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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Ras922</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ras922</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The star Betelgeuse, which is 600 light-years away, will already have exploded - and we&#039;ll soon be in for a spectacular, and perfectly safe, interstellar fireworks show. If it is going to go Super Nova, well, it already has...somewhere around 1411. We just can&#039;t see it yet. Funny how that works, huh  One thing about the Super Nova. It will rise in the sky at midnight on Sept 22, 2011. It will light up the Eastern sky as if it were dawn. And at dawn we are going to see 2 suns in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The star Betelgeuse, which is 600 light-years away, will already have exploded &#8211; and we&#8217;ll soon be in for a spectacular, and perfectly safe, interstellar fireworks show. If it is going to go Super Nova, well, it already has&#8230;somewhere around 1411. We just can&#8217;t see it yet. Funny how that works, huh  One thing about the Super Nova. It will rise in the sky at midnight on Sept 22, 2011. It will light up the Eastern sky as if it were dawn. And at dawn we are going to see 2 suns in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Underspot Bay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Underspot Bay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Phil!
Are you part of a conspiracy to hide 2012 (muahaha)? Just kidding! Haha!</description>
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Are you part of a conspiracy to hide 2012 (muahaha)? Just kidding! Haha!</p>
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		<title>By: Halia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Phil.
Of course,I have been frightened,by the &#039;world&#039;s new fobia&#039;,as   all current loose transcriptions of the doomsday in 2012,but now-with Betelgeuse in a main role.
Reading huge amount of that &#039;paraliterature&#039; it is very easy either to get depressed and finally crazy,or to start really thinking and gathering FACTS not MYTHS.
I am not an astronomer,only an artist,but as an artist-probably overfragiled about the fate of the world,so gathering the FACTS and separating MYTHS I have come to the conclusion,that at last I will start sleeping peacefully,thanks to such Great People,like You and Mr.Morrison from &#039;Ask an Astrobiologist&#039; site.
My main purpose of writing to You is to THANK YOU for this site and&#039; also Bad Astronomy&#039;,that explain everything in a right way to such usual and frightened person,like me.
I hope,my English is OK and You did not have any problems reading my reply.
I come from Poland-living in Denmark.
Thank You once again
-Halina-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Phil.<br />
Of course,I have been frightened,by the &#8216;world&#8217;s new fobia&#8217;,as   all current loose transcriptions of the doomsday in 2012,but now-with Betelgeuse in a main role.<br />
Reading huge amount of that &#8216;paraliterature&#8217; it is very easy either to get depressed and finally crazy,or to start really thinking and gathering FACTS not MYTHS.<br />
I am not an astronomer,only an artist,but as an artist-probably overfragiled about the fate of the world,so gathering the FACTS and separating MYTHS I have come to the conclusion,that at last I will start sleeping peacefully,thanks to such Great People,like You and Mr.Morrison from &#8216;Ask an Astrobiologist&#8217; site.<br />
My main purpose of writing to You is to THANK YOU for this site and&#8217; also Bad Astronomy&#8217;,that explain everything in a right way to such usual and frightened person,like me.<br />
I hope,my English is OK and You did not have any problems reading my reply.<br />
I come from Poland-living in Denmark.<br />
Thank You once again<br />
-Halina-</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63 Nigel:
So you&#039;re a fellow North-East man! Would you be interested in joining our society? See www dot cadas-astro dot org dot uk.
I suggest we continue this conversation privately. You can e-mail me through my web site - click on my name.
Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#63 Nigel:<br />
So you&#8217;re a fellow North-East man! Would you be interested in joining our society? See www dot cadas-astro dot org dot uk.<br />
I suggest we continue this conversation privately. You can e-mail me through my web site &#8211; click on my name.<br />
Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Neil Haggath (62) -

Ooh.  I drive past it on my way to work each day.</description>
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<p>Ooh.  I drive past it on my way to work each day.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/betelgeuse-followup/comment-page-2/#comment-354198</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 Nigel:
It certainly is! The Wynyard Observatory and Planetarium.</description>
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It certainly is! The Wynyard Observatory and Planetarium.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote needing no comment:

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&quot;Phil Plait, well known for his &lt;i&gt;Bad Astronomy&lt;/i&gt; blog, has also done a service to humanity by giving a ranked list of threats in his recent book &lt;i&gt;Death from the Skies!: These are the Ways the World Will End&lt;/i&gt;. He puts the odds of fatality per lifetime from a gamma ray burst at 1 in 14,000,000&#8212;20 times lower than an asteroid impact.&quot;
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&#8211; Chris Impey, &lt;i&gt;HOW IT ENDS: From You to the Universe&lt;/i&gt;, W. W. Norton, 2010, pp 179-180</description>
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&#8220;Phil Plait, well known for his <i>Bad Astronomy</i> blog, has also done a service to humanity by giving a ranked list of threats in his recent book <i>Death from the Skies!: These are the Ways the World Will End</i>. He puts the odds of fatality per lifetime from a gamma ray burst at 1 in 14,000,000&mdash;20 times lower than an asteroid impact.&#8221;
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<p>&ndash; Chris Impey, <i>HOW IT ENDS: From You to the Universe</i>, W. W. Norton, 2010, pp 179-180</p>
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		<title>By: Tod R. Lauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tod R. Lauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@59

Once a RSG starts carbon burning, the inner structural changes that lead to core collapse happen too quickly  for the rest of the star to adjust very much.  This defines a time scale of several thousand years over which the star more or less exhibits no gross changes before it goes SN.  You are correct that you would certainly not see any chemical changes.  At the same time, really massive evolved stars do appear to have large instabilities in their luminosities.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s well understood if any of these might be harbingers of the final collapse.

On the other hand, the neutrino emission really takes off during the final stages of nuclear burning, which is why it goes so fast from carbon burning on.  Neutrino production occurs under the extremely high temperatures required to burn carbon and heavier elements, but paradoxically the star freezes to death.  The neutrinos go straight out, contributing nothing to pressure support - the burning fuel is wasted.  If you were close enough, you might detect the rise in neutrino emission in the final year of the star&#039;s life - I believe that we&#039;re close enough with present technology to see this for Alpha Ori.  (Note that this emission is trivial compared to what comes out in the explosion itself.)

Some have asked if the explosion is dangerous to look at by eye.  The resolution of the eye is about 2 arcminutes, and it would take a long time for the Alpha Ori SN remnant to get to this size, by which time it would be vastly fainter.   The resolution of the eye would dilute the light enough to avoid damage.  Looking in a telescope would be a different matter if  1) the optics are fast and 2) the expanding photosphere is still hot when it&#039;s resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@59</p>
<p>Once a RSG starts carbon burning, the inner structural changes that lead to core collapse happen too quickly  for the rest of the star to adjust very much.  This defines a time scale of several thousand years over which the star more or less exhibits no gross changes before it goes SN.  You are correct that you would certainly not see any chemical changes.  At the same time, really massive evolved stars do appear to have large instabilities in their luminosities.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s well understood if any of these might be harbingers of the final collapse.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the neutrino emission really takes off during the final stages of nuclear burning, which is why it goes so fast from carbon burning on.  Neutrino production occurs under the extremely high temperatures required to burn carbon and heavier elements, but paradoxically the star freezes to death.  The neutrinos go straight out, contributing nothing to pressure support &#8211; the burning fuel is wasted.  If you were close enough, you might detect the rise in neutrino emission in the final year of the star&#8217;s life &#8211; I believe that we&#8217;re close enough with present technology to see this for Alpha Ori.  (Note that this emission is trivial compared to what comes out in the explosion itself.)</p>
<p>Some have asked if the explosion is dangerous to look at by eye.  The resolution of the eye is about 2 arcminutes, and it would take a long time for the Alpha Ori SN remnant to get to this size, by which time it would be vastly fainter.   The resolution of the eye would dilute the light enough to avoid damage.  Looking in a telescope would be a different matter if  1) the optics are fast and 2) the expanding photosphere is still hot when it&#8217;s resolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#46 Mel Anderson:  That&#039;s a very good question. 

Warning - pulling LOTS of stuff out of my bum, here.
I kinda doubt it, as based on what I&#039;ve read about massive stars, (even stars as large as our own sun), they aren&#039;t fully convective.  Stars that large are even less likely to have any significant gas transport, down where nickel is being fused, to the surface, where astronomers could get spectra of the fusion products.
There might be some way to get a ballpark figure by measuring the diameter and temperature of the star over time, but I&#039;m sure scientists would need lots more data from a lot of stars before they could establish any kind of fingerprint to look for.  And even then, it&#039;d be a ballpark figure in terms of decades at the least, I&#039;d bet.  It&#039;d help to have neutrino detectors near the star, but that&#039;s not really practical :) 
 
Even heat transport from the core of a star that large takes a significant time - so even if there was a sudden increase or decrease in temperature of the core, we might not be able to tell for years (decades? Centuries?).  
That is, until it blows up.  Then things happen quite fast  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#46 Mel Anderson:  That&#8217;s a very good question. </p>
<p>Warning &#8211; pulling LOTS of stuff out of my bum, here.<br />
I kinda doubt it, as based on what I&#8217;ve read about massive stars, (even stars as large as our own sun), they aren&#8217;t fully convective.  Stars that large are even less likely to have any significant gas transport, down where nickel is being fused, to the surface, where astronomers could get spectra of the fusion products.<br />
There might be some way to get a ballpark figure by measuring the diameter and temperature of the star over time, but I&#8217;m sure scientists would need lots more data from a lot of stars before they could establish any kind of fingerprint to look for.  And even then, it&#8217;d be a ballpark figure in terms of decades at the least, I&#8217;d bet.  It&#8217;d help to have neutrino detectors near the star, but that&#8217;s not really practical <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Even heat transport from the core of a star that large takes a significant time &#8211; so even if there was a sudden increase or decrease in temperature of the core, we might not be able to tell for years (decades? Centuries?).<br />
That is, until it blows up.  Then things happen quite fast  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@# 18 Thopter:  &lt;i&gt;I couldn’t believe it when I found a Time article online about Betelgeuse in which the author said “coincidentally, the Mayan calendar predicted Armageddon in 2012.” Journalistic standards really are slipping.&lt;/i&gt;

Lulz, seriously.  
Wow, the Mayans knew about Har Meggido in the future?  They traveled to the future where they read ancient Semitic texts referring to a prophesied battle there?  Incredible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@# 18 Thopter:  <i>I couldn’t believe it when I found a Time article online about Betelgeuse in which the author said “coincidentally, the Mayan calendar predicted Armageddon in 2012.” Journalistic standards really are slipping.</i></p>
<p>Lulz, seriously.<br />
Wow, the Mayans knew about Har Meggido in the future?  They traveled to the future where they read ancient Semitic texts referring to a prophesied battle there?  Incredible.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 Douglas Watts: &lt;i&gt;Congratulations Phil. In a weird way, your early blog jousting with Hoagland, McCanney et al. helped create the two key ingredients for you becoming a ‘go-to’ guy on a story like this: credibility and visibility. Both are essential. Reading the original ‘Cosmos’ book by Carl Sagan last night, I was reminded in his introduction that the entire PBS series was instigated by Sagan’s frustration that the US news media ignored the entire Viking mission to Mars. So Sagan got so pissed that he created Cosmos, the series. It took Sagan being royally pissed at the media for him to create a seminal event in public science media. In your own personal way, you are doing the same. And it is appreciated.&lt;/i&gt;

Reposted for truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 Douglas Watts: <i>Congratulations Phil. In a weird way, your early blog jousting with Hoagland, McCanney et al. helped create the two key ingredients for you becoming a ‘go-to’ guy on a story like this: credibility and visibility. Both are essential. Reading the original ‘Cosmos’ book by Carl Sagan last night, I was reminded in his introduction that the entire PBS series was instigated by Sagan’s frustration that the US news media ignored the entire Viking mission to Mars. So Sagan got so pissed that he created Cosmos, the series. It took Sagan being royally pissed at the media for him to create a seminal event in public science media. In your own personal way, you are doing the same. And it is appreciated.</i></p>
<p>Reposted for truth.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s disappointing that even the correct articles aren’t mentioning that even if the star exploded in 2012, we wouldn’t see it here for another 600 years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It would be incorrect for them to say that. Information moves at the speed of light, and the measurement of time is dependent on reference frame. That means that if you want to talk about &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt; an event happens in any meaningful way, you have to specify the reference frame for the &quot;when&quot;. And that means that for any given reference frame, the time that an event happens is the time &lt;i&gt;it is observed in that reference frame&lt;/i&gt;.

If we see the star explode in 2012, then here, in earth&#039;s reference frame, the explosion happens in 2012. In the exploding star&#039;s reference frame it occurs at a different time, but from that star&#039;s reference frame, the &quot;earth year 2012&quot; is a meaningless concept, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; because that star and our sun are continuously moving relative to one another, the &quot;lag&quot; between the event and our observation of it is a continuously changing variable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s disappointing that even the correct articles aren’t mentioning that even if the star exploded in 2012, we wouldn’t see it here for another 600 years.</p></blockquote>
<p>It would be incorrect for them to say that. Information moves at the speed of light, and the measurement of time is dependent on reference frame. That means that if you want to talk about <i>when</i> an event happens in any meaningful way, you have to specify the reference frame for the &#8220;when&#8221;. And that means that for any given reference frame, the time that an event happens is the time <i>it is observed in that reference frame</i>.</p>
<p>If we see the star explode in 2012, then here, in earth&#8217;s reference frame, the explosion happens in 2012. In the exploding star&#8217;s reference frame it occurs at a different time, but from that star&#8217;s reference frame, the &#8220;earth year 2012&#8243; is a meaningless concept, <i>and</i> because that star and our sun are continuously moving relative to one another, the &#8220;lag&#8221; between the event and our observation of it is a continuously changing variable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow, this strip came to my mind: http://abstrusegoose.com/321</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow, this strip came to my mind: <a href="http://abstrusegoose.com/321" rel="nofollow">http://abstrusegoose.com/321</a></p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even some more massive and /or older G type yellow dwarfs such as Alpha Centauri can outshine our Sun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And of course, our little G type Sun today is outshining our Sun yesterday. And tomorrow it will shine just a wee bit brighter than it shines today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even some more massive and /or older G type yellow dwarfs such as Alpha Centauri can outshine our Sun.</p></blockquote>
<p>And of course, our little G type Sun today is outshining our Sun yesterday. And tomorrow it will shine just a wee bit brighter than it shines today.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If trouble begins, all we have to do is repeat three times, &quot;Betelgeuse&quot;, and it will go away.</description>
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		<title>By: flip</title>
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		<dc:creator>flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken B, #51

Never seen the movie myself.

But it depends. The way I wrote &#039;news&#039; - and here it must be pointed out that it was arts news, not science - there was the regular harvest once a day, with a bare glance at the item to see if it was appropriate. Then the rest of the day was writing up actual items, but short ones, with a quick browse for background info; or feature items, which were researched over a couple of months.

I&#039;m not suggesting it&#039;s all automated: just pointing out that it&#039;s common practice to cast a net for other news items on other sites. Especially if those other sites happen to be sisters of your parent company. The more people that see your &#039;original&#039; content, the better, so it ends up appearing everywhere. Double the content for half the price. 

I will also add that this sort of thing I&#039;ve been employed to do, for pay, a number of times now. So it&#039;s certainly not replacing human input. Someone still needs to make sure editorial consistency is in place, even if it just means making sure news item A fits in with your target readership. 

The issue is that whilst Phil has a point to be upset at how quickly and easily myths get out of hand on the net, the blame should reside less with the journalist, and more with the parent company who places less emphasis on journalism and more on the bottom line. If I could have spent my days writing features instead of trawling harvested articles, I would. It&#039;s far more interesting, and far more rewarding. But it&#039;s not what I got paid for...

EDITED TO ADD: Although you&#039;d think the arts might not be so focused on journalistic standards as science writing would be, I do believe the organisation I worked for tried its best to live up to proper research and reporting. So I don&#039;t feel as though there should be a distinction made, at least based on my experience, because of arts vs science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken B, #51</p>
<p>Never seen the movie myself.</p>
<p>But it depends. The way I wrote &#8216;news&#8217; &#8211; and here it must be pointed out that it was arts news, not science &#8211; there was the regular harvest once a day, with a bare glance at the item to see if it was appropriate. Then the rest of the day was writing up actual items, but short ones, with a quick browse for background info; or feature items, which were researched over a couple of months.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting it&#8217;s all automated: just pointing out that it&#8217;s common practice to cast a net for other news items on other sites. Especially if those other sites happen to be sisters of your parent company. The more people that see your &#8216;original&#8217; content, the better, so it ends up appearing everywhere. Double the content for half the price. </p>
<p>I will also add that this sort of thing I&#8217;ve been employed to do, for pay, a number of times now. So it&#8217;s certainly not replacing human input. Someone still needs to make sure editorial consistency is in place, even if it just means making sure news item A fits in with your target readership. </p>
<p>The issue is that whilst Phil has a point to be upset at how quickly and easily myths get out of hand on the net, the blame should reside less with the journalist, and more with the parent company who places less emphasis on journalism and more on the bottom line. If I could have spent my days writing features instead of trawling harvested articles, I would. It&#8217;s far more interesting, and far more rewarding. But it&#8217;s not what I got paid for&#8230;</p>
<p>EDITED TO ADD: Although you&#8217;d think the arts might not be so focused on journalistic standards as science writing would be, I do believe the organisation I worked for tried its best to live up to proper research and reporting. So I don&#8217;t feel as though there should be a distinction made, at least based on my experience, because of arts vs science.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/betelgeuse-followup/comment-page-2/#comment-354140</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flip:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Writers and editors don’t have the time or money to investigate and write as much as they used to, so many of them ‘harvest’ news from other sites. It’s recycled news mainly because it’s easier and cheaper to scan and link to other news items than to write them yourself. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Perhaps &quot;Desk Set&quot; should be required viewing for such people?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050307/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flip:</p>
<blockquote><p>Writers and editors don’t have the time or money to investigate and write as much as they used to, so many of them ‘harvest’ news from other sites. It’s recycled news mainly because it’s easier and cheaper to scan and link to other news items than to write them yourself. </p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;Desk Set&#8221; should be required viewing for such people?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050307/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050307/</a></p>
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		<title>By: flip</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/betelgeuse-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-354138</link>
		<dc:creator>flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as someone who did online news writing for a bit: I&#039;m not surprised it went viral so quick. Writers and editors don&#039;t have the time or money to investigate and write as much as they used to, so many of them &#039;harvest&#039; news from other sites. It&#039;s recycled news mainly because it&#039;s easier and cheaper to scan and link to other news items than to write them yourself. (Especially when it&#039;s not scooped news, so much as media release rehashing or some online meme) To fact check something that is literally harvested by a bot is to severely misunderstand the ease at which harvesting news can be done and how little people take the time to read whether or not it&#039;s relevant and/or journalistic. If it&#039;s on another newspaper&#039;s site, it&#039;s assumed to be factually correct... Consider also that a lot of newspapers are run by the same companies... and you get repeated news all over the place.

I find it ironic that Fox, the parent company of News.com.au (the &#039;paper&#039; that started this), got it more right than the tabloid that originated the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as someone who did online news writing for a bit: I&#8217;m not surprised it went viral so quick. Writers and editors don&#8217;t have the time or money to investigate and write as much as they used to, so many of them &#8216;harvest&#8217; news from other sites. It&#8217;s recycled news mainly because it&#8217;s easier and cheaper to scan and link to other news items than to write them yourself. (Especially when it&#8217;s not scooped news, so much as media release rehashing or some online meme) To fact check something that is literally harvested by a bot is to severely misunderstand the ease at which harvesting news can be done and how little people take the time to read whether or not it&#8217;s relevant and/or journalistic. If it&#8217;s on another newspaper&#8217;s site, it&#8217;s assumed to be factually correct&#8230; Consider also that a lot of newspapers are run by the same companies&#8230; and you get repeated news all over the place.</p>
<p>I find it ironic that Fox, the parent company of News.com.au (the &#8216;paper&#8217; that started this), got it more right than the tabloid that originated the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking over next year&#039;s calendar when I accidentally spilled some coffee.  Then I noticed that the coffee stain on 22-Dec-2012 looked just like the virgin Mary!  It&#039;s a sign that the world won&#039;t end on the 21st!  The Mayans were wrong!

Wait a second...  It&#039;s not Mary, it&#039;s Jesus.  It&#039;s a sign that we&#039;ll all meet him then because the Earth is going to be destroyed on the 21st!  The Mayans were right!

Hold on, hold on...  Now it looks like Phil Plait.  WTF does that mean now?

I&#039;ll be right back... My toast is ready.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking over next year&#8217;s calendar when I accidentally spilled some coffee.  Then I noticed that the coffee stain on 22-Dec-2012 looked just like the virgin Mary!  It&#8217;s a sign that the world won&#8217;t end on the 21st!  The Mayans were wrong!</p>
<p>Wait a second&#8230;  It&#8217;s not Mary, it&#8217;s Jesus.  It&#8217;s a sign that we&#8217;ll all meet him then because the Earth is going to be destroyed on the 21st!  The Mayans were right!</p>
<p>Hold on, hold on&#8230;  Now it looks like Phil Plait.  WTF does that mean now?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be right back&#8230; My toast is ready.<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Neil Haggath (43) -
That&#039;s not the one near Winyard, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neil Haggath (43) -<br />
That&#8217;s not the one near Winyard, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/betelgeuse-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-354089</link>
		<dc:creator>Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be ecstatic if I got to see a nearby supernova in my lifetime. But the information presented by the mainstream media has been uniformly awful, and I&#039;m sick of people tying everything into this 2012 bull. (I&#039;ll admit I&#039;ve used the whole 2012 thing in certain supernatural/conspiracy games, but this is where it belongs: in the realm of fiction. I&#039;m far more concerned with the next Presidential election than the End Of All Things. ...then again, if somehow Sarah Palin were to be elected...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be ecstatic if I got to see a nearby supernova in my lifetime. But the information presented by the mainstream media has been uniformly awful, and I&#8217;m sick of people tying everything into this 2012 bull. (I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;ve used the whole 2012 thing in certain supernatural/conspiracy games, but this is where it belongs: in the realm of fiction. I&#8217;m far more concerned with the next Presidential election than the End Of All Things. &#8230;then again, if somehow Sarah Palin were to be elected&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Anderson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/betelgeuse-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-354087</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall correctly, once the silicon layer starts fusing into nickel, the star has only about 5 days to supernova (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_II_supernova). The previous reaction - oxygen to silicon - takes 0.3 years.  My question is this: is there any way of detecting oxygen or silicon from the spectrum to give an idea that a supernova is imminent?

It may well have gone nova already, and its light may be travelling towards us even now.

This all assumes a mass of &gt;10 solar masses, and therefore a Type II supernova, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s too contentious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall correctly, once the silicon layer starts fusing into nickel, the star has only about 5 days to supernova (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_II_supernova" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_II_supernova</a>). The previous reaction &#8211; oxygen to silicon &#8211; takes 0.3 years.  My question is this: is there any way of detecting oxygen or silicon from the spectrum to give an idea that a supernova is imminent?</p>
<p>It may well have gone nova already, and its light may be travelling towards us even now.</p>
<p>This all assumes a mass of &gt;10 solar masses, and therefore a Type II supernova, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s too contentious.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/betelgeuse-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-354074</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Monkey and anyone else who&#039;s interested.
Update on my previous comments:
Watched the entire morning newscast, and no mention of Betelgeuse, two suns, Star Wars, or 2012.

I&#039;m a bit pissed off that after they teased the story, and got me to watch the entire 2 hour morning newscast, they never mentioned it.
But at least they didn&#039;t report a bunch of lies and misinformation.

btw: this was channel 7, whdh, NBC in Boston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monkey and anyone else who&#8217;s interested.<br />
Update on my previous comments:<br />
Watched the entire morning newscast, and no mention of Betelgeuse, two suns, Star Wars, or 2012.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit pissed off that after they teased the story, and got me to watch the entire 2 hour morning newscast, they never mentioned it.<br />
But at least they didn&#8217;t report a bunch of lies and misinformation.</p>
<p>btw: this was channel 7, whdh, NBC in Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s disappointing that even the correct articles aren&#039;t mentioning that even if the star exploded in 2012, we wouldn&#039;t see it here for another 600 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s disappointing that even the correct articles aren&#8217;t mentioning that even if the star exploded in 2012, we wouldn&#8217;t see it here for another 600 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39 MTU:

&quot;Personally, the worst astronomy article I remember seeing was a newspaper one where they claimed “*astrologers* had discovered a new pulsars. Aaaarrrrrgggggghhhh!!!&quot;

In the UK, we get that sort of stupid mistake with monotonous regularity. Years ago, the local council in my home area built a public observatory, working closely with our local astronomical society. The opening ceremony was performed by Prof. Sir Arnold Wolfendale, who was then Astronomer Royal.
When the retards of our local paper reported this, they referred to our society as &quot;Cleveland and Darlington &lt;i&gt;Astrological&lt;/i&gt; Society, and Sir Arnold as &quot;the &lt;i&gt;Astrologer&lt;/i&gt; Royal&quot;!!!!!!!
Their phone never stopped ringing the next day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39 MTU:</p>
<p>&#8220;Personally, the worst astronomy article I remember seeing was a newspaper one where they claimed “*astrologers* had discovered a new pulsars. Aaaarrrrrgggggghhhh!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>In the UK, we get that sort of stupid mistake with monotonous regularity. Years ago, the local council in my home area built a public observatory, working closely with our local astronomical society. The opening ceremony was performed by Prof. Sir Arnold Wolfendale, who was then Astronomer Royal.<br />
When the retards of our local paper reported this, they referred to our society as &#8220;Cleveland and Darlington <i>Astrological</i> Society, and Sir Arnold as &#8220;the <i>Astrologer</i> Royal&#8221;!!!!!!!<br />
Their phone never stopped ringing the next day&#8230;</p>
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