Damn.

By Phil Plait | June 22, 2010 3:05 pm

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Image credit: NASA and the MODIS Rapid Response Team

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  1. That’s a lot of oil.

  2. Tom

    I don’t know what to say.

  3. Guysmiley777

    Phil, I think you owe an apology to BP for posting that embarrassing image on your blog. After all, haven’t they already gone through enough? I mean, they SAID they were sorry.

    /Sarcasm off

    I think Joe Barton should be dropped in the middle of the slick and be made to swim for a mile, then see if he still wants to offer up apologies to BP.

  4. Its time for me to go into pessimistic mode. There is no way to clean that up. Its just beyond…well its now indefinable.

  5. ND

    BP go @#$* yourself. I’m sorry BP, but it needed to be said.

    Edit: There seems to be a somewhat clear are of water in the upper right hand corner.

  6. It makes me heartsick to see that. :(

  7. Your Name Here

    Biggest Polluters indeed.

  8. Douglas Troy

    Looking at that picture, makes me feel ashamed to be a human being.

  9. Lucas

    wow, I just saw a poll on CNN that said 60% of Americans now disapprove of Obama’s handling of the oil spill, and that the governors are raising complaints about the giant bureaucracy thats preventing them from cleaing up the oil. How’s he expect to get reelected in 2012 if he keeps messing up like this?

    Shameful.

  10. JWow

    I have no words for this, or the rest of the stunts that BP is pulling. I pray that America will never forget this tragedy.

  11. That’s too much contamination, this image says everything.

  12. Lonny Eachus

    Come on, folks, let’s not forget who is equally to blame here: our Federal government.

    Congress (in response to lobbyists no doubt) put a damage cap of $75,000,000 on oil spills. Considering the daily profits of the large oil companies, that’s a drop in the bucket (no pun intended). That ENCOURAGES them to cut corners.

    Then, when they wanted to drill in shallower water (with approval of the locals!) the Federal government said no, you have to go further out.

    The body given oversight of the drillers (Minerals Service) failed in its duty to actually provide oversight.

    Your tax dollars at work, folks. Remember in November.

  13. What is this, some sort of “shakedown”? Poor BP is just trying to pull off a Jackson Pollock on a global scale and this is what they get…. The public has no appreciation for artwork, I tell you. Here they are, just trying to enrich the gulf states with free oil, and they get slammed. What a terrible shame that is for people who are just trying to be good global citizens with their money…. Think of all the fish which now have oil-enriched lives, like citizens in the Gulf Arab States, huh? They can buy better protection against pollution and all that. And for all the conservationists out there: did you ever stop to think that with all this oil in the water, all the fish are now protected against being fished by us humans? You guys should be on the side of BP, not against it! BP is *saving* the environment, you see! They’re trying to help endangered species…in their own pragmatic way. Drilling for more oil will only help to *save* the environment!

    Ok…I’ll stop now. I can’t go on lying like this. =)

  14. Wow… I didn’t realize how much of the Gulf it had covered… just woah.

  15. ozprof

    Why so glum BA? This little bit of oil is nothing! Shawn Hannity said so many times on Fox news. Repeatedly said it was just an excuse for wacko greens to try and destroy the USA by stopping offsshore drilling! And being such an impecible source, he has to be right. After all… a judge has just agreed with him. The triffling fact that said judge has sizable investments with offshore drilling companies has absolutely nothing whatsoever with his decision. /sarcasm

  16. @ 11 – do you really think anything is going to change in Congress on any of those issues, though? Congress – both parties – have to sell themselves out to big business because only business has the financial backing required to supported extensive and expensive election campaigns.

    You could chuck out even single incumbent in the House and Senate and not a single thing would change, you’d just get different faces telling the same lies.

  17. Mandy

    Wow. Just wow.

  18. Ésquilo

    Don’t worry guys. There’s much more oil where that came from.

  19. Ghrite

    If the animal kingdom wasn’t planning on getting revenge on humans before they certainly are now. Poor things die everyday because of this screw up. Sucks when you gotta suffer for someone else’s mistake.

  20. Bill Hicks

    We’re a virus with shoes. – Bill Hicks

  21. Lucas

    @12 Way to fail at using sarcasm to make a point.

  22. shawmutt

    I haven’t changed my driving habits at all–I wonder how many Americans have due to this oil spill? Most of us are more worried about a rise in gas prices than the environmental implications of our oil use. As much oil as this is, this is literally a drop in the ocean to what we go through daily in the production of all the crap we buy and the driving we do.

    But it’s much easier to blame authority.

  23. Paul from VA

    I was curious of this was a true color or IR image, since the MODIS instrument can do both. It’s true color. However, along the way, I discovered that there is a website where you can look at all of the bands of imaging of the gulf of Mexico over the past many days. The spill is barely noticeable in images from 5/24…

    linky

    I wonder if the rapid increase in oil is due to a cutback in the use of dispersants?

  24. ccpetersen

    How is one man supposed to handle all this? People can blame Obama if they wish, but they’re ignoring the larger picture here — the one that has all of us sucking down gas in our cars, etc. And, the fact that so many of our politicians have taken money from the ilk of BP in order to influence the legislation that our government has to work with in the cleanup, regulation, etc. of oil drilling. We get the government that BP et al paid for.

    Oh, and for those who are screeching that “gubmint” is working too slow, etc. etc. I might point out that the GOP, for years, has been screeching that gubmint is broken, they don’t want it messing in other people’s bidness, etc. How highly ironic that now that mostly GOP-ruled states are being hurt by the actions of the oil companies that have them in their back pockets, suddenly the GOP is yelling about needing government action (well, they probably really just want the money to replace wealthy donors’ beaches and country clubs while letting the fishermen, who are really the ones being hurt by this action, starve). Hypocrisy much?

    GOP spends years breaking government, yelling about how it’s broken, and now they’re yelling for a handout. And government help.

  25. Mike

    What a mess.. fuuuuuuuuuu

    What is there to say? What is there to do? :-/

  26. This is simultaneously heartbreaking and infuriating. I’m literally fighting tears right now…and it’s frustrating, because I know that getting upset isn’t enough.

    Consider donating to one of the Gulf Coast Oil Spill Relief projects on Crowdrise. If anyone knows of any other good sites for donations, let me know.

    http://www.crowdrise.com/oilspill

  27. sandmannc40

    And you wonder why Obama did nothing for 30 + days.

    He keeps saying he was on the spill since day 1.

    So that means he (Obama) purposely did nothing for 30+ days so he could push his Cap and Tax bill where your energy bill (electric) will skyrocket (his words not mine). Going from about $100 a month to over a $1000 a month.

    This is the HOPE and CHANGE you VOTED for?

    My GOD were you on DRUGS?

    He can’t and never ran a business what makes you think he can run the Greatest Nation on Earth, when he took office that is what America was and he has managed to destroy that standing in just a Year and a Half. He has managed to destroy Banking, Auto, Housing, Health Care and soon Energy. How long will you let him destroy this Nation?

  28. pj

    So much for human evolution. How could we do this to ourselves? I’m going back to bed. This is too sad.

  29. cassandra

    Yep. Planet’s screwed. Most of it won’t be habitable by human beings within the next century. It’s on runaway thermal cascade and there’s no way it can be stopped without technology that doesn’t exist yet. It’s been too late for the past twenty years. Now everyone’s starting to see that the Titanic is sinking and there are no lifeboats. Pointing fingers of blame is the only thing left to do, and is even less useful than the band playing on while the Earth sinks.

  30. Dr.Sid

    Come on people .. this is EXACTLY bad science. Emotions ? Sure .. you MUST throw them away. Yes .. it’s bad. But not as bad as it looks from the orbit. What you see is minor change in water reflectivity. That is produced by very tiny layer of light oil. It has almost no impact on the wild life. There are more dangerous effects of the oil spill, but not so showy, yes.

  31. Paul D.

    Barton’s point, if I understood it, was that BP should be confronted in court, not by extra-legal bullying.

    The US legal system is entirely capable of destroying the company, if damages are high enough. And no, that $75M damage limit is not going to apply.

  32. Kerrie

    The blame for this can not land on one person, so let’s lay off a president who did not lay the groundwork for any drilling, oil consumption, or environmental regulations, please. Large groups of people are responsible for this. One thing the president is doing, and quite rightly, too, is calling for a bigger push for cleaner, more sustainable energy. Makes me glad I bought a hybrid, at least.

    Beyond focusing all our energy on who’s to blame, let’s put all that energy into thinking how to clean it up. Because folks, our world is now literally changed FOREVER.

  33. Mike

    Depressed, helpless, angry.

  34. Yes, just a very tiny layer of light oil. Almost no impact on wild life.

    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/oil_in_the_gulf_two_months_lat.html#photo25

    Throw away those emotions. Who needs ‘em.

  35. jj

    “The US legal system is entirely capable of destroying the company”

    No, sadly, it isn’t. Obama’s “extra-legal bullying” was designed to prevent BP’s plan to give away its profits and assets in the form of dividends and bonuses, declare bankruptcy in the face of lawsuits, and give taxpayers the cleanup bill.

    Barton’s point, along with the rest of the republicans, is that BP should be allowed the same privilege of every other corporation to privatize profits and socialize losses.

  36. Adam

    Soon we’ll be able to run our cars on seawater.

    To be honest I’m not sure why Obama is getting a lot of flak for this. Do they expect him to go down with a pair of waders and a bucket?

  37. Derek

    The largest man-made object visible from space.

  38. nosleep3

    @20 Okay, this is me divorcing emotion from the evidence.

    From the National Wildlife Federation: “As of today, 997 dead birds, 47 dead mammals and 400 dead sea turtles have been recovered in the Gulf.”

    Almost no impact on the wildlife? Really? Nearly fifteen hundred dead animals dead. And that’s just what’s been recovered so far. What was that about bad science?

  39. Big Fat Earl

    Hypocrisy much?

    While we’re on that subject, if I went back through the comments here, how many of you people saying “don’t blame Obama” would I find who have posted comments blaming Bush for every evil that happened in the last 10 years (rounding off)? That’s right, a whole lot. Hypocrisy much?

    That said, I don’t believe blaming one man because things aren’t getting done is the right thing to do. It’s just…interesting how people’s tunes change when it isn’t (or is) their man in the White House.

  40. NAW

    That is a bit odd on how people keep wanting to make things that can be seen from space and when we do it is really bad. And thanks @Dr.Sid, that is the skeptic’s worse Achilles Heal. Our sad ability to rant off like the other short thinking people around us with things like this going on. But hey we are human.

    So if you think in the long run, like a hundred years or so, things may be back in order. But by then only the major Gulf coast communities will be around to see it and maybe rebuild after it. We will have to add a few more species to our kill list. But with hope by that time we will have a better energy source. And a hole new list of power/money hungry CEOs to get mad at for stuff.

  41. sophia8

    Phil, maybe you can dig up some recent satellite images of the Niger Delta oil contamination? Just for comparison?
    ETA: I’m not belittling the horrifying damage the Gulf spillage is doing. But it’s not the only huge oil-spill disaster.

  42. Brian Too

    I’d like the CEO of BP to get his life back. Yes, with the yacht and everything. In the Gulf of Mexico, with skimmer gear installed, working 18 hour days until the oil is gone.

  43. Russell

    Hey 24, Earl,
    I bet would could look at your history of political approach and find that you rarely saw fault with Pres. Bush (and he had faults aplenty, no doubt), but always find fault with Obama (he’s pretty mediocre as well in many ways). It just seems that all the Obama haters are way more insane than Bush haters. I will admit that I fear for the next election, not because I am afraid of a republican run government, but because there is new sort of hatred floating in the air, one that could lead to a cultural revolution-esqe type lining up of any supposed liberals and scientists to be executed.

  44. Angus Martin

    @ Lonny:

    There are shallow-water rigs off the coast of Louisiana.

    Don’t believe everything Fox tells you.

  45. @ Big Fat Earl:

    While we’re on that subject, if I went back through the comments here, how many of you people saying “don’t blame Obama” would I find who have posted comments blaming Bush for every evil that happened in the last 10 years (rounding off)? That’s right, a whole lot. Hypocrisy much?

    I don’t blame bush for every evil, just the ones he had a hand in…such as the continued deregulation of industries that have shown not the slightest interest in regulating themselves, not to mention the continued emasculation of those government agencies tasked with doing the regulating by staffing them with industry cronies.

    Personally, I don’t think Obama has done a good job on this, if only because his administration has failed to recognize its severity and act accordingly. Action should have been taken first, questions about culpability asked later. You cannot convince me that a nation that can send its military around the world at the drop of a turban couldn’t task that same military and its engineers, and all the corporations that make tons of money supporting both, with coming up with a solution to this threat – and it is a threat – to our country.

    But no. That would be socialism, wouldn’t it, Big Fat Earl? All part of the evil Obama plan.

  46. Angus Martin

    @ 21 Paul D.

    See, that’s precisely why the legal system isn’t being allowed to do its job. The Escrow account is hardly extra-legal bullying…it’s protection for BP.

    It makes it so BP can survive, and not get itself sued out of existence.

  47. Cairnos

    Anyone know how the affected coasts rate in terms of numbers of unique species? I know most places have at least one or two at least but some places are packed with ‘only found here’ species.

    Now I’m from New Zealand so I can’t really weigh in on the pro/anti Obama thing but I will say that it seemed that some people started blaming Obama for the handling of this within a very short space of time after the leak occurred. It’s almost like the expected him to put on a cape and use some kind of mystical powers to ‘un-happen’ it.

  48. Michael

    http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/

    Google map overlay that puts the oil rig in your current location, and shows you just how much area has been covered in a way much more easily understood by most people

    If centered on New York, it would cover the entirety of Connecticut and Rhode Island, nearly all of Massachusetts and New Jersey, and parts of New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware and Maryland.

    It also shows the thickness/density of the spill, for all the ‘it’s just a sheen’ people.

  49. Rick

    The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush was the source and created his problems while Obama is reacting to the problems (many created by Bush).

    When you try and make a comparison between the two on the grounds of “hypocrissy” of their supports you simply just lose if you are on Bush’s side.

    Remember, Obama inherited the problems, Bush created them. Having a problem with how Obama is running his office is one thing, but marking him as a cause is asinine.

  50. Janet Factor

    That is such a great extent of the surface waters, it makes me worry about effects on weather due to reduced evaporation rates.

  51. The Other Ian

    While we’re on that subject, if I went back through the comments here, how many of you people saying “don’t blame Obama” would I find who have posted comments blaming Bush for every evil that happened in the last 10 years (rounding off)? That’s right, a whole lot. Hypocrisy much?

    While I voted for Obama, I’m not going to be one to defend him on this issue, as I think he is partly to blame — if nothing else, it was Obama’s administration that exempted BP from a detailed environmental impact study.

    That said, I think it’s probable that the same thing would have happened if McCain or Clinton had won, or if Bush had still happened to be in office.

  52. Lucas

    @34 Rick: If you’re gonna blame Bush, then you gotta blame Clinton too. Hell, how far back do you wanna go? Your argument that Bush is the only one who created these problems is utterly stupid, both parties are equally responsible.

  53. Bahdum (aka Richard)

    The photo looks like that scene in “Star Trek: First Contact” when the crew of the Enterprise sees what the Borg did to Earth after traveling back in time.

    Has the Gulf passed the catastrophe threshold already? Or has raced past “apocalyptic”?

  54. Lee451

    The effects of this spill will me minimal and nature will clear it up eventually. As I recall, people claimed that the Exxon Valdez spill “irreparably destroyed ” Prince William Sound and “the area would never recover”. As it turned out, the cleanup process did far more damage than the spilled oil did.

    Oil leaks into the ocean from (natural) undersea faults every day. We never hear about these because many are in the middle of the ocean where they are not seen and because nature cleans it up.

    I think the $20 billion set aside is a shakedown as well. Most of that money will be grabbed by the government and some of it will be doled out to people in that area. Congress and money are like an alcoholic and booze; they cannot just let it sit there, they can never get enough and they always demand more.

  55. that is a ridiculous photo, amazing, and sad at the same time

  56. Erin N.
  57. Matt

    @lucas yeah, because clearly this is obama’s fault right?

    are you freakin kidding me?

    This isn’t a president’s fault. This is BP’s fault.

  58. Enough with the oil spill! What about our disappearing sunspots?
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/21/AR2010062104114.html
    Hmmm…. And they’re disappearing just in time for 2012….

  59. Kevin F.

    Yeah, I know. They need to clear those clouds out of there.

  60. blame BP?

    So, that’s about three hours of America’s gasoline for driving. But, oh so much worse when it’s loose in ocean instead of secure in our gas tanks.

  61. Joe K. Biden

    According to the President of the United States, the Federal Government has been in charge of the spill containment and cleanup from the very start of the crisis. Not BP, the Federal Government. So why all the criticism for BP? They aren’t responsible for any failures to contain or clean the oil; the President of the United States has told us the Federal Government is. Are you calling our President a liar?

  62. Brian

    Worst. Oil painting. Ever.

  63. Patrick Lienby

    Some of you are quite delusional.
    Photo/Chart of the worst ocean spills in history.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joug/4700592764/sizes/o/

  64. Sedition

    This stupid bipartisan bickering never has, nor ever will get us anywhere. If you really care about the situation and want to do something about it, stop blaming each other and do something about it.
    http://letsmovebeyondoil.org/

  65. Max

    Wow, look at all that oil we’re missing out on. Lots of gasoline, eh?

  66. tk

    Lonny Eachus

    Thanks for that comment. Yes, do rememeber the 75 milion dollar damage cap when you vote in November. Also recall that it was passed in 1990 with the vast majority of the yes votes coming from the – well, you already know the party, it’s a pro oil bill after all – and signed into law by President Bush.

  67. Ford

    All BP did was drill a hole. The earth polluted itself.

  68. Left_Wing_Fox

    BP is of course, directly responsible for the disaster, lying about it’s ability to fix and mitigate the disaster, and cutting corners, and ignoring warnings of danger.

    Still, I wish Obama had done much more. So much of what he’s done hasn’t been to make things better, but maintaining the crappy status quo left to him. I mean, Ken Salazar to MMS? Really? So much could have been done to the regulatory systems by appointing watchdogs to the regulatory agencies, rather than more industry-friendly folks to maintain the lax rubber-stamping of the previous administration.

    Perhaps if there had been an effort to get FEMA to pull together resources immediately, the government would be in better place to judge the potential success of their first couple of cap attempts, and been in place with a plan C weeks ago. If nothing else, then at least get teams who know how to boom the shoreline properly.

    Still, this is horrifying. Worse yet is knowing that no mater how bad it gets, it’s unlikely to actually change anything. No-one really seems to care anymore, at least, not enough to do anything.

  69. Jeremy B

    Look at all of that $$$

  70. Mc

    @ Lucas says: “If you’re gonna blame Bush, then you gotta blame Clinton too. Hell, how far back do you wanna go?”
    How about Reagan. He is the one that got the whole deregulation thing started. Not that there isn’t plenty of blame to go around. Congress is in the pocket of the oil lobby and has been for many years. It isn’t the government that is broken it is how we elect them. We need to get rid of the lobbyist and make all federal election public financed. Take the greed out of Washington and maybe they will once again work for the public good instead of all the bigs out there. Big oil, big auto makers, big chem, big drug companies, big agra, big money.

  71. Paul Engel

    Man, that is some milkshake

  72. Idiot

    Tesla had an answer for us in 1912.

    Morgan told him to go pound sand.

    Enjoying the bed someone else made for you, public? I certainly didn’t have a choice as to what type of vehicle I could buy when I bought mine. And I certainly don’t have a choice where the electricity to my home comes from.

    This whole mess is artificial from its inception.

  73. JJ

    Lonny #11, good points.
    All of you complaining about Bush and deregulation should be aware that these problems are extremely rare (only the 3rd major spill since 1978) and the oil industry has been highly regulated since those 2 previous spills. Blaming the federal agencies that oversee the drilling operations is the most accurate criticism, as is blaming BP for not following the safety standards and regulations ALREADY in place. Deregulation is not the problem, personal responsibility is the problem, on part of BP and the federal government. Do you blame the government for not regulating the airline industry enough when a pilot crashes? Does the government suspend flying for 6 months after an accident? Of course not, because accidents happen as a result of mechanical failure or human error. Blaming deregulation and working to eliminate offshore drilling is simply a political ploy.

    However, this event may be the result of a simple mechanical failure of the blowout preventer, which should have been engaged by 1 of 3 triggers. The root cause of this failure, which may be attributed to human error, is pending an investigation. BP has a long record of safety violations, so I wouldn’t be surprised if negligence was a factor as well.

    This spill is bad, no doubt, but it’s still not nearly as big as the IXTOC spill of 1978. IXTOC also occurred in the Gulf, but didn’t affect US shores, therefore it wasn’t covered much in our media. This spill gives a reason for optimism because wildlife and the fishing industry recovered in about 3 years. Hurricanes also helped clean oil from the shores and disperse it at sea. I remain cautiously optimistic of the environmental impact at this point, but Obama should be doing less golfing and more to clean up the spill…organize the navy, fishing ships, general public, British navy, American small business owners that produce oil absorbing materials, etc. So much that could be done that isn’t getting done.

  74. Brian K

    @ Big Fat Earl (post 24)

    I actually you were the first one to bring up Bush. Back in post 7 someone mentioned that 60% of Americans are unhappy with Obama’s handling of the situation.

    Might want to read the rest of the posts before judging them.

    Just saying.

  75. heathen22

    this is just so goddamned sad. why is this not top priority for every country in the world? it will affect us all, yet seems to be solely a bp problem. one corporation cannot contain this

  76. tristan

    There in the upper right is the first beach I ever saw. 1979. It was so beautiful.

  77. Jeff B.

    @ 11. I think you’re missing the bigger problem, Lonny. The Govn’t is only doing what WE THE PEOPLE demand of it: supplying cheap petroleum.

    We Americans, for better or worse, demand our gas cheap, and the only way to keep it cheap is to keep supply ahead of demand. BP is only drilling at this site because WE keep making it profitable for them to do so. If the consumption of gas dropped precipitously tomorrow, what incentive would BP have to mount such a dangerous and risky gambit as deep-sea drilling?

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, btw. the Fed certainly failed to monitor the situation properly, but I don’t think it will do any good to try and change the personnel in Congress until the larger problem (i.e. Americas reliance on petroleum for energy) is mitigated. Especially considering that, as bad as the democrats have handled this, the Republicans are even MORE enamored with fossil fuels. Is a “Drill, Baby, Drill” mentality going to make anything better?

    The solution? I honestly don’t know. About the only thing I can think of is to start biking to work, so I can cut my personal dependence on gas somewhat, but that isn’t really a feasible solution for a great many people. I guess we’re screwed until we figure out teleportation and cold fusion.

    Also, is @ 38 for real or is Glenn Beck just trolling for laughs?

  78. Steve Ulven

    That’s amazing (and not in a good way, obviously) how much damage this has done. I am curious to see an image from a larger area. How much further has this spread out than that? Are there any estimates on how far reaching it will eventually get?

  79. jerry

    Now we know how Earth, became the carbonite planet

  80. Susan

    My uncle is the former head of NOAA under Clinton.
    He worked tirelessly to restore the damages done by Reagan/James Watt, and now…this.
    I just feel sick thinking of all his work and stewardship wasted for such greed (BP’s and our own oil-sucking addiction.).
    All those dead or injured animals who are at the mercy of us humans.
    All the lower income families whose livelihoods are ruined forever and don’t have the bottomless pockets to get by as the fishing and tourist season comes and goes. Lots of people and towns don’t have the resources to get by while the bureaucracy grinds along towards handing out the reparations.
    I want HARD prison time for everyone who’s name is signed onto a falsified report. No impersonal corporate fines. I want each and every one of them, lazy federal regulator or BP schill, to lose long stretches of their lives in a teeny cell with a big, scary, guy named “Bubba”.

  81. AC

    Maybe you shouldn’t do something at all, if there is no way to fix it if it goes wrong? BP clearly didn’t give a f*ck about the consequences of a disaster, and they are not alone. Oil corporations are sort of like inverted socialists – they privatize the profits, but want to socialize the costs and consequences.

    If every cent BP has, and every cent every past and present BP executhief has, were seized, it still wouldn’t approach even 1% of the cost of the cleanup. They will declare bankruptcy, and get off the hook, and go back to whatever hole they crawled out of (loaded down with ill gotten cash); we’ll be left with the mess and the costs – for generations.

    The corporate oligarchs win, and the People get screwed. Again.

  82. Iason Ouabache
  83. I wonder how many decades it will take to reverse these actions.
    So many of the ruined ecosystems will not be able to rehabilitate, and it will only be then when the people in charge will regret their lack of action.

    While the BP CEO is out yachting, thousands upon thousands of lives – including human – are being ruined.

    Thank you BP. Thank you for making future generations deal with more than they have to already.

  84. Joe R

    @47

    Not sure where you’re getting your numbers, but BP had $247 Billion (with a ‘B’) in revenues for the twelve months ending March 2010. Net Income was $18 Billion over the same period (smaller, obviously, because it’s after expenses).

    Currently BP has spent about $1.6 Billion on the clean up, and no doubt that will climb A LOT before all is said and done, but it’s a long way from bankrupting the company, which seems unlikely at this point.

    If somehow they do go under, it will be a really bad day for pensioners in the UK…

  85. 13 countries offered their assistance and our government turned them down. How stupid!!

  86. Jeremy Thomson

    I look on the bright side. According to a completely disreputable magazine here in NZ called ‘Uncensored’, 400,000 barrels of crude a day are being released. I kind of doubt that, I can’t find any maximum production figures for oil wells but the Saudi wells average to 6,000 barrels a day. So BP has itself a world record gusher. No wonder the shut-off didn’t work, they’re just not designed to handle this unprecedented pressure. Once BP gets the well into production they’ll be sitting pretty. At current prices (US$77.21 per barrel) that one well could generate 11.2 US$billion a year.

  87. 1st Nation Native

    All the people of the gulf that aren’t Indigenous now know what it feels like to have such disaster destroy their livelyhoods as was the casae when European settlers destroyed our way of life. Hopefully the people (Red, Black, Yellow & White) can come togehter in a good way & search for an alternative source of energy that doesn’t have a negative impact on the enviroment such as oil. Aho! All my relations…

  88. Mac

    The main fault lies in all of us for not looking our dependence on oil in the face and doing something about it.

    Trying to blame BP for acting like a drug dealer while we keep acting like addicts, and “Da Gummint” for not protecting us from the consequences of our refusal to grow past this foul grease, is junkie denialism at its worst.

    Time to hit “Dead Dinosaurs Anonymous” and grow up.

    Katrina wasn’t enough of a wake-up for y’all?

  89. A couple of points
    1) BP should pay for the clean-up as much as possible, but the needed resources will likely eventually outstrip what one corporation can afford.

    2) The President has ZERO authority to order a company or person to set aside funds. That is way outside his scope of powers. What would you say if the mayor of your city called you in to his office and said, your trash spilled out and not only are you going to clean it up, you are also going to set aside a 200 dollars in a fund that my office will use as we see fit in the clean-up. Oh and pay no attention to the prosecutor over here, he is just looking to see if maybe you should be charged with littering. That would be a shakedown in my mind.. Or maybe extortion. Regardless of how you feel about BP culpability in this case shortcutting our constitution does not help in the long run.

    3) If we seize all of BP assets and profits then what DOES happen to those whose retirements and pensions are tied to BP? Not just in the UK, but here in the US. Many unions have their pensions tied into energy stocks. But maybe we can spend a few hundred billion to bail out UK pensions. Why not?

    4) How about we just declare that BP CEO and board of directors have committed an aggressive terrorist act against the US and hunt them down with drones?

    5) Spread the culpability around. Anyone who has ever used any oil from a BP well should give up their assets to the government to pay for the spill.

  90. Davon

    The blame for the spill goes on BP. The blame for the environmental disaster rests directly on Obama. This for me was the final straw for him. I thought he was a great man, but he cares more about getting votes from unions than stopping this environmental disaster. He should have immediately waived the Jones Act which prevents other countries’ oil skimmer ships from being used in the gulf. At least 22 other countries have offered oil-collecting technology, and could have contained this spill much better than we could ourselves, but he refuses to waive the protectionist Jones Act, just to pander to a couple of special interest groups operating in the gulf. All the while, oil washes up on beaches and destroys the environment in the area. This was the last straw. It’s obvious he cares more about votes than the environment. (When Hurricane Katrina hit, the Bush administration, to their credit, waived the Jones Act immediately to lessen the impact and ensure that aid could be delivered by anyone who could help.) The Belgians, Dutch, and Norwegians have offered clean-up ships that are the best in the world. The Obama administration has refused to let these be used. Just another corrupt administration that doesn’t care about the environment when it comes down to it.

    Obama, stop this environmental disaster that you’re allowing to continue. Waive the Jones Act immediately and bring in the best available technology to contain these spills. Stop posturing, stop the corrupt politics, and pretending you’re going to “kick someone’s ass”. It should be your own you’re kicking.

  91. Kristen

    I could care less who is to blame for this, it just needs to get solved. Why should animals be suffering so horribly because “oops, we poked a hole in a pipe, we’ll fix it laterrrr”??

    I say offshore drilling is just too dangerous for the blatantly obvious.

  92. One job I am glad I am not qualified for, POTUS.

  93. Scooter

    You are all mistaken. This pic was taken after the cast of Jersey Shore visited Tampa.

  94. Joe

    Meh. Life goes on.

  95. Catalectic

    Well ccpetersen, no one is blaming “one man” for the horror in the Gulf. Get your head out of your aXX and stop protecting the only person you ever went out to vote for. HE alone has the power to really get this under control through the use of the military or the private sector. Our Nobel “Peace” Prize winner is sending the military into war with Iran as we sit here and gape at the problem. Obama’s priorities are quite the opposite of what he promised all the political noobs of the nation. This could have been stopped much sooner. Prove me wrong!

  96. Damien

    Funny thing is, That is EXACTLY how the gulf looked when I flew over it a year ago. Seriously.

  97. 1,400 known leakers in the Gulf BEFORE this problem, the first really big American blowout in nearly 30 years.

    I grew up summers for a quarter century in the Coastal Bend (the Texas Riviera, back before the Froggies had their temporary snit), and I always thought that sweet smell blowing off the water was from Texas wildflowers, breezing out in the evenings, back onshore during the days. Nope. Texas Light Sweet Crude, so bland you can drink it like mineral oil (which, oddly enough, it actually is) seeping naturally as it has since dinosaurs roamed the earth (no, this is not a John McCain joke).

    King James, quoting Moses from 3,500 years ago:

    “they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter”

    “the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there”

    “she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river’s brink”

    Did we really think slime and pitch were from all those pine trees in the Holy Land, O fans of the Steady State Sun Theory? And those black caulk lines on white birchbark canoes — from the so-rare Ebony Cedars of New England (very rare indeed)? Pacific Coast Indians picked up and found uses for tarballs from normal, natural undersea leakers.

    It is perfectly natural. Hanging out online, or jumping out of helicopters on skis, or vying for tenure, or inventing investment vehicles to fleece dimwitted retirement fund managers … THAT is unnatural.

  98. @ Scooter:

    Ha! Or half the summer population of Maryland’s Eastern Shore or Delaware, too.

  99. TnArG

    BP just the whole Gulf.

  100. Sean

    You guys…if this keeps going on, it’s going to affect a whole hell of a lot more than fauna.

  101. bigguy888

    america consumes 25 percent of the worlds non renewable resorces…it’s funny the the envirnormental impacts of thier practices were never an issues till it’s impact washed up on thier shores…remember this picture the next time you jump into your car to drive to the cornor store to go buy another bag of cheetos & stop at the gas station & hollar FILLER UP !!!

  102. Joe K. Biden

    @MC, you said, “How about Reagan. He is the one that got the whole deregulation thing started.”

    No, actually, he didn’t. Jimmy Carter did. The Airline Deregulation Act, Staggers Rail Act, Motor Carrier Act of 1980, Emergency Natural Gas Act, National Gas Policy Act, Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act, and the Regulatory Flexibility Act? All of them were major deregulation bills signed into law by President Jimmy Carter.

  103. Paul

    (post resubmitted without NASA link in body)

  104. My initial reaction this afternoon was “the whole gulf is covered?” Followed by something slightly stronger than the title of the post. I returned this evening to scan the comments and found something that grabbed my attention when I clicked through to the the NASA site in order to (slightly) embiggen the image: descriptive text.

    “The oil appears as a maze of silvery-gray ribbons in this photo-like image”
    — NASA website

    The oil is confined to roughly north and east of the source, not the entire image. (yes, it is still a huge area, just not as large an area as the misleading first impression).

    The large (10MB) image offered (Steve @83 – the click the pic above then follow the large image link) shows the silvery ribbons of the slick, a roughly 100 x 200km bright area 200 km south of the leak and the general gray malaise of this picture extending as a north south column from the coast to the bottom of the image (well south of the Florida Keys).

    Dare I suggest (without being called a BP/BigOil sympathizer) that the overall grayness of the water is reflected sunlight, the same sunlight needed to highlight the ribbons of the oil slick? The gray band can be found in most of the images from MODIS
    (can’t include a link without moderation – edited post – click on my name to get to the NASA page)
    but the slick is only visible when the band passes through the devastation.

  105. JerryH

    How can anyone blame the president for an impossible volume of noxious goo gushing from an unreachable source point that even the oil guys are stumped to correct? It is the end users who are ultimately to blame…those who use the crap at a crazy rate…me included. This is truely sickening. I am going to move closer to work, sell my car and use my bicycle to shop for food once a week. Good grief! What a mess!

  106. PenguinsInGuam

    :( That’s sad. I hate seeing sea turtles that have died from this. Clean it up BP…At least the clouds are pretty.

  107. culwin

    DRILL BABY DRILL!!!

  108. This is just what is on the surface. How much is beneath the surface, spreading in the plumes they keep mentioning? Plus, the methane that is now leaking and creating dead zones? i find it incredible that no plan was put in place for an accident occurring at that depth.

  109. Sarah Palin

    Let us pray to the lord for his divine intervention. We need Jesus to plug the leak.

  110. Chuck

    That is the most awesome thing I’ve ever seen. You all act like it’s something terrible, but how many millions of years have there been pockets of natural oil under the sea bed? Do you think there has never been an earthquake that’s released some of this oil into the ocean? “Oh teh noes, BP is teh big bad oil company, wont someone think of the environment?” LoL I hope your pet goldfish chokes.

  111. ggremlin

    That brings the problem into prospective as nothing else I’ve seen and they say another two months of the same?

    None much you can say about it but “Very slick BP”.

  112. Marylander

    Can I just take a break from the blame game and ask this question: “what happens in nature when crude leaks occur naturally?” I mean, this crap is formed in nature and of nature, so why doesn’t nature have a place for it? This seems to me to be proof that if there is a “God” that he doesn’t really control everything.

  113. Messier Tidy Upper

    Ummm … No write up from you there BA? :-(

    @103. Catalectic Says:

    Our Nobel “Peace” Prize winner is sending the military into war with Iran as we sit here and gape at the problem.

    WHAT!?

    Is this breaking news we haven’t heard in Australia yet?

    Far as I know we’re not at war with Iran -yet – although there’s arguably a case that we should be. I certainly wouldn’t blame Obama or the Israelis if they hit Iran anyday now given the Iranian’s secret nuclear weapons program and their nasty anti-Semitic rhetoric but as far as I know it hasn’t happened quite yet. It’s probably inevitable at some stage goven the situation but just from out of the blue like this? Well, hardly “Just from the blue” I ‘spose.

    A surprise strike – maybe say “decapitating” the leadership by taking out Ahmadinehjad and the Ayatollah’s backing him – would be a wise start and having Obama help would be a nice – if utterly unexpected and untelegraphed – change in his so far anti-Israel approach to the region.

    But has this happened just now or was it just a typo for Iraq?
    Can anyone explain this comment any more please?

    As for the Novel “peace” prize -that’s been a sick joke for years and awarding it to Obama simply for not being Bush is just yet more evidence of that. :roll:

  114. Messier Tidy Upper

    D’oh typos!

    That’s “Nobel” not “novel” peace prize – although the award does seem based on fictional accomplishments rather than Real Life ones! ;-)

    Also :

    I certainly wouldn’t blame Obama &/or the Israelis if they hit Iran any day now given the Iranian’s secret nuclear weapons program and their nasty anti-Semitic rhetoric (incl. making no secret of the Iranians desire to exterminate the Israelis and wipe the Jewish state off the map) but as far as I know it hasn’t happened quite yet. It’s probably inevitable at some stage goven given the situation but just from out of the blue like this?

    Actually in many respects it make good sense to strike Iran sooner rather than later given we know they are developing nuclear bombs and rockets and that we know the Iranians plan on using them against Israel and the West once they have them.

    Risking a nuclear armed Iran with the regional consequences and the high probability of genocidal horrors that will stem from that – incl. Iran giving the weapons to Jihadist terrorists for use against US cities is not really an option. Especially given Ahmadinejad’s religious extremist beliefs and statements which indicate the Iranian dictator wants to bring on armageddon and WW III to reveal some “hidden Imam” cult figure.

    If we’re going to have this war with Iran – as, frankly, seems inevitable – better for it to occur sooner *before* the Iranians have their Bomb.

    Plus as a tactical /strategic ideal I’d hit Iran’s more exposed (?) & locatable leadership as well as the well guarded underground Nuclear facilities right at the start and declare war about a minute before the first missiles hit.

    That said, there’s nothing in the news yet to indicate Obama is doing anything of the sort and plenty to suggest he’s still falling for the Iranians stalling tactic and the UN’s utterly ineffectual sanctions & diplomatic talks while the Iranians build their Nukes approach. :-(

    Still no news anywhere on this making me lean towards the “typo for Iraq” explanation for
    (#103.) Catalectic’s comment. Unless Catalectic knows something we don’t…

  115. a thought for post 116. If the rock lickers hadn’t been crying about drilling on land, we wouldn’t have been drilling in the ocean. Think how much easier this would be to control if it was miles closer, and not under 10,000psi pressure. I’m not sure most people quite understand yet. We don’t have the technology to stop this.

    Vegetarians eat the life forms that create oxygen on this planet…and leave the carbon exuding ones to live….same for the rock lickers. Self righteous BS. The South Park episode dealing with “green” cars, and the smug pollution they created may be relevant.

    Yep. Didn’t drill in ANWAR.

    Happy?

  116. Neil

    If you’re looking for someone to blame, look in the mirror. If you want to hurt oil companies, drive less, use alternate modes of transportation. Don’t like these answers? Then deal with it.

  117. Angus Martin

    @90 Joe:

    What I mean is the claims they could have set against them could do a lot more damage to them than the $20 billion escrow. Perhaps it wouldn’t kill them, but it would eat away all of their profits, and cause most of their investors to jump ship. They would hurt, badly.

    The Escrow will be less painful than them in the long run. Anyone who thinks the Escrow is a bad thing for BP probably doesn’t understand the massive damage this thing is going to cause the Gulf region in the next decade or so.

  118. pessimisticoptipist

    Don’t worry everyone, we’ll all be dead soon.

  119. Angus Martin

    @97 Davon

    Don’t fall for the Jones Act thing.

    There are foreign-flagged ships in the Gulf as we speak.

  120. Gonzo

    But it’s much easier to blame authority.

    Yes, because your driving a car doesn’t give BP carte blanche to ignore safety and environmental regulations. That the MMS was in collusion with BP on this BS is all the more reason why we should look to authority, both corporate and governmental, when assigning blame. Your driving a car is not why the Deepwater Horizon rig failed and to assert that it is is an exercise in logical fallacy that even the Tea Party wouldn’t be able to comprehend.

  121. Gonzo

    This spill is bad, no doubt, but it’s still not nearly as big as the IXTOC spill of 1978. IXTOC also occurred in the Gulf, but didn’t affect US shores, therefore it wasn’t covered much in our media.

    Also – this spilling is rapidly gaining on the IXTOC spill. Since no one really seems to know exactly how much oil has leaked out comparing the two isn’t really possible. But estimates show it to be anywhere from a few hundred thousand barrels of oil less than IXTOC to double the amount of the IXTOC spill. Given that the well will have no chance at being plugged for at least two months I think it’s safe to say that Deepwater Horizon will easily surpass IXTOC in terms of amount of oil spilled. I’m not sure why you (and to be fair others) have been claiming that Deepwater Horizon is nowhere near the size of the IXTOC spill when it may have in fact already surpassed it.

  122. Narwhal
  123. john

    The Astronomers on Jupiter are announcing a huge black stain covering the capital and now the coastal area of a once glorius and vibrant continent that held such promise for intelligent life…
    ” A sad day on Jupiter” the daily newspaper reports.
    “Where will their cancer strike next….along the southern border seems to be erupting in much the same manner,This mysterious black stain seems to spread with intent.”

  124. Maurits

    That’s just … well, there’s not much to say about this. I can’t help but think we as consumers of the oil have some blame. Sure, we pay experts to get the oil out of the ground for us with the least amount of risc to the environment. But still, we use it all the same.
    That said, there’s not much alternatives for us consumers to use. There’s the oil kartel lobbying away in your congress and our European Union and governments of member states. There’s large companies like Shell buying and storing patents for alternative ways of fueling engines. There’s my own government, the dutch, who has made it illegal to use alternative fuels because it’s not taxed so when you do use it you are fined for evading taxes. Wtf!? I’m just trying to evade using oil.

    It’s time to get our own governments to listen:
    We don’t care WHAT fuels our engines! Hydrogen, biofuel, electricity… we… don’t…care.. just make it possible to use other ways. Subsidize it, force companies to either use the patents the posess or opening them up to others who will.

  125. bill

    Wow, amazing image guys. the only thing more impressive on this page is the level of stupidity being demonstrated. Firtly, it could have been any oil company – having a go at BP solves nothing – this slick is down to the weak, oil funded, replican president you just got rid of and your thirst for cheap fuel. Of course the Oil spill is a direct result of driving your car – if environmental impact was included in the cost of your petrol then you would be up to $15 a gallon at least.

    Secondly, just WTF is Obama meant to do, stick his finger in the hole??? The best engineers in the world can’t stop the leak so what is a polititcian meant to do??

    Get a grip guys, just image the same image after one of your 30 year old nuclear facilities fails!

    Only thing you can do is stop being wastful with resources (recycle, drive efficiently, use transport), stop letting others be wasteful with resources (support politicians that give a damn and will tax waste and subsidise ecological schemes ) and hope it is not too late.

  126. Mashadar

    OK people, lets clear something up. Even if every one of us bought an electric car and junked our gas/diesel vehicles. We’d still need 28% of the oil we currently use for industrial/commercial/residential use. You know little things like plastic and rubber, as well as lubrication for all the machines we use to manufacture every good not made by hand? The notion that renewable energy will free us from dependency on oil is ludicrous, given that only 1% of the oil we use is for electricity production. So, as long as we NEED that 28%, we will NOT be free of oil. Now, if any of you who spout off about not using oil know of viable, sustainable alternatives for our non-fuel uses of oil, I’d like to hear about them. In the mean time, take a look around you, and make a list of all the plastic/rubber goods in your home, or anything not made by hand. You’ll realize that while 71% of our oil goes to fuel, it’s not as easy to get rid of as just not driving. Being as that is the case, and as long as we NEED oil, we should produce as much of it as we can domestically, since relying on hostile countries to supply us with such a vital resource is stupid and dangerous.

    As for the cause of this travesty. Just as with 3 Mile Island, the direct cause was human error. Most of you, if you were honest, would agree that 99% of the time, taking shortcuts works. We ALL do it. Trouble hits us that 1%. For most of us the consequences are personal, and rarely affect anyone else. Aside from drunk or drug driving, where several innocent lives can be lost, that is. And even then, most people are lucky enough to do it without incident. But it only takes 1 time to ruin lives. That’s what happened in the Gulf. They took shortcuts, it blew up in their faces. This is BP’s equivalent of vehicular homicide while DUI. It doesn’t make them bad people, it just makes them human.

    It happened, it sucks, it’ll get fixed, life will go on.

  127. Looks like BP is trying to capitalize on the spill with its new ad campaign:
    http://starfleetcommand.us/10_may_BP.bmp

    http://starfleetcommand.us/BP_pelican.JPG

  128. davEy

    Why on earth does Obama have to clean up the oil spill?

    When you bust a pipe in the basement and water is squirting everywhere, are you counting on the federal government to come and solve your problem?

    YOU know, the federal government you say you want less of and should stay out of your business? Yeah, THAT federal government.

    Talk about a bunch of winy self-absorbed hypocritical morons.

  129. Insert Name Here

    You guys complain this spill, yet there have been spills like this all over the World where 1000′s of barrels have ruined coastlines from American Oil Corporations. I am however not going to get into a heated arguement with people over this just remember to do research into other disasters before you are quick to critiscise BP in future. At least they have been trying to clean up the oil.

  130. DennyMo

    People groused about Bush’s response to Katrina, now they’re grousing about Obama’s response to the oil spill. Obviously, the problem isn’t with whoever’s in the White House, it’s with our expectations of the government’s abilities to do anything quickly AND correctly. Remember the old adage about “High Quality, Low Cost, Quick Turnaround: Pick Two”? Doesn’t apply to the government in most cases, none of those options appear to be on the table…

  131. It’s about time for hurricane season too. We need some international help with the clean up efforts.

  132. Tom

    Wait till a hurricane hits this. We think it’s a major disaster now?

  133. Lynette

    Okay I have read through most comments and I have something to say to everyone (including myself) You can point a finger at this president, you can point a finger at this company , you can point a finger at the whole United States government, but until we start lifting a finger to HELP control and clean up this oil spill, then we as humans cannot expect to survive much longer… lest, not forget that the human race as a whole are the one who should be held responsible for this .. Yes that’s right all of us, not just one CEO or the President… But everyone because I am sure we all use automobiles for transportation. Yes this year you may be driving a hybrid… oh so green of you… but don’t forget the last five years you spent 40k on a SUV that probably got 10 miles to the gallon and you drove it EVERYwhere.. But that was before this and before that… please even I don’t insult myself by using that excuse… I knew what we could be facing if everything went to hell in a hand basket… I just refused to look at the “IF” of the situation. So isn’t it time we all wake up and admit hey I have messed this up as much as the next guy… (Maybe not quite as bad but pretty close) and realize it is ALL of us that has brought ourselves to where we are today… and WE ALL should offer our assistance in any way possible. I have made a decision and I am praying for the strength to make it through…lol I have 2 weeks’ vacation coming to me this year and instead of cabins and lakes etc… I am going to start calling the wildlife foundation, the Red Cross…etc… And seeing where they need help at the most… and that is where I will be on my vacation…

    I challenge everyone to LIFT a finger to help instead of just pointing a finger at someone else

  134. twc

    President wants some tail to kick? He should start with his own.

    BP was trying to fix leaks on this well starting back in February and filed reports with the federal Minerals Management Service and reports were forwarded to Congress.

    Imagine the President and Congressional committee heads had R instead of D attached to their names.

    Total incompetence coming from the guy who said (and still says) he’s there to clean up someone else’s mess.

    Well this one is his. And it’s not being cleaned up. At all. .

  135. Thameron

    Get used to this. There will be more.

  136. TheTruth

    I’m not an Obama fan, but if we’re being honest here, inept Bush and his greedy cronies set the bomb. It just went off under Obama.

  137. Alex

    Nuclear power anyone?

  138. nyQwill

    This is England’s fault not ours. And they expect the Americans to clean it up b/c it’s on US soil. Give Obama a break.

  139. JRR

    Let’s not forget who’s really responsible for the spill. Everyone who demands cheap oil. Everyone who drives an SUV 1/2 mile to get one thing from a convenience store.

    IMO this is no different than complaining about certain countries producing drugs. They wouldn’t do it if there weren’t a demand. Same for internet spam; they wouldn’t do it if there weren’t some idiots buying stuff from them.

  140. Rev Dr E Buzz Miller

    “How can anyone blame the president for an impossible volume of noxious goo gushing from an unreachable source point that even the oil guys are stumped to correct? ”

    Not sure, but the entire American Media and Democrat Party, along with the Communists in said party, blamed Bush for a freaking HURRICANE.

    It wouldn’t be so bad were Barry to tlel us all he was going to lift the oceans a few feet.

    You got your god, he’s a boob.

  141. FCOL

    To all the whiners complaining that Obama could have stopped the leak by now: how exactly would he have done that when not even the oil experts know what to do? Give details. Put up or shut up. Quit parroting Fox News, where every commentator does nothing but complain and offers no solutions.

  142. Carl

    But mankind doesn’t have the capability to impact the earth! So says Palin so it must be true.

  143. Morbo

    Mwah ha ha ha ha! Oily humanoid.

  144. Kevin

    I guess drilling up in Alaska where it would not have done 1/1000th of the damage doesn’t look so bad now does it? The Democrats are letting this continue for the sole purpose of using it to further there energy policies. Any one who thinks other wise is highly uninformed or just a blinded fool.

  145. j

    Damn Astronomy, you scary!

  146. Ed A.

    Quote: Lonny Eachus Says:
    June 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    Come on, folks, let’s not forget who is equally to blame here: our Federal government.

    Your right… The Bush.cheney ( the decider and the oil man) put the $75M cap on… Remember that in November… Remember the party that was and IS sleeping with the compnies the screwed up the gulf of Mexico!!

  147. LL

    To Paul from VA – It only appears to have rapidly increased on the surface photos. The oil was there from the leak, but was being held under water by temperature of the water and the various currents. It is now rising up to the surface.

  148. Charles

    So many hypocrites ! So little solutions ! If people want green energy then go back to being agrarian. If people want to advance mankind then learn from our mistakes .

  149. copywryter

    Why isn’t anyone publicly asking themselves how they can use less oil and petroleum-related products?

    This is horrible, but clucking about it won’t change anything. WE need to change. WE need to get away from fossil-fuel dependency. Change starts with each and every one of us, and my guess is that few of these posters would make serious sacrifices.

    Ask yourself:

    Would you take public transit to and from work 2 or 3 days a week?
    Would you sell your car/truck for a smart car or hybrid?
    Would you spend $10,000 to re-insulate your house or install photo-voltaics?
    Would you mow your lawn manually?

    Most of us can do nothing to immediately help the Gulf. But all of us can do something to help ourselves.

  150. Thespis

    ELEVEN Human beings died in the original explosion.
    Don’t EVER forget that when you are totalling cost for this problem.

    And as for what it’s like to live here?
    With the surface burning? When the wind is right, it smells like a truck stop EVERY DAY.

  151. Shep

    Poor BP. They just want their lives back. We should just let them go back to the UK and make Obama clean it up. I mean, as President, he has all the tools at his disposal for cleaning up an ongoing environmental disaster, right? Isn’t that why the Republicans are mad? because he didn’t plug the well snd he’s being mean to those poor Brits?

    Didn’t we kick their asses in a war?

  152. tristen_elaine_01

    This just disgusts me… and for the members of those states governments that are frustrated with all the red tape that is being handed down from the federal level for clean up efforts… screw em and just go out there and do the job because the ones that are wrapping the clean up package with pretty red bows are the ones who are buying their time in an effort to clean up their own personal mess so that the general international public won’t discover their backseat involvement in what looks to be turning into a possible global disaster. I feel heartbroken for the men that lost thier lives and pray for their families, I pray for the survivors, I pray for those that have lost thier lively hood and businesses, and I pray for those that were invovled in all this ridiculousness for I wonder if God Himself, after viewing all that has been going on in this world that he created, will eventually reach his breaking point and put the smack down on all of mankind!

  153. Robert

    When it gets to this scale, you are right there with an open air mutational laboratory experiment. The probabilities of producing new and dangerous mutations of bacteria and viruses become certainties. Even without the threat of hurricane turning the are into a toxic disaster zone a bacteriological species changing disaster is in the making.

  154. QuietDesperation

    If life gives you oil spills, make a salad. Confucius said that.

    Or maybe Ludacris. I always mix those two up.

  155. QuietDesperation

    Is this breaking news we haven’t heard in Australia yet?

    About a dozen US warships (and one Israeli ship) passed through the Suez canal recently. Egypt had to grant permission so it was noticed. It could just be something to do with the Gaza blockade.

    I’d have though Australia had gotten a cable or picked up something on the wireless by now. ;-)

  156. Siriusly

    What kills me, is everyone wants to blame BP right now. Which (don’t get me wrong) needs to happen. But how about everyone use the energy they have to be angry at BP to SOLVE THE PROBLEM FIRST??? All the political grandstanding over this is just as sickening as the spill itself in my opinion. Why are they even worried about crucifying these guys when they should be spending every ounce of energy they have trying to help get this situation resolved? Kevin Costner and T. Boone Pickens are doing loads more for our country right now than our ENTIRE gov’t. They need to get their priorities straight and stop trying to beat their chests and actually DO something… That is all.

  157. Geekoid

    “Your tax dollars at work, folks. Remember in November.
    I am assuming you mean get rid of all the republicans who backed the lessoning of oil industry regulations? There is no logical way you can blame the current administration for that.
    Obama remained profession, got BP to put 20 billion in escrow, and pay for the workers who won’t have work because of the moratorium.
    That’s exactly what should have happened.

    60% don’t approve of Obama’s handling of this, I wonder what they would do? Start a pissing match that would end up in not seeing a penny for years, if not decades? Kill all the BP employees? attack England? seriously, he is doing the best any president could have hoped to do.

    I have heard many interviews with people who aren’t happy, in not one case could they point out a reasonable think that Obama should have done differently.
    The just end in vague hand waving saying he should have doesn’t “something” else.
    It’s jut a chance for the media to whip up haters over nothing.
    Hate BP. It’s THERE fault, they should have to pay.

    This is not Katrine.
    Katrina the damage was know immediately and the president to do anything for 36 hours. With this, the damage was not immediately apparent. The ONLY eyes we had at the incident where BPs. And they lied, several times. This is not comparable to Katrine.

    Blaming Obama for this is like Blaming Bush for 9/11. Stupid.

  158. QuietDesperation

    How about Reagan. He is the one that got the whole deregulation thing started.

    No, actually, he didn’t. Jimmy Carter did.

    LOL! You kids these days!

    If you want a good start point for *modern* deregulatory philosophy it was the early 1970s under Nixon, but it arose from the academic world.

    Anyone want to raise me a Johnson or a Kennedy? :-) I call.

    And before you start worshiping at the altar of regulation, remember that it only came about in the late 19th century and actually created a number of monopoly situations thanks to regulation creating high cost barriers to potential competitors trying to enter an industry. From robber baron to monoploy. Whee!

    Nothing is simple. We need to find the correct balance, but we can’t because everyone is a blithering ideologue these days. Look at all the simplistic “ZOMG! Deregulation is teh evul” or “ZOMG! Regulation is tel evul” posts out there. Naive foolishness.

  159. Messier Tidy Upper

    @132. QuietDesperation Says:

    Is this breaking news we haven’t heard in Australia yet? About a dozen US warships (and one Israeli ship) passed through the Suez canal recently. Egypt had to grant permission so it was noticed. It could just be something to do with the Gaza blockade. I’d have though Australia had gotten a cable or picked up something on the wireless by now.

    Okay. Thanks. :-)

    So we’re not at war with Iran just yet. Officially anyhow. Mind you, its probably just a matter of time & a “when” not “if” question.

  160. Zen Bonobo

    Working with free flowing crude, as it is being done, is far outside the experience and expertise of professional petroleum producers. There have been numerous spills and unintended flows before but it has not impacted the lives of so many white folks with an excellent communications infrastructure and lawyers.

  161. A comparison from 4 years ago: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36873

    Like #128 said, there will be more.

    It isn’t a little hole in a pipe either. It broke when the rig sank. I think the pipe was 21″? According to Bill Nye this thing was putting out at 7000psi too. It’s like an underwater oil breathing dragon! I don’t think “one” person can take the blame. Seems like a series of breakdowns that just went from bad to worse to “holy crap!”

    I think it’s important that we don’t forget the men that died when that rig went up. They were just doing their job. We must commend the men and women who are feverishly working to clean it up and keep it at bay. Commend those rover operators too. That doesn’t look easy!

    Maybe it will takes years or decades to recover. When people say something will “never” recover, it confuses me. The Earth will probably be here long after we’re gone. That is, if we can avoid DEATH FROM THE SKIES! :)

    So, first, fix the problem.
    Determine who/what exactly caused the mess.
    Hold them to it.
    Clean it up.
    Learn from it.

    A lot of overlap in those steps but yes, something like that. Step 1 is the most important though.

  162. Peter

    @27.
    Im from Australia and your ignorance astounds me. Obama was voted into office just months before the biggest financial s**t storm in decades hit the entire world. This was caused by American banks not being regulated well enough to prevent people who can not afford housing to buy houses. They should of been on wealthfare. On the topic of the healthcare reforms how is it negative that people who can’t afford health are now provided a basic human right. People in prisons have access to better healthcare than many on the streets. How is that democratic? As for the other industries that you mentioned, a large number of them have been affected by the Global Financial Crisis which is why they are doing so badly.

  163. DreamDevil

    I’m sure the free market will find a solution.

  164. Stargazer

    Are there still people out there who wants us to stick to dirty fossil fuels instead of moving on to green technology? That would be impossible.

  165. I am absolutely speechless. You read about, and hear about it, but to see it……How terrible depressing this.

  166. richared

    and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth (REVELATION Chapter 11 vse18) This looks like yet another fine mess you got me into Stanley….mmmmmm,,mmmmmm.

    REV 21 says, and He willwipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.

    So you mean there is hope???/ YES. however things have to get a lot worse yet becase it also says this…..at Matthew 24 vse 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occured since the worlds beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. (Jesus words there)

    SO.. HOW BAD WILL THINGS GET ?? ask yourself . not looking good all round this year and we are only halfway through……. Luke 21v25 says and on earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation, while men become faint out of fear of the things coming upon the inhabited earth…

    KEEP ON THE WATCH…..

  167. JJ

    Actually, green technology alone isn’t nearly enough to meet our energy needs, just not efficient enough. It also costs much too much money. Fossil fuels will continue to be our primary energy sources for decades to come, the most we can do is supplement our use with alternative sources. That’s not a political argument either, just physics. Fossil fuels simply supply us the most energy output from a smaller input, both scientifically and economically.

    Did you know the primary reason for using ethanol, made from corn, is political? Say it ain’t so! Ethanol costs just as much as gasoline per gallon, emits just as much co2, and raises the price of corn (which then raises the price of cereals, etc.). But then why are we using it? It’s to limit the amount of oil we import, especially from the Middle East. The excuse that it saves the environment from oil spills is bogus considering the number of spills we’ve had over the year and the non-long term environmental impacts. Drilling on shore is safer than drilling at sea, but we’re not allowed to do that because of politics…We’re not even allowed to drill in shallow waters because of that political party I will not name for the sake of sounding partisan. That only increases the risks and severity of potential disasters associated with oil drilling, as we’ve seen. Nobody knows how to deal with deep water disasters, but it will certainly be safer after this event due to the experience.

    Our best bet for long term ethanol use will be from algae, but that technology is still far from being efficient. Diesel engines will also be the way of the future because gasoline engines cannot run on anything higher than max 15% ethanol concentrations. Just a tidbit for anyone that thinks we can ditch oil for “green” technology, it won’t happen for a very long time, until we can find a way to make it as efficient as fossil fuels or cut the amount of energy we use. With a growing population and ever expanding wealth and technology, there’s no way we’ll cut our energy to levels that can sustain “green” technologies alone, not with today’s technology.

  168. Mountain View

    Well, we should certainly thank Dick Cheney for gutting the Minerals Management Service and the Bush Administration for filling it top to bottom with good ol’ boys who were more interested in “sex, drugs & graft” (to quote the NY Times) than ensuring the safety of oil rigs. Whatever’s good for companies like Halliburton and BP is good for America … Right? Well, at least BP had a good emergency plan for protecting all those “seals and walruses” in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank God for that! Why not a single walrus has been killed by that entire spill – see, Fox News is right about it not being so bad. Never mind the millions of fish, birds and marine mammals – or everyone in the tourist industry from Louisiana to Florida – the free market will take care of all of them just fine. …OK, for one thing am I genuinely thankful: at least today we have a President who acts like a President, unlike the banjo players who controlled the Bush White House for those scary eight years. (Oh, and they left us a nice economy, too. Hopefully the oil spill and the Great Republican Recession of 2007 will both end at about the same time. August.)

  169. Bob_In_Wales

    I’m not up on the details of all this, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. However, amongst all the flak being thrown at BP I see no mention of Transocean who were the contractos on this job – surely they bear some responsibility?

    Also, Transocean further subcontracted out to Halliburton who were responsible, were they not, for the part of the system which failed to cut off the oil?

    How come everytime something bad happens at the moment that name Halliburton crops up? I have no idea how accurate the site is but see for example http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/.

  170. MaDeR

    I really, REALLY hope that some certain comments was just trolling. Alternative would cause in me losting faith in humanity. Again. This week.

    In other words – retardicon as usual. Nothing to see, move along.

  171. Beth
  172. Canadian

    Wouldn’t it be nice if the world afforded the same outrage towards the US company Union Carbide Corporation responsible for the 1984 Bhopal Gas Tragedy in India that resulted in the death of approximately 15,000 people that they do to America’s BP oil spill crisis, which resulted in 11 deaths?

    I mean, talk about double standards here.

  173. Henry

    For crying out loud, we’re looking at the corpse of an entire ecoystem, and how many of you are still trying to point fingers? Like blame even makes a lick of difference at this point? Does it even occur to any of you that the energy you’re using trying to push agendas or lay blame could be better spent? For once, please just for one friggin minute, can we stop being divisive and just work together to fix something that affects us *all*?

    Please?

  174. truthspeaker

    27. sandmannc40 Says:
    June 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    And you wonder why Obama did nothing for 30 + days.

    You’re lying. And regardless, by federal law, BP has the responsibility of cleaning up the spill. The federal government did what it was required to do – it asked BP if its disaster response plans were adequate, and BP said they were. You wanted deregulation, you got it. You can’t campaign for deregulation and then complain that the government isn’t doing what you lobbied it not to do.

  175. JJ

    “Well, we should certainly thank Dick Cheney for gutting the Minerals Management Service and the Bush Administration for filling it top to bottom with good ol’ boys who were more interested in “sex, drugs & graft” (to quote the NY Times) than ensuring the safety of oil rigs.”

    How long has Bush been out of office? How many oil spills did we have under Bush?…Exactly, now get your head out of those brainwashing Liberal blogs…

    “You wanted deregulation, you got it. You can’t campaign for deregulation and then complain that the government isn’t doing what you lobbied it not to do.”

    The industry is plenty regulated. People are arguing against the President’s failure to act in cleaning up the spill. The government should be working to clean up the mess, maybe by lifting the Jones Act as Bush did during Katrina and allowing all those willing to help to get mobilized.

  176. Plutonian

    @ ^ JJ :

    now get your head out of those brainwashing Liberal blogs…

    What like this one? ;-)

    Good point though. The BA is still badly suffering from the pyscho-political disorder called Obamania that causes impaired judgement and a false sense of euphoria.

  177. JJ

    ha, good point. Better advice would be to start using some common sense, but that never advice is never well received. It’ll just provoke a debate about the definition of common sense…

    The lack of regulation claims hold absolutely no credibility when you look at the facts. Regulation has only increased over the years in light of IXTOC and Exxon Valdez and the oil industry is currently one, if not the, most highly regulated industry in the US. The last major spill in the US was the Exxon Valdez in 1989, that’s 21 years without a single catastrophe, thus making drilling a much safer activity than flying or driving for example. There have been minor spills since 1969 through 2006, none of which had long term repercussions, all results of accidents. Accidents will always happen because failure is always an option. I thought most people here pride themselves on using facts…

  178. Kel

    ummm….. What should we be looking for here? Are the light, shiny streaks the oil? Sorry, but some of us are not trained to understand visible spectrum photos from space. Also, does this give any indication of the levels of subsurface pollutants including the dispersants?

  179. Anchor

    Thameron #128: “Get used to this. There will be more.”

    I’m afraid you’re right. There will almost certainly be more of this.

    But pardon me if I NEVER EVER get used to it. Not as long as I draw breath. Nobody should ever get used to this. We don’t have to used to it, and we shouldn’t have to put up with it. The moment we do, we’ll have thrown in the towel and we can all consider ourselves already dead. Our little party gig on planet Earth will be finished. We’ll have blown it.

    We do not have to put up with the prospect of more such collosal environmental nightmares. We do not have to get used to the destruction of our environment. Not when it’s PREVENTABLE.

    It isn’t just oil leaks and spills, or pollution from a thousand other poisonous sources. Ocean gyres filled with plastic trash, choking marine animals and birds. Overfishing the oceans to the last shark, bluefin tuna and herring. Taking out whales because some obnoxious countries think it honorable to smirk down a whale sashimi meal as “scientific research”. Logging rain forest habitats to oblivion. Hunting down rare animals to extinction because a preposterous superstition in “traditional medicine” supports a profitable market in various body parts. General development encroaching across the land like a cancer wrecking the delicate yet vital organs of the planet’s ecology. Oh yes, and greenhouse gas emissions, uh, because some people just don’t give a $hit.

    And a million and one other insults to our world, to the creatures we share it with…and to ourselves.

    And all of this needless destruction because of one fundamental problem: human overpopulation. Because we like to make babies faster than we die off. As if modern medical technology and urban sanitation hadn’t yet made people realize that child mortality rates have gone way down in the last few centuries.

    Nearly 7 billion and counting. Estimated to be about 8.5 billion by 2030: in just ONE scant generation from now, the population will ADD over 3 times what the entire global human population was for at least 6000 years.

    And people have the temerity to suggest that there’s plenty of room, and if some don’t like the population, they invite them to check out. There is something inherently evil in denialism which keeps those which entertain the habit ignorant. They do not wish to understand the concepts of “sustainable” or “finite”.

    All they seem to see is a benefit to what they call “growth”. Heck, BACTERIA know that much. Bacteria and deniers alike don’t see how, given finite resources and living space, their population will inevitably catastrophically crash. But non-denier humans have something that can prevent it: foresight informed by intelligence and the ability to understand what the word “exponent” in the phrase “exponential growth” means and what the consequences are.

    Bacteria never learned that.

  180. Stray Bullet

    Let’s see, who pared down the legal rights of our country against the oil companies…..that would be Bush and the Republicans. Who allowed their state governments to take a hands off approach to drilling in their waters? That would bethe REPUBLICAN coastal states. Who drastically reduced the regulatory capacity of both the MMS and EPA, all in the name of reducing governmental interference in big business? Again, Bush and the Republicans.
    A debacle of this level didn’t happen overnight. This was in the makings for years and years. Our next tragedy will be most likely related to dams, built by the federal government and turned over practically scot free during what administration? Bush and company. Oh, and let’s not forget the mining industry. Governmental control at both the state and federal level was slashed to almost nothing during Bush’s two terms. Again, all in the name of reducing govt. interference. That would be all well and good, but the sad fact of the matter is that we cannot trust industries to look out for the American people. We’ve seen it in banking, we’re seeing it now in oil, we’re seeing it in the mining industry, we’ve seen it the energy sector(doesn’t anybody remember Enron and how they raped California?)and we’ll continue to see it in industries where regulation was stripped off like taking down the Tree after Christmas, all in the name of freer business and a more efficient economy. The fact of the matter is that business just turned it all into pure profit, while cutting jobs and services provided to us. The Obama haters would have you believe just about anything to blame him for all this. When in reality, it’s just the American way of doing business, and coming home to roost in form of joblessness, a much wider disparity between the middle class(which has almost effectively disappeared)and the wealthy, and rapidly increasing decay in the American way of life as we knew it.

  181. Anchor

    Hmmm…that’s odd. Me and Lewis seem to concur that Thameron’s comment was #128 ["Get used to this. There will be more."]. Now (as oifd this writing, at least) it looks like it is #147…

  182. QuietDesperation

    This was caused by American banks not being regulated well enough to prevent people who can not afford housing to buy houses.

    [citation needed]

    Isn’t this a skeptical site? Do any of you people EVER apply your skepticism to political and economic issues, or is it just the easy target of religion? Just the foundations of what led to the current economic situation could fill an 800 page book. All this “it’s Bush’s fault” ot “blame Obama” or “that one law over there”… Honestly, as Marvin the Android said, how can you stand living in something so small?

    Does it even occur to any of you that the energy you’re using trying to push agendas or lay blame could be better spent?

    Got a loan for me? Some friends and I would *love* to start building a solar power station using new panel tech from some of the startups out there, but “energy” does not buy me land in Nevada and the prototype panels and hire someone to negotiate with a local town to try out our power. I can build much of support system from used computing equipment, but stuff like this needs funding. Got any?

    Wouldn’t it be nice if the world afforded the same outrage towards the US company Union Carbide Corporation responsible for the 1984 Bhopal Gas Tragedy

    I remember when that happened. There was plenty of outrage. Is there some critical mass of outrage you require? Is there some Outrage Meter at the National Bureau of Standards, or a case displaying 1 Standard Unit Of Outrage that you can use to measure?

    It probably just seems like less because we didn’t have a global network pumping images and news and Outrage[tm] every second of every day.

  183. I mean, talk about double standards here.

    How can you reasonably complain about double standards until you find out how much hate BP is getting for this spill from the public in 2036?

  184. W. Kiernan

    46. kuhnigget: Personally, I don’t think Obama has done a good job on this, if only because his administration has failed to recognize its severity and act accordingly. Action should have been taken first, questions about culpability asked later.

    Talk is free, and worth every penny. Specifically what action did you have in mind?

    91. Brian Davis: 13 countries offered their assistance and our government turned them down. How stupid!!

    Which thirteen countries? What did they offer? I think you just made that “fact” up out of thin air. Or, more likely, you are parroting some talk-radio rubbish which the talk-radio guy made up out of thin air.

    97. Davon: …He should have immediately waived the Jones Act which prevents other countries’ oil skimmer ships from being used in the gulf. At least 22 other countries have offered oil-collecting technology, and could have contained this spill much better than we could ourselves, but he refuses to waive the protectionist Jones Act, just to pander to a couple of special interest groups operating in the gulf…

    More rubbish, straight from talk -radio. In fact, no foreign ships have been excluded from working on the Macondo oil spill because of the Jones Act. Not a single one.

    146. twc: President wants some tail to kick? He should start with his own. BP was trying to fix leaks on this well starting back in February and filed reports with the federal Minerals Management Service and reports were forwarded to Congress…

    When were these reports forwarded to Congress? Your quote implies that it was before the blowout, but the article you linked doesn’t say. However, it is highly unlikely that MMS was forwarding all the reports on all the oil wells being drilled to Congress on an ongoing basis; it is far more likely that the reports were only forwarded after the blowout.

    But whether or not these reports were forwarded to Congress, in what way would that make it Congress’s responsibility, much less the President’s responsibility, for the Macondo blowout? Aside from the obvious fact that the President can’t read every report submitted to every agency in the entire government, if I am playing with fire inside my house, and I call you on the telephone and tell you “Whoa, I almost burnt the place down!”, and then a little while later I actually do burn my house down, does that mean I get to blame you for it afterwards?

    184. JJ: Drilling on shore is safer than drilling at sea, but we’re not allowed to do that because of politics…We’re not even allowed to drill in shallow waters because of that political party I will not name for the sake of sounding partisan.

    You are talking utterly fact-free nonsense. There are over a thousand currently running oil wells in shallow water (less than 200 feet deep) in the Gulf of Mexico. The only sense in which “we are not allowed to drill in shallow waters” is that for a period of three weeks following the Macondo blowout, the Obama administration put a moratorium on drilling any NEW wells in shallow waters. That moratorium has been lifted: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/federal_government_approvea_ne.html.

    A moratorium on NEW offshore wells is a very good idea. It will take quite a while to root out and replace all the incompetent and/or bought-off Cheney/Bush appointees in the fantastically corrupt federal Minerals Management Service. Until we have an MMS which actually does what it is supposed to rather than serving as a stamp-pad for the oil companies it is supposed to regulate, it would be the height of recklessness to allow business to proceed as usual.

  185. Plutonian

    @196. JJ Says:

    ha, good point. Better advice would be to start using some common sense, but that never advice is never well received. It’ll just provoke a debate about the definition of common sense…

    Y’know what they say – the problem with common sense is that it just isn’t that common! ;-)

  186. Hubear

    Logging rain forest habitats to oblivion.

    You go down there and say, “Hey, guys, I’m a pampered Western middle class busybody and I’m here to tell you that you cannot farm your land.”

    Go on. Make sure you post the results to YouTube. Hey, you want people to get involved, so do it yourself. Go down to the Amazon and tell them what for face to face. I’ll pay for the airfare and the video camera.

    Bacteria never learned that.

    Well, yeah, what with them not having brains and all.

  187. JJ

    I’ve noticed, it’s all relative. As Einstein put it “common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen”. He’s right to a degree, that is, until one learns to research facts and question things, the very definition of being a skeptic.

  188. Kyrie

    You know what I hate more than oil? Irresponsible Conservative Republicans with bad memories and poorly thought out retoric. Remember that in November.

  189. QuietDesperation

    You know, “Unit Of Outrage” is a great name for a band.

    The unit could be the Bhopal.

    As in: “In the news today, experts estimate the BP oil spill has generated 2.3 Bhopals of outrage.”

    Rock on!

  190. JJ (the other one)

    JJ – “Do you blame the government for not regulating the airline industry enough when a pilot crashes?”

    If appropriate, absolutely.

    Can you convince me that not a single pilot-at-fault crash ever was avoidable through, say, regulations on working hours and/or split shifts? Through, say, mandated safety training? Through, say, mandated safety equipment in the cockpit to increase pilot awareness?

  191. frankdawg81

    The Onion had a great article today “Blue Whales ask Environmentalists To Stop Trying to Save Them” Basically let them die quickly rather than slowly.

    The best line was last “In 25 years you humans will be begging for the same thing”

    BTW – for the ‘blame Obama” moron up there: it was during Cheney’s energy task force meeting that it was decided that acoustic automatic shutoffs were not required for these wells. They were “too expensive” . . . BP could have installed 40,000 of them for the $20B they will put into the recovery fund.

  192. Elf Eye

    The New York Times is reporting that damage to a vent has forced BP to remove the cap, so oil is again gushing into the Gulf unrestricted.

  193. Avalonius

    Until Hydrocarbon decides that cheap petroleum is not a good thing, we will and must continue to drill for more. It isn’t just about gasoline, it’s about all the plastic bags at the supermarket. It is all of the plastic things that we just can’t live without. This isn’t just an American problem either. The whole world relies on oil, especially developing countries. Since the first wells drilled in Eastern Pennsylvania, we have thought of oil as a birthright, not a privilege, it is something that we deserve and we are going to get it any way we can.

    The myriad things mentioned in this article as ways to cut back are ineffectual, but only if they are done singly. Amass a large movement of people and hit the Big Oil where it hurts, in the pocketbook. The Deepwater Horizon leased out at close to $500,000/day, not exactly pocket change, even for a supermajor like BP. Start conserving and bring down the demand for petroleum and exploration will go down as well. The only reason to go look for oil in the Gulf is because the demand is there. Without demand, we don’t need a large supply. But this would never do, as we have to have cheap oil. Raise the price a few cents a barrel and the world cries out (a Star Wars reference might be inappropriate here…) in agony.

    Also, just to be clear, the BP spill isn’t generating anywhere close to 400,000, however up to 60,000 bbls is still no party. We may never get an accurate picture of the total damage, but my thought is, so what? Hurry up with the relief wells and we will clean up the mess we have made and salvage a bit of WTI crude for my hot rod! And this planet is not doomed, why must we assume that this planet is as fragile as we are? 4 billion years without a human hand and the world made it alright. When we are gone, the planet will still turn and be an even greener and healthier place for wildlife to live.

  194. debthom

    I just wanna cry! ALSO, how can Obama be hands on about this when Republicans want him to butt out of the problem? It is such a shame. Oil rigs may be shut down causing job loss, but making them safe should be priority one! Eco-system is PRICELESS.

  195. windwalker

    If we blame anyone here, we must include ourselves as well. This magnanimous incident is a big big big wake up to the ways WE EACH interact with this sweet earth we live on. Do i turn off my car while waiting in traffic, decline the various pamphlets/paper information that i don’t really need, turn off lights, water, share lovingly with others and come together in freedom and love…
    Yes we need BIG BIG CHANGES, we need them now-how can we empower ourselves in this moment- 68 billion powerful ‘regular people’ choicemakers and 600,000 “lawmakers”, lets do the math.

  196. Damn is Right

    Yes, it was during the oil-connected Bush years that America got screwed and now has this sickening environmental disaster on our hands. $20B will NO WAY begin to pay for this huge oil spill.

    Laws had better have already been changed requiring the automatic shutoffs on ANY new undersea well within X miles of American beaches, fishing grounds, etc. If not, what’s Salazar been up to??

  197. Nemesis

    7 BILLION HUNTER/GATHERERS, DEFECATING ON THE GROUND AND RIDING HORSEBACK TO THEIR GRASS HUTS WOULD STILL BE TOO MANY HUMANS.

    When will people realize, this goes far beyond how much petroleum their car uses? THAT ISN’T THE ONLY WAY YOU CONSUME PETROLEUM.

    The lifestyle we live is definitely part of the problem, but I don’t mean our petroleum dependence. It’s the technology we have developed that has allowed us to spread like viruses all over the earth, that’s the problem. 7 billion people on earth would be too many to sustain at any time, especially in our refrigerated, hospice-care society. In the past, events such as plague, famine, floods and wars have all helped to control our population to maintain sustainability. Now, we have hero doctors, vaccines and antibiotics, large, commercial farmlands capable of feeding millions, geological data and more civilized warfare, all of which have allowed our population to blossom to the point of self-destruction. Too many PEOPLE live on earth, but we see a need to kill everything but the thing that’s really causing the problems- PEOPLE.

    We need to go back to nature. If you can’t put food in your own mouth, you are in the way, and you’re dragging the world down. You must be left behind. We need contraceptives surgically installed during infancy :| , only to be removed when deemed competent. If you’re a detriment to society, you shouldn’t procreate. That might take care of some of our problems.

    It’s not the fact that we use gas in our cars (although we should stop), because everything in the car that isn’t metal is made from petroleum bi-products, and every aspect of transportation and production of our vehicles (even hybrids, for the self-righteous) uses petroleum. Everything we do is magnified by 7 billion. While, the mess in the gulf is both terrifying and tragic, it’s just the straw that might have broken the camel’s back. It’s impact wouldn’t be so severe, had we not been dumping toxins into the oceans for the past 150 years.

    Now, all of a sudden, everybody’s an environmentalist. How long have you been recycling, reducing waste, and making a conscious effort to help the earth? Does your water come from plastic bottles, because you don’t like drinking tap-water. Maybe you buy individually wrapped prunes. All of these convenience items are the problem. Everything we do (even by old-world methods) has a significant impact on the ecosystem, when there are 7 billion other people doing the same thing. If we all went back to farming and supporting ourselves, we’d still need chemicals, which need packaging, and so on, and so on…

    If you want the destruction of our planet to cease, find a way to remove 6 billion people without subsequently destroying everything else in the process.

    Sorry if I ramble. Some of it should make sense.

  198. richared

    A GENERATION IS GOING , AND A GENERATION IS COMING; BUT THE EARTH IS STANDING TO TIME INDEFINITE. (ECCLESIASTES 1 V4)

    IT DOES NOT BELONG TO MAN WHO IS WALKING EVEN TO DIRECT HIS STEP (JERIMIAH 10 V 23.)

    the BIG QUESTION IS DO (ALL OF US) HAVE THE SENSE TO RECOGNISE THE MESS OF OUR OWN MAKING??

    IS IT LOOKING LIKE WE WILL EVER ??

    dO WE HAVE IT IN US??

    CLEARLY NOT!! OUR HISTORY IS SHAMEFULL…… WHAT I HAVE SEEN OF THIS WORLD (NOT MEANING THE PLANET IT COULD BE LOVELY) IS SAME ERROR AND DISREGARD. GREAT INCREASE IN TECHNO BUT TO THE EXPENSE AND EXPLOTATION OF US ALL . I DONT THINK WE WILL GET AWAY WITH IT FOR MUCH LONGER……

    DOES THIS SOUND LIKE NOW?? BUT KNOW THIS, THAT IN THE LAST DAYS CRITICAL
    TIMES HARD TO DEAL WITH WILL BE HERE. FOR MEN WILL BE LOVERS OF
    THEMSELVES, LOVERS OF MONEY, SELF ASSUMING, HAUGHTY, BLASPHEMERS, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS, UNTHANKFULL, DISLOYAL, HAVING NO NATURAL AFFECTION, NOT OPEN TO ANY AGREEMENT, SLANDERERS, WITHOUT SELF CONTROL, FIERCE, WITHOUT LOVE OF GOODNESS, BETRAYERS, HEADSTRONG, PUFFED UP WITH PRIDE, LOVERS OF PLEASURES RATHER THANLOVERS OF GOD, HAVING A FORM OF GODLY DEVOTION BUT PROVING FALSE TO ITS POWER; AND FROM THESE TURN AWAY. (2ND TIMOTHY 3 V1-6

  199. JJ

    “You are talking utterly fact-free nonsense. There are over a thousand currently running oil wells in shallow water (less than 200 feet deep) in the Gulf of Mexico.”

    I’m aware of that and the that a judge recently ruled against Obama’s moratorium because it was concluded that the ban was politically driven, as it was. You conveniently left out the fact that Bush lifted the ban on off-shore drilling in 1998, under a Democratic majority in Congress. Also, amid those thousands of shallow water wells that have been active for years, we haven’t had a single incident. The majority of incidents occur in shipping, not drilling, due to human error. Here’s the facts:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63T5HZ20100430

    “Can you convince me that not a single pilot-at-fault crash ever was avoidable through, say, regulations on working hours and/or split shifts? Through, say, mandated safety training? Through, say, mandated safety equipment in the cockpit to increase pilot awareness?”

    I don’t think you’re understanding the criticism. People are saying there’s not enough regulations, not the fact that the existing regulations do good for the industry, they clearly do. I’m arguing we don’t need more regulations, we have enough already and they work when followed. BP failed to follow them over 760 times since 2005. They have a long record of safety violations and negligence.

    A recent crash, just last year, in Buffalo NY was caused by ice and lack of experience flying in icing conditions. All pilots must pass government mandated safety courses, as well as required training, before taking to the skies. If a pilot crashes, it’s usually due to mechanical failure, dangerous conditions, or human error (the majority). We are an imperfect race, accidents do happen. Also take the landing in the Hudson by Captain Sully. He defied all odds landing that plane in one piece after following protocol, but most of all because of his experience. Experience is not trainable, mastery comes with time. Inexperience directly correlates with greater instances of error, even amid quality training, look at rookie doctors. You can’t blame deregulation when such instances occur so rarely when the regulations are already in place. It’s not lack of regulation, it’s almost always attributed to human error or mechanical error, especially in an industry that has been active and highly regulated for over 60 years.

  200. Sean Quinn

    Obama is just as responsible for this as Bush was for 9/11.

    Scientists at NOAA sent Obama a petition begging him not to expand drilling. His appointee Salazar rammed through the waivers for the Deepwater well that caused this.

    Yes, Bush created the climate at MMS that contributed, but Obama, aware of the problem, decided to play “Let’s make cautious gradual changes”.

    Well, spitting at a forest fire won’t put it out.

  201. D.Allen

    It is a castastrophy granted but can you imagine if it was China drilling in cuban waters? they would up root and say it’s no my problem! We are fortunate it is BP! And if obama will let them us their money to correct the problem with going under paying punitive damages perhaps the coastal states will have a chance at not going under. What is obama going to with the dough? give it to ACORN?

  202. JJ

    “You conveniently left out the fact that Bush lifted the ban on off-shore drilling in 1998,”

    My mistake, I meant 2008. I’m also not defending BP or justifying their actions, but pointing out the lack of logic behind those blaming Bush and deregulation for this spill, which isn’t all that surprising considering Bush gets blamed for everything (even illogical things) under the sun by those on the left. MMS became Obama’s responsibility when he got elected and if he thought there was a problem, he would have fired those directors and hired his own. Obama also established his own cabinet, so a shared responsibility is held by the Interior Secretary in ensuring all those operations are running correctly. Furthermore, under Bush’s watch, the MMS didn’t allow a single oil catastrophe and all other oil companies had less than 10 safety violations since 2005.

  203. Uncle Dean

    The saddest thing about this is that the average American will put this in their head for a mere 10 minutes and wash it away with mindless television shows and propaganda to help block out the reality and severity of what actually has happened. This oil spill is the WORST disaster in United States history. This is many times worse than the Exxon Valdez incident of the 1990′s. Thousands of sea-life has been killed due to this spill and 40X more methane gas has been emitted into the air which is considered to be lethal doses if not cleaned up. This Methane gas is also taking out all the O2 in the ocean causing the suffocation of any sea-life in its path. Now I am not a “tree hugging” type or the “save the whales” type either. I am just a regular guy who is a little annoyed by the fat white anglo-saxon protestants who, once again, mess up big time, but still can line their pockets with tax payer money… The everyday citizen has to deal with the brunt of this catastrophe while the BP excec’s make more profit. Gas is still 2.80 plus for what reason?

    As American’s we should think about the situations that have been going on in our country and do something about it. Back in the day when we had a problem with something we spoke up, we rebelled against the current government, kicked their asses, and started a new one that worked…well over time gears are expected to get a little rusty and get out of line. It is up to us as a people to oil them back up and keep them in line…in check…

  204. Lord Koos

    First, nobody in the USA demanded, or voted for, cheap oil. Other countries pay far more than we do for gas and it has forced them to conserve, to build smaller cars, better public transportaion, and invest in alernative energy sources. Meanwhile we are allowed to continue our wasteful ways without having any real choices.

    Someone mentioned that “we don’t ground all airplanes because one crashes”. I’m sick of this right-wing script, which I have heard half a dozen times in the last week both online and on talk shows. First, when an airplane crashes it does not destroy an entire ecosystem, so those of you who keep floating this talking point, please give us a break with this Republican “logic”.

    Secondly, it doesn’t matter how rare a well blowout is because when the damage is this catastrophic, it only takes one to ruin an entire regional economy and way of life. In light of that, oversight has to be extremely aggressive, at the least, and even then there are no guarantees. In light of the amount of damage to the planet caused by this type of even, a temporary ban makes a lot of sense.

  205. JJ-
    Look up something called “section 390 categorical exclusions” That’s part of how BP got away with not doing a real impact statement on what would happen if there was a blowout.

    You ought to then examine this article. While it doesn’t directly relate, it speaks of the 2005 Energy act requiring the Interior Department to spend only 30 days reviewing the applications for drilling permits. This is essentially the policy that Bush wrote up with his industry colleagues, after an energy task force gave its report. Bush and Dick Cheney Cheney sued to keep the membership of the task force secret.

    Among the members of that task force? About four or five BP execs, if memory serves.

    So, how does Bush not have a great measure of responsibility for this disaster? Obama does have his measure, but it was the Bush Administration that fought to make sure the industry’s interests were served in this way.

    So, keep on righteously defending the Republicans, tell us what a superior alternative they are to the Democrats.

  206. Jack

    The “Corporations Over Country” Obama Haters posting here look at this picture…and get mad that somebody put a little water into BP’s oil.

    From past experience…we know the ONLY thing that would impress these Fox “News” Propaganda Channel cult members would be if President Obama landed on an aircraft carrier in the Gulf of Mexico…wearing a ridiculous-looking flightsuit…and declared “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!” like an idiot.

  207. sTevo

    If the best and the brightest were on this from the start, maybe we would have had several tankers on the scene sucking the crude up. The idea of dispersing it in hind sight is criminal. If Obama knew the extent of the leak and sat on the info, that is criminal and worthy of impeachment.

  208. Mark

    Let me just ask this. You are all smart people here. How long do you think this leak would have taken to stop if it had happened on land?
    They are trying to stop this at more than a mile below sea level because they are not allowed to drill in shallower waters closer to shore, or on land.

  209. M. Brix

    Well put Mr. Daugherty.

  210. Mark

    “215. Damn is Right Says:
    June 23rd, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Yes, it was during the oil-connected Bush years that America got screwed and now has this sickening environmental disaster on our hands. $20B will NO WAY begin to pay for this huge oil spill.

    Laws had better have already been changed requiring the automatic shutoffs on ANY new undersea well within X miles of American beaches, fishing grounds, etc. If not, what’s Salazar been up to??”

    Then why was this very same rig given a safety award just last year?

  211. GrannyBG

    Goodby cruel world…we loved ye but we killed ye.

  212. JJ

    I’m not defending either party, it’s very simple, Bush has been out of office for 2 years, this is not Bush’s problem. BP has been cited for over 760 safety violations since 2005! Bush was well aware of their terrible record. All of the other major corporations (Sunoco, Shell, Exxon-Mobil) had less than 10 violations each during that same time period. The problem is not lack of regulation, it’s BP’s own negligence. Being fined for safety violations necessitates that regulations were in place and were not followed. BP paid more than 75 million in fines during that period. They weren’t getting away with the violations, the Bush administration’s actions were consistent under the law and regulations were enforced.

    Section 390 also applies to environmental impacts only, not the act of drilling in itself. It basically says that oil and gas companies can avoid a FULL environmental assessment when drilling in areas that were previously approved by the EPA within 5 years. There’s nothing in there that dictates the safety or operations regulations associated with drilling. Those are a separate set of regulations that dictate thickness of concrete, platform construction, materials, etc. They even have additional steps to complete in lieu of a formal environmental assessment. You’re arguing against deregulation with another form of regulation. We all know a blowout is going to harm the environment, at least in the short term.

    “if there was a blowout…” is the key phrase. Measures should have been in place to prevent a blowout, and they were, but they failed to operate properly for an undetermined reason, which is under investigation. The blowout preventer should have triggered by 1 of 3 events and it failed. Their negligence or human error in maintaining equipment may very well be the cause of that, but that’s still under investigation as well.

    “Section 390 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 allows BLM to skip environmental assessments and impact statements for oil and gas projects in five specific circumstances, including:

    1. Individual surface disturbances of less than 5 acres so long as the total surface disturbance on the lease is not greater than 150 acres and site-specific analysis in a document prepared pursuant to NEPA has been previously completed.
    2. Drilling an oil or gas well at a location or well pad site at which drilling has occurred previously within 5 years prior to the date of spudding the well.
    3. Drilling an oil or gas well within a developed field for which an approved land use plan or any environmental document prepared pursuant to NEPA analyzed such drilling as a reasonably foreseeable activity, so long as such plan or document was approved within 5 years prior to the date of spudding the well.
    4. Placement of a pipeline in an approved right-of-way corridor, so long as the corridor was approved within 5 years prior to the date of placement of the pipeline.
    5. Maintenance of a minor activity, other than any construction or major renovation of a building or facility.

    BLM staff are supposed to document their decision and rationale for using a specific section 390 categorical exclusion. A number of additional steps are also required under section 390.”

  213. David in NY

    I hear a lot of criticism about what Obama didn’t do, but damn little in the way of concrete statements about what specifically he could have done but didn’t. I mean, what was he supposed to do, stick his finger in the hole in the floor of the Gulf? It seems to me that the only realistic hope to slowing this has been drilling the relief wells, and we’ve never asked our government to do something like that ( it would be too much “big government,” you know, so we can’t have it in the oil business, let private enterprise handle it /sarcasm/).

    This was pretty clearly BP’s fault. It was also the fault of the regulatory agency involved, but as near as I can tell, that agency was full of Bush moles. Maybe Obama could have started bashing BP sooner to get it moving faster on the relief wells, but I don’t know that they could have moved faster anyway.

  214. Kyle

    Didn’t that used to be blue? :*(

  215. Brian

    Agent Smith was right. Human beings are a cancer of this planet.

  216. Scott

    TO: “24. ccpetersen Says:
    June 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm”

    So you actually think the environment is getting “payback” to the GOP states? Not sure your geographic area but I would bet money you have taken advantage of the Gulf Coast at some point in your life. Whether it be the seafood, fishing or tourist industry. If you don’t like the GOP states stay home.

    You obviously are an Obama supporter so chew on this. If it weren’t for liberals pushing the oil drilling limits so far out and so far deep this hole would have been “plugged” within a week. Its not about America’s dependence on oil. There is plenty of oil in this world to give us fuel for the next 500 years. Last I hear,d crude oil was a natural substance that will eventually disperse. I am a native of the Gulf Coast, and I abhor seeing this disaster like the next guy.

    But I love these hypocrites who gripe and complain about the Oil Industry and 99% of them drive gasoline vehicles. You got another fuel that is cheaper to produce, is as plentiful, and efficient as oil? Let’s hear it. Mass produce it and do this world a favor. If not stop blaming the GOP and acting like your not making a political statement in favor of liberals.

  217. David D.

    A few points here:

    A recent article in the Washington Examiner (you can Google, right?) notes that “not one of the officials responsible for overseeing the exploded rig was a Bush political appointee.” This is contrary to the narrative that it was “burrowed-in” (Pelosi’s description) Bush lackeys who were running the ship.

    Second, how ’bout this quote:
    “”There’s been a lot of excitement that’s been growing over the last several years. Now, we’ve partnered with BP — we’ll have the resources we need to carry out some of the things we want to do in order to help save the world . . . in part by doing something about the energy problem.”

    Joe Barton? Glenn Beck? Rush Limbaugh?
    Nope.
    Those immortal lines were uttered by none other than . . . Stephen Chu.

    (facepalm)

  218. Brian Too

    Anyone remember the big PR campaign a few years ago? The oil companies were saying that ocean oil rigs were actually good for the environment. Fish gathered around them, presumably because they were fixed structures providing a bit of shelter and cover. These were glossy ads with beautiful full colour pictures, the whole works.

    I don’t say they lied. I say it was only true as long as there wasn’t a leak. Then all the fish… go away… to the “farm”…

  219. frank

    oil well, thats c rude, we need to support BP so they make money to pay for this mess after the mess is clean and all the people have been paid then we should boycott all BP Products and put them in bankruptcy. I am sorry for the families that work for BP. They are not to blame it is the ceo that should be put in prison for manslaughter plus other charges. And the ones that gave them the permit to drill without proper safety devices should also be charged. This is a lose lose situation. My problem is if you cannot trust our government to keep us safe from problems like this how can you expect them to keep us safe using nuke energy plants.?

  220. JJ

    For all those who believe Obama to be high and mighty and that Bush and Republicans are responsible for everything wrong with everything, I’d like to point out some fun facts.

    “BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.”

    “During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.”

    “BP has also evolved in its corporate giving over the past decade, shifting more money to Democrats. In 2000, the company gave almost 39 percent more to Republicans than to Democrats. But by 2008, Democrats had nearly pulled even with Republicans on BP donations.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html

  221. Steve

    I honestly can’t believe how much damage has been done, I want to say thank you for posting this but it almost makes me sick to look at. What has the human race become? I’d be surprised if we even lived to the “December 2012″ date that some are so scared of… this makes me ashamed to be a human…. My sincere apologies to earth and mother nature, I hope you can survive this!

  222. Wayne

    Save the gulf: Get rid of your car.

  223. Damon

    “That said, I don’t believe blaming one man because things aren’t getting done is the right thing to do. It’s just…interesting how people’s tunes change when it isn’t (or is) their man in the White House.”

    Um… That’s because Bush was an enormous F***-up. Historical fact.

    We didn’t just arbitrarily choose to prefer Obama because he’s a Democrat. He had already proven himself a more qualified, intelligent, and generally better individual before he even ran for President.

    What’s really pathetic is the Republican smear campaign going on right now (tea party, protests, lobbying) just because he is black/democrat/not their man. It’s childish and frankly, treasonous.

  224. Larch

    after today’s development, I would suggest that the drilling rig (Deepwater Horizon) which exploded and disappeared at the beginning of this debacle, be renamed: Deepwater Event Horizon. beyond which everything fails.

  225. Justin Passing

    What you can do now?

    Well, if you acted accordingly upon the Valdez and Bhopal incidents, maybe this would be avoided with stricter security procedures (heck, the right thing to do would be to avoid those two “accidents” in the first place).

    What you can do now?

    Well, for those who make money on oil, maybe prices go up, who knows?

    For those who love life and Earth… well, you can always weep. 8-/

    And wait for the next one.

  226. Andrea

    Yikes.

    Can we stop wasting time trying to assign blame and start fixing the dang thing instead?

  227. Andy

    “We didn’t just arbitrarily choose to prefer Obama because he’s a Democrat. He had already proven himself a more qualified, intelligent, and generally better individual before he even ran for President.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more. Bush is a very good man, even if he’s a few beers short of a 6 pack. I also remind you that Obama said he’s been to “all 57 states” and said he’d rather be a “really good one term president than a mediocre 2 term president”. If he was a really good 1 term president, he would most likely be elected to a second term…

    “What’s really pathetic is the Republican smear campaign going on right now (tea party, protests, lobbying) just because he is black/democrat/not their man. It’s childish and frankly, treasonous.”

    You should read the real news. Tea stands for “taxed enough already”. Obama doubled the national debt left by 8 years of Bush in only 1 year in office. They’re protesting big government spending and higher taxes that are in the works to pay for all of it and many states have already raised their own taxes. Has nothing to do with him being black and conservative Democrats are involved in the Tea Party as well. Calling them childish and treasonous is just plain un-american (right to assembly and free speech – 1st amendment). I’m sure you don’t consider the code pink or anti-troop protesters treasonous…You, sir, are a prime example of so-called “liberal elitism”.

  228. JTS - USMC

    I don’t get those who attack Obama for letting Government take over America and ruin the country also want him to interfere with the BP oil spill to a larger extent. Doesn’t make sense. I can’t wait for these 4 years to be over.

  229. lc

    Jeff B. makes a very good point. Everyone who drives a car is to blame.

    A catastrphe? Absolutely! Made much worse by all of the political bickering which is hampering the clean-up effort. Much money is being spent to placate the public and in defense of accusations, that should be put to use in the clean-up effort.

    It’s the politics and finger pointing that makes me sick!

  230. Andy

    People don’t realize that Obama is more of the same. He’s doing just about everything the same as Bush, only worse…bigger government, bigger spending, and carrying out the same Bush policies overseas that Liberals so vehemently protested during his term. Where are those protesters now? Where’s the media coverage of them? Why aren’t celebs running telethons to help the people impacted by the Gulf oil spill?

  231. peggy

    Let’s stop arguing politics, y’all. We’re just wasting our energy fighting each other, and over something as inconsequential as coke vs pepsi. No matter whose fault it is, it’s everybody’s problem. We’re all natural allies on this one…let’s not go looking for a reason to divide ourselves artificially, because i think we’re going to need each other here.

    The government is incapable of fixing this for us — i’m pretty sure they’d like it to stop just as much as we would (after all they’ve only got this one planet too) — but all that’s been coming from them so far is finger-pointing and vague promises. And that’s how people behave when they’re on the hot seat for something and have no answers, right? It’s not *proof* that the government is effectively powerless in this situation…but i’d say it’s a pretty strong indicator. (Similar reasoning has led me to believe BP isn’t capable of fixing this clusterf*** either…but i’ll leave that proof to the reader q: )

    So it doesn’t matter who *should* fix this, because all the entities with any potential legal responsibility are incapable of it. The longer we leave them to take care of it for us, the more they’ll f*** it up, if experience so far is any indicator. IMHO the way forward is *around* these windbags, not through them. If you want something done, you’ve got to do it yourself, right?

  232. What this planet needs is a well-placed asteroid strike. It’s all gone to hell. We were given Eden, and ruined it.

  233. >Can we stop wasting time trying to assign blame and start fixing the dang thing instead?<

    Good idea. The President and the Speaker of the House can go first.

  234. Andy

    I second that notion.

  235. Kathy Handyside

    Every BP official ought to be boiled in their own stinking oil, along with the idiot Republicans who think we’re picking on BP too much!

  236. Stargazer

    Of course it’s possible to not use fossil fuels. In my country less than 2% of our electricity comes from fossil fuels, most of it comes from hydro and nuclear power.

    If nothing else we will have to stop if we want to drastically reduce pollution, and slow down global warming. Too expensive? Imagine the cost if we do nothing to change our ways. Of course people don’t care, so I guess we’ll just have to wait for the oil to run out and then maybe people will finally understand that we need something else. But then it’s too late.

    It’s depressing that people think that short term low cost is more important than problems that pollution brings, for the environment and for us. As long as it cost a little less money, then everything else is fine.

  237. Suhel Majid

    A bed of oil was needed – they came, they saw, they got it.

    Now a bed of oil has become the death bed for some lives. God bless the affected!!!

  238. frank

    I can see it now! to the guy that said we are all to blame for driving a car. I got fired today because I did not want to be blamed, so I did not show up for work because I had no way to get there. Unfortunately my house payment was due I cannot afford to pay the payment because I have no job. By the way my four kids are getting hungry because I could not go to the store, again I have no car and I have no jobs and I have no money and I have no food for my kids. Sarcasm over. Give me a break. The world revolves around oil. whether we like it or not. And the sacrifice of our evolving lifes is inevitable that we will have a disaster or two or three in our lives. The best thing we as the human race can do is learn from our mistakes and hope that the cost of the disaster does not destroy the earth. I am sick and tired of the political blame. He had one thing right we are all to blame, the cause of this is simple (greed) some one tried to save a buck at the expense of all of us. We should teach our children better than the generation before us. Because obviously the teachers that schooled the generation before us did not do a very good job and a results are obvious.

  239. karen6410

    So, Frank, when we’re finished destroying the earth, how will you feed your kids?

  240. frank

    to# 261 yes nuclear power is one solution but if we can not put the proper safety devices on an oil well do you think we can trust our best educated minds and engineers to put all of the safety devices on nuclear power plants. It scares the hell out of me. There are so many alternatives for power such as ocean wave technology, magnetic technology, steam technology, to name a few and I could go on and on about alternative fuels. But the progress of getting these technologies out to the public is too slow. These technologies have been known for a long time. But it is the oil companies and the government’s that stop the progress because of greed. there is money to be made in oil. For example googl” who killed the electric car” there you will see the oil companies (greed) at work! This is not a conspiracy, this is just greedy. How sad is that we the human race are destroying ourselves. We are only on this earth for a number of years per generation, let’s learn something from this tragic experience. We only have one earth and one life.

  241. Makes me ashamed to be human and british..

  242. Your Name Here

    Just discovered something: there’s a way to make plastics not using oil.

    Sweet.

  243. Robert

    Hey you better not tell BP they will have to pay or they will raise the price of gas, any half-wit should know this system is run and controlled by the corperations and if you challenge them you will pay more in the long run. You all just need to realize that the world works best when For Profit companies run it, after all even Alan Greenspan said it is not in the best interest of companies to cheat so no need to regulate them they will do it themselves, free unregulated markets are the answer for everything. Hey for any of you that read this far I got this bridge in Arizona I would like to sell, please call 1 800 bul- sh*#.

  244. That is just simply heartbreaking.

  245. I look at this and imagine looking from a motor boat at a the “slick” from a minor leak from the outboard motor. From a few feet away, those few ounces might have this sort of look. For having a leak like that, I could be fined. For having a leak like due to recklessness and systematic flouting of regulations, a fine might not be all I’d face …

    Sigh … thank you for posting the image …

  246. Andy

    “yes nuclear power is one solution but if we can not put the proper safety devices on an oil well do you think we can trust our best educated minds and engineers to put all of the safety devices on nuclear power plants. It scares the hell out of me.”

    I wonder why the blowout preventer didn’t have a manual shutoff myself, not very smart, but I’m sure there’s a legit reason, those engineers aren’t dumb. Don’t be scared of nukes. We’ve only had 1 major meltdown in the history of nuclear power, Chernobyl.

    The Chernobyl nuclear accident is widely regarded as the worst accident in the history of nuclear power. It is the only nuclear accident that has been classified a “major accident” by the International Atomic Energy Agency. – Discovery

    http://news.discovery.com/tech/top-five-nuclear-disasters.html

    All other nuclear issues were minor and they’ve developed much better safety regulations and technology since the 1980s. The chances of a major meltdown or radiation escaping a plant today is virtually nil. You can’t mess around with nuclear power either, the government knows this, as does the private industry, which their history of safe operation supports.

  247. Don

    Folks in the end it all boils down to s..t happens, Now its up to those of us that live here to straighten it out. For those that are still on the fence, it is GW’s fault along with Darth Cheney. Deny all you want, but in the end it doesn’t matter does it? Its up to all of us to straighten out what those that feel the world owes them something on account of their brilliance (as usual). The little guy may be little but he winds up carrying the load EVERY time………

  248. Barry

    The planet has been hundreds of millions if not billions of years. It has evolved as one catastrophic event after another takes place. It will survive and evolve way after the human species is long gone.Very tragic indeed,but stop calling it “saving the planet”. The planet will survive and evolve through anything man can throw at it. It is about the self serving need of keeping the conditions on the planet tolerable enough to support ourselves. And it can only support so many of each species.Wanna save the planet? Stop saving every human baby that nature wouldn’t have otherwise. Stop extending life with modern meds. And stop breeding exponentially. As to the “virus with shoes “comment, If man is so horrible, then why don’t we do the planet a big favor and exterminate ourselves.
    You first.

  249. Sue

    Reading the comments I can completely understand why I prefer the company of animals to humans. Some of you make good points (those that say one person cannot be blamed for this). Others are big mouthed blow hards, arm chair quarterbacks that know exactly what should have been done and what should be done in the future but sit on their fat asses posting comments on a picture from space. Making it political, saying poor BP. Humans, a plague upon the earth. We destroy everything we touch. We need to cull the herd drastically. How about we start with know it all aholes that would not know what to do with an olive oil spill in their kitchen.

    You are all so full of yourselves.

  250. Mashadar

    Would you take public transit to and from work 2 or 3 days a week? Did that for 10mos a couple years ago
    Would you sell your car/truck for a smart car or hybrid?Hello, hybribs have plastic/rubber parts, and are machines, as such they require lubrication(all petro products). They’re built in big factories by more machines(plastic, rubber, and lube here too). Go ahead and crow about how green they are.
    Would you spend $10,000 to re-insulate your house or install photo-voltaics?10k for a pv system, what are you on and why aren’t you sharing? Or are you referring to the peel and stick(thin film) kind with 20% efficiency, and a 10 yr warranty? I doubt even one of those would cost 1ok.
    Would you mow your lawn manually?I’ll go you one better, never mow it at all, everytime you cut grass it produces pollen, allergies anyone?

    And for those of you who think green energy will save us and reduce or dependence on oil… only 1% of the oil we use in America is used for electricity, so green up the grid all you want, it won’t help nearly as much as you’d like to think.

    Oh and Mr. “Just discovered something: there’s a way to make plastics not using oil.”, I’ve heard this before on other blogs/forums/etc. When I ask what they are, or ask for details, the result is always resounding silence. So please, if you truly know of a viable, sustainable, efficient, cost effective, alternative to oil based plastics, that can meet global demand, enlighten us.

    And Frank, all your alternatives sound lovely, but they all need to be manufactured and don’t really address the heart of our dependence on oil. As long as we NEED oil for plastic/rubber/lubrication, used in the manufacturing process of EVERYTHING that is not made by hand, we will NEVER be free of oil.

    Oh and overpopulated-planet-guy, Nemesis, ever watch a movie called “Logan’s Run”?Everybody got renewed(vaporized) at age thirty to make room for the next generation. Worked so well for them, they had people(runners) trying to escape just to stay alive. Had to have state police(sandmen) specially trained to hunt them down and execute them for having the gall to want to live. Sounds like paradise, yeah?

  251. david, Zurich

    why is it the americans choose to always blame everyone else except themselves? whos was operating the rig? transocean, american company. whos fault was the accident? still unknown but haliburtons underwater concreting is a prime suspect. which countries the biggest consumer of oil? America.

    its the same as destabilising mexico and other south american countries due to American demand for drugs. sort your own house out before you blame other people.

    lastly spills like this have been happening in the niger delta for years but as its not in americas back yard no one cares. wake up.

  252. Chris Hansen

    It’s funny, because none of you were complaining when you were filling your gas tanks.

  253. julie ranahan

    yes….it is a shame….so where are you on the subject when your vehicle needs a fill up….that is what I thought….blame BP….blame OBama….blame your government….who is really to blame…..we are, the gas guzzling world….now start talking about alternatives to oil….wind, solar, electric cars.

  254. Mashadar

    @ Julie
    None of your alternatives will free us from oil, Julie. They all use petro chem products in the manufacturing process. Only 1% of the oil we use is used for electricity, so wind, solar, tides wont do much to reduce our oil dependence. And anyway, you’re sitting in front of a machine that uses petro chem products, whining about people using petro chem products? Not to mention all the nasty toxic stuff that makes it illegal to dump them in a landfill? Stop worrying about the speck in someone else’s eye till you’ve removed the plank from your own.

  255. Mashadar

    Still waiting to hear about the amazing alternatives to oil based plastics/rubber that will truly end our dependence on oil.

    Anyone?

  256. Mashadar

    Yeah, kinda what i thought. Same old story.

  257. Tommy

    now, this isn’t oil we can cook with, right? We will never come back from this. So many lives, so many ways of life, so many jobs, so many ideas of the ocean changed and ended. A round of applause for us, yes it is easy to criticize a faceless regime when it is our fault. Our unending need for fleeting energy and life, we scream for more only if it means we don’t have to see it being derived. Hell, there is always the moon, right?

  258. jthill

    Sooo, Dr. Sid, we’re not supposed to get mad, huh? It’s “not as bad as it looks from orbit”, huh? You can say that and in almost the next breath show that you know it’s far, far worse than it appears from orbit?

    This seems like a mini-preview of the last scene from The Forge of God: where the dad of one of the children chosen to avenge the Earth objects to his being forced to watch its destruction.

    And the kid says, “But Dad, if I don’t see, I won’t know how mad I’m supposed to be.”

    The damage from this is not done until all the people who take the profits because, after all, they take the risks, have paid every last penny for the cleanup, and everyone who should have countermanded the corner-cutting and said nothing is pumping gas for the rest of their lives, in some town on the Gulf where everyone knows who they are and what they’ve done.

  259. Jeffrey

    Three points:
    One: There are worst things.
    The oil spill does look bad but there are worse things, some you can see and some you can not.
    The Russians to irrigate cotton have nearly dried up a whole sea. But the Aral Sea disappearing is not as bad because that took thirty to forty years.
    You can’t see the large areas of the oceans that are substantially devoid of fish stock (sounds a bit like dead to me), or the thirty percent decrease in the structure of Arctic krill shells due to increasing ocean acidity.
    Estimated complete failure by 2030. Goodbye whales. Japanese scientific (?) whaling might be the least of their problems.
    Two: With what we have done to the world, as above, there have thus far been no leaders
    who have been able to supply the least bit of pallative care for this dying epoch. Now Obama is to be better than any other leader to date. At a guess that’ll happen about the same time everybody stops driving cars and buying food shrunk wrapped in oil.
    Three: I think humanity is just about smart enough to recreate the conditions under which oil was created. Lifeless and anoxic oceans where all that carbon waste sinks into a toxic waste at the bottom of the ocean. Then tectonic movement might or might not subduct (trash compact) that waste to produce a new Ghawar oil field.
    To me it looks like we are fulfilling our true destiny. Mass extinction here we come.

  260. kane

    it wasnt actually BP’s fault, trans ocean were actually manageing the barge but BP buitly it. So i personally think it is trans ocean’s faullt

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