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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/18/skeptical-about-methane-and-uranus/#comment-210947</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the Uranus/Ouranos suggestion, I thought that astronomers had already solved that problem by renaming the planet &#039;Urectum&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the Uranus/Ouranos suggestion, I thought that astronomers had already solved that problem by renaming the planet &#8216;Urectum&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/18/skeptical-about-methane-and-uranus/#comment-210946</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? Where does the C come from? C is a perfectly respectable letter in Latin! None of this messing around with suspicious letters like K which is only good when you have to steal a word from Greek! And don&#039;t get me started on Y...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? Where does the C come from? C is a perfectly respectable letter in Latin! None of this messing around with suspicious letters like K which is only good when you have to steal a word from Greek! And don&#8217;t get me started on Y&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Asimov Fan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/18/skeptical-about-methane-and-uranus/#comment-210945</link>
		<dc:creator>Asimov Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 22 andy:

&lt;i&gt; If you wanted to use the closest Latin equivalent, you’d probably have to go with Caelus. &lt;/i&gt;

Where does the &#039;C&#039; come from there?

Plus  there&#039;s already a constellation called Caelum which is pretty close to &#039;Caelus&#039;  see: http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/cae-t.html

Then again &#039;Hydra&#039; is both the name of the largest constellation &amp; the name of one of Pluto&#039;s moons so I guess it &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; work. Or we could go for Chronos the Roman equivalent I think.

Actually, when it comes to Uranus I think the oldest name for it - the one that therefore should have priority - is 34 Tauri back when it was mistakenly charted as a star .. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 22 andy:</p>
<p><i> If you wanted to use the closest Latin equivalent, you’d probably have to go with Caelus. </i></p>
<p>Where does the &#8216;C&#8217; come from there?</p>
<p>Plus  there&#8217;s already a constellation called Caelum which is pretty close to &#8216;Caelus&#8217;  see: <a href="http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/cae-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/cae-t.html</a></p>
<p>Then again &#8216;Hydra&#8217; is both the name of the largest constellation &amp; the name of one of Pluto&#8217;s moons so I guess it <i>could</i> work. Or we could go for Chronos the Roman equivalent I think.</p>
<p>Actually, when it comes to Uranus I think the oldest name for it &#8211; the one that therefore should have priority &#8211; is 34 Tauri back when it was mistakenly charted as a star .. </p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding geological processes on Mars, even if the planet has cooled down sufficiently that it can&#039;t punch magma through the crust to the surface, it doesn&#039;t mean that less energetic systems aren&#039;t still active.

As for Uranus vs Ouranos (which would I&#039;m sure end up getting pronounced as &quot;our anus&quot; and thus not avoiding any tedious and juvenile humour at all), quite a lot of Greek words have come to the English language via Latin, this is expected. If you wanted to use the closest Latin equivalent, you&#039;d probably have to go with Caelus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding geological processes on Mars, even if the planet has cooled down sufficiently that it can&#8217;t punch magma through the crust to the surface, it doesn&#8217;t mean that less energetic systems aren&#8217;t still active.</p>
<p>As for Uranus vs Ouranos (which would I&#8217;m sure end up getting pronounced as &#8220;our anus&#8221; and thus not avoiding any tedious and juvenile humour at all), quite a lot of Greek words have come to the English language via Latin, this is expected. If you wanted to use the closest Latin equivalent, you&#8217;d probably have to go with Caelus.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathy Orlinski:

I kind of wondered about that myself after reading it again.  I thought, &quot;&quot;If Mars has been volcanically dead for millions of years, how could there be some type of reaction taking place today.  I&#039;m not sure geologic processes take place when volcanic rock reacts with water, though.  (And, where is there that much water on Mars?  I know it would have to be very deep under the surface.)

Thanks for the info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathy Orlinski:</p>
<p>I kind of wondered about that myself after reading it again.  I thought, &#8220;&#8221;If Mars has been volcanically dead for millions of years, how could there be some type of reaction taking place today.  I&#8217;m not sure geologic processes take place when volcanic rock reacts with water, though.  (And, where is there that much water on Mars?  I know it would have to be very deep under the surface.)</p>
<p>Thanks for the info!</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 2.   Kwyet Dezperayshun Says:

&lt;i&gt;Test. test. Why is my regular user name seemingly blocked? What did I do? Or something really weird is going on. Sometimes I see people refer to a post #, but the actual post is a couple numbers away. &lt;/i&gt;

My sympathies, I had something like that happen not so long ago to me so I know how frustrating it can be.* I hope it gets sorted out for you.

As for the post numbers, it seems they don&#039;t take posts &quot;awaiting moderation&quot; into account and so
these come in &quot;out of sequence&quot; later &amp; mess up the numbering. I don&#039;t know if the BA can change the system so that &quot;awaiting mods&quot; posts come in with the number at which they appear or something like that? I&#039;d love to see something like this done as it does create potential confusion when the numbering changes as it does now. :-(

PS. Please BA can you write a blog post about the recent discovery of the &quot;waterworld&quot; super-Earth / gas dwarf  GJ1214?

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* See http://www.bautforum.com/forum-introductions-feedback/94241-what-happens-when-ba-blog-comments-awaiting-moderation.html for my discussion of this issue assuming you can get onto the Bad Astronomy Universe Today (BAUT) forum. I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s anything there that will apply to your case or be helpful but I hope so. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 2.   Kwyet Dezperayshun Says:</p>
<p><i>Test. test. Why is my regular user name seemingly blocked? What did I do? Or something really weird is going on. Sometimes I see people refer to a post #, but the actual post is a couple numbers away. </i></p>
<p>My sympathies, I had something like that happen not so long ago to me so I know how frustrating it can be.* I hope it gets sorted out for you.</p>
<p>As for the post numbers, it seems they don&#8217;t take posts &#8220;awaiting moderation&#8221; into account and so<br />
these come in &#8220;out of sequence&#8221; later &amp; mess up the numbering. I don&#8217;t know if the BA can change the system so that &#8220;awaiting mods&#8221; posts come in with the number at which they appear or something like that? I&#8217;d love to see something like this done as it does create potential confusion when the numbering changes as it does now. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS. Please BA can you write a blog post about the recent discovery of the &#8220;waterworld&#8221; super-Earth / gas dwarf  GJ1214?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>* See <a href="http://www.bautforum.com/forum-introductions-feedback/94241-what-happens-when-ba-blog-comments-awaiting-moderation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bautforum.com/forum-introductions-feedback/94241-what-happens-when-ba-blog-comments-awaiting-moderation.html</a> for my discussion of this issue assuming you can get onto the Bad Astronomy Universe Today (BAUT) forum. I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s anything there that will apply to your case or be helpful but I hope so. </p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Basically, a new hypothesis has come out that the large tilt of Uranus (98°) is not from a collision, but instead had its natural tilt reinforced by a large moon that has since been ejected. &lt;/i&gt;

The proper name for Uranus should really be Ouranos - the Greek spelling of the original greek god rather than the wrongly transliterated Roman spelling. I&#039;m not the only one who thinks this either there&#039;s even a facebook group &lt;i&gt;(of which I&#039;m a member but not the founding one)&lt;/i&gt; dedicated to this. See : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=189939051777

As they put it on the home page there :

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&lt;i&gt; &quot;All the planets except one are named after Roman gods, and Ouranos is the one exception. Unfortunately it has become the brunt of joke after joke due to a Latinization of the original Greek name, Ouranos. We do not call Poseidon Posidon, so why make Ouranos the exception? Ouranos is a magnificent planet that has been subject to a bromidic and stale joke for far too long.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

***

As for the sideways position of Ouranos  being due to ejecting a large moon, all I can say is ejected *how*?

Interesting idea but a bit ... um ... Velikovskian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision ) &amp; you&#039;d expect to see a bit more disruption of the Ouranousean satellite and ring systems wouldn&#039;t you?

Is there any observational evidence for this idea or is it just hypothetical?

Also is it  necessary  to explain this or is it superflous? Don&#039;t planetary axial tilts naturally vary unless they are stabilised by large moons such as is the case for Earth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Basically, a new hypothesis has come out that the large tilt of Uranus (98°) is not from a collision, but instead had its natural tilt reinforced by a large moon that has since been ejected. </i></p>
<p>The proper name for Uranus should really be Ouranos &#8211; the Greek spelling of the original greek god rather than the wrongly transliterated Roman spelling. I&#8217;m not the only one who thinks this either there&#8217;s even a facebook group <i>(of which I&#8217;m a member but not the founding one)</i> dedicated to this. See : <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=189939051777" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=189939051777</a></p>
<p>As they put it on the home page there :</p>
<p>***<br />
<i> &#8220;All the planets except one are named after Roman gods, and Ouranos is the one exception. Unfortunately it has become the brunt of joke after joke due to a Latinization of the original Greek name, Ouranos. We do not call Poseidon Posidon, so why make Ouranos the exception? Ouranos is a magnificent planet that has been subject to a bromidic and stale joke for far too long.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>***</p>
<p>As for the sideways position of Ouranos  being due to ejecting a large moon, all I can say is ejected *how*?</p>
<p>Interesting idea but a bit &#8230; um &#8230; Velikovskian (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision</a> ) &amp; you&#8217;d expect to see a bit more disruption of the Ouranousean satellite and ring systems wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Is there any observational evidence for this idea or is it just hypothetical?</p>
<p>Also is it  necessary  to explain this or is it superflous? Don&#8217;t planetary axial tilts naturally vary unless they are stabilised by large moons such as is the case for Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: Procyan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/18/skeptical-about-methane-and-uranus/#comment-210940</link>
		<dc:creator>Procyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The enzymes that methanogens use to make methane prefer lighter isotopes so there is a biological signature that is unequivocal, at least here on earth.  Would that not be the case on Mars?  What better mission than a few mass spec&#039;s plonked down at the sources of the methane plumes?  If martian methane is light, we have some hard evidence for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The enzymes that methanogens use to make methane prefer lighter isotopes so there is a biological signature that is unequivocal, at least here on earth.  Would that not be the case on Mars?  What better mission than a few mass spec&#8217;s plonked down at the sources of the methane plumes?  If martian methane is light, we have some hard evidence for life.</p>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOps, not at all sorry for the above post, but my apologies for putting it in the wrong place and not seeing the RIGHT place.  Still, the BA&#039;s response (kudos for giving one!) is weak compared to that of Sean Carroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOps, not at all sorry for the above post, but my apologies for putting it in the wrong place and not seeing the RIGHT place.  Still, the BA&#8217;s response (kudos for giving one!) is weak compared to that of Sean Carroll.</p>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/18/skeptical-about-methane-and-uranus/#comment-210938</link>
		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the great power of the skeptic: let&#039;s all hear a big HUZZAH for James Randi, who&#039;s now firmly in the camp of the anthropogenic global warming deniers.  How long until we hear the BA comment on this?  (or how long until this post sees the light of photons?  I expect the answer is the same.....).  For an INFORMED take on this that I happen to agree with totally, skip on over to a fellow blogger of  the ba, Sean Carroll, at cosmicvariance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the great power of the skeptic: let&#8217;s all hear a big HUZZAH for James Randi, who&#8217;s now firmly in the camp of the anthropogenic global warming deniers.  How long until we hear the BA comment on this?  (or how long until this post sees the light of photons?  I expect the answer is the same&#8230;..).  For an INFORMED take on this that I happen to agree with totally, skip on over to a fellow blogger of  the ba, Sean Carroll, at cosmicvariance.</p>
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