look for the Martian archeological site.</p>
<p>(Since I am new to this blog, I should say that the above sentence is tongue-in-cheek.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/04/mars-is-sublime/comment-page-1/#comment-224502</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Markle - OK, I did say aerial photography there.  I certainly had no idea they had loaded anything that high-res in google, but it doesn&#039;t change the fact that it&#039;s a specifically tasked aircraft mission, not something that enables much in the way of scientific inquiry.  Apparently the plane is low enough that people on the ground have noticed it and are staring up at it. Clue me in here, the image copyright is TerraMetrics.  Why did they give this one aerial photo to Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Markle &#8211; OK, I did say aerial photography there.  I certainly had no idea they had loaded anything that high-res in google, but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that it&#8217;s a specifically tasked aircraft mission, not something that enables much in the way of scientific inquiry.  Apparently the plane is low enough that people on the ground have noticed it and are staring up at it. Clue me in here, the image copyright is TerraMetrics.  Why did they give this one aerial photo to Google?</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BMoreKarl, Bouch, Alex Whiteside, Emory Stagmer, Chris A.:

The table below the image on the HiRISE site states: that the angle of solar incidence is 77 °, with the Sun about 13 ° above the horizon.  Now if only their was an indication of which direction on the image is 77 degrees, then we could clear this all up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BMoreKarl, Bouch, Alex Whiteside, Emory Stagmer, Chris A.:</p>
<p>The table below the image on the HiRISE site states: that the angle of solar incidence is 77 °, with the Sun about 13 ° above the horizon.  Now if only their was an indication of which direction on the image is 77 degrees, then we could clear this all up.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Markle - Yeah, you can get anything you want from an airplane, balloon, whatever.  We&#039;re talking about satellites here, and you&#039;ve verified what I said - there is not publicly available satellite imagery that good.

But once again, I never meant to say we needed this exact kind of satellite or this exact resolution in the first place (though my post does sound that way).  What I want is a new, higher resolution version of Landsat.  A working satellite with multi-spectral imaging that is funded by U.S. tax dollars and makes its data freely available.  In a perfect world we would have a hyper-spectral imager on board too.  The resolution need not be 25 centimeter, but better than 30 meters would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Markle &#8211; Yeah, you can get anything you want from an airplane, balloon, whatever.  We&#8217;re talking about satellites here, and you&#8217;ve verified what I said &#8211; there is not publicly available satellite imagery that good.</p>
<p>But once again, I never meant to say we needed this exact kind of satellite or this exact resolution in the first place (though my post does sound that way).  What I want is a new, higher resolution version of Landsat.  A working satellite with multi-spectral imaging that is funded by U.S. tax dollars and makes its data freely available.  In a perfect world we would have a hyper-spectral imager on board too.  The resolution need not be 25 centimeter, but better than 30 meters would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bouch, Alex Whiteside, Emory Stagmer:

They are most definitely round holes.  The giveaway is the fact that you can see the edge of the shadows cast by the rim of the holes perfectly paralleling the rim&#039;s shape in the holes&#039; bottoms.  The light source (the Sun) is at the lower right in the first (zoomed in) image, and at the left in the context image.

But my brain is still having a hard time grepping the geometry of the regions opposite the shadowed edges, where the brownish &quot;rind&quot; appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bouch, Alex Whiteside, Emory Stagmer:</p>
<p>They are most definitely round holes.  The giveaway is the fact that you can see the edge of the shadows cast by the rim of the holes perfectly paralleling the rim&#8217;s shape in the holes&#8217; bottoms.  The light source (the Sun) is at the lower right in the first (zoomed in) image, and at the left in the context image.</p>
<p>But my brain is still having a hard time grepping the geometry of the regions opposite the shadowed edges, where the brownish &#8220;rind&#8221; appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand Phil&#039;s comment about having 25cm imagery of Mars, I have to ask &quot;What would we use it for?&quot;

And are there really any features on Mars that we need to see at that level of resolution?

For that matter, the same can be asked of Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand Phil&#8217;s comment about having 25cm imagery of Mars, I have to ask &#8220;What would we use it for?&#8221;</p>
<p>And are there really any features on Mars that we need to see at that level of resolution?</p>
<p>For that matter, the same can be asked of Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Markle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case somebody wants some actual numbers, the best commercial Earth-observing satellite imagery is 50cm.  That&#039;s by statute not physics.  GeoEye-1 can do 41cm/pixel panchromatic greyscale and 1.65m 3 color, but it&#039;s illegal in the US to provide commercial images better than 50cm. 
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33331
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/masterCatalog.do?sc=2008-042A
That&#039;s satellites, though.

If you can get an overflight, an aircraft can get you your 1cm.  Here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?q=15.29854,19.429741&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=15.298539,19.42974&amp;spn=0.000117,0.000154&amp;t=h&amp;z=23&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;classic watering hole shot in Chad&lt;/a&gt;.  You&#039;ve now seen it Gus. 1cm tricolor.  Think his mommy would recognize him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case somebody wants some actual numbers, the best commercial Earth-observing satellite imagery is 50cm.  That&#8217;s by statute not physics.  GeoEye-1 can do 41cm/pixel panchromatic greyscale and 1.65m 3 color, but it&#8217;s illegal in the US to provide commercial images better than 50cm.<br />
<a href="http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33331" rel="nofollow">http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33331</a><br />
<a href="http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/masterCatalog.do?sc=2008-042A" rel="nofollow">http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/masterCatalog.do?sc=2008-042A</a><br />
That&#8217;s satellites, though.</p>
<p>If you can get an overflight, an aircraft can get you your 1cm.  Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=15.29854,19.429741&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;ll=15.298539,19.42974&#038;spn=0.000117,0.000154&#038;t=h&#038;z=23" rel="nofollow">classic watering hole shot in Chad</a>.  You&#8217;ve now seen it Gus. 1cm tricolor.  Think his mommy would recognize him?</p>
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		<title>By: Damon B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the Valley Dor!

But with resolution that good, we should be seeing Plant Men.  What&#039;s the deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Valley Dor!</p>
<p>But with resolution that good, we should be seeing Plant Men.  What&#8217;s the deal?</p>
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