By Phil Plait | March 20, 2010 10:30 am

Today, March 20, at 17:32 GMT (1:32 p.m. EST) — after three months of crawling northward — the center of the Sun will lie on the celestial equator, heralding the moment of the vernal equinox.

Or, more understandably, if somewhat less correctly, spring will arrive.

But someone really needs to tell New Mexico (where I’m currently traveling). I don’t think the weather watches the news here.

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Comments (61)

  1. Thameron

    Speaking of weather. Why isn’t meteorology the study of meteors? And what do they call people who specialize in the study of meteors?

  2. 1) Global Warming causes abnormally high temperatures and desiccation.
    2) Global Warming has no effect on weather, only on climate.
    3) Global Warming causes abnormally low temeperatures and flooding.
    4) Anybody who denies Global Warming is thereby proven unqualified to comment.

  3. Floyd

    Phil: This is New Mexico after all. We have summer, fall, winter, and wind. Spring is the blustery season here, often including the snow that fell this morning (in Albuquerque anyway).

    While I don’t know which way you’re driving to Boulder, we live in Albuquerque, which is a good place to weather the storm.

  4. Floyd

    Meteoritics: the study of meteors (which don’t hit the ground)and meteorites (which do hit the ground).

  5. Thameron


    So would that make the person who studies meteors a meteoritician? Or would that just be a corpulent orator?

  6. Glenn

    Is the timezone or the time the typo? Except for Indiana, nobody’s on EST at the moment. (The majority of the Eastern US is on Eastern *Daylight* Time)

  7. Glenn

    Nitpicker’s alert:

    glenn@toucan:~$ TZ=EST date
    Sat Mar 20 12:37:33 EST 2010
    glenn@toucan:~$ TZ=GMT date
    Sat Mar 20 17:37:38 GMT 2010
    glenn@toucan:~$ date
    Sat Mar 20 13:37:40 EDT 2010

  8. Apparently not in the Midwest either, Kansas City is experiencing snowfall on the first day of spring. Sigh.

  9. Erica

    Thank you for for writing about this…my husband and I have had this discussion many times. Now I have someone to back me up! If we could just get calendars to change…

  10. Dylan

    Phil, are you in new mexico for a purpose other than enjoying our bi-polar weather? Like say speaking somewhere? Or judging a local chili contest? I’m hoping you’re giving a talk that I somehow missed hearing about.

  11. Oops! The image was up, but then Twitpic barfed. I moved it to Flickr, so it should show up now.

  12. Uncle Al (#2): If you ever have something of content to say, then please feel free to say it. But what you posted here is nonsense. Global warming does affect weather, and can result in rain and snow in places that don’t usually experience it. If you’re going to resort to quoting far-right talking points, at least use ones that aren’t trivially debunked.

  13. Floyd

    #5: At least at the University of New Mexico, the people who study meteorites (and they have some really large ones to study in their meteorite museum) are mostly geologists, and are members of the Geology Department.

    Your mileage may vary wherever it is that you live.

  14. Glenn

    Phil @ 12: The problem is that when there is ‘hot’ weather, the bozos who ‘agree’ with AGW because it makes them feel good about their political beliefs point to it as proof of AGW (even if people who actually know what they’re talking about know that it’s no such thing.)

    Then when “cold” weather happens those same bozos say “it’s just weather it doesn’t mean anything.”

    None of which has anything to do with whether the Earth is or is not warming on average in recent history or whether human actions do or do not have anything to do with that or what we should or should not do about the first two.

    The first two are facts that can be determined scientifically. The last is a political question. Too many people on both sides are using the ‘wrong’ kind of arguments to ‘settle’ each of them.

  15. Spring started 6 weeks ago (Groundhog day). The seasons as we understand them in our Western culture are off by 6 weeks from reality. The Equinoxes and Solstices should be seen as the mid-point of their respective seasons. At least from an agricultural perspective…
    The ancients didn’t name the solstices Mid-Summer and Mid-Winter for no reason after all…

  16. Glenn, while we’re nitpicking, Indiana observes DST now. Arizona and Hawaii are the only states still in the dark ages… so to speak.

  17. jcm

    That would be Autumn in the Southern Hemisphere!

  18. @Carey #16 The trucking company that I use to work for still updates their drivers about Hawaii not observing DST. I am still trying to find out where I can get on the secret highway to drive there. 😉

  19. Evan Harper


  20. Levi in NY

    It’s feeling very springlike here in New York!

  21. Jimi

    Yep. 71 lovely degrees outside yesterday. Now I got about four inches of sleet, snow and freezing rain on the ground, and another 4-6 inches forcast for the next day. And my “Jane” magnolias just bloomed 2 days ago for the first time since I planted them, 2 yrs ago.


  22. Dubbins

    Just wait until you get home! I shoveled about 12″ of the white stuff of my drive way yesterday. Of course, in typical Colorado schizophrenic weather fashion, the sun is shining & most is melted already. I consider it a free soaking of the lawn…

  23. Jeffersonian

    And yet both viewpoints are correct because they’re not in opposition. (Average temps in locations being increasingly warmer AND weather patterns becoming increasingly disrupted).
    Incredibly, you:
    a)Made a conclusion that you can’t possibly make both observations simultaneously
    b)Turned the observation into something political based rather than observational
    c)Suggested that climatic conditions have nothing to do with climate change

    Since you assume that people observing climate change are doing so merely to fit their political beliefs, I’m going to assume you entered only recently (after politicians became largely involved) and were absolutely clueless, say, 15 years ago. (You can pretty much tell the deniers who actually deny because of their political beliefs – they point the political finger).
    It’s not very often that the jetstream sits over New Mexico (and the southern tier states) for months as it has this winter. It’s given record ski conditions to New Mexico and made conditions in Wyoming/Montana/Utah lousy. It happens every so often and is a commonly understood condition (the region is sometimes blocked for months on end by the “Four-corner High”). When low pressure/jetstream positions itself as it has, moisture form the Sea of Cortez tends to get mixed in, creating storm conditions (states to the north get moisture from longer-range storms originating in the ‘Gulf of Alaska generator’). Results: a 12.5 foot snowpack currently at the Santa Fe ski area versus 3.5 feet at Steamboat Colorado. A record level at Santa Fe and the reverse for normal at these two locations.

    This last storm also did a classic reverse-upslope, heading north up the east slope of the Rockies, stalling over Denver metro leaving 4-28″ depending on exact location. (Something happens anywhere from twice a year to once every decade because conditions have to be perfect to occur). It’s great stuff for weather watchers (if it sucks for winter sportsman outside of Flagstaff, Santa Fe and the San Juans).
    I figure that in the RM timezone, today’s the last day of winter and tomorrow’s the first full day of spring. The sun crosses the equator at 11:32 local time, so all morning was still technically winter (and most of the day as well in California, Hawaii). Since I woke up to winter, I’m calling it the last day of winter. Our sunrise is 6:04 with sunset at 18:13 (we already passed the longer-days mark on the 17th due to location/inclination/position within timezone factors).

  24. Torbjörn Larsson, OM

    @ Glenn: That is anecdotal, and I have certainly never experienced such “bozo’s” myself.

    And there aren’t any two sides in this question as regards science, AGW is what climatology science has found.

    Since we are on that subject: Two weeks ago there was a WISE paper that presented evidence that modeling now results in AGW at 2 sigma uncertainty, i.e. 5 % of the simulations result in the current GW trend by pure noise effects. [This site puts link comments on hold, so you have to google the reference.]

    IIRC the IPCC -07 report claimed 80 % certainty, but as far as the climate models go I believe of ~ 20 000 simulations in sundry papers only 60 % resulted in AGW. It is interesting to note how fast the AGW vs modeling trend goes.

    Actually it is a nonlinear problem. Two relatively close distributions (noise and AGW + roughly the same noise) overlap but are driven apart. To get an estimate one can approximate this with the same area on one tail. Further one can approximate with a normal distribution and then use the probit function to get an estimate of the rate of the diminishing overlap.

    Deriving a lower bound we can use the 80 % to 95 % certainty change, and note that IPCC – 07 data was updated earliest from IPCC -01. Eyeballing Wikipedias probit diagram I get ~ 0.8 probits/10 year, and that the same probits will get us to 98-99 % certainty or ~ 3 sigma in at most a decade.

    The prediction is then that the next IPCC -14 will likely miss 3 sigma certainty, but not by much. (Especially since the currently observed 0.15 K/10 year GW trend will likely increase.)

    If 2 sigma (or really 1.3 sigma at IPCC -07) satisfies climatologists, surely the usual 3 sigma on theories will put the nail in the coffin for remaining “reasonable doubt”.

    Meanwhile remaining contenders to predict the observed GW has fallen. Last year I believe the “solar output” hypothesis was the roadkill, and that was the last alternative I know of.

    AGW is alive and well, unfortunately.

  25. John

    Glo Bull Warming.

    At work.

  26. Jeff Keogh

    Vernal equinox in only *half* of the world. HEMISPHERIST!

  27. Daniel J. Andrews

    The problem is that when there is ‘hot’ weather, the bozos who ‘agree’ with AGW because it makes them feel good about their political beliefs point to it as proof of AGW (even if people who actually know what they’re talking about know that it’s no such thing.)

    Then when “cold” weather happens those same bozos say “it’s just weather it doesn’t mean anything

    Glenn (14): Sounds like a strawman argument. Please link to a site or blog where someone uses hot weather to say AGW is occurring and then say “it’s just the weather” when it is cold. I doubt you can find it because we know the difference between weather and climate. We don’t need to flip-flop. Science itself keeps us honest here.

    The only people that flip-flop are the pseudoskeptics, the denialists if you will. Soon as we get a cold snap or a snowstorm, Faux News, Beck, Will, Watts,Limbaugh, Northland, Leake, Rose, Heartland Institute, George C. Marshall Institute, CEI, Fraser Institute, numerous denier blogs and many newspapers all say things like global warming is canceled, no global warming, warmists have egg on their face, etc ad nauseum, ad stupidium.

    Think of the recent snow on the east coast and the pant-wetting excitement of the Fauxian followers claiming another nail in the coffin of AGW. But soon as we’re hit by a major heat wave, they either don’t mention it or just say it is the weather. Look up Canada’s weather this late winter–it is bizarrely warm and most of those folks are keeping quiet, or just saying it is the weather: That last bit alone demonstrates they’re dishonest…they know the difference between weather and climate yet they still use the “it’s cold, there’s no AGW” when convenient.

    But that is the difference between science and antiscience. Those of us with the science are constrained to follow the rules and tell the truth. Those who reject the science can say anything they want and contradict themselves when convenient. They have no accountability for their words or actions, and will fabricate quotes, interviews, or just tell a whopper of a lie (e.g. CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas) if it suits there purpose.

    Re: snow in NM. That’s where our cold weather went. Average temp up here in northern Ontario is lows of -15 C and highs of -1 C at this time of year. For the past two weeks we had lows of -1 and highs of plus 15! (what’s that in F?–55 F highs when the temps should be about -25 F?). We’ve lost all snow in the city, and it is mighty thin in the bush. The fishing derby scheduled for end of March when the ice is still a few feet thick is now canceled. Snow is usually around till beginning of May and ice off the lakes by early May. We’ve had colder days in the middle of summer than what we’ve had this past two weeks. Our field work had to be cut short–can’t do wildlife tracking very effectively without snow.

    And you know what—that is weather, not climate, and when I’m asked if that is due to global warming, I tell them one event by itself is just weather, because like it or not, we have to stick to the science.

  28. Great up here socialist communist Canuckastan most of the snow gone, been in the woods on hikes a couple of times.

  29. Ron1

    1. Thameron Says:
    Speaking of weather. Why isn’t meteorology the study of meteors? And what do they call people who specialize in the study of meteors?

    Well, meteorology IS the study of meteors, at least as they were defined prior to the 19th century at which time fiery meteors were not known to have come from beyond the atmosphere. At that time, all natural, falling, atmosphereic phenomena were called meteors, ie. rain =aqueous meteor, wind = airy meteor and meters/meteorites = fiery meteors.

    Anyway it sounds a lot better than weatherology or weatherologist (weather weenie) or atmology or …

  30. @14 & 27
    People – ie the standard people we all live, work, carpool, and wait at bus stops with, as well as those making supercilious remarks on the radio & TV, often make comments equating a local warm spell with global warming. But they also equate local cold spells with the nonexistence of global warming. It goes both ways. Unfortunately the vast unwashed masses who don’t understand science, let alone the complexities of climatology, tend to latch on to whatever seems to reinforce their beliefs, and ignore contrary evidence. But these “Bozos” are not restricted to the AGW proponents.
    However, all of that is irrelevant to this post, which makes no mention of climate change whatsoever.

  31. Levi in NY

    @John: The demonstrated increase in overall climate temperature averages does not preclude the possibility of cold days. Snow in March in the Rocky Mountain region is not evidence against global warming.

  32. Glenn

    That’s what I get for posting a comment instead of a novel. I tend not to fill in the gaps when talking to people, then backfill if they don’t follow my jumps.

    @30: your point about bozos is the one I was trying to make. The existence of bozos who support a position is not evidence in favor of or against the argument. My point is that there are people who care more about their politics than about the facts.

    My comment was carefully crafted to neither assume human-caused climate change nor to presume its falsity. I was merely complaining that there are irrational individuals on both sides of the argument.

    Phil is obviously rational, and has frequently stated that he ‘believes’ in AGW. Given his profession, I would give more weight to his evaluation of the evidence (which I assume he has at least looked at) than I would that of, say, Al Gore.

    My objection is to the idea that anyone who disagrees with the poster (on either side) must be either evil or a drooling moron. There are idiots on both sides, and there are legitimate disagreements on what to best do about the situation.

    I personally am not qualified to judge the science, but being a computer professional I’m very queasy about extracting global trends from partial models that are being fed from sparse and ratty data. I’m willing to accept that statistical processes can be applied to the problem, and I’m not particularly inclined to argue that we wait a couple of hundred years to find out.

    This could easily turn into a novel, so I’m going to chop it off short. I may have to get my own bleeping blog to rant on subjects like this.

  33. Carter

    For the first time in living memory (I think) the vernal equinox really feels like Spring in Maine. It broke 70 here today, and the snow’s been gone since the end of February. Usually there’s a foot on the ground until mid-April! Too bad ski season seems like it will end early. Strange weather patterns indeed.

  34. Ron1

    Oh, the mental contamination, it makes me head hurt.

  35. colluvial

    Don’t know why everyone down south is complaining about the cold weather. We haven’t really had winter up here in the “North Country” of Vermont. Been steadily well above normal all winter long. Spring flowers are blooming and buds are breaking when they would normally still all be buried in ice and snow.

  36. squirrelelite


    Nice picture!

    Here is a link to a couple of pictures I took this morning before I went to work:


    When I came home this afternoon, the snow had practically all melted except for a large truck that drove by that probably had driven down from the mountains.

    But, that’s the way it’s been just about all winter. Since they got snow in the Carolinas and the French Riviera this year, I’m not going to complain about a little precipitation.

    If anyone has trouble accessing the picasa site, please let me know. It is supposed to be public, but I haven’t tested it.

  37. QuietDesperation

    (Posting from So. Cal.)

    Winter? Wazzat? Our late Autumn just sort of flows right into early Spring. :-)

    My objection is to the idea that anyone who disagrees with the poster (on either side) must be either evil or a drooling moron.

    You must be new to the intertoobs. You must take a side and COMPLETELY demonize all who oppose your POV. They are INFIDELS!!! And those who generally agree but differ in small ways? HERETICS! You must persecute them even more strongly! AND USE LOTS OF CAPS!

    Related image: one of the more rational recent debates on the health care bill.

  38. Old Muley

    Jeepers, here in the shadows of Lambeau Field, (you know, the “Frozen Tundra”), we’ve had one of the mildest winters I can recall. One really good snow back in mid-December, and a couple three-four “nuisance” snowfalls since. Last week was near 60º f and there’s not a trace of snow left around. Heck, I don’t even know if we had any sub zero days. You lucky kids on the East coast got all our good winter weather this year.

  39. Plutonium being from Pluto

    Not only is it autumn here in Adelaide South Australia, its been autumn (“Fall” to you “merricans”) since the first day of March when the season begins as we count em! :

    1st March to 31st May = Autumn (March-April-May)

    1st June to 31st August = Winter (June-July-August)

    1st September to 30th November = Spring (Sept-Oct.-Nov.)


    1st December to 28th or 29th February = Summer. (Dec-Jan-Feb.)

    Makes much more sense our way methinks! 😉 😛

    PS. @ Ferris Valyn – I’ve repleid to your comment 30 on the private Vs public space agency issue here :

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/03/18/researching-at-the-edge-of-space/#comment-254499 (comment # 32)

    Thanks – I’ve learnt quite a bit from you there & have to admit some of the private space companies are more advanced than I’d hitherto thought. :-)

    PPS. I am a skeptic and NOT a believer in the Global Warming scare for many good reasons which I’ve discussed at length elsewhere here. Its probably not tehbets thread but since the topic (the metaphorical “elephant in the room” here) has come up I just cannot resist adding this humerous link :


    which does sum things up quite nicely IMHON.

    Also, if you haven’t already, its worth checking out the funny if sometimes repetitive collection of cartoons that neatly make the point that “scientific” AGW predictions are being falsified on an almost daily basis now here :


  40. @39 – so after Glenn, then I, then Glenn again pointed out that local cold spells are no more proof against global warming than local warm spells are proof for it (and the term “Bozo” was used) you post a link to a list of cartoons all taking this very stance, of which you say ““scientific” AGW predictions are being falsified on an almost daily basis”.
    Um, ya.

  41. Plutonium being from Pluto

    @ Bipedal Tetrapod ^ :

    Not just local but rather widespread globally from Europe to the USA to Russia and China. All at a time when AGW orthodoxy says we should be broiling more with every vapoury wisp of CO2 entering the air.

    Not just that, but if you read the sites I linked, they also have far more than just that, incl. references to the non-melting Himalayan glaciers IPCC claim & (esp. in the other link) the mindset pointed out by #2 Uncle Al that *whatever* happens AGW is automatically assumed to be at fault.

    A theory that explains everything explains nothing.

    The fact is AGW predicts the world warming. Not just warming but doing so *rapidly* and alarmingly and co-related to the amount of human carbon dioxide in the air – i.e. years with more Co2 are predicted to be hotter than years with less atmospheric co2 by the AGW idea.

    This is just NOT happening.

    The hottest year & rising temperature trend – since the end of the Little Ice Age in 1850 – peaked in 1998* and since then the direction of global tempertures has been unclear; possibly stabilised, maybe cooling but certainly NOT warming alarmingly and rapidly or even clearly rising at all.

    Q.E.D. AGW is false. Period.

    (As noted I’ve explained this before in length elsewehere here – afraid I’ve got to get some sleep now, early morning in my timezone & have to work tomorrow.)


    * No, don’t quote James Hansen’s (NOT NASA’s) “2005 was hotter” line at me. Not only is this disputed and barely if at all the case even on Hansen’s own dubious figures but also I do not consider Hansen to be a legitimate scientist. A scientist evalutes the evidence rationally and reviews the data cautiously without making extreme dubious claims as Hansen does continuously.

    A scientist does NOT go getting himself arrested for criminal trespass in an anti-coal-mining protest as Hansen did. Hansen might’ve been a scientist once – but certainly isn’t any longer – instead he is a political activist & AGW polemicist. Climategate has shown that such “scientists” as Hansen ( & Phil Jones, Mike Mann & their like) cannot be trusted and their words must be taken with a mountain of NaCl. In fact, the very young & unsettled “science” of “climatology” is such a closed “AGW believers only” club that, frankly, I wouldn’t trust *any* of that mob.

    Give me decent scientists & renowned AGW skeptics such as Professor Ian Plimer, Bob Carter, Apollo 17 Moon-Walker Harrison Schmidt, rocket scientist Burt Rutan & meteorologist Antony Watts – all climate skeptics btw. – as superior & far more trustworthy sources any day! 😉

  42. Plutonium being from Pluto

    Oh & one last thing before I go to bed for the night –

    Anyone who think James Hansen is someone who thinks reasonably & is worth listening to needs to recall that this is the “genius” who called a press conference to howl that he was being censored! :roll:

    (This was back sometime during the George W. Bush administration – around or a bit after the point Hansen stopped being a genuine scientist & plain lost the plot.)

    Here’s a tip to avoid embarrassment folks – if you can call a press conference and rant at length to the media then you are NOT being censored – at all! 😉

    BA, I love your blog and I agree with you eight times or so out of ten – but the AGW issue & your lack of actual skepticism about it is one thing I bet you’ll look back on in a few years time and really cringe at how you could ever have been fooled. Supporters of the AGW scare are already looking silly and I feel embarrassed for you now – you should be smarter than falling for what is very clearly the worst scientific scandal & fraud of our age.

    Please Dr Plait, pause and reconsider your views here & remember we’ll think *more* not less of you here for changing your mind based on the actual evidence.

    Hey, been there, done that myself. 😉

  43. Arizona is indeed in the dark ages. Hawaii is so close to the equator that in common with all tropical regions daylight time would be meaningless there. Here in Israel, we have a very short period of daylight time and that had to be obtained through fighting in the courts and in Parliament. Our religious brethren are against it as they are against the entire modern world.

  44. LSandman24

    No snow in Alamogordo, but it is a bit chilly. Though I do live right down the street from the Museum of Space History… or Space History Museum… or whatever the hell they call it now. It has a big rocket out front, that’s all that matters!

  45. Dr. Rocketscience

    Spring huh? Tell it to the snow that covered my lawn just Friday here in Loveland, CO. Just about 45 minutes north of you in Boulder, Phil!

    Of course, after 3 years here, seems that a late March snow is normal for the northern Front Range. As my friends who coach baseball and girls soccer like to say, “Practices start next week, so we should get a god snow any day now.”

  46. Pi-needles

    @43. Aharon Eviatar Says:

    … Here in Israel, we have a very short period of daylight time and that had to be obtained through fighting in the courts and in Parliament. Our religious brethren are against it as they are against the entire modern world.

    But don’t I recall reading a Darwin Award where a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up early killing only himself because he’d refused to set his bomb on “Zionist” daylight (& in this case life!) saving time? 😉

    Plus I’m pretty sure your religious brethren don’t mind using some modern tech – the machine guns, fighters and tanks all spring to mind there along with Israel’s unofficial nuclear deterrent. I’m guessing they’re not crazy enough to want to fight in chariots or on foot armed only with spears, swords and slings. Right? 😉

  47. Pi-needles

    @45. Dr. Rocketscience Says:

    … As my friends who coach baseball and girls soccer like to say, “Practices start next week, so we should get a god snow any day now.”

    Would that be when Zeus, Thor, Buddha, Ganesha and Jesus all fall out of the sky at the same time? 😉

    Yeah, I shouldn’t make fun of typos, FSM knows I make enough of them myself, but that was just too tempting.

  48. xbrico

    Lol…try living in Ireland…we get 2 seasons…rainy and June!!! 😀

  49. Robert E

    We had ~7 inches of snow where I am in Oklahoma.
    Should be 70 F tomorrow.

  50. photofalcon

    Idaho has 2 seasons also, winter & July. This year we had high pressure dominating because of El Nino, with temps in the bucket. I think -14F was our coldest. And our wimpy snowpack is melting fast now. I feel bad for the forests; getting hammered by the pine bark beetle because of climate change. Global warming as it were.

  51. San Diego just had the coldest summer in 80 years. It does make you think about the whole global warming debate.

  52. This must be why we are seeing the return of the El Nino yet again. Crazy floods in Brisbane, East Canada, Europe grinding to a standstill because of huge snow falls. I thought the Chinese had weather machines, is this there doing?

  53. In finland where I live is about -20c now 😛
    Spring, where are you???

  54. Like we say here in Wisconsin – “If you don’t like the weather here just wait a couple minutes and it will change” !

  55. Lol…try living in Ireland…we get 2 seasons…rainy and June!!

  56. It´s freezing in Sweden to at the moment.. but not as cold as Finland though :)

  57. This must be why we are seeing the return of the El Nino yet again. Crazy floods in Brisbane, East Canada, Europe grinding to a standstill because of huge snow falls. I thought the Chinese had weather machines, is this there doing?

  58. It is not just New Mexico, the weather this spring has been crazy just about everywhere it seems. First we get droughts and then more rain than we know what to do with. The crazy flooding that has been going on lately might just be a taste of what we have to look forward to.

  59. The average surface temperature of earth has increased more than 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1900. Effects of the warming include more frequent occurrence of extreme weather. What is still open for debate is how much of the warming is due to human activities.

  60. LoL Mirajini Finland is not a place to go from this point of view, I am very happy with my full 4 seasons!!

  61. We are lucky we have 4 season in same time. Turkey is really paradise.


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