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	<title>Comments on: Are Martian gullies formed by water or not?</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Is NASA hiding life on Mars? I seriously doubt it. &#124; GGS News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is NASA hiding life on Mars? I seriously doubt it. &#124; GGS News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of very interesting and provocative observations, but no real proof of extant liquid water — see here, or here, or here for example. I’ll note that these observations may point to transient liquid [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Troythulu&#8217;s Nu&#8217;z (May 10, 2010) &#171; The Call of Troythulu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troythulu&#8217;s Nu&#8217;z (May 10, 2010) &#171; The Call of Troythulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are Martian gullies formed by water or not? &#8212; BA posts on some of the competing ideas on the formation of gullies on Mars &#8212; Are they formed by water? Sand? Sand and dust? Right now, who knows? And like any scientist with a taste for both mysteries and answers, he asks questions that even now are being examined by some of our best planetary researchers using the enticing clues on the very surface of the Red Planet itself&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Are Martian gullies formed by water or not? &#8212; BA posts on some of the competing ideas on the formation of gullies on Mars &#8212; Are they formed by water? Sand? Sand and dust? Right now, who knows? And like any scientist with a taste for both mysteries and answers, he asks questions that even now are being examined by some of our best planetary researchers using the enticing clues on the very surface of the Red Planet itself&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Electric Universe Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electric Universe Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job IVAN3MAN AT LARGE and GAry 7! You ran off the only guy on this post that was saying something intelligent. &quot;Space&quot; isn&#039;t a vacuum. Even NASA admits that much. Read up on your plasma physics before you start beating your chest and high-fiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job IVAN3MAN AT LARGE and GAry 7! You ran off the only guy on this post that was saying something intelligent. &#8220;Space&#8221; isn&#8217;t a vacuum. Even NASA admits that much. Read up on your plasma physics before you start beating your chest and high-fiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Jefferson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just hook a dowsing stick up to a rover!  lol</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 03:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gary Ansorge, 

It appears that Mr. V. Wall has buggered off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gary Ansorge, </p>
<p>It appears that Mr. V. Wall has buggered off!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly I&#039;m an idiot!  No more priggishness for me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly I&#8217;m an idiot!  No more priggishness for me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>37.   Vern Wall

Since we observe electrical discharges as a catastrophic breakdown of the dielectric resistance of a material, there can be none such across a vacuum, since there&#039;s nothing to break down.

Plus, it&#039;s kinda hard to SEE electrical discharges between planets when that light emission  comes from the ionization of a material that doesn&#039;t exist.

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>37.   Vern Wall</p>
<p>Since we observe electrical discharges as a catastrophic breakdown of the dielectric resistance of a material, there can be none such across a vacuum, since there&#8217;s nothing to break down.</p>
<p>Plus, it&#8217;s kinda hard to SEE electrical discharges between planets when that light emission  comes from the ionization of a material that doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 11:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ivan!</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 10:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dwight (#42),

To answer your question, this is from Wikipedia -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Forms_of_water&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Properties of water&lt;/u&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Forms of water&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
Like many substances, water can take numerous forms that are broadly categorized by phase of matter. The liquid phase is the most common among water&#039;s phases and is the form that&#039;s generally denoted by the word &quot;water&quot;. The solid phase of water is known as &lt;i&gt;ice&lt;/i&gt; and commonly takes the structure of hard, amalgamated crystals, such as ice cubes, or loosely accumulated granular crystals, like snow. [...] The gaseous phase of water is known as &lt;i&gt;water vapor&lt;/i&gt; (or steam), and is characterized by water assuming the configuration of a transparent cloud. The fourth state of water, that of a &lt;i&gt;supercritical fluid&lt;/i&gt;, is much less common than the other three and only rarely occurs in nature. [...] Since water only becomes supercritical under extreme temperatures or pressures, it almost never occurs naturally. One example of naturally occurring supercritical water is in the hottest parts of deep water hydrothermal vents, in which water is heated to the critical temperature by scalding volcanic plumes and achieves the critical pressure because of the crushing weight of the ocean at the extreme depths at which the vents are located.
&lt;p&gt;[...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dwight (#42),</p>
<p>To answer your question, this is from Wikipedia &#8212; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Forms_of_water" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><b><u>Properties of water</u>:</b></font></a></p>
<blockquote><p><b><u>Forms of water</u></b><br />
Like many substances, water can take numerous forms that are broadly categorized by phase of matter. The liquid phase is the most common among water&#8217;s phases and is the form that&#8217;s generally denoted by the word &#8220;water&#8221;. The solid phase of water is known as <i>ice</i> and commonly takes the structure of hard, amalgamated crystals, such as ice cubes, or loosely accumulated granular crystals, like snow. [...] The gaseous phase of water is known as <i>water vapor</i> (or steam), and is characterized by water assuming the configuration of a transparent cloud. The fourth state of water, that of a <i>supercritical fluid</i>, is much less common than the other three and only rarely occurs in nature. [...] Since water only becomes supercritical under extreme temperatures or pressures, it almost never occurs naturally. One example of naturally occurring supercritical water is in the hottest parts of deep water hydrothermal vents, in which water is heated to the critical temperature by scalding volcanic plumes and achieves the critical pressure because of the crushing weight of the ocean at the extreme depths at which the vents are located.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 09:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Vern Wall (#37):&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3774/gumby100x134.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Gumby&quot;/ align=&quot;left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: 150%; color: brown;&quot;&gt;It was electrical attraction and repulsion. Earthlings of a few thousand years ago recorded vast amounts of electrical activity between the planets. Modern scientists ignore electrical effects, even while watching lightning bolts in dust devils, because they never learned much about the subject.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
From &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Dictionary.com&lt;/i&gt; -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;LIE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&#8212;noun&lt;i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;1.&lt;/b&gt; a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;2.&lt;/b&gt; something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;3.&lt;/b&gt; an inaccurate or false statement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;4.&lt;/b&gt; the charge or accusation of lying.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&#8212;verb (used without object)&lt;i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;5.&lt;/b&gt; to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;6.&lt;/b&gt; to express what is false; convey a false impression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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Enough said! :cool:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Vern Wall (#37):</b></p>
<blockquote><p><img src="http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3774/gumby100x134.gif" alt="Gumby"/ align="left"/><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: 150%; color: brown;">It was electrical attraction and repulsion. Earthlings of a few thousand years ago recorded vast amounts of electrical activity between the planets. Modern scientists ignore electrical effects, even while watching lightning bolts in dust devils, because they never learned much about the subject.</span><br clear="all"/></p></blockquote>
<p>From <b><i>Dictionary.com</i> &#8212; <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><u>LIE</u><sup>1</sup></font></a>:</b></p>
<blockquote><p><b><i>&mdash;noun</i><i></i></b><br />
<b>1.</b> a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.</p>
<p><b>2.</b> something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture.</p>
<p><b>3.</b> an inaccurate or false statement.</p>
<p><b>4.</b> the charge or accusation of lying.</p>
<p><b><i>&mdash;verb (used without object)</i><i></i></b><br />
<b>5.</b> to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
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<p><b>6.</b> to express what is false; convey a false impression.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
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Enough said! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 07:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because &quot;ice&quot; is also used to refer to non-water ices (ammonia, methane, etc), and &quot;water&quot; can be used as a shorthand for dihydrogen monoxide in both liquid and solid form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because &#8220;ice&#8221; is also used to refer to non-water ices (ammonia, methane, etc), and &#8220;water&#8221; can be used as a shorthand for dihydrogen monoxide in both liquid and solid form.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 06:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone explain to me why liquid water is called &quot;liquid water&quot;. As I understand it, water _is_ liquid. In its solid form it is called &quot;ice&quot; and in its gaseous state its called &quot;steam&quot;. If someone said to me &quot;hey I have found water&quot; I wouldn&#039;t need to be told it is liquid.

Is there a scientific reasoning here that I am not aware of??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone explain to me why liquid water is called &#8220;liquid water&#8221;. As I understand it, water _is_ liquid. In its solid form it is called &#8220;ice&#8221; and in its gaseous state its called &#8220;steam&#8221;. If someone said to me &#8220;hey I have found water&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t need to be told it is liquid.</p>
<p>Is there a scientific reasoning here that I am not aware of??</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 04:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Vern Wall, 
Which particular Earthlings &quot;a few thousand years ago&quot; recorded &quot;vast amounts&quot; of a force which was unknown to them?
And how could they have possibly measured it &quot;between planets?&quot;

To all others, I do apologise for feeding the troll, but I&#039;m really curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Vern Wall,<br />
Which particular Earthlings &#8220;a few thousand years ago&#8221; recorded &#8220;vast amounts&#8221; of a force which was unknown to them?<br />
And how could they have possibly measured it &#8220;between planets?&#8221;</p>
<p>To all others, I do apologise for feeding the troll, but I&#8217;m really curious.</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will be off topic but when Dune was mentioned I just had to give an oppion on the Dune novels .I started reading Dune after seeing the 1984 movie on tv .And I found Dune was unlike any scifi I&#039;ve ever read before .I found Dunes antitecnlogcal,metipysical future was differet form other scifi that normaly shows a hitec future .Also the return of the fuedal order on an intersteler scale,seem to show the death of demorcy .Also no aliens,humans are the only intelgent life forms in the universe .For some one who grew up on Star Trek and Star Wars Dune was certenly diferent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be off topic but when Dune was mentioned I just had to give an oppion on the Dune novels .I started reading Dune after seeing the 1984 movie on tv .And I found Dune was unlike any scifi I&#8217;ve ever read before .I found Dunes antitecnlogcal,metipysical future was differet form other scifi that normaly shows a hitec future .Also the return of the fuedal order on an intersteler scale,seem to show the death of demorcy .Also no aliens,humans are the only intelgent life forms in the universe .For some one who grew up on Star Trek and Star Wars Dune was certenly diferent.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Gisselbeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Gisselbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 01:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compare the result of an 25cm rain event on scree north of Great Northern Mountain near Glacier Park. The storm was in Nov 2006 (I think) and there are still many such gullies around and in the park.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=48.348634,-113.787632&amp;spn=0.005476,0.02105&amp;t=h&amp;z=16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare the result of an 25cm rain event on scree north of Great Northern Mountain near Glacier Park. The storm was in Nov 2006 (I think) and there are still many such gullies around and in the park.</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&#038;ll=48.348634,-113.787632&#038;spn=0.005476,0.02105&#038;t=h&#038;z=16" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&#038;ll=48.348634,-113.787632&#038;spn=0.005476,0.02105&#038;t=h&#038;z=16</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 00:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit this is unlikely, but borderline possible.  What if the entire slope were slumping off to the right (or left)?  Surface cracks often develop when slopes slump.  Surface slopes slump slightly!

The sand composition does make this possibility problematic.  However even sand can develop a crust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit this is unlikely, but borderline possible.  What if the entire slope were slumping off to the right (or left)?  Surface cracks often develop when slopes slump.  Surface slopes slump slightly!</p>
<p>The sand composition does make this possibility problematic.  However even sand can develop a crust.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was electrical attraction and repulsion. Earthlings of a few thousand years ago recorded vast amounts of electrical activity between the planets. Modern scientists ignore electrical effects, even while watching lightning bolts in dust devils, because they never learned much about the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was electrical attraction and repulsion. Earthlings of a few thousand years ago recorded vast amounts of electrical activity between the planets. Modern scientists ignore electrical effects, even while watching lightning bolts in dust devils, because they never learned much about the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN AT LARGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;RE: &quot;Lying&quot; or &quot;Laying&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is according to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Dictionary.com:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#8212;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Usage note&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lay&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;small&gt;LIE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; are often confused. &lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt; is most commonly a transitive verb and takes an object. Its forms are regular. If “place” or “put” can be substituted in a sentence, a form of &lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt; is called for: &lt;i&gt;Lay the folders on the desk; The mason is laying brick; She laid the baby in the crib.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt; also has many intransitive senses, among them “to lay eggs” (&lt;i&gt;The hens have stopped laying&lt;/i&gt;), and it forms many phrasal verbs, such as &lt;small&gt;LAY OFF&lt;/small&gt; “to dismiss (from employment)” or “to stop annoying or teasing” and &lt;small&gt;LAY OVER&lt;/small&gt; “to make a stop”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;LIE&lt;/small&gt;, with the overall senses “to be in a horizontal position, recline” and “to rest, remain, be situated, etc.”, is intransitive and takes no object. Its forms are irregular; its past tense form is identical with the present tense or infinitive form of &lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Lie down, children; Abandoned cars were lying along the road; The dog lay in the shade and watched the kittens play; The folders have lain on the desk since yesterday.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;In all but the most careful, formal speech, forms of &lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt; are commonly heard in senses normally associated with &lt;small&gt;LIE&lt;/small&gt;. In edited written English such uses of &lt;small&gt;LAY&lt;/small&gt; are rare and are usually considered nonstandard: &lt;i&gt;Lay down, children; The dog laid in the shade; Abandoned cars were laying along the road; The folders have laid on the desk since yesterday.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

So, according to the above &lt;b&gt;Usage note&lt;/b&gt;, it is &lt;i&gt;rare&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;considered nonstandard&lt;/i&gt; to use &quot;laying&quot; instead of &quot;lying&quot; --  i.e., it is over formal. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>RE: &#8220;Lying&#8221; or &#8220;Laying&#8221;?</b></p>
<p>This is according to <b><i>Dictionary.com:</i></b></p>
<blockquote><p>&mdash;<b><i>Usage note</i></b> </p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lay" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><u><small>LAY</small></u></font></a> and <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><u><small>LIE</small></u></font></a> are often confused. <small>LAY</small> is most commonly a transitive verb and takes an object. Its forms are regular. If “place” or “put” can be substituted in a sentence, a form of <small>LAY</small> is called for: <i>Lay the folders on the desk; The mason is laying brick; She laid the baby in the crib.</i> <small>LAY</small> also has many intransitive senses, among them “to lay eggs” (<i>The hens have stopped laying</i>), and it forms many phrasal verbs, such as <small>LAY OFF</small> “to dismiss (from employment)” or “to stop annoying or teasing” and <small>LAY OVER</small> “to make a stop”.</p>
<p><small>LIE</small>, with the overall senses “to be in a horizontal position, recline” and “to rest, remain, be situated, etc.”, is intransitive and takes no object. Its forms are irregular; its past tense form is identical with the present tense or infinitive form of <small>LAY</small>: <i>Lie down, children; Abandoned cars were lying along the road; The dog lay in the shade and watched the kittens play; The folders have lain on the desk since yesterday.</i></p>
<p>In all but the most careful, formal speech, forms of <small>LAY</small> are commonly heard in senses normally associated with <small>LIE</small>. In edited written English such uses of <small>LAY</small> are rare and are usually considered nonstandard: <i>Lay down, children; The dog laid in the shade; Abandoned cars were laying along the road; The folders have laid on the desk since yesterday.</i></p>
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<p>So, according to the above <b>Usage note</b>, it is <i>rare</i> and <i>considered nonstandard</i> to use &#8220;laying&#8221; instead of &#8220;lying&#8221; &#8212;  i.e., it is over formal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rivenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rivenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 22:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK it just occurred to me that in those conditions the sand might be highly electrically charged, between piazo-electric effects &amp; unfiltered sun. This MIGHT create intense surface tension effects creating the raised sides of the channels, actually PULLING the sand up as the water runs OVER the highly charged surface of the dune instead of cutting into it and cementing it in place as the &quot;water&quot; (probably a super-saturated mix of water &amp; soluble stone/salts) sublimates leaving the salts /stone. Gypsum has been found in abundance, this is a very water soluble stone. OK, manned mission. Not enough data for meaningful answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK it just occurred to me that in those conditions the sand might be highly electrically charged, between piazo-electric effects &#038; unfiltered sun. This MIGHT create intense surface tension effects creating the raised sides of the channels, actually PULLING the sand up as the water runs OVER the highly charged surface of the dune instead of cutting into it and cementing it in place as the &#8220;water&#8221; (probably a super-saturated mix of water &#038; soluble stone/salts) sublimates leaving the salts /stone. Gypsum has been found in abundance, this is a very water soluble stone. OK, manned mission. Not enough data for meaningful answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Rivenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rivenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 22:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Just Al on this, 
I suspect a combination of CO2 &amp; water glaciation pushing up the edges of the channels.
the arrow-head shaped piece of ice then sublimates leaivng the pointed furrow with raised edges all the way to the point. A combination of the two posited theories more or less.

And too all who mentioned it:gravity &amp; vacuum would both affect the fluidity and repose angle of the sand, as would it&#039;s chemistry which determains the crystal structure of the sand, causing it&#039;s grain size, roughness and any electric properties. If for instance the sand is composed of highly piazo electric crystals (common on earth), the wind blowing over a super dry dune could cause all kinds of unguessable effects. Leavitating sand for one. Ok I guessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Just Al on this,<br />
I suspect a combination of CO2 &#038; water glaciation pushing up the edges of the channels.<br />
the arrow-head shaped piece of ice then sublimates leaivng the pointed furrow with raised edges all the way to the point. A combination of the two posited theories more or less.</p>
<p>And too all who mentioned it:gravity &#038; vacuum would both affect the fluidity and repose angle of the sand, as would it&#8217;s chemistry which determains the crystal structure of the sand, causing it&#8217;s grain size, roughness and any electric properties. If for instance the sand is composed of highly piazo electric crystals (common on earth), the wind blowing over a super dry dune could cause all kinds of unguessable effects. Leavitating sand for one. Ok I guessed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruh roh!</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 20:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s just MArtian Otters going sand sliding/surfing.

I wonder how the relative gravity difference would affect these experiments? Shouldn&#039;t THAT result then be dependent upon the resistance to sliding vs the lubricant quality of the sublimating CO2?

Gary 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s just MArtian Otters going sand sliding/surfing.</p>
<p>I wonder how the relative gravity difference would affect these experiments? Shouldn&#8217;t THAT result then be dependent upon the resistance to sliding vs the lubricant quality of the sublimating CO2?</p>
<p>Gary 7</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 20:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares if there&#039;s water on Mars right now?  All we need to do is slam a couple comets into that rock, and then there&#039;ll be water there all right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares if there&#8217;s water on Mars right now?  All we need to do is slam a couple comets into that rock, and then there&#8217;ll be water there all right!</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 19:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Phil @ Dave:

Maybe the furrows &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; laying there. Horny bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Phil @ Dave:</p>
<p>Maybe the furrows <i>are</i> laying there. Horny bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 19:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rember for years it was thought there were canals on Mars and many thought they were dug by Martians to get water from the poles. If there are sandworms there like on Dune maybe theres melage I would love some . One more thing on Dune in the 4 Dune novel : God empeor of Dune Dune became a green planet and in the 5 Hertics of Dune while becomeing a desert again Dune was destoryed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rember for years it was thought there were canals on Mars and many thought they were dug by Martians to get water from the poles. If there are sandworms there like on Dune maybe theres melage I would love some . One more thing on Dune in the 4 Dune novel : God empeor of Dune Dune became a green planet and in the 5 Hertics of Dune while becomeing a desert again Dune was destoryed</p>
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