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		<title>By: AVN loses its charity status &#171; Skepacabra</title>
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		<dc:creator>AVN loses its charity status &#171; Skepacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vaccines save people. Lack of vaccination sees them die. &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vaccines save people. Lack of vaccination sees them die. &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the AVN in Australia getting hammered repeatedly in the press, I can now have some hope that the movement here in the United States, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Opisthokont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opisthokont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things.  First, I find myself in the irritating position of defending Meryl Dorey, specifically to refute TechyDad&#039;s comment #4: she did *not* say anything about God making us this way, or pig or chicken cells being in vaccines.  That was one of her group&#039;s members, making a comment on (I think: it is not explicit in the post itself) Facebook.  Yes, the quote is both mind-numbingly ignorant and blood-boilingly offensive.  But no, it was *not* Dorey herself, and should not be represented as such.

Yuck.  The bad taste in my mouth won will take a while to go away, I think, but it is our responsibility as sceptics to keep things as accurate as possible!

Now, the original reason why I was going to comment: I had no idea until reading Dorey&#039;s post that she had any connection with the McCafferys beyond her heading an organisation essentially responsible for their baby&#039;s death.  But that Mr Dorey and Mr McCaffery knew one another before the whole debacle started just pushes the irony meter into the uncomfortably-close-to-exploding zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things.  First, I find myself in the irritating position of defending Meryl Dorey, specifically to refute TechyDad&#8217;s comment #4: she did *not* say anything about God making us this way, or pig or chicken cells being in vaccines.  That was one of her group&#8217;s members, making a comment on (I think: it is not explicit in the post itself) Facebook.  Yes, the quote is both mind-numbingly ignorant and blood-boilingly offensive.  But no, it was *not* Dorey herself, and should not be represented as such.</p>
<p>Yuck.  The bad taste in my mouth won will take a while to go away, I think, but it is our responsibility as sceptics to keep things as accurate as possible!</p>
<p>Now, the original reason why I was going to comment: I had no idea until reading Dorey&#8217;s post that she had any connection with the McCafferys beyond her heading an organisation essentially responsible for their baby&#8217;s death.  But that Mr Dorey and Mr McCaffery knew one another before the whole debacle started just pushes the irony meter into the uncomfortably-close-to-exploding zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine how it must feel for the McCaffery&#039;s to have to keep revisitting this.  How horrific.</description>
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		<title>By: Yeebok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeebok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 10:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t read any more of Toni&#039;s post and I&#039;m only up to #7. I was getting teary :( That a parent who&#039;s had to bury their child, should have to defend themselves from this is just disgusting and for Toni to feel she needs to do it in such detail must be agonising for her.
I has a sad :( but at least I know about it, I woulda had a sad no matter how I learnt about it. Another ta for the heads up.
Comment from Marge FTW !
Marge Innovera [..] Meryl, since you’re American, let me respond to this post in American: You’re a lying sack of shit. There’s a job for you at Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t read any more of Toni&#8217;s post and I&#8217;m only up to #7. I was getting teary <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  That a parent who&#8217;s had to bury their child, should have to defend themselves from this is just disgusting and for Toni to feel she needs to do it in such detail must be agonising for her.<br />
I has a sad <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  but at least I know about it, I woulda had a sad no matter how I learnt about it. Another ta for the heads up.<br />
Comment from Marge FTW !<br />
Marge Innovera [..] Meryl, since you’re American, let me respond to this post in American: You’re a lying sack of shit. There’s a job for you at Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all that has been posted about the awful Meryl Dorey but please lets get rid of the silly term &quot;Herd immunity&quot;. Animals are in herds,  people are in groups. 
At the start of the video the commentator says &quot;herd immunity is a term used to describe the protection that a group of people&quot; Ok if its a term used to describe a group of people why not just call it group immunity because thats what it is.  Just call it what it is without trying to come up with a cute or catchy name. Plain and simple group immunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all that has been posted about the awful Meryl Dorey but please lets get rid of the silly term &#8220;Herd immunity&#8221;. Animals are in herds,  people are in groups.<br />
At the start of the video the commentator says &#8220;herd immunity is a term used to describe the protection that a group of people&#8221; Ok if its a term used to describe a group of people why not just call it group immunity because thats what it is.  Just call it what it is without trying to come up with a cute or catchy name. Plain and simple group immunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I can not respond to people like Dorey with anything other than threats of violence.  
Dorey has issued and implemented a violent campaign whose end effect is the death of a lot of people.
She does this in order to change a political stance.
She, and those who support her, are, by the US State Department&#039;s definition, terrorists.
The definition of &quot;terrorist&quot; would apply even in cases of violence against property, so saying that a dedicated campaign that has resulted in multiple deaths doesn&#039;t meet the US definition of terrorism because the victims were babies is BS of the highest degree.
Note Bene that I realize that this is occurring in Australia, but, Damn .
Prosecute this &quot;person&quot; to the fullest extent of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I can not respond to people like Dorey with anything other than threats of violence.<br />
Dorey has issued and implemented a violent campaign whose end effect is the death of a lot of people.<br />
She does this in order to change a political stance.<br />
She, and those who support her, are, by the US State Department&#8217;s definition, terrorists.<br />
The definition of &#8220;terrorist&#8221; would apply even in cases of violence against property, so saying that a dedicated campaign that has resulted in multiple deaths doesn&#8217;t meet the US definition of terrorism because the victims were babies is BS of the highest degree.<br />
Note Bene that I realize that this is occurring in Australia, but, Damn .<br />
Prosecute this &#8220;person&#8221; to the fullest extent of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very hard to post this without swearing:

&quot;I [Meryl Dorey] have been accused of harassing this grieving family by making this call. It is my assertion however that the official from the NCAHS has not only committed a serious breach of confidentiality by informing a third party that I had contacted him; he in fact, has harassed the McCafferys by calling a grieving family to tell them that I had asked for confirmation of Dana’s diagnosis. What possible reason could he have had for taking this action?&quot;

First, she claims some right of medical privacy to protect her from revealing that she was attempting to violate someone else&#039;s medical privacy.  The arrogance of this is overwhelming.

She accuses the people she attempted to suborn of harassment for revealing that she did so to the people whose privacy she was invading.  That&#039;s like accusing someones neighbors of harassing them when they call them to inform them that they&#039;ve just spotted you attempting to burgle their house.

Finally, show asks what possible reason they would have for doing this.  Maybe to warn them that were being stalked by a psychotic child-murder?

I used to wonder if Meryl Dorey was simply ignorant and misguided.  She is clearly evil incarnate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very hard to post this without swearing:</p>
<p>&#8220;I [Meryl Dorey] have been accused of harassing this grieving family by making this call. It is my assertion however that the official from the NCAHS has not only committed a serious breach of confidentiality by informing a third party that I had contacted him; he in fact, has harassed the McCafferys by calling a grieving family to tell them that I had asked for confirmation of Dana’s diagnosis. What possible reason could he have had for taking this action?&#8221;</p>
<p>First, she claims some right of medical privacy to protect her from revealing that she was attempting to violate someone else&#8217;s medical privacy.  The arrogance of this is overwhelming.</p>
<p>She accuses the people she attempted to suborn of harassment for revealing that she did so to the people whose privacy she was invading.  That&#8217;s like accusing someones neighbors of harassing them when they call them to inform them that they&#8217;ve just spotted you attempting to burgle their house.</p>
<p>Finally, show asks what possible reason they would have for doing this.  Maybe to warn them that were being stalked by a psychotic child-murder?</p>
<p>I used to wonder if Meryl Dorey was simply ignorant and misguided.  She is clearly evil incarnate.</p>
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		<title>By: Antivaxxers take note: vaccines stop polio outbreak in Tajikistan &#124; Bad Astronomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antivaxxers take note: vaccines stop polio outbreak in Tajikistan &#124; Bad Astronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 04:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the AVN in Australia getting hammered repeatedly in the press, I can now have some hope that the movement here in the United States, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a little more news about the AVN from the SMH...
http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html?skin=text-only</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little more news about the AVN from the SMH&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html?skin=text-only" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html?skin=text-only</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom @31:

As for why these people persist even after they&#039;ve been proven wrong, try googling &quot;cognitive dissonance&quot;; or, better yet, read &lt;a href=&quot;http://mistakesweremadebutnotbyme.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mistakes Were Made (but not by &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/a&gt;. In fact, everyone should do the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom @31:</p>
<p>As for why these people persist even after they&#8217;ve been proven wrong, try googling &#8220;cognitive dissonance&#8221;; or, better yet, read <a href="http://mistakesweremadebutnotbyme.com/" rel="nofollow">Mistakes Were Made (but not by <i>me</i>)</a>. In fact, everyone should do the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33 Katharine.  How about, &quot;Vaccinate.  This prick will protect you against those pricks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33 Katharine.  How about, &#8220;Vaccinate.  This prick will protect you against those pricks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stonez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stonez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AVN are despicable in a comletely non-comic way.  I wish there was an immunization against stupid!

/cue Phil&#039;s  stupid pic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AVN are despicable in a comletely non-comic way.  I wish there was an immunization against stupid!</p>
<p>/cue Phil&#8217;s  stupid pic!</p>
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		<title>By: The Mutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t take this as a threat, because this is just my internet outrage talking, but if my baby had died in agony and Dorey treated my family like this, she would be having a Sopranos style meeting with an aluminum baseball bat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t take this as a threat, because this is just my internet outrage talking, but if my baby had died in agony and Dorey treated my family like this, she would be having a Sopranos style meeting with an aluminum baseball bat.</p>
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		<title>By: ND</title>
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		<dc:creator>ND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you all have it wrong. Dorey should be given booster shots for any vaccine she has taken and new ones for one she hasn&#039;t. It&#039;s only wrong in the eyes of anti-vax people (no not talking about Unix-heads).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you all have it wrong. Dorey should be given booster shots for any vaccine she has taken and new ones for one she hasn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s only wrong in the eyes of anti-vax people (no not talking about Unix-heads).</p>
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		<title>By: bulletproofcourier</title>
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		<dc:creator>bulletproofcourier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s shoot Dorey into space, she would enjoy the anti-gravity.</description>
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		<title>By: jcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/99889744.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surrey skeptics shame astrologers&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/99889744.html" rel="nofollow">Surrey skeptics shame astrologers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Muzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the more subtle but telling impacts this whole affair is having  is that the media consistently refer to them as &quot;Anti- Vaccination group...&quot; now.  There&#039;s no tiptoeing around their scarcely veiled agenda any more.  
(As it should be too.  It often said that if you scratch an anti-vaxxer on the scalp you&#039;ll probably hit tinfoil.  But it&#039;s hard to tell with some of the more prominent US names.  In the case of the AVN, however, it&#039;s plain as day.  Arch cranks through and through.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the more subtle but telling impacts this whole affair is having  is that the media consistently refer to them as &#8220;Anti- Vaccination group&#8230;&#8221; now.  There&#8217;s no tiptoeing around their scarcely veiled agenda any more.<br />
(As it should be too.  It often said that if you scratch an anti-vaxxer on the scalp you&#8217;ll probably hit tinfoil.  But it&#8217;s hard to tell with some of the more prominent US names.  In the case of the AVN, however, it&#8217;s plain as day.  Arch cranks through and through.)</p>
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		<title>By: Zucchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zucchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  I don&#039;t want anybody to do anything violent to Dorey.  What I want is for public health watchdogs to crack down on purveyors of dangerous lies.

And as noted, this issue doesn&#039;t seem to split along political lines.  It&#039;s really irritating that the Huffington Post, which has presented a lot of good liberal writing, has become a home for this crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  I don&#8217;t want anybody to do anything violent to Dorey.  What I want is for public health watchdogs to crack down on purveyors of dangerous lies.</p>
<p>And as noted, this issue doesn&#8217;t seem to split along political lines.  It&#8217;s really irritating that the Huffington Post, which has presented a lot of good liberal writing, has become a home for this crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31 @ Katharine this really isn&#039;t an issue delineated by political leanings. There are many liberal types who refuse vaccination, also. Some of the outbreaks of vaccine preventable disease in California were initiated by affluent, liberal thinking people not getting their kids vaccinated. The biggest enemy is fear and ignorance, not left or right politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31 @ Katharine this really isn&#8217;t an issue delineated by political leanings. There are many liberal types who refuse vaccination, also. Some of the outbreaks of vaccine preventable disease in California were initiated by affluent, liberal thinking people not getting their kids vaccinated. The biggest enemy is fear and ignorance, not left or right politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting the links to the two versions of the story. I can&#039;t imagine what the McCafferys are going through. I hope their pain leads to something positive happening both in Australia, and elsewhere. Thanks for posting this Phil. You and I don&#039;t always see eye to eye on other stuff, but you&#039;ve educated me greatly on this subject, and helped me in situations in my own family where mis-information was being spread. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting the links to the two versions of the story. I can&#8217;t imagine what the McCafferys are going through. I hope their pain leads to something positive happening both in Australia, and elsewhere. Thanks for posting this Phil. You and I don&#8217;t always see eye to eye on other stuff, but you&#8217;ve educated me greatly on this subject, and helped me in situations in my own family where mis-information was being spread. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ray

I think it&#039;s more the &quot;sticking needles in her eye and injecting smallpox&quot; type comments that BC was objecting to (correct me if I&#039;m wrong, BC).  While such feelings are understandable, considering how utterly despicable Dorey and her group are, comments like that are exactly the same kind of thing we often criticize them for.</description>
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<p>I think it&#8217;s more the &#8220;sticking needles in her eye and injecting smallpox&#8221; type comments that BC was objecting to (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, BC).  While such feelings are understandable, considering how utterly despicable Dorey and her group are, comments like that are exactly the same kind of thing we often criticize them for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TheBlackCat

Who is joking?  You kill my child and you better hope the police get to you before I do.  If the &quot;justice&quot; system won&#039;t hold these people responsible, who will?</description>
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<p>Who is joking?  You kill my child and you better hope the police get to you before I do.  If the &#8220;justice&#8221; system won&#8217;t hold these people responsible, who will?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TheBlackCat

Agreed.  That&#039;s the sort of thing that antivaxers engage in.  Let&#039;s not stoop to their level.</description>
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<p>Agreed.  That&#8217;s the sort of thing that antivaxers engage in.  Let&#8217;s not stoop to their level.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Dorey is a despicable excuse for a human being, but I am not liking the violent rhetoric I am seeing.  I do not think that is an appropriate response, even as a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Dorey is a despicable excuse for a human being, but I am not liking the violent rhetoric I am seeing.  I do not think that is an appropriate response, even as a joke.</p>
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