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		<title>By: oki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/lhc-sees-its-first-collisions/#comment-206326</link>
		<dc:creator>oki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there somewhere we can find out what all the stuff in the picture represents? Like those orange things on either end. Are those.. magnets..? It&#039;d be so interesting to know.</description>
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		<title>By: ND</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/lhc-sees-its-first-collisions/#comment-206325</link>
		<dc:creator>ND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spectroscope,

&quot;There is a lot of speculation that the “hacking” was an inside job and so the “hacker” may well be a disenchanted Alarmist turning whistleblower. So it is most likely someone who is sick of having to lie and distort the facts who is prompted by a guilty conscience.&quot;

Is there any shred of evidence behind this speculation?

Is there any confidence that any of the emails are not tempered with? A few in a sea of legit emails would be very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spectroscope,</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a lot of speculation that the “hacking” was an inside job and so the “hacker” may well be a disenchanted Alarmist turning whistleblower. So it is most likely someone who is sick of having to lie and distort the facts who is prompted by a guilty conscience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there any shred of evidence behind this speculation?</p>
<p>Is there any confidence that any of the emails are not tempered with? A few in a sea of legit emails would be very effective.</p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/lhc-sees-its-first-collisions/#comment-206324</link>
		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About leak: nice to see that some persons are soo &quot;sceptic&quot; that they are now in frenzy.

Putting aside lack of guarantee that these emails and other data was not tampered in any way by hacker (they are already selected)... this is too much of everything, so I will comment about one thing. Tricks.

Spectroscope: &quot;...using “tricks”...&quot;
Check with dictionary this word. No, not only first meaning.  This should &lt;b&gt;do the trick&lt;/b&gt;. :&gt; Anyway,  learning more about &lt;b&gt;tricks of trade&lt;/b&gt; from climate sciencists should be interesting. Not to mention these tricks...
http://math.about.com/library/bldivide.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_fraction#General_result
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_contour_integration#Example_.28IIIa.29_trigonometric_integrals.2C_the_general_procedure

In other words, &quot;Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all&quot;.

So this  sentence about &quot;tricks&quot; from Spectroscope...
&quot;...using “tricks” to make it look like temperatures have warmed when they haven’t...&quot;
This is not even selective quote mining, this is outright insinuation and lie. As expected from denialists, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About leak: nice to see that some persons are soo &#8220;sceptic&#8221; that they are now in frenzy.</p>
<p>Putting aside lack of guarantee that these emails and other data was not tampered in any way by hacker (they are already selected)&#8230; this is too much of everything, so I will comment about one thing. Tricks.</p>
<p>Spectroscope: &#8220;&#8230;using “tricks”&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Check with dictionary this word. No, not only first meaning.  This should <b>do the trick</b>. :&gt; Anyway,  learning more about <b>tricks of trade</b> from climate sciencists should be interesting. Not to mention these tricks&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://math.about.com/library/bldivide.htm" rel="nofollow">http://math.about.com/library/bldivide.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_fraction#General_result" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_fraction#General_result</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_contour_integration#Example_.28IIIa.29_trigonometric_integrals.2C_the_general_procedure" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_contour_integration#Example_.28IIIa.29_trigonometric_integrals.2C_the_general_procedure</a></p>
<p>In other words, &#8220;Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all&#8221;.</p>
<p>So this  sentence about &#8220;tricks&#8221; from Spectroscope&#8230;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;using “tricks” to make it look like temperatures have warmed when they haven’t&#8230;&#8221;<br />
This is not even selective quote mining, this is outright insinuation and lie. As expected from denialists, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gss_ooo

The birds are from the future... even Hitchcock didn&#039;t see that coming.
Damn, now I can&#039;t go outside</description>
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<p>The birds are from the future&#8230; even Hitchcock didn&#8217;t see that coming.<br />
Damn, now I can&#8217;t go outside</p>
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		<title>By: Spectroscope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spectroscope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 27.   Davidlpf Says:

&lt;i&gt; Yes, I completely trust a hacker a person who by nature has to do devious things. Is there any verfication of these e-mails? What was the motivation of the hacker? Was the hacker paid by anyone for this? Was it for petty revenge? &lt;/i&gt;

There is a lot of speculation that the &quot;hacking” was an inside job and so the “hacker” may well be a disenchanted Alarmist turning whistleblower. So it is most likely someone who is sick  of having to lie and distort the facts who is prompted by a guilty conscience.

Investigations indicate the emails are genuine and even the Alarmist camp seems to be confirming this.

@ 28.   Bipedal Tetrapod Says:

&lt;i&gt; @Jar Jya Binks Killer - Hacking files and selective quote mining couldn’t posibly be used to push forward an agenda that is losing ground in peer reviewed journals…&lt;/i&gt;

It can be argued that everyone has an agenda, the Warmer hysterics especially included.

Only unlike the GW skeptics the Alarmists agenda is unsupported by the facts hence the fraudulent and unscientific manipulation of the data by the CRU as revealed by the emails incl. suppressing scientific papers contradictory to their cause and denying or preventing proper peer review - as well as Freedom of Information requests designed to obtain this info. legally.

@ 29.   jick Says:

@19 &lt;i&gt;Fixed that for you.&lt;/i&gt;

No, I had it right first time. :-P

The RC mob are discredited and exposed whether they like it or not.

As noted above, it seems probable that the “hacking”was an inside job and more a case of whistle-blowing and its hard to find any context where the admissions revealed in the CRU emails are innocent and not what they appear.

&quot;Hiding the decline&quot; using &quot;tricks&quot; to make it look like temperatures have warmed when they haven&#039;t, preventing or warping peer review, censoring dissenting opinions, deleting or asking others to delete emails to cover up their tricks &amp; this frank admission:

&quot;The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. &quot;
- IPCC lead author Kevin Trenberth privately telling Alarmist collegaues that the data simply doesn’t show what their climate models predicted:

All this just cannot be explained away.

Sorry Alarmist Warmer hysterics but your goose is cooked - wonder who&#039;ll be first to come clean &amp; turn states evidence? ;-)

Anyway,  I wonder  why you are more concerned about the ethics of those who are exposing the fraud rather than those perpetuating it? Which is the worse offence?  :roll:

@ 34.   gss_000 Says:

&lt;i&gt;@Spectroscope, @Jar Jya Binks Killer
Silly, silly deniers. Hijacking a thread just to promote bad information. &lt;/i&gt;

What about the information provided is in your view bad or invalid specifically?

Whatever you think of us Anthropogenic GH FXT Skeptics you need to look at the reality of the science and the evidence of scientific malpractice and even outright criminal fraud revealed  in the emails.

Shooting the messenger will  NOT  change this evidence or make it go away.

The Alarmists have been caught doing exactly what the creationists do - tailoring their &quot;evidence&quot; to match their pre-ordained  conclusions rather than changing their conclusions to match the evidence. This is unscientific and proof that the Warmer Alarmist ideology is more a  religion than a science.

If you disagree then you&#039;ll have to back up your assertions properly rather than just indulge yourself in ad hominam attacks.

PS. No post on this yet BA? Don&#039;t you think you should be covering this massive story which has key elements of science,  (the green) religion &amp; ideology imposing itself on science and the political misuse of science? Your choice and your blog of course but I really feel you should be discussing this and fail to see why you haven&#039;t done so yet.  Not too beholden to the &quot;watermellon greens&quot; &lt;I&gt;(Deep environmentalist &quot;Green&quot; on the outside, deep socialist/communist &quot;Red&quot; on the inside)&lt;/i&gt; I hope?  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 27.   Davidlpf Says:</p>
<p><i> Yes, I completely trust a hacker a person who by nature has to do devious things. Is there any verfication of these e-mails? What was the motivation of the hacker? Was the hacker paid by anyone for this? Was it for petty revenge? </i></p>
<p>There is a lot of speculation that the &#8220;hacking” was an inside job and so the “hacker” may well be a disenchanted Alarmist turning whistleblower. So it is most likely someone who is sick  of having to lie and distort the facts who is prompted by a guilty conscience.</p>
<p>Investigations indicate the emails are genuine and even the Alarmist camp seems to be confirming this.</p>
<p>@ 28.   Bipedal Tetrapod Says:</p>
<p><i> @Jar Jya Binks Killer &#8211; Hacking files and selective quote mining couldn’t posibly be used to push forward an agenda that is losing ground in peer reviewed journals…</i></p>
<p>It can be argued that everyone has an agenda, the Warmer hysterics especially included.</p>
<p>Only unlike the GW skeptics the Alarmists agenda is unsupported by the facts hence the fraudulent and unscientific manipulation of the data by the CRU as revealed by the emails incl. suppressing scientific papers contradictory to their cause and denying or preventing proper peer review &#8211; as well as Freedom of Information requests designed to obtain this info. legally.</p>
<p>@ 29.   jick Says:</p>
<p>@19 <i>Fixed that for you.</i></p>
<p>No, I had it right first time. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The RC mob are discredited and exposed whether they like it or not.</p>
<p>As noted above, it seems probable that the “hacking”was an inside job and more a case of whistle-blowing and its hard to find any context where the admissions revealed in the CRU emails are innocent and not what they appear.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hiding the decline&#8221; using &#8220;tricks&#8221; to make it look like temperatures have warmed when they haven&#8217;t, preventing or warping peer review, censoring dissenting opinions, deleting or asking others to delete emails to cover up their tricks &amp; this frank admission:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. &#8221;<br />
- IPCC lead author Kevin Trenberth privately telling Alarmist collegaues that the data simply doesn’t show what their climate models predicted:</p>
<p>All this just cannot be explained away.</p>
<p>Sorry Alarmist Warmer hysterics but your goose is cooked &#8211; wonder who&#8217;ll be first to come clean &amp; turn states evidence? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway,  I wonder  why you are more concerned about the ethics of those who are exposing the fraud rather than those perpetuating it? Which is the worse offence?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ 34.   gss_000 Says:</p>
<p><i>@Spectroscope, @Jar Jya Binks Killer<br />
Silly, silly deniers. Hijacking a thread just to promote bad information. </i></p>
<p>What about the information provided is in your view bad or invalid specifically?</p>
<p>Whatever you think of us Anthropogenic GH FXT Skeptics you need to look at the reality of the science and the evidence of scientific malpractice and even outright criminal fraud revealed  in the emails.</p>
<p>Shooting the messenger will  NOT  change this evidence or make it go away.</p>
<p>The Alarmists have been caught doing exactly what the creationists do &#8211; tailoring their &#8220;evidence&#8221; to match their pre-ordained  conclusions rather than changing their conclusions to match the evidence. This is unscientific and proof that the Warmer Alarmist ideology is more a  religion than a science.</p>
<p>If you disagree then you&#8217;ll have to back up your assertions properly rather than just indulge yourself in ad hominam attacks.</p>
<p>PS. No post on this yet BA? Don&#8217;t you think you should be covering this massive story which has key elements of science,  (the green) religion &amp; ideology imposing itself on science and the political misuse of science? Your choice and your blog of course but I really feel you should be discussing this and fail to see why you haven&#8217;t done so yet.  Not too beholden to the &#8220;watermellon greens&#8221; <i>(Deep environmentalist &#8220;Green&#8221; on the outside, deep socialist/communist &#8220;Red&#8221; on the inside)</i> I hope?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Asimov fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asimov fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more on Brin&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Earth&lt;/i&gt; novel  see via Wikipedia :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_(novel)

It&#039;s another novel I&#039;d happily recomend to anyone. :-)

Have you read it BA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more on Brin&#8217;s <i>Earth</i> novel  see via Wikipedia :</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_(novel)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_(novel)</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s another novel I&#8217;d happily recomend to anyone. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Have you read it BA?</p>
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		<title>By: Asimov fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asimov fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 38.   Lawrence Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 8:17 am

&lt;i&gt;I believe this was also the plot of a book called “Earth” where a blackhole slipped into the Earth’s core &amp; caused problems. It has been a while since I’ve seen a copy, so I’ll see if I can find it &amp; post some more info. &lt;/i&gt;

Great novel! It is one written by David Brin - and is, indeed, titled &lt;i&gt;&#039;Earth&#039;&lt;/i&gt; published by Futura books in 1990. It features  a couple of black holes falling into our planets core along with some good science and a scientist hero. One of my favourite non-Asimov books! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 38.   Lawrence Says:<br />
November 24th, 2009 at 8:17 am</p>
<p><i>I believe this was also the plot of a book called “Earth” where a blackhole slipped into the Earth’s core &amp; caused problems. It has been a while since I’ve seen a copy, so I’ll see if I can find it &amp; post some more info. </i></p>
<p>Great novel! It is one written by David Brin &#8211; and is, indeed, titled <i>&#8216;Earth&#8217;</i> published by Futura books in 1990. It features  a couple of black holes falling into our planets core along with some good science and a scientist hero. One of my favourite non-Asimov books! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JoeSmithCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSmithCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone said this one yet? Good old Marvine the Martian:

&quot;Where is the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! This makes me very angry, very angry indeed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone said this one yet? Good old Marvine the Martian:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! This makes me very angry, very angry indeed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scientists at CERN have discovered, not the Higgs Boson, but the Higgs Post-on.  Realization of their discovery had them hanging their heads in shame.  Says one researcher, &#039;If only we had talked to 3M first!&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientists at CERN have discovered, not the Higgs Boson, but the Higgs Post-on.  Realization of their discovery had them hanging their heads in shame.  Says one researcher, &#8216;If only we had talked to 3M first!&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hadron Collider - wtf!? - Page 9 - TRIBE - tribe.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadron Collider - wtf!? - Page 9 - TRIBE - tribe.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LHC sees its first collisions! &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine [...] </description>
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