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		<title>By: vrk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272730</link>
		<dc:creator>vrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there are two words in Finnish that are translated as &quot;day&quot; in English: päivä and vuorokausi. The former can mean either the daytime day (see below) or the full 24 hour day, and the latter always means the full 24 hour day. So, vuorokausi corresponds to nychthemeron, even if it is always translated (ambiguously) as &quot;day&quot;. Both words are in common use, unlike in English, but probably similar to Greece as commenter #43 pointed out.

About daytime day... I was about to say päivä is the hours most people are awake, but that discriminates against shift workers. Then I thought about saying it&#039;s the hours during which you have daylight, but that discriminates against North Finland beyond the Arctic Circle, where you have several days or weeks with no sunrise in winter. It&#039;s generally understood as both, even by shiftworkers and the Sami.

(Yes, my comment is a bit late with respect to the original publishing date. I found this blog entry through a link in 9 Nov, 2011 entry about Carl Sagan&#039;s birthday.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there are two words in Finnish that are translated as &#8220;day&#8221; in English: päivä and vuorokausi. The former can mean either the daytime day (see below) or the full 24 hour day, and the latter always means the full 24 hour day. So, vuorokausi corresponds to nychthemeron, even if it is always translated (ambiguously) as &#8220;day&#8221;. Both words are in common use, unlike in English, but probably similar to Greece as commenter #43 pointed out.</p>
<p>About daytime day&#8230; I was about to say päivä is the hours most people are awake, but that discriminates against shift workers. Then I thought about saying it&#8217;s the hours during which you have daylight, but that discriminates against North Finland beyond the Arctic Circle, where you have several days or weeks with no sunrise in winter. It&#8217;s generally understood as both, even by shiftworkers and the Sami.</p>
<p>(Yes, my comment is a bit late with respect to the original publishing date. I found this blog entry through a link in 9 Nov, 2011 entry about Carl Sagan&#8217;s birthday.)</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 02:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awesome post!  Thanks for re-posting it - there&#039;s no way I would have seen it otherwise.

I&#039;ve been learning about this in my astronomy course but didn&#039;t really get it until I read this. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an awesome post!  Thanks for re-posting it &#8211; there&#8217;s no way I would have seen it otherwise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been learning about this in my astronomy course but didn&#8217;t really get it until I read this. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272728</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@56.mike burkhart :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Intresting note :In the 1800s the devations in Mercurys orbit were thought to be caused by the gravational pull of a planet closer to the sun then Mercury.One Astronomer claimed to have discoverd it and named it Vulcan (no not Mr Spocks homeplanet) other Astronomers could not confrim his discovery and soon the idea of planet Vulcan was abandon .But there are a few who still look for it, the last serious attemp was useing Skylabs telescope with negative results .One Astronomer has sugested there may be an Asteroid belt between Mercury and the Sun but no one has as yet found it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;One astronomer eh?&quot; Another astronomer who is pretty familiar here has also written about this topic too several times incl. quite recently - see :

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/03/inside-mercurys-orbit/

for more. ;-)

Wonder if he could kindly give us a progress update on the Vulcanoid search?  Please BA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@56.mike burkhart :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Intresting note :In the 1800s the devations in Mercurys orbit were thought to be caused by the gravational pull of a planet closer to the sun then Mercury.One Astronomer claimed to have discoverd it and named it Vulcan (no not Mr Spocks homeplanet) other Astronomers could not confrim his discovery and soon the idea of planet Vulcan was abandon .But there are a few who still look for it, the last serious attemp was useing Skylabs telescope with negative results .One Astronomer has sugested there may be an Asteroid belt between Mercury and the Sun but no one has as yet found it.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;One astronomer eh?&#8221; Another astronomer who is pretty familiar here has also written about this topic too several times incl. quite recently &#8211; see :</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/03/inside-mercurys-orbit/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/03/inside-mercurys-orbit/</a></p>
<p>for more. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Wonder if he could kindly give us a progress update on the Vulcanoid search?  Please BA?</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272727</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51.   Dionigi Says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;@Messier Tidy Upper (47) is it not ‘par ardua’ for difficulties ‘per aspera’ to aspire.
As in ‘Par ardua ad mona’ through troubles to the Isle of Man the motto of the Isle of Man TT races.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could be, I&#039;m just quoting it as I remember seeing it. Which was Isaac Asimov quoting it in one of his short stories written decades ago so, yeah, it may not be exactly right.

I&#039;d check the book again - fairly sure I got it right from there - but unfortunately all my books are packed into boxes and inaccessible for the next week or so. (Painting &amp; carpeting happening at my house presently.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51.   Dionigi Says:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>@Messier Tidy Upper (47) is it not ‘par ardua’ for difficulties ‘per aspera’ to aspire.<br />
As in ‘Par ardua ad mona’ through troubles to the Isle of Man the motto of the Isle of Man TT races.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Could be, I&#8217;m just quoting it as I remember seeing it. Which was Isaac Asimov quoting it in one of his short stories written decades ago so, yeah, it may not be exactly right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d check the book again &#8211; fairly sure I got it right from there &#8211; but unfortunately all my books are packed into boxes and inaccessible for the next week or so. (Painting &amp; carpeting happening at my house presently.)</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272726</link>
		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 05:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intresting note :In the 1800s the devations in Mercurys orbit were thought to be caused by the gravational pull of a planet closer to the sun then Mercury.One Astronomer claimed to have discoverd it and named it Vulcan (no not Mr Spocks homeplanet) other Astronomers could not confrim his discovery and soon the idea of planet Vulcan was abandon .But there are a few who still look for it, the last serious attemp was useing Skylabs telescope with negative results .One Astronomer has sugested there may be an Asteroid belt between Mercury and the Sun but no one has as yet found it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intresting note :In the 1800s the devations in Mercurys orbit were thought to be caused by the gravational pull of a planet closer to the sun then Mercury.One Astronomer claimed to have discoverd it and named it Vulcan (no not Mr Spocks homeplanet) other Astronomers could not confrim his discovery and soon the idea of planet Vulcan was abandon .But there are a few who still look for it, the last serious attemp was useing Skylabs telescope with negative results .One Astronomer has sugested there may be an Asteroid belt between Mercury and the Sun but no one has as yet found it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bit about &quot;without Mercury we wouldn&#039;t have cell phones&quot; is (I think) a reference to the unexpected rate of the orbital precession of Mercury (which was one of the first directly observable anomalies that showed Newtonian physics to be insufficient).  It was first observed way back in the 1850s, and was one of the first concrete observations that supported general relativity.
Without general relativity, communications satellites would go out of synch and gps would be completely inaccurate, so...  eh.  It&#039;s a pretty long and tortured road, but I suppose it&#039;s possible that at the very least, general relativity might have gained support more slowly if it weren&#039;t for Mercury.  So cell phones might have been delayed a few years.

By that line of reasoning, though, the moon is much more vital to modern science then Mercury, as Eddington&#039;s measurement of the bending of starlight by the Sun&#039;s gravity during a total eclipse in 1919 was what really put general relativity on solid evidential footing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bit about &#8220;without Mercury we wouldn&#8217;t have cell phones&#8221; is (I think) a reference to the unexpected rate of the orbital precession of Mercury (which was one of the first directly observable anomalies that showed Newtonian physics to be insufficient).  It was first observed way back in the 1850s, and was one of the first concrete observations that supported general relativity.<br />
Without general relativity, communications satellites would go out of synch and gps would be completely inaccurate, so&#8230;  eh.  It&#8217;s a pretty long and tortured road, but I suppose it&#8217;s possible that at the very least, general relativity might have gained support more slowly if it weren&#8217;t for Mercury.  So cell phones might have been delayed a few years.</p>
<p>By that line of reasoning, though, the moon is much more vital to modern science then Mercury, as Eddington&#8217;s measurement of the bending of starlight by the Sun&#8217;s gravity during a total eclipse in 1919 was what really put general relativity on solid evidential footing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272724</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The top keeps spinning, so this is all just a dream anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top keeps spinning, so this is all just a dream anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Foolishly Delicious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foolishly Delicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Mercury refers to the Mercury space missions?  I know they made many, many advances in that area of technology during the space race.  I certainly hope that is what he is referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Mercury refers to the Mercury space missions?  I know they made many, many advances in that area of technology during the space race.  I certainly hope that is what he is referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272722</link>
		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy new year!!!!!!! The Earths rotation is slowing down .Millons of years from now the sun will take centurys to cross the sky eventuly it will stop and one side of Earth will face the sun and one side will face away (like the moon one side faces Earth one side faces away) .I see Phil shares my intrest in ancient astronomacal insterments I have a armillery sphere ,witch was used to understand the movements of objects in the sky.All of these instrments were used to chart and mesure positions of objects.The invetion of the Telescope changed Astronomy forever now astronomers could get a close up view of objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy new year!!!!!!! The Earths rotation is slowing down .Millons of years from now the sun will take centurys to cross the sky eventuly it will stop and one side of Earth will face the sun and one side will face away (like the moon one side faces Earth one side faces away) .I see Phil shares my intrest in ancient astronomacal insterments I have a armillery sphere ,witch was used to understand the movements of objects in the sky.All of these instrments were used to chart and mesure positions of objects.The invetion of the Telescope changed Astronomy forever now astronomers could get a close up view of objects.</p>
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		<title>By: Dionigi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-again/#comment-272721</link>
		<dc:creator>Dionigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Messier Tidy Upper (47) is it not &#039;par ardua&#039; for difficulties &#039;per aspera&#039; to aspire.
As in &#039;Par ardua ad mona&#039; through troubles to the Isle of Man the motto of the Isle of Man TT races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Messier Tidy Upper (47) is it not &#8216;par ardua&#8217; for difficulties &#8216;per aspera&#8217; to aspire.<br />
As in &#8216;Par ardua ad mona&#8217; through troubles to the Isle of Man the motto of the Isle of Man TT races.</p>
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