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		<title>By: shyla stylez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/21/you-cant-resolve-away-climate-change/#comment-222282</link>
		<dc:creator>shyla stylez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>such tools and they don&#039;t even know it. tsk, tsk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>such tools and they don&#8217;t even know it. tsk, tsk.</p>
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		<title>By: Morcheeb Sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morcheeb Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>84.   Lonny Eachus Says:
February 21st, 2010 at 2:32 pm
&quot;The very last sentence in the article: “And if other states follow suit, they may doom all of us.” shows once and for all that Phil is hardly objective about this, which is something I have suspected for a while now.&quot;

You Lonny have shown us that you are not objective either. In fact you lick the boots of  Anthony Watts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>84.   Lonny Eachus Says:<br />
February 21st, 2010 at 2:32 pm<br />
&#8220;The very last sentence in the article: “And if other states follow suit, they may doom all of us.” shows once and for all that Phil is hardly objective about this, which is something I have suspected for a while now.&#8221;</p>
<p>You Lonny have shown us that you are not objective either. In fact you lick the boots of  Anthony Watts.</p>
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		<title>By: RachelWatch: Hippity Hoppity Health Care Reform &#124; News Story on 365gay.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>RachelWatch: Hippity Hoppity Health Care Reform &#124; News Story on 365gay.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] public schools in the state should teach that a variety of things can affect the weather, including some stuff that’s just made up. Next up: a resolution that the Great Pacific Garbage Patch is caused by [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim (#354): &lt;i&gt;&quot;Lastly, the people who say that Solar PV would never be viable are still right and there is no sign of that changing. The capital cost per kW is simply too high.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Tim, you say you&#039;re in favor of R&amp;D and innovation, yet you discount any possibility of solar cells coming down enough in cost to compete &#8212; when in fact they have been coming down in cost, and getting more efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim (#354): <i>&#8220;Lastly, the people who say that Solar PV would never be viable are still right and there is no sign of that changing. The capital cost per kW is simply too high.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Tim, you say you&#8217;re in favor of R&amp;D and innovation, yet you discount any possibility of solar cells coming down enough in cost to compete &mdash; when in fact they have been coming down in cost, and getting more efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim (#283) wrote: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Economic illiteracy is the biggest problem with the AGW crowd. There would not even be a discussion if more people had even a basic grasp of economics.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I guess Paul Krugman cheated on his doctoral thesis, and bribed the Nobel committee. And Lord Stern, now there&#039;s an economic nincompoop.

Regarding your continued assertion that there is no economic solution to CO2 in alternative energy, you need to explain why wind energy is a growth industry, why solar PV and solar thermal plants are being built, why Home Depot is beginning to sell do-it-yourself solar kits, and why geothermal and ocean energy are starting to get some investments. Sure, subsidies and tax credits are involved, but when has that not been true for fossil fuels and nuclear fission?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim (#283) wrote: <i>&#8220;Economic illiteracy is the biggest problem with the AGW crowd. There would not even be a discussion if more people had even a basic grasp of economics.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I guess Paul Krugman cheated on his doctoral thesis, and bribed the Nobel committee. And Lord Stern, now there&#8217;s an economic nincompoop.</p>
<p>Regarding your continued assertion that there is no economic solution to CO2 in alternative energy, you need to explain why wind energy is a growth industry, why solar PV and solar thermal plants are being built, why Home Depot is beginning to sell do-it-yourself solar kits, and why geothermal and ocean energy are starting to get some investments. Sure, subsidies and tax credits are involved, but when has that not been true for fossil fuels and nuclear fission?</p>
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		<title>By: John Paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Plutonium being from Pluto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plutonium being from Pluto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that this discussion / debate incl. my reply to some folks here continues on the latest BA AGW thread here :

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/24/nasa-talks-global-warming/comment-page-4/#comment-249552  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that this discussion / debate incl. my reply to some folks here continues on the latest BA AGW thread here :</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/24/nasa-talks-global-warming/comment-page-4/#comment-249552" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/24/nasa-talks-global-warming/comment-page-4/#comment-249552</a>  </p>
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		<title>By: Pi-needles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pi-needles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 362.   Bill Says:

&lt;i&gt;Unfortunately all these books actually refer to Oxygen as “The Gas of Life”.
“Animal Chauvinist!”
The Blue Chick from Farscape…&lt;/i&gt;

LOL. :-)

If I recall right her name was Zhaan, yes? ;-)

[Checks &amp; returns] Yes indeed :

&lt;blockquote&gt; *  Pa&#039;u Zotoh Zhaan (Virginia Hey), a bald, blue-skinned female who belongs to a plant-like species, named Delvians. Once a Priestess of her religious order, Zhaan murdered her lover after discovering he was a Peacekeeper collaborator. Regarded as an anarchist by her captors, she was jailed along with D&#039;Argo and Rygel. Like other members of her species, Zhaan is a telepath; she can share &quot;unity&quot; with other beings (two minds in one body, they can share thoughts, sensations...) and also, as a Pa&#039;u, she is able to share pain with another being. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good ole Wikipedia to the rescue as ever :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape#Main_characters

Hmm .. Very um &quot;Pandoran Na&#039;vi&quot; like isn&#039;t she? Wonder if there&#039;ll be a plagiarism case on that? ;-)

PS. Yegods! 365 comments here now - one of everyday of the year? Clearly this is the topic &lt;i&gt;de jour&lt;/i&gt; indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 362.   Bill Says:</p>
<p><i>Unfortunately all these books actually refer to Oxygen as “The Gas of Life”.<br />
“Animal Chauvinist!”<br />
The Blue Chick from Farscape…</i></p>
<p>LOL. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If I recall right her name was Zhaan, yes? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[Checks &amp; returns] Yes indeed :</p>
<blockquote><p> *  Pa&#8217;u Zotoh Zhaan (Virginia Hey), a bald, blue-skinned female who belongs to a plant-like species, named Delvians. Once a Priestess of her religious order, Zhaan murdered her lover after discovering he was a Peacekeeper collaborator. Regarded as an anarchist by her captors, she was jailed along with D&#8217;Argo and Rygel. Like other members of her species, Zhaan is a telepath; she can share &#8220;unity&#8221; with other beings (two minds in one body, they can share thoughts, sensations&#8230;) and also, as a Pa&#8217;u, she is able to share pain with another being. </p></blockquote>
<p>Good ole Wikipedia to the rescue as ever :</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape#Main_characters" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape#Main_characters</a></p>
<p>Hmm .. Very um &#8220;Pandoran Na&#8217;vi&#8221; like isn&#8217;t she? Wonder if there&#8217;ll be a plagiarism case on that? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS. Yegods! 365 comments here now &#8211; one of everyday of the year? Clearly this is the topic <i>de jour</i> indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: fred edison</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred edison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some say there&#039;s no scientific evidence for climate change, but I think that assertion is weak and doesn&#039;t hold water.

There&#039;s a PBS NOVA program you can watch online called &#039;Extreme Cave Diving&#039; (see link below).  In the last 50 years it&#039;s estimated there&#039;s been a ten fold increase in the amount of dust storms in the African Sahara Desert because of severe drought.  It is theorized that thousands of years in the past, much of this generated dust from dust storms reached the upper atmosphere where it traveled thousands of miles settling near the blue hole rich Bahamas.  Blue hole (underwater caves formed during the last ice) diver scientists have discovered climate change evidence on the cave walls, which have a thick layer of iron laden dust in them.   The caves also contain ancient stalagmites.  Cross-section samples of these formations show a distinct band of this iron laden dust in conjunction with periods of major climate changes during the last 80,000 years.  IOW, what we&#039;re experiencing with the increase of dust storms is fitting the historical pattern of accelerated and major climate change as recorded in stalagmites, and preserved in the (currently) pristine blue holes.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/  (41 minutes in for stalagmite discussion)

Of course, all of the climate change evidence that neatly corroborates with ice core sample findings (and other areas of climate research), will probably mean absolutely nothing to the scientific evidence rejectors and reality deniers.  It&#039;s just &quot;natural changes&quot; to them.  I hope they&#039;re right but I wouldn&#039;t bet a penny on it.  Some of these dramatic changes could happen in their lifetime or at the latest their children&#039;s lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some say there&#8217;s no scientific evidence for climate change, but I think that assertion is weak and doesn&#8217;t hold water.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a PBS NOVA program you can watch online called &#8216;Extreme Cave Diving&#8217; (see link below).  In the last 50 years it&#8217;s estimated there&#8217;s been a ten fold increase in the amount of dust storms in the African Sahara Desert because of severe drought.  It is theorized that thousands of years in the past, much of this generated dust from dust storms reached the upper atmosphere where it traveled thousands of miles settling near the blue hole rich Bahamas.  Blue hole (underwater caves formed during the last ice) diver scientists have discovered climate change evidence on the cave walls, which have a thick layer of iron laden dust in them.   The caves also contain ancient stalagmites.  Cross-section samples of these formations show a distinct band of this iron laden dust in conjunction with periods of major climate changes during the last 80,000 years.  IOW, what we&#8217;re experiencing with the increase of dust storms is fitting the historical pattern of accelerated and major climate change as recorded in stalagmites, and preserved in the (currently) pristine blue holes.</p>
<p><a href="http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/" rel="nofollow">http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/</a>  (41 minutes in for stalagmite discussion)</p>
<p>Of course, all of the climate change evidence that neatly corroborates with ice core sample findings (and other areas of climate research), will probably mean absolutely nothing to the scientific evidence rejectors and reality deniers.  It&#8217;s just &#8220;natural changes&#8221; to them.  I hope they&#8217;re right but I wouldn&#8217;t bet a penny on it.  Some of these dramatic changes could happen in their lifetime or at the latest their children&#8217;s lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like to point out as a former South Dakotan (now living in beautiful secular-humanist Seattle; we got out right around the time they were trying to ban abortion a few years back), that while I&#039;m sure many would appreciate a milder winter, summers are at least as miserable.  As in heat waves around 110-120 degrees.  So I think it&#039;s more likely a genuine disbelief than any desire for the weather to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like to point out as a former South Dakotan (now living in beautiful secular-humanist Seattle; we got out right around the time they were trying to ban abortion a few years back), that while I&#8217;m sure many would appreciate a milder winter, summers are at least as miserable.  As in heat waves around 110-120 degrees.  So I think it&#8217;s more likely a genuine disbelief than any desire for the weather to change.</p>
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