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	<title>Comments on: Are We Alone: Conservapedia relativity denialism</title>
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		<title>By: Shadowen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/18/are-we-alone-conservapedia-relativity-denialism/#comment-249914</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A late comment, but meh.

I think the main reason they oppose it is because it locks the speed of light as a universal constant, and if the speed of light is constant it&#039;s one way of proving the age of the universe.  The &quot;God could have created the universe with light already on its way 6000 years ago&quot; argument is easily countered with &quot;and He could have easily done it last Tuesday, or before you started reading this sentence&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A late comment, but meh.</p>
<p>I think the main reason they oppose it is because it locks the speed of light as a universal constant, and if the speed of light is constant it&#8217;s one way of proving the age of the universe.  The &#8220;God could have created the universe with light already on its way 6000 years ago&#8221; argument is easily countered with &#8220;and He could have easily done it last Tuesday, or before you started reading this sentence&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ND (87) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;What is it with electrical engineers?!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s the solder fumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ND (87) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>What is it with electrical engineers?!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s the solder fumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/18/are-we-alone-conservapedia-relativity-denialism/#comment-249912</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason (73) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;When I see conflict between science and what I see as the truth in my faith I take the position that science is giving the best explanation they can at the moment. I could go into a long treatise here, but there isn’t room to try and detail it out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is actually quite a simple question.

How do you define &quot;truth&quot;?

In science, something is understood to be true based on the coming-together of evidence and reasoned theory (i.e. if the theory is logically sound and is supported by a large body of data, and contradicted by either no or very little data, it is accepted as being true).

New evidence often leads to modification of a theory and occasionally requires that a previous theory be overturned in favour of a new one.  But this latter case only happens when a new theory is shown (by evidence) to be better than the previous one.  The motto of the Royal Society is &quot;take nobody&#039;s word for it&quot;.  IOW, accept as true only that which can be so demonstrated.

What is the &quot;truth&quot; in your faith?  Is it something you can share with someone through reasoned argument?  Is it based on a feeling of rightness?  Is it based on the teaching of someone you respect and trust?  Is it distinguishable from an hallucination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason (73) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>When I see conflict between science and what I see as the truth in my faith I take the position that science is giving the best explanation they can at the moment. I could go into a long treatise here, but there isn’t room to try and detail it out.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is actually quite a simple question.</p>
<p>How do you define &#8220;truth&#8221;?</p>
<p>In science, something is understood to be true based on the coming-together of evidence and reasoned theory (i.e. if the theory is logically sound and is supported by a large body of data, and contradicted by either no or very little data, it is accepted as being true).</p>
<p>New evidence often leads to modification of a theory and occasionally requires that a previous theory be overturned in favour of a new one.  But this latter case only happens when a new theory is shown (by evidence) to be better than the previous one.  The motto of the Royal Society is &#8220;take nobody&#8217;s word for it&#8221;.  IOW, accept as true only that which can be so demonstrated.</p>
<p>What is the &#8220;truth&#8221; in your faith?  Is it something you can share with someone through reasoned argument?  Is it based on a feeling of rightness?  Is it based on the teaching of someone you respect and trust?  Is it distinguishable from an hallucination?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/18/are-we-alone-conservapedia-relativity-denialism/#comment-249911</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan3man (61) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Here in the U.K., we still have (thankfully) those ‘traditional’ conservatives and liberals; they have formed the current Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government. Can you imagine that ever happening in the U.S.?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, but several satirists have already pointed out that it&#039;s a bit of an oxymoron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan3man (61) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Here in the U.K., we still have (thankfully) those ‘traditional’ conservatives and liberals; they have formed the current Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government. Can you imagine that ever happening in the U.S.?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, but several satirists have already pointed out that it&#8217;s a bit of an oxymoron.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/18/are-we-alone-conservapedia-relativity-denialism/#comment-249910</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OtherRob Says:
 Even I know that just because someone hasn’t found something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Sheesh.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So Bigfoot could be real!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OtherRob Says:<br />
 Even I know that just because someone hasn’t found something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Sheesh.</p></blockquote>
<p>So Bigfoot could be real!</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

When there is a groundswell of conservative protests against the liars like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I will be impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>When there is a groundswell of conservative protests against the liars like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I will be impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daffy

&lt;i&gt;I am sick to death of conservatives saying things like, “Oh, well THAT site doesn’t represent mainstream conservative thinking.” Yeah? Well then get out and start denouncing these idiots!&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah!  They should go onto popular blogs and denounce those sites rather than hanging out here on a popular blog and publicly saying those sites are wrong.

Wait, what?  I think you&#039;re criticizing someone for doing the very thing you want them to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daffy</p>
<p><i>I am sick to death of conservatives saying things like, “Oh, well THAT site doesn’t represent mainstream conservative thinking.” Yeah? Well then get out and start denouncing these idiots!</i></p>
<p>Yeah!  They should go onto popular blogs and denounce those sites rather than hanging out here on a popular blog and publicly saying those sites are wrong.</p>
<p>Wait, what?  I think you&#8217;re criticizing someone for doing the very thing you want them to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Jason, they do have that right. And the rest of us have the obligation to point out the stupid...politely as possible, but still point it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Jason, they do have that right. And the rest of us have the obligation to point out the stupid&#8230;politely as possible, but still point it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/18/are-we-alone-conservapedia-relativity-denialism/#comment-249906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@daffy (101)
I think I have done that if you will look at my posts. I have not read the full width and breadth of conservapedia, in fact that is the first time I have come across it that I remember and the stupid is incredible at times. .. On the other hand, People not only have a right to believe what they want, they have a right to spout whatever stupidity they want as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@daffy (101)<br />
I think I have done that if you will look at my posts. I have not read the full width and breadth of conservapedia, in fact that is the first time I have come across it that I remember and the stupid is incredible at times. .. On the other hand, People not only have a right to believe what they want, they have a right to spout whatever stupidity they want as well.</p>
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		<title>By: jfb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ad @22 and others:

There is no doubt in my mind that many of the articles at Conservp&#230;dia are spoofs; I think there&#039;s an unofficial competition to see who can write the most ridiculous article that will be accepted.

However, the founders and principals of the site (notably Andy Schlafley) are deadly serious.  They&#039;re so focused on combatting &quot;liberalism&quot;  (here defined as anything Andy Schlafley doesn&#039;t like) that they&#039;ll swallow just about &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; that reinforces their worldview, no matter how ridiculous it sounds to anyone who&#039;s sane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ad @22 and others:</p>
<p>There is no doubt in my mind that many of the articles at Conservp&aelig;dia are spoofs; I think there&#8217;s an unofficial competition to see who can write the most ridiculous article that will be accepted.</p>
<p>However, the founders and principals of the site (notably Andy Schlafley) are deadly serious.  They&#8217;re so focused on combatting &#8220;liberalism&#8221;  (here defined as anything Andy Schlafley doesn&#8217;t like) that they&#8217;ll swallow just about <em>anything</em> that reinforces their worldview, no matter how ridiculous it sounds to anyone who&#8217;s sane.</p>
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