One Giant Leap seen again
Let me show you something. And when I say "something", I mean something.
See the red arrow, and where it’s pointing? That arrow is pointing to a place that changed humanity forever. You can divide all of history between the time before and the time after what happened where that arrow points.
You see, that arrow is pointing to the spot, the very spot, where Neil Armstrong became the first human to step on another world.
Yeah.
This image is from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, and it shows the Apollo 11 landing site. We’ve seen it before, but this time LRO is in its 50 km mapping orbit, so the resolution on this image is far higher — about 50 or so centimeters (20 inches). In this image, the tracks made by Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin as they scampered on the Moon for 2 hours and 31 minutes are obvious. You can even see the lander footpads, each just less than a meter (a bit over a yard) across.
The bright spots south of (below) the lander are various scientific packages they installed, including the Lunar Ranging Retro Reflector and the Passive Seismic Experiment. If I’ve got the scale right, the faint dark trail going to the upper left is where they put the TV camera. Somewhere between that and the lander is the flag. The Sun was shining straight down in this image, so the flag isn’t visible.
The image above is only one part of a bigger shot:
That big feature to the right is West crater. As the astronauts rode the lunar lander down to the surface, Armstrong saw that the computer was going to put them down right in the rubble field west (left) of the crater. He took control, and with literally seconds of fuel left, put the lander safely down where you see it in this image. His cool hand saved the mission; had they landed among the rubble the lander could have hit a boulder, or landed so lopsided they would not have been able to take off again.
Note the picture’s scalebar. If this were the Earth, you could stroll across this image in maybe 10 minutes. Encumbered as they were in their spacesuits, and lacking time, Armstrong and Aldrin never got very far, and certainly not to West crater. Pity; it’s interesting. Look at the rubble around it! Those boulders which almost wiped out our first attempt to land on the Moon must have been excavated by the impact, and would have provided instant insight into the Moon’s deeper layers.
Of course, we went back five more times. There was plenty of interplanetary booty to be nabbed.
I love these pictures from LRO! I’ve waited for years to be able to see images like this, and they are just as I imagined them. And they come at a propitious time, when the fate of our exploration of space is changing rapidly, and decisions on its future are to be made. It’s at just this time we most need to be reminded of what we can do when we strive for what seems to be impossible, and when we set our sights, quite literally, beyond the horizon.
Credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University
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If these cameras get any better we will be able to see Armstrong’s finger prints on the Hasselblad!
This image, more than the others I’ve seen, really shows how dark the moon really is, and how comparably bright our metallic remnants are.
Is West Crater large enough to be seen from the ground? I know it’s impossible to see the lander from here, but if I can see the crater, I can always show people where it all happened.
According to Aldrin the Flag was toppled by rocket exhaust. If it’s laying on its side then there’ll never be an image of its shadow.
Wow, thanks for these series of photos. I’ve been waiting for LRO’s low mapping orbit!
By the way Phil, when will Joe Rogan be coming around to apologize and recant his silly argument with you on Penn Radio?
I prefer to think of this site as a “future museum site”. I envision a ringed hallway around it, eventually, with windows looking in for the tourists. I don’t think they’ll cover it over but maybe I’m wrong…
Completely off topic, but does anyone know where to find a high quality version of the Galileo Earth spin movie? It seems that all the NASA websites have individual frames from it that refer to the video in whole, but it doesn’t seem to be around.
I’ve seen a mediocre quality version on YouTube and one NASA website has a short snippet of the video. I’ve seen segments in some of their video podcasts and it’s a really nice video but I can’t seem to find the original video itself. Does anyone know where to find it?
Jeremy H:
Probably never. It’s been demonstrated, time and time again, that most moon-hoaxers won’t accept anything short of being transported to the moon, right in front of the Apollo 11 vehicle, and shown that they’re on the moon. He might not be one of the “most” but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Following up on what T.E.L. said, if the flag was toppled by Eagle’s liftoff, shouldn’t we be able to see it lying on the ground (unless it fell in a small clump, which seems unlikely)? If the flag has disintegrated due to UV exposure, shouldn’t we at least be able to see the knocked over metallic flagpole, given it was about 5 feet long?
Seems unlikely, but maybe Aldrin is wrong and the flag is still standing.
Yay, real photographic and examinable evidence.
Unfortunately, because they are examinable they won’t be taken seriously by the delusional devotees of the moon hoax conspiracy theory. And it’s even too good for UFO-ites.
Unless it’s vague, fuzzy, and indecipherable (except to the “special ones”), it doesn’t pass pseud0-scientific, paranormal, and alternate reality muster.
In short: it’s much too real for them to accept.
I love those shots, too.
Bill Roberts (#3), no, it’s too small. Hubble would see it as a dot. It might be visible using advanced techniques on the big ‘scopes, but you’d need a professional (multi-meter class) telescope.
Bill,
The diameter of West Crater is 180 m. At the moon’s perigee of 363,104 km that translates to an angular resolution of 2 * arctan(180 m / 363,104,000 m / 2) = 0.102 arcseconds. The diameter of the telescope needed to resolve that would be 11.6 / 0.102 = 113 cm.
It should be a Species Monument – whatever they do on the moon, that (hell all the Apollo sites!) should be ringed and forever open to space and undisturbed
I imagine elementary school classes taking field trips to this place in the future. Let’s hope!
Roy: “If the flag has disintegrated due to UV exposure, shouldn’t we at least be able to see the knocked over metallic flagpole, given it was about 5 feet long?”
The flagpole may be 5 feet long, but it’s not very wide – certainly not the 20 inches that’d be needed to show up in this shot.
Let’s see: a large, reflective object on the Moon with four smaller, symmetrically placed shapes around it. Right where NASA said it should be. Naw, must be a hoax. I would hope the flag pole was still standing.
I love the photos. I don’t seem to find the time to look at all the space/astronomy sites that I want. The paperwork left over from the day job (marking and teaching) takes care of most of the ‘free time’. Where the heck did that red pen go to now?
When this becomes a museum, we should place a large, shiny black rectangular marker in a pit next to it.
Yes! Man, I’ve been waiting for these as well. Finally, we can see it (again), and it’s not just something invisible that you know is there. I mean, that stuff’s been up there for my entire life, so it’s amazing to finally see it in an image taken during my life!
I’d show this to my moon-hoax-believing co-worker… but I don’t even want to get into it. I’m too happy. That’ll just depress me. Now, how do I arrange to have him “find” it…?
There isn’t by chance a way we can map the movement of the astronauts seen in archive video footage, compare where their tracks should be in the video with where they are here, and render a(nother) serious blow to the moon hoax community, is there?
Seeing things like this always makes me a bit emotional and misty-eyed. Seriously, I’m actually crying just a little looking at these and thinking about how amazing and wonderful it all is. Is that weird?
@thedepressingstatistician – They already went over the footage, that’s how they made the fake images!
Fantastic! If these images don’t send chills down your spine, you are either already dead or, worse, an HB.
Wow… just.. wow!
I remember being 4 years old in July 1969, and my Dad (a science & space nut by heart, but a govt accountant by trade lol) taking myself and my 5mth old brother outside to show us the moon, and telling me to “wave at the men on the moon” because it’s no longer a fairytale
I was hooked on space and rockets etc from then on.
Evocation of some great memories, thx Phil.
When you look at the first picture, then the second and realize that, according to The Other Ian, the crater is only about 600 feet (less than twice the length of an American football field), we really didn’t explore a whole lot up there. To put it in an interesting perspective, the two Mars rovers have traveled a total of a little over 16 miles.
Oh, and as for the moon landings, they where faked (on a sound stage) along with the Mars rovers (they are in Death Vally), the above pictures (Photoshopped, but with an older version or they would be better quality), the Hubble pictures ( a newer version of Photoshop) and the shuttle launches (miniatures using forced perspective) and the thousands (millions?) of people involved in all of these have kept quiet about it for over 40 years. Including the Soviets/Russians.
“You can divide all of history between the time before and the time after what happened where that arrow points. ”
This is of course true for any point in time. Regardless, in the future I think this is what people will remember as the most significant even of the 20th century. Not the wars, or the inventions or the great literature achievements but the exploration. Case in point: Name one event from the 15th century on the top of your head… If you are like me you thought of the discovery of the America’s. Try to name another one now. Again, if you are an history ignoramus like me, you cannot.
Fantastic photos.
Is there any chance of us not mentioning the moon-hoax EVER AGAIN?
@bigjohn756
Re: If these cameras get any better we will be able to see Armstrong’s finger prints on the Hasselblad!
They left the Hasselblad?? Nooooo. Right, we have to go back for that. You have any idea what they are worth?
@thermos
No… We have to mention it. It’s in the contract.
Besides, then we would have to make fun of the Flat Earthers.
@ Philip,
I imagine that particular Hasselblad is worth a bit more than normal, given its history.
Not that I’d want the site plundered, of course.
The shadow is weird. It´s all around the so called lander.
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@bill roberts
You might not be able to see the crater, but you can still point out where it happened. It’s the bottom left corner of Mare Tranquilitas, which is the second black splotch above the equator on the right. I suggest getting a map though, Google moon is easy and free.
@Dave
The flag pole may be 5 ft long, but it’s only an inch wide, so if it fell over, we probably still wouldn’t see it. You can’t see the much thicker tubes on the landing struts either, just the pads.
wow just wow; would like to say more but WOW.
I didn’t know there were such detailed aerial photos of the sound stage? Or are those the models? I hope they dust off all the equipment and make a few more movies.
In all seriousness, this is fantastic stuff. I really want to see more!
RE: Artbot’s 11/9 post: …place a large, shiny black rectangular marker in a pit next to it.
I asked HAL about this idea and, unfortunately, got the standard response: “I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that…”
Most excellent! A very big “well done” to the LRO team. This photo is way cool!
@ Philip from Australia (28) – yes, they left behind anything that they did not absolutely need, in order to minimise the weight of the Ascent Stage of the LEM for take-off. This included the Hasselblad, the TV camera, their PLSSes (both astronauts were plugged into the LEM’s life-support system when they ditched the portable ones), tools and … well, everything they no longer needed.
We seem to forget that the LEM ascent stage had never been tested in a way that mimicked the lunar take-off. The ascent engine was too weak to lift the ascent stage on Earth and, although the LEMs of Apollos 9 and 10 had been tested, both were tested in microgravity conditions (9 in Earth orbit and 10 in lunar orbit). If that had been me up there, I would have wanted to give it every last chance of working properly!
The individual ascent engines could not be tested before use because the fuel was too corrosive. Sure, the design had been tested several times, but that particular engine had never been fired up until Armstrong or Aldrin hit the switch.
@ roy (9) – we would not see the flagpole because, as others have pointed out, it is too narrow. The key aspect of an object that decides whether or not we cann resolve it is its smallest dimension, not its largest. However, since the flag had a wire in the top edge to hold it out from the flagpole, that might have fallen in such a way that it now lies flat on the lunar surface. Even if the nylon has degraded in the solar radiation, its remnants will still be there. However, I think the flag itself is slightly too small for LRO to resolve it.
Photoshopped.
25. Kees Says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Case in point: Name one event from the 15th century on the top of your head… If you are like me you thought of the discovery of the America’s. Try to name another one now. Again, if you are an history ignoramus like me, you cannot.
___________
1439 – The invention of movable type. An event more significant for humanity than the discovery of America, the moon landing, and all the wars combined.
“1439 – The invention of movable type. An event more significant for humanity than the discovery of America, the moon landing, and all the wars combined.”
You’re forgetting an even more important event, the fall of Constantinople, 1453. The end of the Roman Empire.
toasterhead Says:
“1439 – The invention of movable type. An event more significant for humanity than the discovery of America, the moon landing, and all the wars combined.”
Spot-on. I couldn’t agree with you more.
Wow – truly truly awesome to think that there were people up on the moon. Hoaxers are missing the awesome of the event.
Which begs the question – have any hoaxers responded with ‘Photoshop’ comments yet?
How cool is that?!?!
Of course, I’m positive this still doesn’t prove anything to the nutters out there, if anything, they will find a way to twist this to further their agenda, but for those of us that live in the real world, it’s just awesome to see that photo.
Thanks Phil, I’m going to share the lunar love.
“It’s only a model…”
“shhhh”
“)
thanks for sharing Phil!
Forget the tracks, there’s a perfectly formed freaking red arrow on the moon!
@Bob (43) and JimmyS (44): You owe me a new keyboard, hot chocolate everywhere.
Hmm, does anybody know what the brightest dot of the bottom triad is? It’s not the PSE or LRRR and an astronaut trail goes right over it. In this image (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/AS11-40-59118.jpg), it looks like there’s a rock, but it doesn’t look especially bright. Is it just a shiny rock?
When’s Google MoonStreet View coming?
@ toasterhead: touche…
Most interesting is the apparent lack of whales in the pics. And I don’t see the Theme Park.
8)
Nevermind, it’s an ALSCC, seen behind the astronaut in this picture (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/40/5951.jpg). It was just superimposed on the lander in the pic I was trying to use. BTW, this is a great resource for figuring out what’s what around the site: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11prsci3-15.html You can just click on the little arrows, and it pulls up the pictures; unfortunately, no time-stamps, but they are in chronological order.
I am sad that even a picture won’t convince a conspiracy theorist.
I’m still waiting to see some of the Soviet hardware that’s up there. Have they released pics of either of the Lunakhods yet?
Oops, I’m wrong in #50. Armstrong ditches the ALSCC under the lander before he goes home. Anybody have other ideas? Maybe it’s the red thing visible in some of the images of Aldrin and the PSE? Cosmic ray?
@Rand All (#20): You aren’t alone.
Obviously faked images. I mean come on! How could we ever go to the real moon without alien help? And Phil is definitely in on the government’s plan to hide the fact that we faked the moon landing.
Just kidding.
It’s nice to see some images of the moon that show our history. So cool. Can’t wait to be able to go there and sight see.
Another kick in the a** for Bart Sibrel and Fox Nework!
One of my favorite things about this blog, and the people who enjoy it, is the absolute unbridled joy that is found in a few ‘simple’ (HA!) pictures.
I so wish that there was a button to erase teh stoopid so that everyone could have access to the marvels of space without all the BS that seems to come with it. Or maybe a big old smack in the forehead.
Then again maybe their stupidity is part (albeit small) of what has led to some of these discoveries, because every question/speculation deserves an answer and if nothing else, the science can prove the skeptics wrong, even when they choose not to believe it.
And my just-turned 5yo is very excited to see these pictures of Luna, who she says is one of her best friends and the place she wants to live when she grows up so that she can watch the Earth like a TV.
@The Other Ian (12):
I concur with your numbers (i.e. West Crater subtends 0.1 arcsec and would require a 113 cm telescope to resolve). But the latter figures assumes perfect optics and no atmosphere, which (as Phil (11) hinted) typically limits all but the largest scopes with adaptive optics to about 0.5 arcsec.
In other words, don’t go running to the nearest observatory with a 1.5 meter scope, hoping to see it!
Totally awesome just doesn’t say enough. Trails through the regolith and all…it’s freaking amazing!!
Thanks Phil!
Anyone placing bets on how long it will be before the LRO finds the “missing” Lunokhod 1 rover?
@38-@40 The Chinese invented movable type centuries before it was rediscovered in “the west”.
Please play again.
@Xerxes (53):
I think the bottom spot is the PSEP, and the top-left is the LRRR. My guess is that the large white thing at top-right is not an experiment, but something else. Possibly the AESEP cover from the LM descent stage that could have blown off during the ascent. It could also be a PLSS that was discarded, but I have a hard time guessing how it would have made it over there.
It was unfortunate that NASA hadn’t considered a lunar polar orbiters to “live” broadcast from orbit their activities. Perhaps too risky to have an orbiter with Apollo LCM’s and landers?
While this is amazing, it’s also profoundly sad. We now have the technology to send a robot with sufficient precision that we can see, fairly clearly, the place WE USED TO WALK.
Meng Bomin (7) asked: “does anyone know where to find a high quality version of the Galileo Earth spin movie?”
How about the ones found at Emily Lakdawalla’s Planetary Society Blog, specifically here:
http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000967/
Will the movies linked from here do?
To relate this to our moon: in the second movie you can see the moon in the same frame with the earth, and it is always surprising to see how dark the moon is compared to the earth.
@63
Chet, I’m not sure I understand what you mean. The Apollo moonwalks were broadcast live. They weren’t relayed off a satellite, but they were sent live from the lunar surface.
See, here’s how I know the Moon Landings were a hoax:
If we really landed, the beings living in the Crystal Palace that Richard C. Hoagland keeps pointing out, and which the astronauts photographed when they weren’t there, would have killed the astronauts and cooked them. They would have used the Lunar Module as a skateboard and shot down the Command Module, killing Michael Collins. Armstrong and Aldrin’s heads would be on spikes outside the palace gates.
The fact that none of this was ever publicised, shows that NASA are lying.
I know. I heard it on Coast to Coast with Art Bell.
I remember the Hassy ads from the mid ’70′s…. final line on the brochure was something like…
All of the modified 500 ELM bodies were left on the moon…. they are still there and free for the taking!
HAAA!!!!
Even in the big image, you can see Armstrong’s trail when he walked over to Little West crater!
I have to ask; why do the Apollo artifacts appear overexposed?
Is this because of the difference in brightness relative to the lunar surface?
I had hoped to see detail of at least the descent stage sort of like what the MRO has shown with it’s images of the rovers and Phoenix.
@70
The Lunar Module was covered in highly reflective foil so the Sun’s rays would reflect off it and not heat it up like an oven. Same with the spacesuits.
The Lunar Surface, in comparison, is pretty dark.
This also explains why the astronauts could see each other in the shadows; reflected light everywhere.
Slightly off topic, but one of the PI’s for a LRO instrument was arrested not long ago on charges of spying! (you can google to find his name). An FBI sting operation apparently reeled him in (you can learn quite interesting things from reading “the war-monger’s magazine” = Aviation Week and Space Technology (a friend’s quotes, not mine, I love it). )
Back in the fifteenth century Galileo said, “But surpassing all stupendous inventions, what sublimity of mind was his who dreamed of finding means to communicate his deepest thoughts to any other person, though distant by mighty intervals of place and time! Of talking with those who are in India; of speaking to those who are not yet born and will not he born for a thousand or ten thousand years; and with what facility, by the different arrangements of twenty characters upon a page!” Though that didn’t happen then he saw communication as the most important innovation, and so printing will outlast all other discoveries of that centuries as most important.
As a kid I always used to think the times before the moon landings as ancient history, and everything after 1969 as modern.
I mean, sure it was a huge achievement, but damn, every time I heard of anything that happened before ’69 I always thought to myself “Wow, that’s a long time ago, they haven’t ‘even’ landed on the moon yet!”
It was as if an era had changed (Civilization-style).
25. Kees Says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:57 am
“Case in point: Name one event from the 15th century on the top of your head… If you are like me you thought of the discovery of the America’s.”
Sigh.
Such stupendous arrogance. There have been people living in the “Americas” far longer than the entire written history of man. There was nothing “discovered” in the 15th century. You people keep wandering all over Creation looking for wisdom, and you keep looking in the wrong place. But then, it hurts too much to look to yourself, hmmm?
But, the photo is a minorly interesting technical achievement.
“But, the photo is a minorly interesting technical achievement.”
I couldn’t let this one pass…talk about ARROGANCE!
@ Daffy:
Yeah, I guess it takes one to know one, huh? And isn’t “Saddened” just a little contradictory? First he says we’re arrogant, then he suggests the only way to find wisdom is to “look to yourself.”
I got your wisdom right here, Saddened, straight from the heart.
Forgive me, I’m still stuck on this flag thing.
Are we currently at the max resolution that the orbiter is capable of or might it be getting better images in the future?
Wow!,The MRO Hi_Rise images show the Mars rover tracks with total clarity..and it happens to be far smaller than the Descent stage of the LM.Yet you guys are gushing like little school girls over this? Oh yeah I forgot this is BAD astronomy.com.Oh brother..reminds me of that stupid looking 1950s movie type space suit I saw on display at Cape Kennedy being touted as a replica of one of the “real” Apollo suits.get real.and the landers legs were covered in Kapton also,so they should show up nice in this Photo too. Aliens drag off the PLSS,s?Remember they were highly reflective too. Nice grainy pic..nice.
This is a truly inspiring photo.
And I hope comment #79 was a troll
IBY (51) said:
I’m not sure I understand why this comes as a surprise.
After all, we already have hundreds of pin-sharp close-range photos of the Apollo hardware. These are the pics taken by the Apollo astronauts while they were there. The HBs believe their nonsense despite all of these photos, so I really don’t see how any photograph will convince any of them.
Roy asked: “Are we currently at the max resolution that the orbiter is capable of or might it be getting better images in the future?”
This is about as good as it’s going to get. Note what the BA said: “…this time LRO is in its 50 km mapping orbit, so the resolution on this image is…about 50 or so centimeters (20 inches).” So LRO isn’t getting any closer to the Moon.
Also, note the resolution and the altitude: 50 cm (20 inch) resolution at 50 km (30 mile) altitude. The poles in the flag pole are only about an inch wide, so LRO would need to be 20 times closer than it currently is, or about 2.5 km (1.5 miles). I seriously doubt NASA would try to pass over the Apollo 11 site at that altitude.
Obvious photoshop is obvious.
Hey, Bunnyhopper, the camera on the Mars orbiter has a higher resolving power than the one on the LRO. Does this surprise you? One mission warrants higher res than the other. Not all things must be at the absolute limit of the state of the art.
But anyway, the PLSS is clothed in bright white beta cloth, which is optically diffusive. Kapton reflects more like metal foil. Crinkled Kapton will have a large amount of surface area oriented to mirror-reflect sunlight directly toward the observer, whereas beta cloth will scatter light evenly, with much less of it per area going to the observer. This photo was taken very close to local noon; the conditions favor a strong signal from the Kapton, not from beta cloth.
@ T.E.L.
Damn you and your facts! Damn you, I say!
Haw haw!
Besides, hoaxers (real or trollish) will never change their story. Why? BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY AT IT! Same with UFO nuts, alternative “medicine” quacks, and all the rest.
It’s a great scheme: a guaranteed population of followers who will always need a quick path to “expert” status or a chance to become an initiate in an elite group that’s “in the know,” and an endless supply of free content — be it NASA pictures or hokey hubcabs flying through the sky — that can be packaged into books, DVDs, and other paraphernalia and sold to the hungering masses.
L. Ron Hubbard made a mint using the same business model.
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Hoax. Watch did we land on the moon doc, and find out how and when did the original footage stolen from NASA. Everything has been filmed in Area51. Studio job, lots of spot lights, many shadows and weaving American flag(ofcourse). Come on guys, don’t be fool…
Sad thing is that even if you took a conspiracy theorist up in a spaceship.
Landed him on the moon.
Dressed him in a space suit.
Dragged him over to, say the rover.
Picked him up by the ankles and smashed his head against the vehicle over and over, he STILL wouldnt believe it.
Show me 1 piece of film that went to the moon and back… doesn’t even have to have a photo.
Can’t, and if you could it would be a total fogged out like an X-ray.
What do you think come in through the lens along with the light that exposes the film??
I’d have to say the invention of the wheel was a bit bigger! But I’m just trolling.
@Rand
It’s unbelievably inspirational and moving. I also quite enjoy the Galileo Hammer and Feather test performed by Cmdr. Scott on the Apollo 15 mission. For everything Galileo suffered through in his lifetime for trying to push us forward I thought it was an incredibly touching display by people of the future STANDING ON THE SURFACE OF THE MOON to mention Gally by name and hold his experiment there in his honor.
Everything about NASA and all the space programs across the world represent something truly fascinating and exciting. It’s brilliantly moving to see that there are people that not only dare to dream and dare to ask questions, but are also solving these problems—but not forgetting the people (even hundreds of years ago) that dared to dream as well even in the face of adversity or death.
God, I hope 92 is a troll.
You can run a film camera through an x-ray machine at a museum and it will not affect the film in any way.
More importantly, these images are phenomenal, thanks again, Phil!
#82- I seriously doubt NASA would try to pass over the Apollo 11 site at that altitude.
yeah because it would prove it never happened! not that I care one way or the other.
Also to the person who said the conspiracy theorists refuse to believe the evidence, well that’s because pictures are very easy to manipulate. So until there’s LEGIT proof, like we go back again say…. then you’ll always have nonbelievers. I find it amazingly strange that no one has since walked on the moon. That is the biggest reason people won’t believe it happened. Until that happens nothing will change.