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	<title>Comments on: Glenn Beck: wait a sec. Who&#8217;s the idiot again?</title>
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		<title>By: Armageddon T Thunderbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armageddon T Thunderbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to wake up the fact that Glenn Beck is simply another opinion pushing charlatan who is a product of mormon cult theology that he mixes with parts of Catholicism and his personal core as a dry alcoholic.  And for the record, he is a Mormon and not a Christian.  The two are not the same as one is a cult and the other is a religion.  This makes Glenn Beck one very twisted screwed up moron who sold his soul to the lowest common denominator of personal stupidity.  And for the record…the religion of Islam has far more in common with Christianity than the mormon cult.  

The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required for alcoholics.  Because he does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, this makes him the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. Considering the fact that Beck’s personal views are extreme Marxist Libertarian, his form of patriotism is false and he is a person who has no real substance or depth.  

Glenn Beck consistently demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD, indecisiveness and blindness to truth. In short, Beck, Limbaugh, O Reilly, Hannity, Palin, O Donnell, Coulter and others like them frequently pervert truth, history, facts, religion and the US Constitution when they open their big mouths.  Beck is simply part of a national league of pseudo-conservative idiots who make big money by selling lies and half truths to impressionable fools that occupy the lowest levels of society.  Basically…tea baggers and registered republicans who are condemned to repeat the mistakes of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to wake up the fact that Glenn Beck is simply another opinion pushing charlatan who is a product of mormon cult theology that he mixes with parts of Catholicism and his personal core as a dry alcoholic.  And for the record, he is a Mormon and not a Christian.  The two are not the same as one is a cult and the other is a religion.  This makes Glenn Beck one very twisted screwed up moron who sold his soul to the lowest common denominator of personal stupidity.  And for the record…the religion of Islam has far more in common with Christianity than the mormon cult.  </p>
<p>The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required for alcoholics.  Because he does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, this makes him the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. Considering the fact that Beck’s personal views are extreme Marxist Libertarian, his form of patriotism is false and he is a person who has no real substance or depth.  </p>
<p>Glenn Beck consistently demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD, indecisiveness and blindness to truth. In short, Beck, Limbaugh, O Reilly, Hannity, Palin, O Donnell, Coulter and others like them frequently pervert truth, history, facts, religion and the US Constitution when they open their big mouths.  Beck is simply part of a national league of pseudo-conservative idiots who make big money by selling lies and half truths to impressionable fools that occupy the lowest levels of society.  Basically…tea baggers and registered republicans who are condemned to repeat the mistakes of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you read the book? before doing a fair bit of research on the right side i was pretty liberal...there are things you wouldnt realize between those covers and on his show. he is a little chemically unbalanced but at least he isnt chris matthews who stated that he gets a thrill up his leg when he hears obama speak. or nancy pelosi in general. good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you read the book? before doing a fair bit of research on the right side i was pretty liberal&#8230;there are things you wouldnt realize between those covers and on his show. he is a little chemically unbalanced but at least he isnt chris matthews who stated that he gets a thrill up his leg when he hears obama speak. or nancy pelosi in general. good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan 1778</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan 1778</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 02:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person who created this blog has no facts about Glenn at all. I doubt the person who writs tis blog and most of the negative comments about Glenn are by people who have never watch him before. I wish the progressives would use some facts some times espectally when you through aroundthe race card. so a comedy viedo is the best evidence you have. WOW pathetic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person who created this blog has no facts about Glenn at all. I doubt the person who writs tis blog and most of the negative comments about Glenn are by people who have never watch him before. I wish the progressives would use some facts some times espectally when you through aroundthe race card. so a comedy viedo is the best evidence you have. WOW pathetic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My article doesn&#039;t need moderation. it is moderate and truthful. If you censor people who don&#039;t write what you want them to write, you are destroying free speech and what goes around comes around. 

Dumbo is no harsher than idiot. 

Both work equally well. 

Joey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My article doesn&#8217;t need moderation. it is moderate and truthful. If you censor people who don&#8217;t write what you want them to write, you are destroying free speech and what goes around comes around. </p>
<p>Dumbo is no harsher than idiot. </p>
<p>Both work equally well. </p>
<p>Joey</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I read from people like you, the better I understand the comment that journalism is dead. You are so full of it I can&#039;t believe it. You are an advocate not a journalist. 

I listen to Glen Beck every night. I also listen to CNN on Sunday mornings. I read a great deal and I write a great deal. 

Those who critize Beck the most seem to me to know the least. I listen to him the way I used to listen to testimony in court, looking for errors, watching to see if he says something that is patentedly false. (Remember his show is a commentary show and I have seen him bring no charges about anyone without presenting the evidence he thinks backs up what he is saying. So far, it clearly has.

Glen is not wrong about man made global warming, you are.
It doesn&#039;t exist.  
He is also not wrong about taxes, again you are.
He is not a racist, but YOU are. And so are those who use race to try to intimidate others. Why is it recism to disagree with a Black President? Didn&#039;t Blacks ever disagree with a White President? Were they racists?
You are ridiculous. I disagree with people who say stupid things no matter their race, creed or color. I disagree with you completely and I don&#039;t even know who you are let alone what you are. I just read what you say and I find it laughable. 

As to taxes what the hell do you know about taxes. I will help you to understand. If you spend money you don&#039;t have and then take money from others to pay for your shortfall, and you don&#039;t stop spending, you will only have to come back again and agin to the people that have money - we the taxpayer. That is a sure path to disaster.

No, you have to stay within your means or as close to that as possible. Spending money like a drunk sailor (my apologies to the sailor) without giving it proper thought, is stupidity. That&#039;s what this Administration is doing. That&#039;s what government usually does, but this team is over the top. You see DUMBO, most of the people around the White House these days are ideologues that are part-time &quot;educators&quot; and part time &quot;revolutionaries&quot;, people who know nothing about working for a living. People who have never started or run a business successfully. 

There are a number of things we should do to jumpstart out economy but this group doesn&#039;t even know what they are. And please, as much as I can forgive your rantings since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, let&#039;s heed the words of your own favorite financier: George Soros, who said quite clearly earlier this year that the &quot;no doc&quot; loans (if you want to call them &quot;loans&quot; rather than &quot;handouts&quot;) were the root cause of the financial collapse. Sure others jumped on board and made it worse but screwing up Fannie Mae was the gut cause of this disaster and the Democratic Congress in power since 2007 was the cause of that happening.

I would add, with the complicity of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who took huge campaign contributions from the folks at Fannie Mae even as they were supposed to be in regulatory positions over Fannie with their respective financial oversight committees. Gee doesn&#039;t that sound like a conflict of interest? Shouldn&#039;t we investigate this? Nah. They are Democrats and Liberals - get outta here!

By the way, Beck has been on the money for this entire year and if you can present evidence that he has been wrong (EVIDENCE like the evidence HE uses), do so in an article. That way, your article might even get read. 
I know I&#039;ll read it. I love to analyze and double check &quot;evidence&quot;.  

I&#039;ll wait for your article just as I will wait for his red phone to ring. Hasn&#039;t rung this year at all. Damn. 

You know the people that criticize Beck the most, listen to him the least. How about that. 

God help Freedom with people like you lapping up the Kool-aid. What was your name again? 

Beck has about 4.4 million of that listen to him and can ell the difference between the truth and the crap people like you put out. So you can&#039;t win. Notice, who listens to you? I only found this article by accident lol.

Didn&#039;t Newsweek sell for $1.00 last month? Not for a copy, the whole damn magazine, lock stock and barrel! (Yes, it did. It has a lot of debt and no readers. Sad.)

And who reads the Globe and the Times and the Post anymore?
Who watches NBC and MSNBC and even CNN that does a little better lately since they are trying to present a little of both sides. All these so-called news shows are almost off the air, so much so that the President is trying to find a way to fund them too with my tax dollars. Know why? Nah, I&#039;ll let you figure that out. What a pack of losers. 

But who listens to them? Almost nobody. 

That&#039;s because we are anything but idiots and we can see through people like liberals with no trouble at all. Now for a quiz:

PS Who appointed the first Black man to a cabinet position?
A. George Bush (R)

Q. Who appointed the first Black woman to a cabinet post?
A. George Bush. (R)

Q. Did anyone in the Republican party raise a fuss over either appointment.

A. It didn&#039;t make a ripple. 

As Glen says, it&#039;s impossible to argue with idiots. 

See you in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I read from people like you, the better I understand the comment that journalism is dead. You are so full of it I can&#8217;t believe it. You are an advocate not a journalist. </p>
<p>I listen to Glen Beck every night. I also listen to CNN on Sunday mornings. I read a great deal and I write a great deal. </p>
<p>Those who critize Beck the most seem to me to know the least. I listen to him the way I used to listen to testimony in court, looking for errors, watching to see if he says something that is patentedly false. (Remember his show is a commentary show and I have seen him bring no charges about anyone without presenting the evidence he thinks backs up what he is saying. So far, it clearly has.</p>
<p>Glen is not wrong about man made global warming, you are.<br />
It doesn&#8217;t exist.<br />
He is also not wrong about taxes, again you are.<br />
He is not a racist, but YOU are. And so are those who use race to try to intimidate others. Why is it recism to disagree with a Black President? Didn&#8217;t Blacks ever disagree with a White President? Were they racists?<br />
You are ridiculous. I disagree with people who say stupid things no matter their race, creed or color. I disagree with you completely and I don&#8217;t even know who you are let alone what you are. I just read what you say and I find it laughable. </p>
<p>As to taxes what the hell do you know about taxes. I will help you to understand. If you spend money you don&#8217;t have and then take money from others to pay for your shortfall, and you don&#8217;t stop spending, you will only have to come back again and agin to the people that have money &#8211; we the taxpayer. That is a sure path to disaster.</p>
<p>No, you have to stay within your means or as close to that as possible. Spending money like a drunk sailor (my apologies to the sailor) without giving it proper thought, is stupidity. That&#8217;s what this Administration is doing. That&#8217;s what government usually does, but this team is over the top. You see DUMBO, most of the people around the White House these days are ideologues that are part-time &#8220;educators&#8221; and part time &#8220;revolutionaries&#8221;, people who know nothing about working for a living. People who have never started or run a business successfully. </p>
<p>There are a number of things we should do to jumpstart out economy but this group doesn&#8217;t even know what they are. And please, as much as I can forgive your rantings since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, let&#8217;s heed the words of your own favorite financier: George Soros, who said quite clearly earlier this year that the &#8220;no doc&#8221; loans (if you want to call them &#8220;loans&#8221; rather than &#8220;handouts&#8221;) were the root cause of the financial collapse. Sure others jumped on board and made it worse but screwing up Fannie Mae was the gut cause of this disaster and the Democratic Congress in power since 2007 was the cause of that happening.</p>
<p>I would add, with the complicity of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who took huge campaign contributions from the folks at Fannie Mae even as they were supposed to be in regulatory positions over Fannie with their respective financial oversight committees. Gee doesn&#8217;t that sound like a conflict of interest? Shouldn&#8217;t we investigate this? Nah. They are Democrats and Liberals &#8211; get outta here!</p>
<p>By the way, Beck has been on the money for this entire year and if you can present evidence that he has been wrong (EVIDENCE like the evidence HE uses), do so in an article. That way, your article might even get read.<br />
I know I&#8217;ll read it. I love to analyze and double check &#8220;evidence&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wait for your article just as I will wait for his red phone to ring. Hasn&#8217;t rung this year at all. Damn. </p>
<p>You know the people that criticize Beck the most, listen to him the least. How about that. </p>
<p>God help Freedom with people like you lapping up the Kool-aid. What was your name again? </p>
<p>Beck has about 4.4 million of that listen to him and can ell the difference between the truth and the crap people like you put out. So you can&#8217;t win. Notice, who listens to you? I only found this article by accident lol.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Newsweek sell for $1.00 last month? Not for a copy, the whole damn magazine, lock stock and barrel! (Yes, it did. It has a lot of debt and no readers. Sad.)</p>
<p>And who reads the Globe and the Times and the Post anymore?<br />
Who watches NBC and MSNBC and even CNN that does a little better lately since they are trying to present a little of both sides. All these so-called news shows are almost off the air, so much so that the President is trying to find a way to fund them too with my tax dollars. Know why? Nah, I&#8217;ll let you figure that out. What a pack of losers. </p>
<p>But who listens to them? Almost nobody. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s because we are anything but idiots and we can see through people like liberals with no trouble at all. Now for a quiz:</p>
<p>PS Who appointed the first Black man to a cabinet position?<br />
A. George Bush (R)</p>
<p>Q. Who appointed the first Black woman to a cabinet post?<br />
A. George Bush. (R)</p>
<p>Q. Did anyone in the Republican party raise a fuss over either appointment.</p>
<p>A. It didn&#8217;t make a ripple. </p>
<p>As Glen says, it&#8217;s impossible to argue with idiots. </p>
<p>See you in November.</p>
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		<title>By: evilroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>evilroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beck is a loon, yes, and in my limited exposure to him I believe I see a man edging ever closer to actual, clinical insanity. But the author, Phil Plait (not to be confused with Discover magazine) asserts that Beck is a racist. He (the author, not Discover magazine nor any of its subsidiaries) then offers proof via a link to a story in which Beck accuses someone else of being racist. So while Discover magazine may never have called Glenn Beck an idiot (nor anyone else anything ever due to its lack of vocal cords) they DO publish the works of a man (Phil Plait, who is not now nor ever has been Discover magazine) who not only believes that those who accuse others of racism are themselves ipso facto racist, he clearly thinks that everyone else does, too.

And as to the meat of the non-Discover-magazine-author&#039;s complaint,  let me see if I have this straight: Apparently Mr. Beck&#039;s publisher (an entity that I am sure the reader can agree is NOT in fact, Glenn Beck) attributed a quote penned by Phil (&quot;I am NOT Discover magazine&quot;) Plait on a blog post under the discovermagazine.com domain to Discover magazine rather than to Plait himself? Which is NOT AT ALL the same thing as publicly lambasting a person for the decision of a corporation that publishes that person&#039;s books, got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beck is a loon, yes, and in my limited exposure to him I believe I see a man edging ever closer to actual, clinical insanity. But the author, Phil Plait (not to be confused with Discover magazine) asserts that Beck is a racist. He (the author, not Discover magazine nor any of its subsidiaries) then offers proof via a link to a story in which Beck accuses someone else of being racist. So while Discover magazine may never have called Glenn Beck an idiot (nor anyone else anything ever due to its lack of vocal cords) they DO publish the works of a man (Phil Plait, who is not now nor ever has been Discover magazine) who not only believes that those who accuse others of racism are themselves ipso facto racist, he clearly thinks that everyone else does, too.</p>
<p>And as to the meat of the non-Discover-magazine-author&#8217;s complaint,  let me see if I have this straight: Apparently Mr. Beck&#8217;s publisher (an entity that I am sure the reader can agree is NOT in fact, Glenn Beck) attributed a quote penned by Phil (&#8220;I am NOT Discover magazine&#8221;) Plait on a blog post under the discovermagazine.com domain to Discover magazine rather than to Plait himself? Which is NOT AT ALL the same thing as publicly lambasting a person for the decision of a corporation that publishes that person&#8217;s books, got it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans need to wake up the fact that Beck is simply another opinion pushing charlatan who is a product of mormon cult theology. He does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, he has no qualifications and he is definitely not a true conservative. But then, what can anyone expect from someone who can&#039;t find anything filthier than their own personal reflection. Since people like Beck cannot survive on the basis of any personal merits, they survive by puting others down with lies and half truths in order to feel good about themselves. The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required for alcholics. He flippantly throws around Christian terms like &quot;God&quot;, &quot;Jesus&quot;, &quot;Holy Spirit&quot; as well as voices of other so called &quot;Spirit Powers&quot; on his radio talk show. Beck is a mormon in active standing with the mormon church and is not a Christian. Mormonism teaches many gods, that the god of the earth was once a man who attained godhood status, there is no trinity, the cross of Christ means nothing and that Jesus Christ and Satan were brothers. Because Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, he is the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. The people who love what Beck says are no different than the impressionable sheep who loved every speech made by Adolph Hitler in his early years when he brought Germany into an era of economic prosperity. These same sheep (like the ones who listen to and believe the lies of Beck) also blindly followed Hitler into one of the darkest chapters of world history. Beck and the Fox Network both cater to the same lowest common denominator of demagogery. The man would not know the first thing about God as he is a mormon. Someone should ask him which of the many mormon gods he kept talking about during his argument with himself on Saturday. Unfortunately, these teabaggers out there do not realize that Beck is talking about a different god than that of Christianity, Judaism or Islam and that he has been a product of mormonism cultism from the day he started doing a radio talk show as an opinion pusher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans need to wake up the fact that Beck is simply another opinion pushing charlatan who is a product of mormon cult theology. He does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, he has no qualifications and he is definitely not a true conservative. But then, what can anyone expect from someone who can&#8217;t find anything filthier than their own personal reflection. Since people like Beck cannot survive on the basis of any personal merits, they survive by puting others down with lies and half truths in order to feel good about themselves. The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required for alcholics. He flippantly throws around Christian terms like &#8220;God&#8221;, &#8220;Jesus&#8221;, &#8220;Holy Spirit&#8221; as well as voices of other so called &#8220;Spirit Powers&#8221; on his radio talk show. Beck is a mormon in active standing with the mormon church and is not a Christian. Mormonism teaches many gods, that the god of the earth was once a man who attained godhood status, there is no trinity, the cross of Christ means nothing and that Jesus Christ and Satan were brothers. Because Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, he is the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. The people who love what Beck says are no different than the impressionable sheep who loved every speech made by Adolph Hitler in his early years when he brought Germany into an era of economic prosperity. These same sheep (like the ones who listen to and believe the lies of Beck) also blindly followed Hitler into one of the darkest chapters of world history. Beck and the Fox Network both cater to the same lowest common denominator of demagogery. The man would not know the first thing about God as he is a mormon. Someone should ask him which of the many mormon gods he kept talking about during his argument with himself on Saturday. Unfortunately, these teabaggers out there do not realize that Beck is talking about a different god than that of Christianity, Judaism or Islam and that he has been a product of mormonism cultism from the day he started doing a radio talk show as an opinion pusher.</p>
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		<title>By: profmanagement</title>
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		<dc:creator>profmanagement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to #160  JJ Says, affirmative action did not occur until the 1960 and only is enforced on those with federal contracts or those found guilty of discrimination.  Without affirmative action there is a supposed neutrality that the &quot;best&quot; person will always be chosen. Instead the research shows, that those most like the person hiring are likely to be both interviewed and selected as the outstanding candidate. This typically means that whites get an unfair advantage ( it is an affirmative advantage) and that non-whites will typically be excluded (from persons who do not considered themselves as racist in any way and sincerely believe it).  I don&#039;t believe that these people who choose their own race over others are intentionally trying to be hateful or racist, but the outcome is to choose one race over another in an affirmative  way. This puts non-whites at as a distinctive disadvantage and given this knowledge the federal government has tried to even the playing field for those doing work under a federal contract. It has little effect beyond this narrow area and most companies can easily ignore it by not pursuing a federal contract or by not being found guilty of discrimination.  JJ are you aware of the law and the research that led to the law or are you like Beck and misinformation (or lack of) seems to be sufficient to lead to conclusions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to #160  JJ Says, affirmative action did not occur until the 1960 and only is enforced on those with federal contracts or those found guilty of discrimination.  Without affirmative action there is a supposed neutrality that the &#8220;best&#8221; person will always be chosen. Instead the research shows, that those most like the person hiring are likely to be both interviewed and selected as the outstanding candidate. This typically means that whites get an unfair advantage ( it is an affirmative advantage) and that non-whites will typically be excluded (from persons who do not considered themselves as racist in any way and sincerely believe it).  I don&#8217;t believe that these people who choose their own race over others are intentionally trying to be hateful or racist, but the outcome is to choose one race over another in an affirmative  way. This puts non-whites at as a distinctive disadvantage and given this knowledge the federal government has tried to even the playing field for those doing work under a federal contract. It has little effect beyond this narrow area and most companies can easily ignore it by not pursuing a federal contract or by not being found guilty of discrimination.  JJ are you aware of the law and the research that led to the law or are you like Beck and misinformation (or lack of) seems to be sufficient to lead to conclusions?</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 04:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Beck just addressed a massive conservative rally. We better start believing that there are way too many people watching and believing this stuff. Glenn Beck may be an idiot, but just think how much dumber the people who believe his crap are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Beck just addressed a massive conservative rally. We better start believing that there are way too many people watching and believing this stuff. Glenn Beck may be an idiot, but just think how much dumber the people who believe his crap are.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 12:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily &quot;right wing&quot;, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today&#039;s Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. &quot;

-PoliticalCompass.org

http://politicalcompass.org/analysis2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily &#8220;right wing&#8221;, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today&#8217;s Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. &#8221;</p>
<p>-PoliticalCompass.org</p>
<p><a href="http://politicalcompass.org/analysis2" rel="nofollow">http://politicalcompass.org/analysis2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 23:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Amazing the number of people that will do anything to support a paranoid hysteric like Beck.

At the end of the day, Beck can&#039;t back his arguments up with facts or logic. He states unjustified speculation about people motives, unseen links, historical untruths, and so on facts, either knowing they aren&#039;t justified, exhibiting dishonesty or . . . not knowing they aren&#039;t justified, exhibiting paranoid psychosis.

Frankly, I would prefer to think he&#039;s simply dishonest, but I suspect paranoid psychosis. But, unlike Glenn Beck, I am at least aware I can&#039;t know what is in his mind from here, I can only know his actions.

And his actions are that he stirs up hysteria without any regard for truth, facts, or logic.

Jonnan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Amazing the number of people that will do anything to support a paranoid hysteric like Beck.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, Beck can&#8217;t back his arguments up with facts or logic. He states unjustified speculation about people motives, unseen links, historical untruths, and so on facts, either knowing they aren&#8217;t justified, exhibiting dishonesty or . . . not knowing they aren&#8217;t justified, exhibiting paranoid psychosis.</p>
<p>Frankly, I would prefer to think he&#8217;s simply dishonest, but I suspect paranoid psychosis. But, unlike Glenn Beck, I am at least aware I can&#8217;t know what is in his mind from here, I can only know his actions.</p>
<p>And his actions are that he stirs up hysteria without any regard for truth, facts, or logic.</p>
<p>Jonnan</p>
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		<title>By: Tia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 21:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are so amusing. Beck is brilliant. Stew on. See how far it gets you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are so amusing. Beck is brilliant. Stew on. See how far it gets you.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An intelligent addition to the conversation panic man. Only brainless idiots make comments of that sort. :-) I know it&#039;s frustrating when you&#039;ve run out of any intelligent ideas. 

Paul, you&#039;re right on the unions, they contributed heavily to the downfall of GM and even the left is starting to question their demands for legislative &quot;special treatment&quot;. Fannie and Freddie are corrupt companies as well and they&#039;re still looking for billions in government bucks, they should be audited. Republicans foresaw issues in their lending practices and called for an audit about a year before their collapse, but the Democrats blocked the motion, insisting they were financially sound. Just so happens they donated millions to Dodd, ranking member of the banking committee, and Obama, for the Presidential campaign. That&#039;s a red flag if I&#039;ve ever seen one.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An intelligent addition to the conversation panic man. Only brainless idiots make comments of that sort. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I know it&#8217;s frustrating when you&#8217;ve run out of any intelligent ideas. </p>
<p>Paul, you&#8217;re right on the unions, they contributed heavily to the downfall of GM and even the left is starting to question their demands for legislative &#8220;special treatment&#8221;. Fannie and Freddie are corrupt companies as well and they&#8217;re still looking for billions in government bucks, they should be audited. Republicans foresaw issues in their lending practices and called for an audit about a year before their collapse, but the Democrats blocked the motion, insisting they were financially sound. Just so happens they donated millions to Dodd, ranking member of the banking committee, and Obama, for the Presidential campaign. That&#8217;s a red flag if I&#8217;ve ever seen one.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Floyd
I guess I should point out the conservatives have been spreading their wealth around for a number of years. They spread it out so much that the financial and auto industries went bankrupt and heavily damaged the US economy. The only reason the US finance and auto industries (mostly owned by their shareholders) still exist is because they got loans (not gifts) from the government to be able to stay in business.

The union is what has destroyed the auto industry and almost every other industry, and the democrat congress forcing Freddy and Fannie to give home loans to people who can&#039;t afford.  A guy making 40000/yr should not be in a $500000 home.
Mena, are you kidding.....when the gov controls means of production is just 1 example....wanting to stick it to big business owners with taxes is another....wanting a &quot;sin&quot; tax is another...taking over health care....what do you want.  Maybe you don&#039;t know what it is.   What&#039;s going to happen is that big business will either move out of the country, start getting rid of employees, or outsourcing.   
I still haven&#039;t seen 1 example where socialism works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Floyd<br />
I guess I should point out the conservatives have been spreading their wealth around for a number of years. They spread it out so much that the financial and auto industries went bankrupt and heavily damaged the US economy. The only reason the US finance and auto industries (mostly owned by their shareholders) still exist is because they got loans (not gifts) from the government to be able to stay in business.</p>
<p>The union is what has destroyed the auto industry and almost every other industry, and the democrat congress forcing Freddy and Fannie to give home loans to people who can&#8217;t afford.  A guy making 40000/yr should not be in a $500000 home.<br />
Mena, are you kidding&#8230;..when the gov controls means of production is just 1 example&#8230;.wanting to stick it to big business owners with taxes is another&#8230;.wanting a &#8220;sin&#8221; tax is another&#8230;taking over health care&#8230;.what do you want.  Maybe you don&#8217;t know what it is.   What&#8217;s going to happen is that big business will either move out of the country, start getting rid of employees, or outsourcing.<br />
I still haven&#8217;t seen 1 example where socialism works.</p>
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		<title>By: The Panic Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Panic Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, you&#039;re a tempest of every far-right hate meme out there.  Just shut up before you make yourself look like even more of a brainless idiot, if that&#039;s possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, you&#8217;re a tempest of every far-right hate meme out there.  Just shut up before you make yourself look like even more of a brainless idiot, if that&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 12:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, there are some wackos on the right too, like those morons that protested at funerals of fallen soldiers, claiming soldier&#039;s deaths are the result of God&#039;s wrath against homosexuality. There&#039;s also the ones that want to teach Creation as science. 

I also forgot to mention that even Obama opposes gay marriage, as do the majority of African Americans, which vote Democrat/Liberal 95% of the time. It&#039;s not just a Conservative issue, that&#039;s a common left wing talking point. Just as labeling Conservatives as racist gun toting, Bible thumping rednecks; they may exist, but they don&#039;t hold a political office.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, there are some wackos on the right too, like those morons that protested at funerals of fallen soldiers, claiming soldier&#8217;s deaths are the result of God&#8217;s wrath against homosexuality. There&#8217;s also the ones that want to teach Creation as science. </p>
<p>I also forgot to mention that even Obama opposes gay marriage, as do the majority of African Americans, which vote Democrat/Liberal 95% of the time. It&#8217;s not just a Conservative issue, that&#8217;s a common left wing talking point. Just as labeling Conservatives as racist gun toting, Bible thumping rednecks; they may exist, but they don&#8217;t hold a political office.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 12:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blizno, I&#039;m talking about Libertarianism, not Conservatism. Palin also resigned because wack job Liberals were suing her for everything under the sun, all of which was eventually acquitted on all charges. It was a matter of protecting herself and family financially. Bush was not facing tens of thousands in legal fees. Did you forget she served in that position for 3 years? 

I don&#039;t disagree on the gay marriage issue, but that&#039;s the only case Liberals have on Conservatives for wanting to control everything, typical talking point. Liberals want to control people&#039;s lives like Conservatives, they&#039;re essentially the same for different reasons. I&#039;ve also not known of anybody getting rejected from a job based on race, color, religion, etc., but I&#039;d like to hear all of your evidence supporting that claim. There&#039;s not much evidence to support that claim in the media. Discrimination of that kind is punishable by law, the playing field is level, no need for affirmative action. Liberals represent just as much freedom as Conservatives, as long as you share their views, otherwise you&#039;re demonized. 

As for Social engineering, forcing low income government housing in communities that don&#039;t want it there, just happened in my neck of the woods. Making a local secretary in my former high school take down a menorah in her office because a local atheist a-hole parent happened to see it in there! I&#039;m not religious, but who gives him the right to tell her what to do in her own office? This also happens across the country, people alienated for displaying an American flag of all things at work or school. Praying in a classroom to oneself or with a teacher and being suspended. Not allowing senior citizens to pray before a meal because their food is subsidized by the government. Yet, you think Liberals stand for freedom? I beg to differ. Liberals and Conservatives are essentially the same, do as they say or else. They&#039;re also terrible at handing finances, look at NY and California, both run by Liberals, both nearly bankrupt. The conservative states, they&#039;re not too deep in the hole and some are running surpluses, like Montana. Montana even has a Democratic Governor, fiscally conservative of course. I wish he ran my state. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blizno, I&#8217;m talking about Libertarianism, not Conservatism. Palin also resigned because wack job Liberals were suing her for everything under the sun, all of which was eventually acquitted on all charges. It was a matter of protecting herself and family financially. Bush was not facing tens of thousands in legal fees. Did you forget she served in that position for 3 years? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree on the gay marriage issue, but that&#8217;s the only case Liberals have on Conservatives for wanting to control everything, typical talking point. Liberals want to control people&#8217;s lives like Conservatives, they&#8217;re essentially the same for different reasons. I&#8217;ve also not known of anybody getting rejected from a job based on race, color, religion, etc., but I&#8217;d like to hear all of your evidence supporting that claim. There&#8217;s not much evidence to support that claim in the media. Discrimination of that kind is punishable by law, the playing field is level, no need for affirmative action. Liberals represent just as much freedom as Conservatives, as long as you share their views, otherwise you&#8217;re demonized. </p>
<p>As for Social engineering, forcing low income government housing in communities that don&#8217;t want it there, just happened in my neck of the woods. Making a local secretary in my former high school take down a menorah in her office because a local atheist a-hole parent happened to see it in there! I&#8217;m not religious, but who gives him the right to tell her what to do in her own office? This also happens across the country, people alienated for displaying an American flag of all things at work or school. Praying in a classroom to oneself or with a teacher and being suspended. Not allowing senior citizens to pray before a meal because their food is subsidized by the government. Yet, you think Liberals stand for freedom? I beg to differ. Liberals and Conservatives are essentially the same, do as they say or else. They&#8217;re also terrible at handing finances, look at NY and California, both run by Liberals, both nearly bankrupt. The conservative states, they&#8217;re not too deep in the hole and some are running surpluses, like Montana. Montana even has a Democratic Governor, fiscally conservative of course. I wish he ran my state.</p>
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		<title>By: Blizno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blizno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin represents nobody.

She was elected to a very, very high office, Governor of Alaska.  She decided simply to quit her position.

This wasn&#039;t a &quot;job&quot;.  She didn&#039;t quit her shelf-stocking job at Wal-Mart.
She abandoned her position as one of the highest elected officials of the USA.

Palin did not have the right to abandon her responsibility.  If G. H. W. Bush had decided that he was tired of being criticized and abandoned his post as president of the USA, would he have been handled as gently as S. Palin?  Of course not.  Any elected official who just up and quit in violation of his or her mandate would be treated like an incompetent idiot.

S. Palin has been handled with kid gloves by everybody on the planet.  Any honest person will say that Sarah Palin is very, very stupid, is very corrupt and must never be allowed to have any power over anybody, ever.  This walking, talking joke needs to be put in a little box and hidden away from history.  She embodies the worst disgraces of the Republicans, The radical Christians and the Conservative (control every aspect of US citizens&#039; lives) party.

Conservatives, throw this idiot (S. Palin) onto the trash barge and try to recover at least a scrap of credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin represents nobody.</p>
<p>She was elected to a very, very high office, Governor of Alaska.  She decided simply to quit her position.</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;job&#8221;.  She didn&#8217;t quit her shelf-stocking job at Wal-Mart.<br />
She abandoned her position as one of the highest elected officials of the USA.</p>
<p>Palin did not have the right to abandon her responsibility.  If G. H. W. Bush had decided that he was tired of being criticized and abandoned his post as president of the USA, would he have been handled as gently as S. Palin?  Of course not.  Any elected official who just up and quit in violation of his or her mandate would be treated like an incompetent idiot.</p>
<p>S. Palin has been handled with kid gloves by everybody on the planet.  Any honest person will say that Sarah Palin is very, very stupid, is very corrupt and must never be allowed to have any power over anybody, ever.  This walking, talking joke needs to be put in a little box and hidden away from history.  She embodies the worst disgraces of the Republicans, The radical Christians and the Conservative (control every aspect of US citizens&#8217; lives) party.</p>
<p>Conservatives, throw this idiot (S. Palin) onto the trash barge and try to recover at least a scrap of credibility.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Blizno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>160.   JJ Says: 
&quot;Today’s Liberal means big government regulation, social engineering, and forcing people to abide by the laws of a few politicians.&quot;

Because the Liberals are working ferociously to control who marries whom, one of if not the most private of personal decisions that a person can ever make?  Who is controlling citizens&#039; behavior in their private bedrooms?  Liberals?  Uh...no.
The state-controlled domination  of the most private of human activities is only being pursued by the Right-wing Republichristians.  Liberals keep their noses out of citizens&#039; private lives, as they should; as all should.
Today&#039;s Conservatives are doing their utmost to dominate what every citizen does and what every citizen wants.  Freedom?  Hardly.
&quot;Social engineering&quot;?  Please tell me how the social engineering of who marries whom is a liberal agenda.  Please.
Please tell me how the social engineering of deciding that marriage forbids two loving men to marry each other or two loving women to marry each other is a liberal agenda.
I&#039;m waiting...

&quot;...forcing people to abide by the laws of a few politicians.&quot;
Are you making a joke?  You describe the Republican agenda, which is to force all citizens to abide by the laws of a few politicians (gay marriage, abortion, etc.), and then you twist reality to pretend that it is the agenda of those who represent freedom, the Liberals.  I&#039;m stunned by your audacity.

&quot;Same goes for affirmative action, which may have been appropriate in the 1950’s, it’s no longer needed today. It gives an unfair advantage to someone based on skin color over achievement&quot;
Because US businesses are dominated by blacks, by Hispanics and by women.
Oh, wait...they&#039;re not.
Equal opportunity hasn&#039;t yet been achieved.  I&#039;m sure that you can relate a few anecdotes of a white man who was passed over for a promotion so a less qualified woman or Hispanic could get the promotion.  Please tell us how many women, how many Hispanics, how many blacks, how many gays, how many atheists did not get the jobs or promotions that they earned.  Tell us the whole story, not a tiny snapshot.

&quot;Racial discrimination is already considered a hate crime under the law, why do we still need affirmative action?&quot;
Because the upper levels of business and politics are still dominated by white men.
Yes, Obama is at the highest level an American can reach (hurray USA!) but he is an outlier.  Except for Obama, all US presidents have been white men.  All of them who professed a religion, except JFK, were Protestant Christians.  JFK was fiercely attacked (by the Conservatives) because he was a Catholic Christian.  There has never been a Jewish, a Shinto or a godless president.
We have a long, long way to go before we can even approach equality.  It was only because G. W. Bush was so universally despised and the Republican party so badly discredited that it was even possible for a half-black man to be elected president of the USA.  Under any other circumstances Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton would have had no chance against any white, Protestant-Christian man running against them.

Your bizarre fantasy that women and minorities are overwhelming white men is, frankly, puzzling.
The religions of US presidents?  Of those who clearly declared their religion affiliation, all but one were Protestant Christian.  The one outlier was JFK, a Catholic Christian.
Diversity is out of control! &lt;snark&gt;

JJ, the USA is not a furiously boiling melting pot that is crushing white, Christian men under the boots, sandals and bare feet of non (white, male, Christian, whatever) s that you fear so much.  The USA remains firmly under the domination of white, Christian men.  You are safe.  Relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>160.   JJ Says:<br />
&#8220;Today’s Liberal means big government regulation, social engineering, and forcing people to abide by the laws of a few politicians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because the Liberals are working ferociously to control who marries whom, one of if not the most private of personal decisions that a person can ever make?  Who is controlling citizens&#8217; behavior in their private bedrooms?  Liberals?  Uh&#8230;no.<br />
The state-controlled domination  of the most private of human activities is only being pursued by the Right-wing Republichristians.  Liberals keep their noses out of citizens&#8217; private lives, as they should; as all should.<br />
Today&#8217;s Conservatives are doing their utmost to dominate what every citizen does and what every citizen wants.  Freedom?  Hardly.<br />
&#8220;Social engineering&#8221;?  Please tell me how the social engineering of who marries whom is a liberal agenda.  Please.<br />
Please tell me how the social engineering of deciding that marriage forbids two loving men to marry each other or two loving women to marry each other is a liberal agenda.<br />
I&#8217;m waiting&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;forcing people to abide by the laws of a few politicians.&#8221;<br />
Are you making a joke?  You describe the Republican agenda, which is to force all citizens to abide by the laws of a few politicians (gay marriage, abortion, etc.), and then you twist reality to pretend that it is the agenda of those who represent freedom, the Liberals.  I&#8217;m stunned by your audacity.</p>
<p>&#8220;Same goes for affirmative action, which may have been appropriate in the 1950’s, it’s no longer needed today. It gives an unfair advantage to someone based on skin color over achievement&#8221;<br />
Because US businesses are dominated by blacks, by Hispanics and by women.<br />
Oh, wait&#8230;they&#8217;re not.<br />
Equal opportunity hasn&#8217;t yet been achieved.  I&#8217;m sure that you can relate a few anecdotes of a white man who was passed over for a promotion so a less qualified woman or Hispanic could get the promotion.  Please tell us how many women, how many Hispanics, how many blacks, how many gays, how many atheists did not get the jobs or promotions that they earned.  Tell us the whole story, not a tiny snapshot.</p>
<p>&#8220;Racial discrimination is already considered a hate crime under the law, why do we still need affirmative action?&#8221;<br />
Because the upper levels of business and politics are still dominated by white men.<br />
Yes, Obama is at the highest level an American can reach (hurray USA!) but he is an outlier.  Except for Obama, all US presidents have been white men.  All of them who professed a religion, except JFK, were Protestant Christians.  JFK was fiercely attacked (by the Conservatives) because he was a Catholic Christian.  There has never been a Jewish, a Shinto or a godless president.<br />
We have a long, long way to go before we can even approach equality.  It was only because G. W. Bush was so universally despised and the Republican party so badly discredited that it was even possible for a half-black man to be elected president of the USA.  Under any other circumstances Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton would have had no chance against any white, Protestant-Christian man running against them.</p>
<p>Your bizarre fantasy that women and minorities are overwhelming white men is, frankly, puzzling.<br />
The religions of US presidents?  Of those who clearly declared their religion affiliation, all but one were Protestant Christian.  The one outlier was JFK, a Catholic Christian.<br />
Diversity is out of control! <snark></p>
<p>JJ, the USA is not a furiously boiling melting pot that is crushing white, Christian men under the boots, sandals and bare feet of non (white, male, Christian, whatever) s that you fear so much.  The USA remains firmly under the domination of white, Christian men.  You are safe.  Relax.</snark></p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal, in the traditionalist sense (during the founding of the country), is not the same as the modern definition of Liberal. Today&#039;s Liberal means big government regulation, social engineering, and forcing people to abide by the laws of a few politicians. The traditional definition of Liberal most closely fits the current definition of Libertarian, namely small government, free markets, individual liberty, personal responsibility, and equal opportunity for all; socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Today&#039;s Liberals have it all wrong, their title is an oxymoron. For example, most Liberals don&#039;t want people to have guns, that&#039;s hardly Liberal in the traditionalist sense. Same goes for affirmative action, which may have been appropriate in the 1950&#039;s, it&#039;s no longer needed today. It gives an unfair advantage to someone based on skin color over achievement (discrimination? every man created equal?). Racial discrimination is already considered a hate crime under the law, why do we still need affirmative action? Would you feel good knowing you scored lower on an exam than other qualified people and got a job over them for simply being a minority? That&#039;s degrading in my opinion. I&#039;m not much a fan of arugula or wine myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal, in the traditionalist sense (during the founding of the country), is not the same as the modern definition of Liberal. Today&#8217;s Liberal means big government regulation, social engineering, and forcing people to abide by the laws of a few politicians. The traditional definition of Liberal most closely fits the current definition of Libertarian, namely small government, free markets, individual liberty, personal responsibility, and equal opportunity for all; socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Today&#8217;s Liberals have it all wrong, their title is an oxymoron. For example, most Liberals don&#8217;t want people to have guns, that&#8217;s hardly Liberal in the traditionalist sense. Same goes for affirmative action, which may have been appropriate in the 1950&#8242;s, it&#8217;s no longer needed today. It gives an unfair advantage to someone based on skin color over achievement (discrimination? every man created equal?). Racial discrimination is already considered a hate crime under the law, why do we still need affirmative action? Would you feel good knowing you scored lower on an exam than other qualified people and got a job over them for simply being a minority? That&#8217;s degrading in my opinion. I&#8217;m not much a fan of arugula or wine myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@157: I&#039;ve seen her shoot and she&#039;s not very good at handling recoil on the rifle. Especially when it&#039;s mounted on a pivot on a helicopter. Oh wait... I forgot that since I&#039;m a pinko commie fag I can&#039;t know how to shoot or own firearms. Oops! I guess I better turn in my Hi-Power at the next meeting where we plot out ways to further villify hard-working Americans(if you say something about arugula or wine in a response I should give you fair warning that I only learned what the former was from being called an &quot;arugula eating wine sipping liberal&quot; and I can&#039;t stand wine).

&lt;i&gt;Anyways&lt;/i&gt;... I&#039;m only afraid of her if she holds an elected office as she&#039;s not equipped mentally to do so. There are plenty of people who I disagree with that, I think, would not destroy the country if at the helm. That being said Sarah Palin and Ron Paul are not among them. I respect Mr. Paul&#039;s consistency in his positions but they&#039;re too uncompromising to deal with the facts on the ground.

@58: When presented with a cohesive reasonable argument from a different point of a view I&#039;m more than willing to hear out the other side if they&#039;re speaking from a point of genuine debate on a complex issue. I don&#039;t abide teaching the bible in science class because it&#039;s not a reasonable argument to be had. Science is science, theology is theology. When presented as theology it gives the disclaimer as such, when it&#039;s science you stop dealing with a &quot;soft&quot; subject and start to take on the spectre of fact. On the other hand if you were to effectively describe why you think the law(which I feel is draconian) in AZ is a good idea then I&#039;d listen to you. I might disagree, but I&#039;d still listen because illegal immigration is a legitimate security concern that has many different angles to it and hearing multiple sources is always a good way to realize the flaws in your own logic and those in the arguments of others.  There&#039;s even a chance that I&#039;d change my mind like I have on multiple issues once I&#039;ve seen it from a different yet still sane point of view.

I would like to state that if a person&#039;s knee jerk reaction to something is automatically &quot;OH MY GOD THEY&#039;RE JUST LIKE HITLER&quot; then they&#039;re not exactly the brightest of the bunch. One of my big regrets is that, even though I never claimed Bush was a chimpanzee or retarded, I sounded like an ass for using the Nazi/fascist card as my go to when Bush was president. It diminished my points on that when it was valid since I used it so frequently. The difference was that from 2001-2006 I was in my mid to late &lt;i&gt;teens&lt;/i&gt;. The &quot;Tea Party&quot; people are on average older than that and should know better if they want to be taken seriously. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@157: I&#8217;ve seen her shoot and she&#8217;s not very good at handling recoil on the rifle. Especially when it&#8217;s mounted on a pivot on a helicopter. Oh wait&#8230; I forgot that since I&#8217;m a pinko commie fag I can&#8217;t know how to shoot or own firearms. Oops! I guess I better turn in my Hi-Power at the next meeting where we plot out ways to further villify hard-working Americans(if you say something about arugula or wine in a response I should give you fair warning that I only learned what the former was from being called an &#8220;arugula eating wine sipping liberal&#8221; and I can&#8217;t stand wine).</p>
<p><i>Anyways</i>&#8230; I&#8217;m only afraid of her if she holds an elected office as she&#8217;s not equipped mentally to do so. There are plenty of people who I disagree with that, I think, would not destroy the country if at the helm. That being said Sarah Palin and Ron Paul are not among them. I respect Mr. Paul&#8217;s consistency in his positions but they&#8217;re too uncompromising to deal with the facts on the ground.</p>
<p>@58: When presented with a cohesive reasonable argument from a different point of a view I&#8217;m more than willing to hear out the other side if they&#8217;re speaking from a point of genuine debate on a complex issue. I don&#8217;t abide teaching the bible in science class because it&#8217;s not a reasonable argument to be had. Science is science, theology is theology. When presented as theology it gives the disclaimer as such, when it&#8217;s science you stop dealing with a &#8220;soft&#8221; subject and start to take on the spectre of fact. On the other hand if you were to effectively describe why you think the law(which I feel is draconian) in AZ is a good idea then I&#8217;d listen to you. I might disagree, but I&#8217;d still listen because illegal immigration is a legitimate security concern that has many different angles to it and hearing multiple sources is always a good way to realize the flaws in your own logic and those in the arguments of others.  There&#8217;s even a chance that I&#8217;d change my mind like I have on multiple issues once I&#8217;ve seen it from a different yet still sane point of view.</p>
<p>I would like to state that if a person&#8217;s knee jerk reaction to something is automatically &#8220;OH MY GOD THEY&#8217;RE JUST LIKE HITLER&#8221; then they&#8217;re not exactly the brightest of the bunch. One of my big regrets is that, even though I never claimed Bush was a chimpanzee or retarded, I sounded like an ass for using the Nazi/fascist card as my go to when Bush was president. It diminished my points on that when it was valid since I used it so frequently. The difference was that from 2001-2006 I was in my mid to late <i>teens</i>. The &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; people are on average older than that and should know better if they want to be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Arquette Sisters@58:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Phil, you are teetering on intellectually dishonesty. I seem to recall you calling Tea Party people Tea Baggers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How on earth is this intellectual dishonesty?  He didn&#039;t say he never uses epithets, he said he doesn&#039;t like using them, and would prefer not to.  That doesn&#039;t mean that an occasion never arises where he would use them, as he just did now when he admitted to calling Beck an idiot.  No dishonesty here, just lack of reading comprehension on your part.  And as for Tea Party people being referred to as Teabaggers, many of them call themselves that.  Sure, their critics now use it pejoratively as an insult, but those intellectually deficient teabaggers should&#039;ve thought about that before they decided to call themselves teabaggers.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Not a fan of Beck, he is somewhat of a hack. But it is funny how liberals when presented with an idea outside their own narrow views suddenly are not so liberal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.  Are you trying to sound intelligent by being obscure?  I consider myself to be liberal on most social issues, but none of my liberal beliefs involves restrictions on calling out stupidity with some well-deserved ad hominems.  Don&#039;t like it when stupid people get called out?  Tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arquette Sisters@58:</p>
<blockquote><p>Phil, you are teetering on intellectually dishonesty. I seem to recall you calling Tea Party people Tea Baggers.</p></blockquote>
<p>How on earth is this intellectual dishonesty?  He didn&#8217;t say he never uses epithets, he said he doesn&#8217;t like using them, and would prefer not to.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that an occasion never arises where he would use them, as he just did now when he admitted to calling Beck an idiot.  No dishonesty here, just lack of reading comprehension on your part.  And as for Tea Party people being referred to as Teabaggers, many of them call themselves that.  Sure, their critics now use it pejoratively as an insult, but those intellectually deficient teabaggers should&#8217;ve thought about that before they decided to call themselves teabaggers.</p>
<blockquote><p>Not a fan of Beck, he is somewhat of a hack. But it is funny how liberals when presented with an idea outside their own narrow views suddenly are not so liberal.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.  Are you trying to sound intelligent by being obscure?  I consider myself to be liberal on most social issues, but none of my liberal beliefs involves restrictions on calling out stupidity with some well-deserved ad hominems.  Don&#8217;t like it when stupid people get called out?  Tough.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are Liberals so afraid of Sarah Palin? Must be because she knows how to use a gun and doesn&#039;t kill babies... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are Liberals so afraid of Sarah Palin? Must be because she knows how to use a gun and doesn&#8217;t kill babies&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rrt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 14:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But...he already has noted what these space heroes and very smart folks have said, as you acknowledged. He noted that they disagree with the current approach. And he has discussed that approach, and dissenting opinions including Aldrin&#039;s, at some length in the past, at least to a degree that I would think would satisfy your interest.

Is it really so important that he write a specific article addressing each instance a prominent space personality expresses an opinion on space policy?

I&#039;m not trying to be hostile here. I just think your expectations are still a bit impractical, and largely met anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230;he already has noted what these space heroes and very smart folks have said, as you acknowledged. He noted that they disagree with the current approach. And he has discussed that approach, and dissenting opinions including Aldrin&#8217;s, at some length in the past, at least to a degree that I would think would satisfy your interest.</p>
<p>Is it really so important that he write a specific article addressing each instance a prominent space personality expresses an opinion on space policy?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be hostile here. I just think your expectations are still a bit impractical, and largely met anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 12:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@:34 &lt;i&gt;I’m not a fan of Beck, but I gotta give him props for having enough of a sense of humor about himself to put those quotes on his dust jacket. &lt;/i&gt;

That wasn&#039;t about humor. Beck is reaching out to the &quot;silent majority&quot; folks that Nixon pandered to in the 60s/70s. When those are listed they list whatever they can as institutions so that you can know that they don&#039;t like him, and that &quot;they&#039;re not like you and I&quot;. He did the quotes to create a sense that the book is something &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t want you to know about, and something you shouldn&#039;t read.

But &quot;they&quot; are the elites and what do they know? I found it informative that he neglected to include clips that insulted him from conservative intellectuals/institutions like Christopher Hitchens, The Economist, Atlantic, and The Weekly Standard.

@146: &lt;i&gt;Ron Paul/Sarah Palin 2012! And for all the Palin bashers, she has much more experience in public office than Obama &lt;/i&gt;

Obama&#039;s been president for a little more than a year and has been in some form of elected office since 1996 when he was a state senator. Sarah Palin quit halfway through her first term because she missed the attention. There are plenty of serious well thought out conservatives but Paul/Palin would add nothing to a race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@:34 <i>I’m not a fan of Beck, but I gotta give him props for having enough of a sense of humor about himself to put those quotes on his dust jacket. </i></p>
<p>That wasn&#8217;t about humor. Beck is reaching out to the &#8220;silent majority&#8221; folks that Nixon pandered to in the 60s/70s. When those are listed they list whatever they can as institutions so that you can know that they don&#8217;t like him, and that &#8220;they&#8217;re not like you and I&#8221;. He did the quotes to create a sense that the book is something <i>they</i> don&#8217;t want you to know about, and something you shouldn&#8217;t read.</p>
<p>But &#8220;they&#8221; are the elites and what do they know? I found it informative that he neglected to include clips that insulted him from conservative intellectuals/institutions like Christopher Hitchens, The Economist, Atlantic, and The Weekly Standard.</p>
<p>@146: <i>Ron Paul/Sarah Palin 2012! And for all the Palin bashers, she has much more experience in public office than Obama </i></p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s been president for a little more than a year and has been in some form of elected office since 1996 when he was a state senator. Sarah Palin quit halfway through her first term because she missed the attention. There are plenty of serious well thought out conservatives but Paul/Palin would add nothing to a race.</p>
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