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	<title>Comments on: Reminder: Carl Sagan Day</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/06/reminder-carl-sagan-day/comment-page-1/#comment-225191</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did anybody read Plait’s “Bad Astronomy”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly I did, but that was nearly ten years ago. Unfortunately most of my books are currently in storage, so I sometimes have to make do with the web and my memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did anybody read Plait’s “Bad Astronomy”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly I did, but that was nearly ten years ago. Unfortunately most of my books are currently in storage, so I sometimes have to make do with the web and my memory.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/06/reminder-carl-sagan-day/comment-page-1/#comment-225006</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Sagan&#039;s birthday isn&#039;t complete without a sampling from his younger, hungrier days as an aspiring movie and TV personality (along with Stephen Hawking): http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1880</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Sagan&#8217;s birthday isn&#8217;t complete without a sampling from his younger, hungrier days as an aspiring movie and TV personality (along with Stephen Hawking): <a href="http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1880" rel="nofollow">http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1880</a></p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/06/reminder-carl-sagan-day/comment-page-1/#comment-224989</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bahdum (aka Richard) Said:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Did anybody read Plait’s “Bad Astronomy”?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

In my case, no. Not out of total disinterest, but I perused the table of contents at the bookstore and it was evident that reading the whole thing would be redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bahdum (aka Richard) Said:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Did anybody read Plait’s “Bad Astronomy”?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In my case, no. Not out of total disinterest, but I perused the table of contents at the bookstore and it was evident that reading the whole thing would be redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bahdum (aka Richard)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/06/reminder-carl-sagan-day/comment-page-1/#comment-224982</link>
		<dc:creator>Bahdum (aka Richard)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anybody read Plait&#039;s &quot;Bad Astronomy&quot;?

From the paperback edition, page 184: 
&quot;Initially, in 1950, when the Macmillan publishing house was preparing the manuscript for publication, the scientific community caught a whiff of it. In particular, a Harvard astronomer named Harlow Shapley wrote several vitriolic letters to the editors at Macmillan--correctly, mind you--that Velikovsky&#039;s ideas were wrong, and that Macmillan was doing everyone a disservice by publishing them&quot;
Plait did read that there were hints that the scientific community that Shapley would use his influence to urge a boycott against Macmillan for publishing Velikovsky&#039;s work.

It wasn&#039;t until the 1970s that Sagan came into the Velikovsky debate. Sagan was then the leading figure in astronomy and had considerable pull with the media. So, a debate was held. On page 185, Plait un-deifies Sagan:
&quot;On the side of science, there was much posturing and posing. Sagan--for whom I have tremendous respect both as a scientist and as someone who popularized teaching astronomy to the public--did a terrible job debunking Velikovsky&#039;s ideas. He made straw-man arguments, and attacked only small details of Velikovsky&#039;s claims.

Soon after, according to Plait, the idea that the universe was stable and slow to change would fly out the window, like a streaking comet. This would be after the evidence came in that the universe could display disaster in a real and almost incomprehensible sense.

For Sagan&#039;s part, he learned that even a fool such as Velikovsky must be allowed to utter his nonsense: not even a fool should be silenced and censored. Who knows how many great books were lost in the final sacking of the Great Library at Alexandria? But then, who knows how many utterly wrong and foolish books were lost, too? Both were great losses to humanity.

Yeah, keep this day on your calender, but don&#039;t keep it sacred.  Mr. Sagan would not be happy with his deification. He was just happy if you learned something new about the universe. Keep on learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anybody read Plait&#8217;s &#8220;Bad Astronomy&#8221;?</p>
<p>From the paperback edition, page 184:<br />
&#8220;Initially, in 1950, when the Macmillan publishing house was preparing the manuscript for publication, the scientific community caught a whiff of it. In particular, a Harvard astronomer named Harlow Shapley wrote several vitriolic letters to the editors at Macmillan&#8211;correctly, mind you&#8211;that Velikovsky&#8217;s ideas were wrong, and that Macmillan was doing everyone a disservice by publishing them&#8221;<br />
Plait did read that there were hints that the scientific community that Shapley would use his influence to urge a boycott against Macmillan for publishing Velikovsky&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until the 1970s that Sagan came into the Velikovsky debate. Sagan was then the leading figure in astronomy and had considerable pull with the media. So, a debate was held. On page 185, Plait un-deifies Sagan:<br />
&#8220;On the side of science, there was much posturing and posing. Sagan&#8211;for whom I have tremendous respect both as a scientist and as someone who popularized teaching astronomy to the public&#8211;did a terrible job debunking Velikovsky&#8217;s ideas. He made straw-man arguments, and attacked only small details of Velikovsky&#8217;s claims.</p>
<p>Soon after, according to Plait, the idea that the universe was stable and slow to change would fly out the window, like a streaking comet. This would be after the evidence came in that the universe could display disaster in a real and almost incomprehensible sense.</p>
<p>For Sagan&#8217;s part, he learned that even a fool such as Velikovsky must be allowed to utter his nonsense: not even a fool should be silenced and censored. Who knows how many great books were lost in the final sacking of the Great Library at Alexandria? But then, who knows how many utterly wrong and foolish books were lost, too? Both were great losses to humanity.</p>
<p>Yeah, keep this day on your calender, but don&#8217;t keep it sacred.  Mr. Sagan would not be happy with his deification. He was just happy if you learned something new about the universe. Keep on learning.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/06/reminder-carl-sagan-day/comment-page-1/#comment-224969</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molly, Sagan was an anonymous teenager when Velikovsky&#039;s book was first published. There were astronomers who &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; campaign against the book, but it wasn&#039;t Sagan.  And it&#039;s hard to censor ideas which were already known even before the book went to print. Velikovsky had been running his stuff up the flagpole since the 1940s. 

On the other hand, what have you to say about Velikovsky censoring his own work, as a tactic to evade legitimate rebuttals? Velikovsky excised his book&#039;s technical addendum as an attempt to keep newer readers from seeing the positively stark contrast between his thesis and the known behaviors of real things out here in the World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly, Sagan was an anonymous teenager when Velikovsky&#8217;s book was first published. There were astronomers who <i>did</i> campaign against the book, but it wasn&#8217;t Sagan.  And it&#8217;s hard to censor ideas which were already known even before the book went to print. Velikovsky had been running his stuff up the flagpole since the 1940s. </p>
<p>On the other hand, what have you to say about Velikovsky censoring his own work, as a tactic to evade legitimate rebuttals? Velikovsky excised his book&#8217;s technical addendum as an attempt to keep newer readers from seeing the positively stark contrast between his thesis and the known behaviors of real things out here in the World.</p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a totally unrelated note - slate published an article about the harm that unvaccinated children pose to toddlers with cancer.  http://www.slate.com/id/2232977/  Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a totally unrelated note &#8211; slate published an article about the harm that unvaccinated children pose to toddlers with cancer.  <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2232977/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2232977/</a>  Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The publishing company was just acting on good old market dynamics, they sell a lot more textbooks then they would with Velikovsky&#039;s work, think boycott.It was other scientists who threatened the publisher but they were defending science from anitscience. Sagan did write a piece about Velikovsky until years later because his ideas were still floating around.

Also some people are not big fans of Sagan. Most of these people think making astronomy popular is a bad thing, and only a few should have access to the infomation.

I consider myself a Saganite because I think astronomy is for all and I love the night sky. 

Have a good Sagan Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The publishing company was just acting on good old market dynamics, they sell a lot more textbooks then they would with Velikovsky&#8217;s work, think boycott.It was other scientists who threatened the publisher but they were defending science from anitscience. Sagan did write a piece about Velikovsky until years later because his ideas were still floating around.</p>
<p>Also some people are not big fans of Sagan. Most of these people think making astronomy popular is a bad thing, and only a few should have access to the infomation.</p>
<p>I consider myself a Saganite because I think astronomy is for all and I love the night sky. </p>
<p>Have a good Sagan Day.</p>
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