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	<title>Comments on: Fermi may have spotted dark matter</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Fucious</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/19/fermi-may-have-spotted-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-237127</link>
		<dc:creator>Fucious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remain very skeptical of dark matter.

I&#039;d like to see an explanation for the weak gravitational interaction of dark matter. If this is the case, then comparatively speaking, isn&#039;t the dark matter accelerating differently due to gravity when compared to known matter? I mean this in the curved space-time sense of acceleration; so a hypothetical &quot;dark photon&quot; wouldn&#039;t travel in a strait line through curved space-time, but wold instead curve away from gravitational sources.

Or would dark matter exist in a parallel space-time overlapping ours where the curvature of space-time isn&#039;t as severe? A model where different kinds of matter react to gravity differently would suggest this, I think. And I find that very hard to swallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain very skeptical of dark matter.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see an explanation for the weak gravitational interaction of dark matter. If this is the case, then comparatively speaking, isn&#8217;t the dark matter accelerating differently due to gravity when compared to known matter? I mean this in the curved space-time sense of acceleration; so a hypothetical &#8220;dark photon&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t travel in a strait line through curved space-time, but wold instead curve away from gravitational sources.</p>
<p>Or would dark matter exist in a parallel space-time overlapping ours where the curvature of space-time isn&#8217;t as severe? A model where different kinds of matter react to gravity differently would suggest this, I think. And I find that very hard to swallow.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypocee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypocee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astroquoter, a shorter way to put your statement about physics &#039;losing the plot&#039; is this: &quot;I am surprised that strong, simple relationships got discovered sooner than subtle, complicated ones.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astroquoter, a shorter way to put your statement about physics &#8216;losing the plot&#8217; is this: &#8220;I am surprised that strong, simple relationships got discovered sooner than subtle, complicated ones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hypocee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/19/fermi-may-have-spotted-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-227308</link>
		<dc:creator>Hypocee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?! [citation needed]</description>
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		<title>By: Petrolonfire</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/19/fermi-may-have-spotted-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-227242</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrolonfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 31.   Hypocee Says: 

&lt;i&gt;…finally a testable hypothesis about dark matter.

Er…the Bullet Cluster…? &lt;/i&gt;

Nah, I think that &quot;bullet cluster&quot; one got shot down - despite being pretty quick on the draw!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 31.   Hypocee Says: </p>
<p><i>…finally a testable hypothesis about dark matter.</p>
<p>Er…the Bullet Cluster…? </i></p>
<p>Nah, I think that &#8220;bullet cluster&#8221; one got shot down &#8211; despite being pretty quick on the draw!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: astroquoter</title>
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		<dc:creator>astroquoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat news although cosmology ain&#039;t really my thing and I won&#039;t pretend to be on top of its subtleties. &lt;i&gt;Fermi&lt;/i&gt; is the new name of the GLAST probe the BA worked on right? :-) 

@ 16 Gary Ansorge :

Awesome link there thanks! :-D

Except it gets me wondering could Earth have rings like Saturn with a Moon like ours or would the Lunar gravity disturb and destroy the rings via tidal effects? 

Stunning &amp; well explained clip anyhow. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neat news although cosmology ain&#8217;t really my thing and I won&#8217;t pretend to be on top of its subtleties. <i>Fermi</i> is the new name of the GLAST probe the BA worked on right? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@ 16 Gary Ansorge :</p>
<p>Awesome link there thanks! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Except it gets me wondering could Earth have rings like Saturn with a Moon like ours or would the Lunar gravity disturb and destroy the rings via tidal effects? </p>
<p>Stunning &#038; well explained clip anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: astroquoter</title>
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		<dc:creator>astroquoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 8.   Jack Mitcham Says: 

&lt;i&gt;You’re missing the fact that humans are fallible biological organisms, and not hyperlogical robots. People are sloppy with language. That’s why we have Newton’s LAW of gravity, which is demonstrably false, and String “Theory,” which doesn’t really even have a way to be tested yet. 

It isn’t like there is a strict hierarchy.&lt;/i&gt;


For illustration here &amp; in historical order we have :

Kepler&#039;s *laws* of gravity -&gt;

-&gt; explained by Newton&#039;s *laws* of gravity -&gt;

-&gt; refined by Einstein&#039;s theory of Relativity -&gt; 

-&gt; confused by numerous theories of super strings and quantum physics and M-brane theory and WIMPs and Higg&#039;s bosons and  .. who knows what else they&#039;ll think of next and we&#039;re still really struggling to understand it all.

Seems to me that somewhere along the line shortly after Einstein, physics just went and totally lost the plot... 

Or maybe its just me?  :-(

(I find cosmology confusing as all hell &amp; my maths is pretty lousy. I am interested and read a lot about it - incl. here - but I still can&#039;t seem to make much sense of it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 8.   Jack Mitcham Says: </p>
<p><i>You’re missing the fact that humans are fallible biological organisms, and not hyperlogical robots. People are sloppy with language. That’s why we have Newton’s LAW of gravity, which is demonstrably false, and String “Theory,” which doesn’t really even have a way to be tested yet. </p>
<p>It isn’t like there is a strict hierarchy.</i></p>
<p>For illustration here &#038; in historical order we have :</p>
<p>Kepler&#8217;s *laws* of gravity -></p>
<p>-> explained by Newton&#8217;s *laws* of gravity -></p>
<p>-> refined by Einstein&#8217;s theory of Relativity -> </p>
<p>-> confused by numerous theories of super strings and quantum physics and M-brane theory and WIMPs and Higg&#8217;s bosons and  .. who knows what else they&#8217;ll think of next and we&#8217;re still really struggling to understand it all.</p>
<p>Seems to me that somewhere along the line shortly after Einstein, physics just went and totally lost the plot&#8230; </p>
<p>Or maybe its just me?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(I find cosmology confusing as all hell &#038; my maths is pretty lousy. I am interested and read a lot about it &#8211; incl. here &#8211; but I still can&#8217;t seem to make much sense of it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hypocee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypocee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how much Phil studies the quantum mechanics, but upon reading the actual article the definitive statement that &quot;[WIMPs] are self-annihilating&quot; was a misrepresentation. The actual statement made is that &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; WIMPs happen to be self-annihilating, &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; the galactic center would be the best place to look for such collisions. 

According to the abstract the data suggest that we &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; see a haze of otherwise-inexplicable gamma rays around the galactic center, and that if it is not some kind of artifact its spherical shape seems to contraindicate an origin in baryonic matter. That last one seems a little silly to me given that the baryonic matter near the center of spiral galaxies usually forms a sphere, but I presume that&#039;s because they&#039;re pro astronomers who spell out the reason in the paper and I&#039;m an abstract-reading fanboi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how much Phil studies the quantum mechanics, but upon reading the actual article the definitive statement that &#8220;[WIMPs] are self-annihilating&#8221; was a misrepresentation. The actual statement made is that <i>if</i> WIMPs happen to be self-annihilating, <i>then</i> the galactic center would be the best place to look for such collisions. </p>
<p>According to the abstract the data suggest that we <i>may</i> see a haze of otherwise-inexplicable gamma rays around the galactic center, and that if it is not some kind of artifact its spherical shape seems to contraindicate an origin in baryonic matter. That last one seems a little silly to me given that the baryonic matter near the center of spiral galaxies usually forms a sphere, but I presume that&#8217;s because they&#8217;re pro astronomers who spell out the reason in the paper and I&#8217;m an abstract-reading fanboi.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypocee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypocee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...finally a testable hypothesis about dark matter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Er...the Bullet Cluster...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;finally a testable hypothesis about dark matter.</p></blockquote>
<p>Er&#8230;the Bullet Cluster&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: davem</title>
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		<dc:creator>davem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if we know nothing about Dark Matter, how come we know that its particles annihilate each other? that sounds like we know a lot about dark matter to me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if we know nothing about Dark Matter, how come we know that its particles annihilate each other? that sounds like we know a lot about dark matter to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: enigma3535</title>
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		<dc:creator>enigma3535</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epicurus and Carl: &quot;thank you&quot;; unfortunately, I do not think your posts help regarding the dilemma ... re: … Mr. Mitcham, IMHO, I am not missing out on the fact that “humans are fallible biological organisms, and not hyperlogical robots.” Nor that, “People are sloppy with language.”  I am concerned that there are materially important issues facing both the governance of society and the education of our children that are being impacted by the words used in our scientific community.  I am chagrined that there does not appear to be logical standards regarding what is a scientific “law” vs “ theory”; and, this lack of a standard nomenclature *is* – with emphasis - being used against my kid’s future by persons that I am almost certain know better.

Torbjörn Larsson:  I think I understand most of what you are saying, but, it does not appear to help very much outside a select group of people that “get it”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epicurus and Carl: &#8220;thank you&#8221;; unfortunately, I do not think your posts help regarding the dilemma &#8230; re: … Mr. Mitcham, IMHO, I am not missing out on the fact that “humans are fallible biological organisms, and not hyperlogical robots.” Nor that, “People are sloppy with language.”  I am concerned that there are materially important issues facing both the governance of society and the education of our children that are being impacted by the words used in our scientific community.  I am chagrined that there does not appear to be logical standards regarding what is a scientific “law” vs “ theory”; and, this lack of a standard nomenclature *is* – with emphasis &#8211; being used against my kid’s future by persons that I am almost certain know better.</p>
<p>Torbjörn Larsson:  I think I understand most of what you are saying, but, it does not appear to help very much outside a select group of people that “get it”.</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Read &lt;em&gt;Starts with a Bang&lt;/em&gt;. MOND actually complicates matters in that it would require gravity to be non-local. It &lt;em&gt;may&lt;/em&gt; explain galaxy rotation curves, but that&#039;s it. It doesn&#039;t work for the bullet clusters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Read <em>Starts with a Bang</em>. MOND actually complicates matters in that it would require gravity to be non-local. It <em>may</em> explain galaxy rotation curves, but that&#8217;s it. It doesn&#8217;t work for the bullet clusters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kopeliadis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kopeliadis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a scientist so...
Why is there so much (?) dark matter since WIMPs are &quot;cold&quot; (meaning slow) and &quot;heavy&quot;, thus clumpy, and self annihilating? Is that this annihilations is slow,that they are continously creatted or that the universe is still young?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a scientist so&#8230;<br />
Why is there so much (?) dark matter since WIMPs are &#8220;cold&#8221; (meaning slow) and &#8220;heavy&#8221;, thus clumpy, and self annihilating? Is that this annihilations is slow,that they are continously creatted or that the universe is still young?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Cornwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in Cornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@IBY MOND looks like the application of Occam&#039;s razor in this case.  I&#039;m sitting in the &quot;we don&#039;t know&quot; camp on this one, but MOND looks a much more straightforward solution than DM/DE - but I&#039;m also sure MOND doesn&#039;t give all the answers either.  For the record, I&#039;m also a superstring sceptic... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IBY MOND looks like the application of Occam&#8217;s razor in this case.  I&#8217;m sitting in the &#8220;we don&#8217;t know&#8221; camp on this one, but MOND looks a much more straightforward solution than DM/DE &#8211; but I&#8217;m also sure MOND doesn&#8217;t give all the answers either.  For the record, I&#8217;m also a superstring sceptic&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it wrong to remain skeptical about this? (For now)

Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it wrong to remain skeptical about this? (For now)</p>
<p>Pete</p>
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		<title>By: Glast^H^H^H^H^H Fermi - Page 4 - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/19/fermi-may-have-spotted-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-227092</link>
		<dc:creator>Glast^H^H^H^H^H Fermi - Page 4 - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BA Blog: Fermi may have spotted dark matter    __________________ 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 ... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: orin</title>
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		<dc:creator>orin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@1, @15
BTW, the neutralino is not the supersymmetric partner to the neutrino. That would be the sneutrino.</description>
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BTW, the neutralino is not the supersymmetric partner to the neutrino. That would be the sneutrino.</p>
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		<title>By: albean</title>
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		<dc:creator>albean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZADL:

Sorry, more people would remember if I had thought to turn the camera properly.</description>
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<p>Sorry, more people would remember if I had thought to turn the camera properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Finally I have seen the dark!&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
A very odd property about them is that they are self-annihilating: when two of them touch, they turn into energy
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you sure they are WIMPs?! ;-)

But really, this isn&#039;t so odd, photons are their own antiparticles as well, and the putative gravitons too I guess. Particles must have antiparticles for reasons of symmetry, and some interactions doesn&#039;t seem to leave much other options than annihilating &quot;self&quot;.

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This struck me as effectively downgrading gravity from a “law” to a “theory”.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Effectively a law is an isolated hypothesis, which predict and can be tested on one thing only. 

A theory is by its nature a consistent set of related hypotheses, which can be tested on a multiplicity of predictions. Thus theories are the strongest knowledge we can have.

So todays cosmology that incorporates DM and DE is stronger than mere GR cosmologies. In fact, I believe I&#039;ve seen claimed that they admit testing GR, &quot;gravity law&quot; if you dump the fancy &quot;general relativity theory&quot; (curved spacetime and so on) beneath if you will and just calculate, out to scales never before attempted.

For example, a detailed theory like evolution with its many subprocesses combining to the whole process of life, has made and tested predictions of every level of detail for 150 years now, published more or less daily as of today. To replace it we would need a theory that makes the same predictions but is simpler, or alternatively that makes at least one prediction more.

That is a very, very tall order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally I have seen the dark!&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>
A very odd property about them is that they are self-annihilating: when two of them touch, they turn into energy
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<p>Are you sure they are WIMPs?! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But really, this isn&#8217;t so odd, photons are their own antiparticles as well, and the putative gravitons too I guess. Particles must have antiparticles for reasons of symmetry, and some interactions doesn&#8217;t seem to leave much other options than annihilating &#8220;self&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>
This struck me as effectively downgrading gravity from a “law” to a “theory”.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Effectively a law is an isolated hypothesis, which predict and can be tested on one thing only. </p>
<p>A theory is by its nature a consistent set of related hypotheses, which can be tested on a multiplicity of predictions. Thus theories are the strongest knowledge we can have.</p>
<p>So todays cosmology that incorporates DM and DE is stronger than mere GR cosmologies. In fact, I believe I&#8217;ve seen claimed that they admit testing GR, &#8220;gravity law&#8221; if you dump the fancy &#8220;general relativity theory&#8221; (curved spacetime and so on) beneath if you will and just calculate, out to scales never before attempted.</p>
<p>For example, a detailed theory like evolution with its many subprocesses combining to the whole process of life, has made and tested predictions of every level of detail for 150 years now, published more or less daily as of today. To replace it we would need a theory that makes the same predictions but is simpler, or alternatively that makes at least one prediction more.</p>
<p>That is a very, very tall order.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off-topic but awesome:
I just stopped by the library to grab some Nat&#039;l Geos the librarian was getting rid of and noticed that it coincided with a view of the ISS, so I let everyone know and a bunch of people piled outside to see it.
The first one to spot it was a little girl, probably about three, and she was really excited.
Hopefully there&#039;s going to be some scientists come out of that bunch of kids :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic but awesome:<br />
I just stopped by the library to grab some Nat&#8217;l Geos the librarian was getting rid of and noticed that it coincided with a view of the ISS, so I let everyone know and a bunch of people piled outside to see it.<br />
The first one to spot it was a little girl, probably about three, and she was really excited.<br />
Hopefully there&#8217;s going to be some scientists come out of that bunch of kids <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tracer</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always, at least in the past, on the MACHO side of the fence.

A galactic halo peppered with innumerable brown dwarfs -- which are probably MUCH more common in space than the few we&#039;ve detected so far -- would explain the Dark Matter phenomenon in a way that didn&#039;t require any new and exotic kinds of matter to be invented.

But, sadly (for me), as time has worn on, the WIMPs seem to be winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always, at least in the past, on the MACHO side of the fence.</p>
<p>A galactic halo peppered with innumerable brown dwarfs &#8212; which are probably MUCH more common in space than the few we&#8217;ve detected so far &#8212; would explain the Dark Matter phenomenon in a way that didn&#8217;t require any new and exotic kinds of matter to be invented.</p>
<p>But, sadly (for me), as time has worn on, the WIMPs seem to be winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Epicurus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epicurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The definition of &quot;theory&quot; and their relation to &quot;truth&quot; is a topic of philosophy (epistemology to be more precise). Within natural sciences the currently dominating model is the so called &quot;critical rationalism&quot; by Karl Popper.

In a nutshell a theory explains observations: Good ones explain a lot with a small set of variables, are free of internal contradictions and can be tested. A theory is not a description of reality: It is always temporary because the next observation can violate it. 

I always had a bad feeling about the concepts of dark matter and even more dark energy: Observations had been made which proved that current theories were wrong, but instead of taking this a a rejection of these theories, a speculative new variable had been introduced. The concept of dark matter explains several things (gravitational lenses, rotation speed of galaxies, etc.), but with dark energy we are close to the border of real natural science (and I&#039;m not sure at which side).

Popper introduced &quot;falsifiability&quot; as the criteria to distinguish a scientific theory from everything else. If a theory can not be proven wrong by observations, it is not science. I wonder if dark energy is a &quot;testable&quot; concept or only a gap filler in a model which did not stand the empirical test. Would be great to finally get some direct evidences which gives us the feeling to understand the world we live in a little bit better :-)

Recommended readings: &quot;Karl Popper&quot;, &quot;Epistemology&quot;, &quot;Falsifiability&quot; and &quot;Critical rationalism&quot; on Wikipedia. Any recommendations from your side: Highly welcomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of &#8220;theory&#8221; and their relation to &#8220;truth&#8221; is a topic of philosophy (epistemology to be more precise). Within natural sciences the currently dominating model is the so called &#8220;critical rationalism&#8221; by Karl Popper.</p>
<p>In a nutshell a theory explains observations: Good ones explain a lot with a small set of variables, are free of internal contradictions and can be tested. A theory is not a description of reality: It is always temporary because the next observation can violate it. </p>
<p>I always had a bad feeling about the concepts of dark matter and even more dark energy: Observations had been made which proved that current theories were wrong, but instead of taking this a a rejection of these theories, a speculative new variable had been introduced. The concept of dark matter explains several things (gravitational lenses, rotation speed of galaxies, etc.), but with dark energy we are close to the border of real natural science (and I&#8217;m not sure at which side).</p>
<p>Popper introduced &#8220;falsifiability&#8221; as the criteria to distinguish a scientific theory from everything else. If a theory can not be proven wrong by observations, it is not science. I wonder if dark energy is a &#8220;testable&#8221; concept or only a gap filler in a model which did not stand the empirical test. Would be great to finally get some direct evidences which gives us the feeling to understand the world we live in a little bit better <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Recommended readings: &#8220;Karl Popper&#8221;, &#8220;Epistemology&#8221;, &#8220;Falsifiability&#8221; and &#8220;Critical rationalism&#8221; on Wikipedia. Any recommendations from your side: Highly welcomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14. John Paradox

Good description. Another explanation is:

LAws are a mathematical description of the way the universe behaves/operates, as in,
F=MA
S=1/2 a*t^2
V=at
or F=G*M1*M2/R^2

or perhaps the most famous observation of all:

E=MC^2

These are all just mathematical descriptions of what we observe, thus they are LAWS. They in no way explain HOW all that happens, merely that it does. From these and other observations we construct a THEORY to explain why things act that way. As noted, all theories are approximations, but some are really GOOD approximations.

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14. John Paradox</p>
<p>Good description. Another explanation is:</p>
<p>LAws are a mathematical description of the way the universe behaves/operates, as in,<br />
F=MA<br />
S=1/2 a*t^2<br />
V=at<br />
or F=G*M1*M2/R^2</p>
<p>or perhaps the most famous observation of all:</p>
<p>E=MC^2</p>
<p>These are all just mathematical descriptions of what we observe, thus they are LAWS. They in no way explain HOW all that happens, merely that it does. From these and other observations we construct a THEORY to explain why things act that way. As noted, all theories are approximations, but some are really GOOD approximations.</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Dark Matter is just a bunch of left over neutralinos(super symmetric partner to the neutrino). Certain GU theories predict these in about the quantity we seem to observe.

On a brighter note, for beauty, check out this link my Son left me on Facebook. It shows how a ring system might look if earth had one.

http://www.videosift.com/video/What-if-Earth-had-rings-like-Saturn

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Dark Matter is just a bunch of left over neutralinos(super symmetric partner to the neutrino). Certain GU theories predict these in about the quantity we seem to observe.</p>
<p>On a brighter note, for beauty, check out this link my Son left me on Facebook. It shows how a ring system might look if earth had one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.videosift.com/video/What-if-Earth-had-rings-like-Saturn" rel="nofollow">http://www.videosift.com/video/What-if-Earth-had-rings-like-Saturn</a></p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: John Paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throwing in my $0.02 on Law/Theory, as I understand it....

LAW is &lt;B&gt;how&lt;/B&gt; things work
THEORY (please capitalize the T) is &lt;B&gt;why&lt;/B&gt; they work

Remember, this is a &#039;kindergarten&#039; explanation.... 

J/P=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throwing in my $0.02 on Law/Theory, as I understand it&#8230;.</p>
<p>LAW is <b>how</b> things work<br />
THEORY (please capitalize the T) is <b>why</b> they work</p>
<p>Remember, this is a &#8216;kindergarten&#8217; explanation&#8230;. </p>
<p>J/P=?</p>
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