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		<title>By: AVN loses its charity status &#171; Skepacabra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/04/the-avn-falsehoods-keep-on-a-comin/#comment-247435</link>
		<dc:creator>AVN loses its charity status &#171; Skepacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vaccines save people. Lack of vaccination sees them die. &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vaccines save people. Lack of vaccination sees them die. &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the AVN in Australia getting hammered repeatedly in the press, I can now have some hope that the movement here in the United States, [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Opisthokont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opisthokont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things.  First, I find myself in the irritating position of defending Meryl Dorey, specifically to refute TechyDad&#039;s comment #4: she did *not* say anything about God making us this way, or pig or chicken cells being in vaccines.  That was one of her group&#039;s members, making a comment on (I think: it is not explicit in the post itself) Facebook.  Yes, the quote is both mind-numbingly ignorant and blood-boilingly offensive.  But no, it was *not* Dorey herself, and should not be represented as such.

Yuck.  The bad taste in my mouth won will take a while to go away, I think, but it is our responsibility as sceptics to keep things as accurate as possible!

Now, the original reason why I was going to comment: I had no idea until reading Dorey&#039;s post that she had any connection with the McCafferys beyond her heading an organisation essentially responsible for their baby&#039;s death.  But that Mr Dorey and Mr McCaffery knew one another before the whole debacle started just pushes the irony meter into the uncomfortably-close-to-exploding zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things.  First, I find myself in the irritating position of defending Meryl Dorey, specifically to refute TechyDad&#8217;s comment #4: she did *not* say anything about God making us this way, or pig or chicken cells being in vaccines.  That was one of her group&#8217;s members, making a comment on (I think: it is not explicit in the post itself) Facebook.  Yes, the quote is both mind-numbingly ignorant and blood-boilingly offensive.  But no, it was *not* Dorey herself, and should not be represented as such.</p>
<p>Yuck.  The bad taste in my mouth won will take a while to go away, I think, but it is our responsibility as sceptics to keep things as accurate as possible!</p>
<p>Now, the original reason why I was going to comment: I had no idea until reading Dorey&#8217;s post that she had any connection with the McCafferys beyond her heading an organisation essentially responsible for their baby&#8217;s death.  But that Mr Dorey and Mr McCaffery knew one another before the whole debacle started just pushes the irony meter into the uncomfortably-close-to-exploding zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/04/the-avn-falsehoods-keep-on-a-comin/#comment-247432</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine how it must feel for the McCaffery&#039;s to have to keep revisitting this.  How horrific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t imagine how it must feel for the McCaffery&#8217;s to have to keep revisitting this.  How horrific.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeebok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeebok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 10:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t read any more of Toni&#039;s post and I&#039;m only up to #7. I was getting teary :( That a parent who&#039;s had to bury their child, should have to defend themselves from this is just disgusting and for Toni to feel she needs to do it in such detail must be agonising for her.
I has a sad :( but at least I know about it, I woulda had a sad no matter how I learnt about it. Another ta for the heads up.
Comment from Marge FTW !
Marge Innovera [..] Meryl, since you’re American, let me respond to this post in American: You’re a lying sack of shit. There’s a job for you at Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t read any more of Toni&#8217;s post and I&#8217;m only up to #7. I was getting teary <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  That a parent who&#8217;s had to bury their child, should have to defend themselves from this is just disgusting and for Toni to feel she needs to do it in such detail must be agonising for her.<br />
I has a sad <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  but at least I know about it, I woulda had a sad no matter how I learnt about it. Another ta for the heads up.<br />
Comment from Marge FTW !<br />
Marge Innovera [..] Meryl, since you’re American, let me respond to this post in American: You’re a lying sack of shit. There’s a job for you at Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all that has been posted about the awful Meryl Dorey but please lets get rid of the silly term &quot;Herd immunity&quot;. Animals are in herds,  people are in groups.
At the start of the video the commentator says &quot;herd immunity is a term used to describe the protection that a group of people&quot; Ok if its a term used to describe a group of people why not just call it group immunity because thats what it is.  Just call it what it is without trying to come up with a cute or catchy name. Plain and simple group immunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all that has been posted about the awful Meryl Dorey but please lets get rid of the silly term &#8220;Herd immunity&#8221;. Animals are in herds,  people are in groups.<br />
At the start of the video the commentator says &#8220;herd immunity is a term used to describe the protection that a group of people&#8221; Ok if its a term used to describe a group of people why not just call it group immunity because thats what it is.  Just call it what it is without trying to come up with a cute or catchy name. Plain and simple group immunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I can not respond to people like Dorey with anything other than threats of violence.
Dorey has issued and implemented a violent campaign whose end effect is the death of a lot of people.
She does this in order to change a political stance.
She, and those who support her, are, by the US State Department&#039;s definition, terrorists.
The definition of &quot;terrorist&quot; would apply even in cases of violence against property, so saying that a dedicated campaign that has resulted in multiple deaths doesn&#039;t meet the US definition of terrorism because the victims were babies is BS of the highest degree.
Note Bene that I realize that this is occurring in Australia, but, Damn .
Prosecute this &quot;person&quot; to the fullest extent of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I can not respond to people like Dorey with anything other than threats of violence.<br />
Dorey has issued and implemented a violent campaign whose end effect is the death of a lot of people.<br />
She does this in order to change a political stance.<br />
She, and those who support her, are, by the US State Department&#8217;s definition, terrorists.<br />
The definition of &#8220;terrorist&#8221; would apply even in cases of violence against property, so saying that a dedicated campaign that has resulted in multiple deaths doesn&#8217;t meet the US definition of terrorism because the victims were babies is BS of the highest degree.<br />
Note Bene that I realize that this is occurring in Australia, but, Damn .<br />
Prosecute this &#8220;person&#8221; to the fullest extent of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very hard to post this without swearing:

&quot;I [Meryl Dorey] have been accused of harassing this grieving family by making this call. It is my assertion however that the official from the NCAHS has not only committed a serious breach of confidentiality by informing a third party that I had contacted him; he in fact, has harassed the McCafferys by calling a grieving family to tell them that I had asked for confirmation of Dana’s diagnosis. What possible reason could he have had for taking this action?&quot;

First, she claims some right of medical privacy to protect her from revealing that she was attempting to violate someone else&#039;s medical privacy.  The arrogance of this is overwhelming.

She accuses the people she attempted to suborn of harassment for revealing that she did so to the people whose privacy she was invading.  That&#039;s like accusing someones neighbors of harassing them when they call them to inform them that they&#039;ve just spotted you attempting to burgle their house.

Finally, show asks what possible reason they would have for doing this.  Maybe to warn them that were being stalked by a psychotic child-murder?

I used to wonder if Meryl Dorey was simply ignorant and misguided.  She is clearly evil incarnate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very hard to post this without swearing:</p>
<p>&#8220;I [Meryl Dorey] have been accused of harassing this grieving family by making this call. It is my assertion however that the official from the NCAHS has not only committed a serious breach of confidentiality by informing a third party that I had contacted him; he in fact, has harassed the McCafferys by calling a grieving family to tell them that I had asked for confirmation of Dana’s diagnosis. What possible reason could he have had for taking this action?&#8221;</p>
<p>First, she claims some right of medical privacy to protect her from revealing that she was attempting to violate someone else&#8217;s medical privacy.  The arrogance of this is overwhelming.</p>
<p>She accuses the people she attempted to suborn of harassment for revealing that she did so to the people whose privacy she was invading.  That&#8217;s like accusing someones neighbors of harassing them when they call them to inform them that they&#8217;ve just spotted you attempting to burgle their house.</p>
<p>Finally, show asks what possible reason they would have for doing this.  Maybe to warn them that were being stalked by a psychotic child-murder?</p>
<p>I used to wonder if Meryl Dorey was simply ignorant and misguided.  She is clearly evil incarnate.</p>
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		<title>By: Antivaxxers take note: vaccines stop polio outbreak in Tajikistan &#124; Bad Astronomy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/04/the-avn-falsehoods-keep-on-a-comin/#comment-247427</link>
		<dc:creator>Antivaxxers take note: vaccines stop polio outbreak in Tajikistan &#124; Bad Astronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 04:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/04/the-avn-falsehoods-keep-on-a-comin/#comment-247426</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a little more news about the AVN from the SMH...
http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html?skin=text-only</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little more news about the AVN from the SMH&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html?skin=text-only" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html?skin=text-only</a></p>
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