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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: GQ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/20/ark-of-descent/comment-page-2/#comment-250440</link>
		<dc:creator>GQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snark aside, it is an interesting piece on an early myth and puts the boot (further) in to the &quot;this literally happened!&quot; people.</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/20/ark-of-descent/comment-page-2/#comment-248677</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you build a boat in the same shape as a sex toy?</description>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/20/ark-of-descent/comment-page-2/#comment-248566</link>
		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t the ark be shaped like the banana?  Wouldn&#039;t that be the perfect designed shape that fits best in a global flood?  No, not the banana *boat*, the banana *ark*!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t the ark be shaped like the banana?  Wouldn&#8217;t that be the perfect designed shape that fits best in a global flood?  No, not the banana *boat*, the banana *ark*!</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Regardless if you agree with the ICR article, at least you could summarize their arguments properly.&lt;/i&gt;

Goddidit.  The Bible sez so. 

There. Took care of that for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Regardless if you agree with the ICR article, at least you could summarize their arguments properly.</i></p>
<p>Goddidit.  The Bible sez so. </p>
<p>There. Took care of that for you.</p>
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		<title>By: M B</title>
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		<dc:creator>M B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless if you agree with the ICR article, at least you could summarize their arguments properly. This is shoddy work for anyone associated with Discover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless if you agree with the ICR article, at least you could summarize their arguments properly. This is shoddy work for anyone associated with Discover.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep wanting to think this is a joke...

http://www.icr.edu/

Really?  Graduate school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep wanting to think this is a joke&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.icr.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.icr.edu/</a></p>
<p>Really?  Graduate school?</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

Or a triangle / pyramid?

Or a pentagon?

Or an octagon?

Or a dodecahedron?

Hey, why not? ;-)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t be stupid, it obviously has to be a ditrigonal dodecicosidodecahedron</description>
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<p>Or a triangle / pyramid?</p>
<p>Or a pentagon?</p>
<p>Or an octagon?</p>
<p>Or a dodecahedron?</p>
<p>Hey, why not? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t be stupid, it obviously has to be a ditrigonal dodecicosidodecahedron</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/20/ark-of-descent/comment-page-2/#comment-248276</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic but something else that should cheese off the &lt;strike&gt; flat earther&lt;/strike&gt; creationist fundamentalists : 

Via wikipedia main page - &quot;in the news&quot; sidebar : 

&lt;Blockquote&gt;IUPAC officially names the element with atomic number of 112 as copernicium in honour of Nicolaus Copernicus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because Copernicus too contradicted the Bible. After all, apparently it was Written that the Sun not our  Earth  had to stand still at that biblical battle of Joshua&#039;s :roll: &amp; poor ole Galileo Galilei and Giordano Bruno were rather badly treated &lt;i&gt;(to say the least!)&lt;/i&gt; for insisting on what we now know is true. Plus Copernicus himself probably only escaped because his opus on the heliocentric theory was published as he died. Even then they insisted on a forward saying it was &quot;just a theory.&quot; Sound familiar? 

See more : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicium 
 
PS. I&#039;d email this news to the BA to blog on here but I&#039;m not sure whether he&#039;d get it as I don&#039;t know if my emails are going through or not. Can you hear me BA? Over? Anyone who wants to let him know &amp; knows they can get through to him please be my guest .. so t&#039;speak!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic but something else that should cheese off the <strike> flat earther</strike> creationist fundamentalists : </p>
<p>Via wikipedia main page &#8211; &#8220;in the news&#8221; sidebar : </p>
<blockquote><p>IUPAC officially names the element with atomic number of 112 as copernicium in honour of Nicolaus Copernicus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because Copernicus too contradicted the Bible. After all, apparently it was Written that the Sun not our  Earth  had to stand still at that biblical battle of Joshua&#8217;s <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  &#038; poor ole Galileo Galilei and Giordano Bruno were rather badly treated <i>(to say the least!)</i> for insisting on what we now know is true. Plus Copernicus himself probably only escaped because his opus on the heliocentric theory was published as he died. Even then they insisted on a forward saying it was &#8220;just a theory.&#8221; Sound familiar? </p>
<p>See more : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicium" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicium</a> </p>
<p>PS. I&#8217;d email this news to the BA to blog on here but I&#8217;m not sure whether he&#8217;d get it as I don&#8217;t know if my emails are going through or not. Can you hear me BA? Over? Anyone who wants to let him know &#038; knows they can get through to him please be my guest .. so t&#8217;speak!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Plutonium being from Pluto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plutonium being from Pluto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a triangle / pyramid? 

Or a pentagon? 

Or an octagon?

Or a dodecahedron? 

Hey, why not? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or a triangle / pyramid? </p>
<p>Or a pentagon? </p>
<p>Or an octagon?</p>
<p>Or a dodecahedron? </p>
<p>Hey, why not? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bjoern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjoern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pi-needles: &quot;One final minor nit – I thought the Babylonian “noah” was named ‘Utnaptishim’ or something like that not Atram-Hasis, no?&quot;

The name varies, depending on the source and the language. See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pi-needles: &#8220;One final minor nit – I thought the Babylonian “noah” was named ‘Utnaptishim’ or something like that not Atram-Hasis, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>The name varies, depending on the source and the language. See e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see anything in the Bible that contradicts my theory that Noah&#039;s Ark was shaped like a Mayan pyramid.</description>
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		<title>By: Surreptitious Evil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/20/ark-of-descent/comment-page-1/#comment-248247</link>
		<dc:creator>Surreptitious Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;original&quot;, at least in regards of the first translated &quot;Flood Tablet&quot; is the British Museum one, which can be seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/GOe8Mt6vRdSNcg-yeivrEA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  This is the George Smith / 1872 tablet mentioned at the bottom of the Guardian article.  It doesn&#039;t say that the Ark should be round but it does say;

&quot;The boat you will build, her dimensions all shall be equal: her length and breadth shall be the same.&quot;

Other tablets, either directly of the myth of Atra-Hasis or the version of that incorporated into the Gilgamesh story, put the length at 120 cubits, whatever a cubit happened to be at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;original&#8221;, at least in regards of the first translated &#8220;Flood Tablet&#8221; is the British Museum one, which can be seen <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/GOe8Mt6vRdSNcg-yeivrEA" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  This is the George Smith / 1872 tablet mentioned at the bottom of the Guardian article.  It doesn&#8217;t say that the Ark should be round but it does say;</p>
<p>&#8220;The boat you will build, her dimensions all shall be equal: her length and breadth shall be the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other tablets, either directly of the myth of Atra-Hasis or the version of that incorporated into the Gilgamesh story, put the length at 120 cubits, whatever a cubit happened to be at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/20/ark-of-descent/comment-page-1/#comment-248243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>23.   Rift Says: &quot;Leave Kansas alone, or better yet praise Kansas for voting pro-science people into the School Board. Kansas should be held as a shining example of voters voting FOR science.&quot;

Kansas has the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson. That moves it to the top of the list in my book.

BTW, loved the Brittany Spears reference, even if inadvertent.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>23.   Rift Says: &#8220;Leave Kansas alone, or better yet praise Kansas for voting pro-science people into the School Board. Kansas should be held as a shining example of voters voting FOR science.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kansas has the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson. That moves it to the top of the list in my book.</p>
<p>BTW, loved the Brittany Spears reference, even if inadvertent.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The most common shape for liferafts, these days, is round, for very many good reasons. A pointy “boat-shaped” boat needs to be kept pointed into the wind and waves, which would have been impossible for Noah to do, especially in the Flood, whereas a round vessel can be left to drift. A flat-sided boat, such as a barge, cross-wise to the waves, is gonna get smacked very hard, broken and rolled over. A round, flexy boat, made of reeds would be a much safer and easier craft to make, and better to be in/on. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
When you are dealing with 6 inches &lt;i&gt;per minute&lt;/I&gt; of rain, it doesn&#039;t really matter what the boat is made out of or what shape it is, you are going to be in a lot of trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The most common shape for liferafts, these days, is round, for very many good reasons. A pointy “boat-shaped” boat needs to be kept pointed into the wind and waves, which would have been impossible for Noah to do, especially in the Flood, whereas a round vessel can be left to drift. A flat-sided boat, such as a barge, cross-wise to the waves, is gonna get smacked very hard, broken and rolled over. A round, flexy boat, made of reeds would be a much safer and easier craft to make, and better to be in/on. </p></blockquote>
<p>When you are dealing with 6 inches <i>per minute</i> of rain, it doesn&#8217;t really matter what the boat is made out of or what shape it is, you are going to be in a lot of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: DLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ark could not have been round for good sound scientific reasons :
The bible clearly states it was 450ft* long 75 ft* wide and 45ft* high. 
with such a clear, concise authority, how could it possibly have been round ?
See how simple it all is ?

*as the foot did not exist as a unit of measurement when Genesis was cribbed from the legend of Gilgamesh, the ark would have been measured out in Cubits, which are arbitrarily (by contemporay standards) about 1.5 ft in length. However, it has also been suggested that in biblical times a cubit was closer to 30 inches in length, which would have made the ark larger.
Yes, sports fans, Biblical inerrency at it&#039;s finest!
Oh, and  besides, they couldn&#039;t have measured a circle properly, because according to the bible the ratio of the circumference of a circle to it&#039;s diameter is 3.00. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ark could not have been round for good sound scientific reasons :<br />
The bible clearly states it was 450ft* long 75 ft* wide and 45ft* high.<br />
with such a clear, concise authority, how could it possibly have been round ?<br />
See how simple it all is ?</p>
<p>*as the foot did not exist as a unit of measurement when Genesis was cribbed from the legend of Gilgamesh, the ark would have been measured out in Cubits, which are arbitrarily (by contemporay standards) about 1.5 ft in length. However, it has also been suggested that in biblical times a cubit was closer to 30 inches in length, which would have made the ark larger.<br />
Yes, sports fans, Biblical inerrency at it&#8217;s finest!<br />
Oh, and  besides, they couldn&#8217;t have measured a circle properly, because according to the bible the ratio of the circumference of a circle to it&#8217;s diameter is 3.00.</p>
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		<title>By: Pi-needles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pi-needles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The tablet goes on to command the use of plaited palm fibre... &lt;/i&gt;

Crikey, they must have had hairy palms back then! ;-)

Almost monkey like in fact .. ;-) 

(Looks at hands, thinks of something that&#039;s probably too rude to be said here.)

Interesting to note how the Creationist put it too : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;b&gt;*If*&lt;/b&gt; the flood of Noah indeed wiped out the entire human race and its civilization, as the Bible teaches, then the ark constitutes the one remaining major link to the pre-flood world,&quot; says John D Morris of the Institute for Creation &quot;Research.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

(Emphasis - &amp; air quotes - mine.)

If? I&#039;m surprised Mr Morris can allow himself to say &#039;if&#039; with the implied possibility of .. well *other* possibilities rather than absolute certainty here. 

Maybe he&#039;s starting to lose his faith? We can but hope. ;-) 

I didn&#039;t think the article was &quot;without skepticism&quot; personally - indeed it seemed to be taking a definite standpoint that the ark / reed raft was mythical.  The tone seemed light and humorous-ish rather than overly serious to me. 

The thought occurs that the tablet could well be fake as I think a lot of the Arab market sellers at the time were in the habit of &quot;creating&quot; rather than &quot;discovering&quot; many of their purported &quot;ancient artefacts&quot;* but then I guess the museum did authenticate it.  

One final minor nit - I thought the Babylonian &quot;noah&quot; was named &#039;Utnaptishim&#039; or something like that &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; Atram-Hasis, no?

---- 

* There&#039;s a good scene on this in the Aussie movie &lt;i&gt;Gallipoli &lt;/i&gt; that springs to mind where a bunch of Aussie soldiers training in Egypt &lt;i&gt;(I think)&lt;/i&gt; take revenge on one such &quot;antiquities&quot; seller after one of them is conned into buying a stack of such faked curios at inflated prices. Based on a true story? Don&#039;t know but wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The tablet goes on to command the use of plaited palm fibre&#8230; </i></p>
<p>Crikey, they must have had hairy palms back then! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Almost monkey like in fact .. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>(Looks at hands, thinks of something that&#8217;s probably too rude to be said here.)</p>
<p>Interesting to note how the Creationist put it too : </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<b>*If*</b> the flood of Noah indeed wiped out the entire human race and its civilization, as the Bible teaches, then the ark constitutes the one remaining major link to the pre-flood world,&#8221; says John D Morris of the Institute for Creation &#8220;Research.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Emphasis &#8211; &#038; air quotes &#8211; mine.)</p>
<p>If? I&#8217;m surprised Mr Morris can allow himself to say &#8216;if&#8217; with the implied possibility of .. well *other* possibilities rather than absolute certainty here. </p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s starting to lose his faith? We can but hope. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think the article was &#8220;without skepticism&#8221; personally &#8211; indeed it seemed to be taking a definite standpoint that the ark / reed raft was mythical.  The tone seemed light and humorous-ish rather than overly serious to me. </p>
<p>The thought occurs that the tablet could well be fake as I think a lot of the Arab market sellers at the time were in the habit of &#8220;creating&#8221; rather than &#8220;discovering&#8221; many of their purported &#8220;ancient artefacts&#8221;* but then I guess the museum did authenticate it.  </p>
<p>One final minor nit &#8211; I thought the Babylonian &#8220;noah&#8221; was named &#8216;Utnaptishim&#8217; or something like that <b>not</b> Atram-Hasis, no?</p>
<p>&#8212;- </p>
<p>* There&#8217;s a good scene on this in the Aussie movie <i>Gallipoli </i> that springs to mind where a bunch of Aussie soldiers training in Egypt <i>(I think)</i> take revenge on one such &#8220;antiquities&#8221; seller after one of them is conned into buying a stack of such faked curios at inflated prices. Based on a true story? Don&#8217;t know but wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Plutonium being from Pluto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plutonium being from Pluto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 40.   Vagueofgodalming Says: 

&lt;i&gt;Noah’s Ark may have been round. 

Yeah, but that’s not enough. I’m not paying this story any attention unless they can show it cleared its neighbourhood. &lt;/i&gt;

LOL! Great Pluto reference! :-)

@ 43.   Grendel Says: 

&lt;i&gt;“…analogous to finding an early script of Star Wars where the Death Star is a cube.” I’d assume the Borg had arrived in the Star Wars Universe. &lt;/i&gt;

Durn, you beat me to it. &lt;i&gt;Star Wars / Trek&lt;/i&gt; crossover with the Borg versus the Rebel Alliance &amp;/or Empire anybody? 

Meanwhile, the USS &lt;i&gt;Enterprise / Defiant / Voyager&lt;/i&gt; (take your pick! ;-) ) encounters a strange spherical artificial moon-like station and a black caped asthmatic Sith Lord ... ;-) 

PS. Am I the only person who ever wondered what Darth Vader would sound like when he sneezed? ;-) 

PPS. Off topic but thought y&#039;all may like to read that the Shuttle &lt;i&gt;Endeavour&lt;/i&gt; has now undocked from the now 98% completed International Space Station and is heading home on Sunday night - see : 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/19/tech/main6225049.shtml?tag=latest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 40.   Vagueofgodalming Says: </p>
<p><i>Noah’s Ark may have been round. </p>
<p>Yeah, but that’s not enough. I’m not paying this story any attention unless they can show it cleared its neighbourhood. </i></p>
<p>LOL! Great Pluto reference! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ 43.   Grendel Says: </p>
<p><i>“…analogous to finding an early script of Star Wars where the Death Star is a cube.” I’d assume the Borg had arrived in the Star Wars Universe. </i></p>
<p>Durn, you beat me to it. <i>Star Wars / Trek</i> crossover with the Borg versus the Rebel Alliance &#038;/or Empire anybody? </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the USS <i>Enterprise / Defiant / Voyager</i> (take your pick! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) encounters a strange spherical artificial moon-like station and a black caped asthmatic Sith Lord &#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>PS. Am I the only person who ever wondered what Darth Vader would sound like when he sneezed? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>PPS. Off topic but thought y&#8217;all may like to read that the Shuttle <i>Endeavour</i> has now undocked from the now 98% completed International Space Station and is heading home on Sunday night &#8211; see : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/19/tech/main6225049.shtml?tag=latest" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/19/tech/main6225049.shtml?tag=latest</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“…analogous to finding an early script of Star Wars where the Death Star is a cube.”

I&#039;d assume the Borg had arrived in the Star Wars Universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…analogous to finding an early script of Star Wars where the Death Star is a cube.”</p>
<p>I&#8217;d assume the Borg had arrived in the Star Wars Universe.</p>
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		<title>By: mln84</title>
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		<dc:creator>mln84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5. Billingham Says:

“…analogous to finding an early script of Star Wars where the Death Star is a cube.”


That&#039;s no (game) cube; that&#039;s a playstation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5. Billingham Says:</p>
<p>“…analogous to finding an early script of Star Wars where the Death Star is a cube.”</p>
<p>That&#8217;s no (game) cube; that&#8217;s a playstation!</p>
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		<title>By: Chanelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]13.   Hannu Siivonen Says: 
So the annual finding of Noah’s arch was early this year. Maybe we’ll get two
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Would that make it blue?  So if it is blue and round....I know, the ark was the world&#039;s first racquetball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]13.   Hannu Siivonen Says:<br />
So the annual finding of Noah’s arch was early this year. Maybe we’ll get two<br />
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<p>Would that make it blue?  So if it is blue and round&#8230;.I know, the ark was the world&#8217;s first racquetball.</p>
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		<title>By: Vagueofgodalming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vagueofgodalming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Noah’s Ark may have been round. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but that&#039;s not enough. I&#039;m not paying this story any attention unless they can show it cleared its neighbourhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Noah’s Ark may have been round. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, but that&#8217;s not enough. I&#8217;m not paying this story any attention unless they can show it cleared its neighbourhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Menyambal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menyambal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Disco Tute guy is obviously not a sailor man. There are a lot of things wrong with his article. 

&quot;If a circular vessel started to spin on the water...&quot; And just what would make it start to spin? Wind from one side? Turbulent water would not spin a round craft much, but swirling currents would take a long craft for a wild ride.

The most common shape for liferafts, these days, is round, for very many good reasons. A pointy &quot;boat-shaped&quot; boat needs to be kept pointed into the wind and waves, which would have been impossible for Noah to do, especially in the Flood, whereas a round vessel can be left to drift. A flat-sided boat, such as a barge, cross-wise to the waves, is gonna get smacked very hard, broken and rolled over. A round, flexy boat, made of reeds would be a much safer and easier craft to make, and better to be in/on. 

A BIG, flat reed mat would ride over the waves, and in flexing, dissipate the force of the waves. That would be the best thing for comfort, hull strength, and stability.

There&#039;s more, but I don&#039;t care to list it all. Look at life rafts. And ask yourself just how Noah was going to keep a damned large, barge-like watercraft pointed into huge frickin&#039; waves rolling in from all directions during a violently turbulent flood event. He&#039;d need a motor, a sail, oars or a sea-anchor, just to keep oriented into a storm that was coming in from only one direction. In a chaotic world-wide flood, he&#039;d catch a wave wrong, get stove in, rolled or just plain swamped.

And who&#039;s bailing the barge? A reed raft doen&#039;t need bailing out, but a big barge is gonna leak like crazy, pitched or not, especially since he never let the timbers soak and swell before loading and launching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Disco Tute guy is obviously not a sailor man. There are a lot of things wrong with his article. </p>
<p>&#8220;If a circular vessel started to spin on the water&#8230;&#8221; And just what would make it start to spin? Wind from one side? Turbulent water would not spin a round craft much, but swirling currents would take a long craft for a wild ride.</p>
<p>The most common shape for liferafts, these days, is round, for very many good reasons. A pointy &#8220;boat-shaped&#8221; boat needs to be kept pointed into the wind and waves, which would have been impossible for Noah to do, especially in the Flood, whereas a round vessel can be left to drift. A flat-sided boat, such as a barge, cross-wise to the waves, is gonna get smacked very hard, broken and rolled over. A round, flexy boat, made of reeds would be a much safer and easier craft to make, and better to be in/on. </p>
<p>A BIG, flat reed mat would ride over the waves, and in flexing, dissipate the force of the waves. That would be the best thing for comfort, hull strength, and stability.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more, but I don&#8217;t care to list it all. Look at life rafts. And ask yourself just how Noah was going to keep a damned large, barge-like watercraft pointed into huge frickin&#8217; waves rolling in from all directions during a violently turbulent flood event. He&#8217;d need a motor, a sail, oars or a sea-anchor, just to keep oriented into a storm that was coming in from only one direction. In a chaotic world-wide flood, he&#8217;d catch a wave wrong, get stove in, rolled or just plain swamped.</p>
<p>And who&#8217;s bailing the barge? A reed raft doen&#8217;t need bailing out, but a big barge is gonna leak like crazy, pitched or not, especially since he never let the timbers soak and swell before loading and launching.</p>
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		<title>By: John Paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;36.   kuhnigget Says:

@ Rift:

“disco tute” — ha!

Disco toot? — ha ha!&lt;/I&gt;

Okay, enough about cocaine.....

J/P=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>36.   kuhnigget Says:</p>
<p>@ Rift:</p>
<p>“disco tute” — ha!</p>
<p>Disco toot? — ha ha!</i></p>
<p>Okay, enough about cocaine&#8230;..</p>
<p>J/P=?</p>
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		<title>By: Woof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider a spherical horse...</description>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rift:

&quot;disco tute&quot; -- ha!  

Disco toot? -- ha ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rift:</p>
<p>&#8220;disco tute&#8221; &#8212; ha!  </p>
<p>Disco toot? &#8212; ha ha!</p>
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