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	<title>Comments on: Ancient ice, wet and dry, from deep inside a comet</title>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/11/15/ancient-ice-wet-and-dry-from-deep-inside-a-comet/comment-page-1/#comment-333708</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Zetetic : No worries. That&#039;s one of my fave sites &amp; resources AGW~wise - as you may have noticed! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Zetetic : No worries. That&#8217;s one of my fave sites &#038; resources AGW~wise &#8211; as you may have noticed! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zetetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zetetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Messier Tidy Upper # @31:
Thanks for the link to the video, yeah greeman3610 usually has some pretty good stuff.</description>
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Thanks for the link to the video, yeah greeman3610 usually has some pretty good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 28.   Richard Woods &amp; 25.   Regner Trampedach &amp; 16.   Zetetic :

Nice links &amp; rebuttals there to which I&#039;ll just add this one: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtD9aZYXAs&amp;p=029130BFDC78FA33 

The &lt;i&gt;&quot;Crock of the Week&quot;&lt;/i&gt; take on that role of water vapour line. :-) 

@29.   Buzz Parsec :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;MTU – “hot ice”? Stolen diamonds? Wasn’t this the MacGuffin in an Arthur Clarke short story long ago? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Possibly although I&#039;m not entirely sure. 

Might you be thinking of the diamonds from Jupiter&#039;s core which provided a motive and problem  / wonder or two in the third &lt;i&gt;Space Odyssey&lt;/i&gt; novel &lt;i&gt;2061&lt;/i&gt; perhaps? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2061:_Odyssey_Three 

Can&#039;t think of a particular Clarke short story involving hot ice tho&#039;. Course that doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t one I&#039;ve missed or forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 28.   Richard Woods &#038; 25.   Regner Trampedach &#038; 16.   Zetetic :</p>
<p>Nice links &#038; rebuttals there to which I&#8217;ll just add this one: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtD9aZYXAs&#038;p=029130BFDC78FA33" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtD9aZYXAs&#038;p=029130BFDC78FA33</a> </p>
<p>The <i>&#8220;Crock of the Week&#8221;</i> take on that role of water vapour line. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@29.   Buzz Parsec :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>MTU – “hot ice”? Stolen diamonds? Wasn’t this the MacGuffin in an Arthur Clarke short story long ago? </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Possibly although I&#8217;m not entirely sure. </p>
<p>Might you be thinking of the diamonds from Jupiter&#8217;s core which provided a motive and problem  / wonder or two in the third <i>Space Odyssey</i> novel <i>2061</i> perhaps? </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2061:_Odyssey_Three" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2061:_Odyssey_Three</a> </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t think of a particular Clarke short story involving hot ice tho&#8217;. Course that doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t one I&#8217;ve missed or forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carey #3: &quot;Man, at that scale, I’m pretty sure I can see Bruce Willis on there!&quot;

Well, if you looked at that hideouis movie carefully enough, you would have seen that every visual effect and the ridiculous set was absolutely nothing like the surface of a comet. You might also be amused to know that some gaffer&#039;s equipment in the form of a ladder and other sundries are visible in some shots. Which just goes to show how incompetent and trustworthy the film production was in depicting ANYTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carey #3: &#8220;Man, at that scale, I’m pretty sure I can see Bruce Willis on there!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if you looked at that hideouis movie carefully enough, you would have seen that every visual effect and the ridiculous set was absolutely nothing like the surface of a comet. You might also be amused to know that some gaffer&#8217;s equipment in the form of a ladder and other sundries are visible in some shots. Which just goes to show how incompetent and trustworthy the film production was in depicting ANYTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, went chasing down a URL and accidentally wiped my comet comment.  :-(

Trying to reconstruct...

MTU - &quot;hot ice&quot;?   Stolen diamonds?  Wasn&#039;t this the MacGuffin in an Arthur Clarke short story long ago?

Using the jets to deflect a comet headed for the Earth...  This has been seriously proposed.  I first heard of it many years ago, possibly in an article in Sky and Telescope or Astronomy.  (Someone may have recently written a book that mentions it.)  The idea is to control the direction and strength of the jets by coating parts of the comet&#039;s nucleus with either reflective material (e.g. aluminized mylar) to cool parts of it and shut down the jets and/or with absorptive material (e.g. powdered carbon or coal dust) to warm and enhance the jets.  By depositing this stuff in appropriate places, you could basically turn the comet into a rocket that pushes itself out of a collision path with the Earth.  It would probably take 5-10 years to build a spacecraft to do this and launch it to the comet, and it would probably take several months to a year to alter its trajectory sufficiently to make sure it doesn&#039;t hit the earth, so warning time is an issue.  (We usually only get a few months to a year of warning time of an approaching comet.  Hale-Bopp at 2 years was exceptional.)

I call this the &lt;a href=http://www.amazon.com/Paint-It-Black/dp/B0016CVICU rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Paint It, Black&quot; &lt;/a&gt; strategy.

Comets have long been known to have fairly unpredictable orbits, which were explained to be due to &lt;a href=http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1969AJ.....74..720M rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; nongravitational forces &lt;/a&gt; caused by the type of jets in these pictures.  They are strong enough to significantly alter the course of a comet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, went chasing down a URL and accidentally wiped my comet comment.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Trying to reconstruct&#8230;</p>
<p>MTU &#8211; &#8220;hot ice&#8221;?   Stolen diamonds?  Wasn&#8217;t this the MacGuffin in an Arthur Clarke short story long ago?</p>
<p>Using the jets to deflect a comet headed for the Earth&#8230;  This has been seriously proposed.  I first heard of it many years ago, possibly in an article in Sky and Telescope or Astronomy.  (Someone may have recently written a book that mentions it.)  The idea is to control the direction and strength of the jets by coating parts of the comet&#8217;s nucleus with either reflective material (e.g. aluminized mylar) to cool parts of it and shut down the jets and/or with absorptive material (e.g. powdered carbon or coal dust) to warm and enhance the jets.  By depositing this stuff in appropriate places, you could basically turn the comet into a rocket that pushes itself out of a collision path with the Earth.  It would probably take 5-10 years to build a spacecraft to do this and launch it to the comet, and it would probably take several months to a year to alter its trajectory sufficiently to make sure it doesn&#8217;t hit the earth, so warning time is an issue.  (We usually only get a few months to a year of warning time of an approaching comet.  Hale-Bopp at 2 years was exceptional.)</p>
<p>I call this the <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Paint-It-Black/dp/B0016CVICU rel="nofollow"> &#8220;Paint It, Black&#8221; </a> strategy.</p>
<p>Comets have long been known to have fairly unpredictable orbits, which were explained to be due to <a href=http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1969AJ.....74..720M rel="nofollow"> nongravitational forces </a> caused by the type of jets in these pictures.  They are strong enough to significantly alter the course of a comet.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7 Uncle Al

Before saying that others &quot;conveniently overlook&quot; something, it might be a good idea to proceed more humbly, to find out what you yourself have overlooked that they have not, or at least to _ask_ who&#039;s doing the overlooking instead of making a flat-out accusation.

In addition to what Zetetic @16  and Regner Trampedach @25 point out, see these explanations:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/simple.htm#L_M085

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/Radmath.htm#L_0162
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7 Uncle Al</p>
<p>Before saying that others &#8220;conveniently overlook&#8221; something, it might be a good idea to proceed more humbly, to find out what you yourself have overlooked that they have not, or at least to _ask_ who&#8217;s doing the overlooking instead of making a flat-out accusation.</p>
<p>In addition to what Zetetic @16  and Regner Trampedach @25 point out, see these explanations:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/simple.htm#L_M085" rel="nofollow">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/simple.htm#L_M085</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/Radmath.htm#L_0162" rel="nofollow">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/Radmath.htm#L_0162</a></p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@12.   Joseph G (AG in SC) :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Also, is it possible that some of these extremely carbonaceous low-density asteroids that we occasionally see are essentially old “empty” comets that have completely depleted themselves of gases?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

It sure is and I think there are a number of examples known such as : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3200_Phaethon 

an asteroid which was almost certainly a former comet and the source of the Geminid meteor shower : 

http://meteorshowersonline.com/geminids.html
See also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_comet for more. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@12.   Joseph G (AG in SC) :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Also, is it possible that some of these extremely carbonaceous low-density asteroids that we occasionally see are essentially old “empty” comets that have completely depleted themselves of gases?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>It sure is and I think there are a number of examples known such as : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3200_Phaethon" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3200_Phaethon</a> </p>
<p>an asteroid which was almost certainly a former comet and the source of the Geminid meteor shower : </p>
<p><a href="http://meteorshowersonline.com/geminids.html" rel="nofollow">http://meteorshowersonline.com/geminids.html</a><br />
See also : <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_comet" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_comet</a> for more. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18.Pete Jackson : Thanks. :-)

@13.   Joseph G (AG in SC) : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;@#1 Messier: What do you do where you have the opportunity to play with dry ice regularly? Color me envious&lt;/.i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No need to be envious, I don&#039;t get to see dry ice regularly nor do I use it at work. In fact, yesterday was the first time that I&#039;ve seen dry ice in years - a mate &lt;i&gt;(science teacher)&lt;/i&gt; had some left over that he brought along to a writers group I attend. Which was just a nice co-incidence given this thread&#039;s topic. :-) 

@ 8.   Jim Says: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Hmmm, water + carbon dioxide. OMG! Comets are made of club soda!!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Reminds me of the old theory that Venus was covered in an ocean of carbonated fizzy soda water before we discovered thereality. It was one of many possibilities considered incl. an oil planet fuill of petroleumand the stereotypical prehistoric jungle planet. Wonder if there are world like any of those old Cytherean &lt;i&gt;(alternate word for &#039;Venusian&#039;)&lt;/i&gt; theories out there somewhere?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18.Pete Jackson : Thanks. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@13.   Joseph G (AG in SC) : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>@#1 Messier: What do you do where you have the opportunity to play with dry ice regularly? Color me envious</i></p></blockquote>
<p>No need to be envious, I don&#8217;t get to see dry ice regularly nor do I use it at work. In fact, yesterday was the first time that I&#8217;ve seen dry ice in years &#8211; a mate <i>(science teacher)</i> had some left over that he brought along to a writers group I attend. Which was just a nice co-incidence given this thread&#8217;s topic. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@ 8.   Jim Says: </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Hmmm, water + carbon dioxide. OMG! Comets are made of club soda!!</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Reminds me of the old theory that Venus was covered in an ocean of carbonated fizzy soda water before we discovered thereality. It was one of many possibilities considered incl. an oil planet fuill of petroleumand the stereotypical prehistoric jungle planet. Wonder if there are world like any of those old Cytherean <i>(alternate word for &#8216;Venusian&#8217;)</i> theories out there somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Regner Trampedach</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks BA for yet another good post. EPOXI has done well. A great thanks goes to the team of what is formerly known as Deep Impact.
Uncle Al @ 7: You have a very good point about the difference between optical thick or optical thin spectral features. Just for your info, however, CO2 in the Earth&#039;s atmosphere only has 3 optical thick features: about 4.1-4.5micrometers, 4.8-4.9micrometers and 13-17micrometers,
with 5 optical thin absorption bands in between (I defined optical thin as tau &lt; 0.1). Ergo, there is plenty of linear absorption to wreck havoc with our climate! And they do occur in spectral regions with less H2O absorption. And even though the absorbed energy increases logarithmically with number of absorbers in the optical thick case, it still increases appreciatively. And it is of course included in climate models - so nothing changes in the conclusions. There are, after all, limits to how stupid climate scientists can be. That is still to be seen for AGW deniers... Please check your claims before you write them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks BA for yet another good post. EPOXI has done well. A great thanks goes to the team of what is formerly known as Deep Impact.<br />
Uncle Al @ 7: You have a very good point about the difference between optical thick or optical thin spectral features. Just for your info, however, CO2 in the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere only has 3 optical thick features: about 4.1-4.5micrometers, 4.8-4.9micrometers and 13-17micrometers,<br />
with 5 optical thin absorption bands in between (I defined optical thin as tau < 0.1). Ergo, there is plenty of linear absorption to wreck havoc with our climate! And they do occur in spectral regions with less H2O absorption. And even though the absorbed energy increases logarithmically with number of absorbers in the optical thick case, it still increases appreciatively. And it is of course included in climate models &#8211; so nothing changes in the conclusions. There are, after all, limits to how stupid climate scientists can be. That is still to be seen for AGW deniers&#8230; Please check your claims before you write them.<br />
         Have a good day,  Regner</p>
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		<title>By: psuedonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe somebody more familiar with EPOXI can tell me: all the images released so far are from the MRI, but the coverage during the approach seemed to imply the HRI was also running. Why have no HRI images been released? Are they simply sat behind the MRI images in the data buffer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe somebody more familiar with EPOXI can tell me: all the images released so far are from the MRI, but the coverage during the approach seemed to imply the HRI was also running. Why have no HRI images been released? Are they simply sat behind the MRI images in the data buffer?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G (AG in SC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G (AG in SC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#20 Jamey:  Wow, that DOES look like a scene from a movie.  You can even see the blue light on her face reflecting off the bluescreen.  
Oh, it&#039;s the ocean?  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#20 Jamey:  Wow, that DOES look like a scene from a movie.  You can even see the blue light on her face reflecting off the bluescreen.<br />
Oh, it&#8217;s the ocean?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G (AG in SC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G (AG in SC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#8 Jim: &lt;i&gt;Hmmm, water + carbon dioxide.
OMG! Comets are made of club soda!!&lt;/i&gt;

Well &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; explains the cleaning power:  
&lt;img src=&quot;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JBOMA0E3ecw/S9EMn_wd-SI/AAAAAAAAAnw/mMoDSHkadm8/s400/9.jpg&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#8 Jim: <i>Hmmm, water + carbon dioxide.<br />
OMG! Comets are made of club soda!!</i></p>
<p>Well <i>that</i> explains the cleaning power:<br />
<img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JBOMA0E3ecw/S9EMn_wd-SI/AAAAAAAAAnw/mMoDSHkadm8/s400/9.jpg"/></p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7:
Crappy denialist bot is crappy and denialist.

@9:
&quot;My crew of scientists&quot;
Oh, multiple personality disorder. My favorite. ;)

&quot;have enhanced the distribution photos for a peek at what is not being announced.&quot;
Because it does not exists anywhere outside of your head.

&quot;This discovery is huge! So why (if there is no conspiracy of silence) is there no word on the news? Isn’t anyone curious?&quot;
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Crappy denialist bot is crappy and denialist.</p>
<p>@9:<br />
&#8220;My crew of scientists&#8221;<br />
Oh, multiple personality disorder. My favorite. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;have enhanced the distribution photos for a peek at what is not being announced.&#8221;<br />
Because it does not exists anywhere outside of your head.</p>
<p>&#8220;This discovery is huge! So why (if there is no conspiracy of silence) is there no word on the news? Isn’t anyone curious?&#8221;<br />
Nah. Seen one crackpot, seen them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@15 Eddie:  I have to say today&#039;s APOD (11/15/2010) beats any picture I&#039;ve seen so far.  My first thought was &quot;Who&#039;s got a new SciFi novel coming out?&quot; and then it hit me - no, that&#039;s *REAL*.  She&#039;s in khakis and a pull-over, just relaxing, in orbit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@15 Eddie:  I have to say today&#8217;s APOD (11/15/2010) beats any picture I&#8217;ve seen so far.  My first thought was &#8220;Who&#8217;s got a new SciFi novel coming out?&#8221; and then it hit me &#8211; no, that&#8217;s *REAL*.  She&#8217;s in khakis and a pull-over, just relaxing, in orbit!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris points out (#4) that the spectral data may be misinterpreted to give the impression that more CO2 than water is being released.

However, that may also be a correct result. CO2 begins to volatilize at a temperature 80&#176;F lower that water&#039;s freezing point. I don&#039;t know what the temperature was on the portions of Hartley 2 that were outgassing during the flyby, but logically the CO2 would go first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris points out (#4) that the spectral data may be misinterpreted to give the impression that more CO2 than water is being released.</p>
<p>However, that may also be a correct result. CO2 begins to volatilize at a temperature 80&deg;F lower that water&#8217;s freezing point. I don&#8217;t know what the temperature was on the portions of Hartley 2 that were outgassing during the flyby, but logically the CO2 would go first.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2Messier, there apparently isn&#039;t enough maneuvering fuel to reach another comet or asteroid, but it&#039;s excellent telescopes could do some observations of stars. Perhaps a program could be developed to obtain instant parallaxes of stars by observing portions of the sky simultaneously with EPOXI and from the Earth, or low Earth orbit (Hubble?, ISS?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2Messier, there apparently isn&#8217;t enough maneuvering fuel to reach another comet or asteroid, but it&#8217;s excellent telescopes could do some observations of stars. Perhaps a program could be developed to obtain instant parallaxes of stars by observing portions of the sky simultaneously with EPOXI and from the Earth, or low Earth orbit (Hubble?, ISS?).</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, but ... the creationists have been saying that this comet is young!</description>
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		<title>By: Zetetic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Al@ #7:
I was expecting that some anti-AGW commenter would come on here to try and derail the thread at the mention of CO2.
Thanks for the laugh....

Just for the benefit of those still on the fence as to water versus CO2 in relation to Anthropogenic Global Warming. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas-basic.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas- Basic (The &quot;Intermediate&quot; tab option gives a more detailed explanation)&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
and
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticalscience.com/CO2-is-not-the-only-driver-of-climate-intermediate.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; CO2 is not the only driver of climate &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
As to the issue of cost...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-too-hard-advanced.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; Can we fix global warming? &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

For any further anti-AGW commenters I would  suggest reading the following list, to see if any any anti-AGW arguments you intend on using have already been debunked, before posting them. This will help to avoid looking like an anti-AGW spam bot.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; Skeptic Arguments and What the Science Says (List of already debunked arguments.)&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Thank you.

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Back to the subject of the thread... Very cool picture, in more ways than one!

An example of the seeds of Earth&#039;s early formation.
Deflecting such an object is possible, but it would require a lot of time and energy to do so.  A &quot;Gravity Tow&quot; is another option, but again requires a lot of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Al@ #7:<br />
I was expecting that some anti-AGW commenter would come on here to try and derail the thread at the mention of CO2.<br />
Thanks for the laugh&#8230;.</p>
<p>Just for the benefit of those still on the fence as to water versus CO2 in relation to Anthropogenic Global Warming.<br />
<a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas-basic.htm" rel="nofollow"><u><b> Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas- Basic (The &#8220;Intermediate&#8221; tab option gives a more detailed explanation)</b></u></a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/CO2-is-not-the-only-driver-of-climate-intermediate.htm" rel="nofollow"><u><b> CO2 is not the only driver of climate </b></u></a><br />
As to the issue of cost&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-too-hard-advanced.htm" rel="nofollow"><u><b> Can we fix global warming? </b></u></a></p>
<p>For any further anti-AGW commenters I would  suggest reading the following list, to see if any any anti-AGW arguments you intend on using have already been debunked, before posting them. This will help to avoid looking like an anti-AGW spam bot.<br />
<a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php" rel="nofollow"><u><b> Skeptic Arguments and What the Science Says (List of already debunked arguments.)</b></u></a></p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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Back to the subject of the thread&#8230; Very cool picture, in more ways than one!</p>
<p>An example of the seeds of Earth&#8217;s early formation.<br />
Deflecting such an object is possible, but it would require a lot of time and energy to do so.  A &#8220;Gravity Tow&#8221; is another option, but again requires a lot of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Janssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most impressive astronomical picture I have seen sofar. Even beats the Eagle Nebula pictures from 1994.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10.   Darokthar

That comet is WAY too massive to be significantly affected by a few hundred kg of Co2 and H2O boiling off the comet. Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the square of the exhaust plumes velocity. Comparing the kinetic energy of the boiling CO2 to the kinetic energy of the comet, it might affect the velocity of the comet by a few nanometers/sec, if that.(K.E.=1/2 MV^2).

Gary 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10.   Darokthar</p>
<p>That comet is WAY too massive to be significantly affected by a few hundred kg of Co2 and H2O boiling off the comet. Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the square of the exhaust plumes velocity. Comparing the kinetic energy of the boiling CO2 to the kinetic energy of the comet, it might affect the velocity of the comet by a few nanometers/sec, if that.(K.E.=1/2 MV^2).</p>
<p>Gary 7</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G (AG in SC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G (AG in SC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#1 Messier:  What do you do where you have the opportunity to play with dry ice regularly? 
Color me envious :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#1 Messier:  What do you do where you have the opportunity to play with dry ice regularly?<br />
Color me envious <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G (AG in SC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G (AG in SC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating stuff!  I remember reading science books from not all that long ago (eh, several decades) that had very little insight as to the true nature of comets.  They inferred that there was &quot;dust&quot; and &quot;ice&quot; involved, but that&#039;s about it.  It&#039;s really cool to see science advance right before your eyes!

Question: my understanding is that while comets vent those easily sublimated substances like CO2 and water, that they have a dark &quot;crust&quot; of complex organic molecules which are stable at much higher temperatures, and so never vaporize.  
Is this why comets often appear to have such weird shapes?  As the volatiles vaporize, does this cause the crust to collapse inward, like a toothpaste tube being slowly emptied?  
Also, is it possible that some of these extremely carbonaceous low-density asteroids that we occasionally see are essentially old &quot;empty&quot; comets that have completely depleted themselves of gases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating stuff!  I remember reading science books from not all that long ago (eh, several decades) that had very little insight as to the true nature of comets.  They inferred that there was &#8220;dust&#8221; and &#8220;ice&#8221; involved, but that&#8217;s about it.  It&#8217;s really cool to see science advance right before your eyes!</p>
<p>Question: my understanding is that while comets vent those easily sublimated substances like CO2 and water, that they have a dark &#8220;crust&#8221; of complex organic molecules which are stable at much higher temperatures, and so never vaporize.<br />
Is this why comets often appear to have such weird shapes?  As the volatiles vaporize, does this cause the crust to collapse inward, like a toothpaste tube being slowly emptied?<br />
Also, is it possible that some of these extremely carbonaceous low-density asteroids that we occasionally see are essentially old &#8220;empty&#8221; comets that have completely depleted themselves of gases?</p>
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		<title>By: The Beer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Al: I think you need to buy better spamming software....</description>
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		<title>By: Darokthar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darokthar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If comets are full of carbon dioxide couldn&#039;t melting it be used, to alter it&#039;s path? I guess it has a much lower warmth capacity than water and a lower boiling point.

My physics are quite bad, but how much energy would be needed to alter the pass by doing this? Could a few kilo of radioactive substances do the trick? Like a burned out heating element out of an nuclear reactor? (Ok getting that one into space isn&#039;t without a risk, but extinction is no option, too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If comets are full of carbon dioxide couldn&#8217;t melting it be used, to alter it&#8217;s path? I guess it has a much lower warmth capacity than water and a lower boiling point.</p>
<p>My physics are quite bad, but how much energy would be needed to alter the pass by doing this? Could a few kilo of radioactive substances do the trick? Like a burned out heating element out of an nuclear reactor? (Ok getting that one into space isn&#8217;t without a risk, but extinction is no option, too.)</p>
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		<title>By: wayworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My crew of scientists have enhanced the distribution photos for a peek at what is not being announced. This discovery is huge! So why (if there is no conspiracy of silence) is there no word on the news? Isn&#039;t anyone curious?

Now you know the truth, pass it along (in your own special way) to save humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxF48Z4tWI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My crew of scientists have enhanced the distribution photos for a peek at what is not being announced. This discovery is huge! So why (if there is no conspiracy of silence) is there no word on the news? Isn&#8217;t anyone curious?</p>
<p>Now you know the truth, pass it along (in your own special way) to save humanity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxF48Z4tWI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxF48Z4tWI</a></p>
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