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More images of exoplanet show it orbiting its star

Although well over 500 planets orbiting other stars are known to exist — and we know of many, many more awaiting confirmation — direct images of the planets are very rare. That’s because stars are billions of times brighter than planets, and the planets tend to huddle so closely to their star that their feeble light gets overwhelmed.

But it’s possible, and we have several images of such exoplanets. One of them is Beta Pictoris b, a super-Jupiter orbiting the star Beta Pic (as we in the know call it) about as far out as Saturn orbits the Sun. Its existence was confirmed in 2009, but it was also seen in earlier images in 2003 and 2008. The motion of the planet from one side of the star was obvious, and now observations from March 2010 again show it has moved as it orbits the star:

Pretty cool! These infrared images from the Very Large Telescope all have the starlight removed to show the faint planet (the faint rings and other blobs are optical effects and can be ignored). The upper left picture is from 2003; the upper right from 2009 with the planet’s position in 2003 labeled; and the bottom is the new image from 2010 with both previous positions marked. The orbit of Saturn (tilted to the same inclination as Beta Pic b) is shown for comparison. You can see the planet moved a wee bit between 2009 and 2010, just as predicted.

Besides helping nail down the planet’s orbit, the new observations allow astronomers to find that the mass of the planet is between 7 and 11 times that of Jupiter, and the temperature probably between 1100 and 1700°C (2000 to 3100° F). The star is more massive and hotter than the Sun, which is one reason why the planet can be so hot even that far out.

The other is that system is actually very young as well, being only about 12 million years old — compare that to our solar system, which is 4.6 billion years old! So the planet is still glowing with the leftover heat of its formation. In fact, the temperature measurements are critical, because scientists who study the way planets form predict how hot planets will be at different times in their life… and this planet is hotter than some computer models predict. Observations like this help theoretical astronomers figure out which models are correct, and which still need work.

But even aside from all that, this image is still pretty amazing. That planet is 630 trillion km (390 trillion miles) from Earth — that’s 630,000,000,000,000 kilometers! And there it is.

Think about that. In 1992 we didn’t even know if planets outside our solar system existed. Then we discovered some weird ones, and just three years later the first planet orbiting a sun-like star was found. And now, just 16 years later, we’ve directly seen more than a half dozen of them!

Incredible.

Image credit: M. Bonnefoy et al., published in Astronomy & Astrophysics, 2011, vol. 528, L15


Below is a gallery of all the exoplanets we’ve seen so far. I have several shots of Beta Pic b in there, so take a look at these and marvel at what we humans can do!

[Click the picture or use the slider to see the next image.]

In 1994, finding planets orbiting other sun-like stars was still something of a dream. Then, just a year later, the first one was found, opening a floodgate of discoveries.<br /><br />We know of nearly 500 other planets orbiting other stars. However, the methods of finding these <em>exoplanets</em> are indirect. We measure their effect on their parent stars, but we didn't directly see the planets themselves... until 2005, when the first image of an actual world orbiting another star was announced. <br /><br />As of October 2010, only 7 such planets have been imaged, but we'll soon have more. This gallery shows the best of these images, including the first alien solar system to have its picture taken. <br /><br />The picture above is an artist's drawing of <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/09/29/possible-earthlike-planet-found-in-the-goldilocks-zone-of-a-nearby-star/" target="_blank">the planet Gliese 581c</a>. Until recently, the only tool we had to see alien planets was our imagination. But that's changed... it'll be a <em>long</em> time before we get pictures as detailed as this, but in the meantime, we're still getting amazing images and learning a lot about these exotic worlds.<br /><br /><strong>Click the image to go to the next one in the gallery, or use the nifty index slider at the top of the post.</strong><br /><br /><em>Original Gliese 581 c blog post:</em> <em><a title="Permanent Link: Possible earthlike planet found in the Goldilocks zone of a nearby star!" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/09/29/possible-earthlike-planet-found-in-the-goldilocks-zone-of-a-nearby-star/" target="_blank">Possible earthlike planet found in the Goldilocks zone of a nearby star!</a></em><br /><em><br />Artwork credit: ESO</em>The planet LkCa 15b is probably only about 2 million years old, and is still forming from a disk of material surrounding its star. On the left is a far-infrared image of the disk, and on the right is a near-infrared picture showing the planet (blue) and material swirling around it (red). <br /><br />The planet is roughly six times the mass of Jupiter, and is glowing in the IR with the heat of its formation, still brewing at 500 - 1000 Kelvins. It orbits its star at distance of about 2.5 billion kilometers, inside the central gap in the larger disk, which is probably due to the planet having swept up material.<br /><br /><span style="color: #555555; font-family: 'normal Arial', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: 18px;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;"><em>Original blog post: <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/20/the-first-direct-image-of-a-baby-planet-being-born-maybebut-probably/" target="_blank">The first direct image of a baby planet being born! (maybe!)(but probably!)</a><br /></em></span></span></span><em><br />Artwork credit: Kraus and Ireland </em>There's no other way to put it: this is the historic first picture of a planet orbiting another star. <br /><br />The star in question is a <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bitesize/bd.html" target="_blank">brown dwarf</a> (what some people unfairly call a failed star) called 2MASSWJ1207334-3932 - or 2M1207 for short - located about 230 light years from Earth. This false-colored infrared image shows the star as blue, and the planet red.<br /><br />The planet, called 2M1207 b, has about 5 times the mass of Jupiter, and orbits the star over 8 billion km (5 billion miles) out, about twice the distance of Neptune from the Sun. <br /><br />The planet was first seen in 2004, but astronomers had to wait a year to confirm it really was a planet and not a background star or galaxy. Over time, as the star moved slightly in our sky, <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/04/29/first-exoplanet-imaged/" target="_blank">the planet moved with it</a>, confirming they were a pair. <br /><br />This picture is indeed historic, but left many people unsatisfied. Brown dwarfs are bigger than planets, but not really stars, either. And while 2M1207 b was definitely a planet, everybody was hoping to find a planet around a bona-fide star like the Sun. <br /><br />They didn't have to wait long...<br /><br /><em>Original blog post: <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/04/29/first-exoplanet-imaged/" target="_blank">First exoplanet imaged!</a></em><br /><br /><em>Credit: ESO</em><br /><em>[NOTE: There is some controversy over whether the planet seen in this image exists. <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/31/does-the-planet-fomalhaut-b-exist/" target="_blank">Read here for more</a>.]</em><br /><br />When this picture of the nearby bright star Fomalhaut was released by Hubble, I had to laugh. We got a picture of Sauron's eye!<br /><br />The star is actually not seen in this image; it's so bright the light from it was masked and subtracted away so that fainter objects could be seen. Amazingly, this bright ring of material popped right out of the picture; it's a vast circle of dust 36 billion km (21 billion miles) across. <br /><br />Hidden in that picture is the exoplanet Fomalhaut b. It looked like just another pixel of noise in the first 2004 image, but was seen to move a little bit in an image taken in 2006. It took two more years to confirm it, but then the announcement was made in 2008: the second extrasolar planet had been directly seen!<br /><br />It orbits Fomalhaut at a distance of 18 billion km (10.7 billion miles), but its mass is unknown, though estimated from to be about three times that of Jupiter (if it were any more massive, it would noticeably distort the ring). Amazingly, the star is about <strong>one billion</strong> times brighter than the planet, giving you an idea of how freaking hard these observations are. <br /><em><br />Original blog post:<a title="Permanent Link: HUGE EXOPLANET NEWS ITEMS: PICTURES!!!" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/13/huge-exoplanet-news-items-pictures/" target="_blank"> HUGE EXOPLANET NEWS ITEMS: PICTURES!!!</a></em><br /><br /><em>Credit: <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/">NASA</a>, <a href="http://www.spacetelescope.org/">ESA</a>, P. Kalas, J. Graham, E. Chiang, E. Kite (University of California,  Berkeley), M. Clampin (<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/">NASA</a> Goddard Space Flight Center), M. Fitzgerald (Lawrence  Livermore National Laboratory), and K. Stapelfeldt and J. Krist (<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/">NASA</a> Jet Propulsion  Laboratory)</em><em>[NOTE: There is some controversy over whether the planet seen in this image exists. <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/31/does-the-planet-fomalhaut-b-exist/" target="_blank">Read here for more</a>.]</em> <br /><br />The previous image shows the discovery of the planet Fomalhaut b, about 25 light years from Earth. <a href="http://astro.berkeley.edu/~kalas/images/Fomb_3panel.jpg" target="_blank">This image</a> shows better how they confirmed it was a planet: over the course of two years, the planet moved a tiny bit as it orbited its parent star. It takes over 870 years to circle the star once!<br /><br /><br /><em>Credit: <a href="http://astro.berkeley.edu/~kalas/images/Fomb_3panel.jpg" target="_blank">Paul Kalas</a>, U C Berkeley</em><br /><br /><br />The same day astronomers announced the discovery of Fomalhaut b seen in the previous two pictures, they had another surprise: <em>the first picture of an actual exoplanet solar system!</em><br /><br />They found not one but <strong>three</strong> planets orbiting the star HR 8799, a slightly hotter and more massive star than the Sun, located about 130 light years away. The star is about 60 million years old. The brilliant light from the star has been masked out to show the much fainter planets.<br /><br />The planets, labeled b, c, and d, are about 7, 10, and 10 times the mass of Jupiter, respectively, and orbit their star at 68, 38, and 24 times the distance of the Earth from the Sun. <br /><br />HR 8799 b is clearly a planet, but the other two have masses uncertain enough that they might barely qualify as brown dwarfs. However, models of the system show that if the planets really <em>are</em> more massive, their mutual gravity would destabilize the system. It's likely then they are closer to the lighter end, making them planets as well.<br /><br />This picture qualifies as another first as well: the first one taken <em>from the ground</em> of planets around a sun-like star. The first exoplanet was seen orbiting a brown dwarf, and the Fomalhaut pictures were taken from space, using Hubble. What this picture meant is that it was possible to take high-contrast, high-resolution images using ground-based observatories, which are far easier to manage and are far easier and cheaper to build than space observatories. It promised to usher in a new age of planetary detection.<br /><br /><em>Original blog post:<a title="Permanent Link: HUGE EXOPLANET NEWS ITEMS: PICTURES!!!" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/13/huge-exoplanet-news-items-pictures/" target="_blank"> HUGE EXOPLANET NEWS ITEMS: PICTURES!!!</a></em><br /><br /><em>Credit: Gemini Observatory</em>The first exoplanetary family system gets a new addition! In 2010, astronomers announced that they had discovered a fourth planet orbiting the star HR 8799. Called HR 8799 e, it's closer in than the previously-known three planets, orbiting the star at a distance of about 2.2 billion km (1.3 billion miles) - roughly the same distant of Uranus from the Sun.<br /><br />The planet has a mass of about 7 times that of Jupiter, though that's an estimate; it depends on the age! The planet is still glowing with the leftover heat of its formation, and the brightness depends on both its mass and its age. Since the age isn't exactly known, the mass can only be estimated. <br /><br />Interestingly, the authors of <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.4918" target="_blank">the discovery paper</a> note that current planet formation computer models can't make planets like this at the distance of HR 8799 e from its parent star. Either the models are wrong, or the planet formed farther out from the star and moved inwards; the latter is something that is fairly certain to happen when planets are young.<br /><br />Either way, this new discovery adds excitement to the new field of exoplanet hunting, as well as those who are scratching their heads trying to figure out how these planets form.<p>Four planets were found orbiting the star HR 8799 in 2008. However, observations of the star taken in <em>1998</em> were found to have three of those planets in them, hidden by the glare of the star! Improved techniques in software and analysis revealed the planets, buried in the star's glare.<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/06/exoplanets-seen-by-hubble-in-1998-finally-revealed/"><br /></a><span style="color: #000000;"><em>Original blo</em></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><em>g post: <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/06/exoplanets-seen-by-hubble-in-1998-finally-revealed/" target="_blank">Exoplanets seen by Hubble in 1998 finally revealed</a><br /><br /></em></span></span>Image credit: <span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">NASA, ESA, and R. Soummer (STScI)</span></p>Detecting exoplanets is hard enough. Getting a spectrum from one is, quite literally, adding a new dimension of difficulty.<br /><br />A spectrum is simply the mapping out of the colors of light, spreading out the light from an object into its component colors. Right away, you can see why doing this with faint objects is hard. You're taking the light that would normally be concentrated into a small circle a few pixels across and then spreading it out over a line that might be hundreds or thousands of pixels long! That takes a faint object and makes it hundreds of times fainter.<br /><br />Worse, when you're taking an exoplanet's spectrum, it's also sitting very close to a star that might be millions of times brighter, which totally swamps the exoplanet signal. I spent quite a bit of time years ago doing this exact thing, and it nearly drove me nuts. Nearly.<br /><br />But some other astronomers were more successful than me: <a href="http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1002/" target="_blank">they were able</a> to tease out the spectrum of HR 8799 c in the infrared, obtaining a direct spectrum of an exoplanet for the first time. In fact, their data were good enough <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1001.2017" target="_blank">to show</a> that models of how exoplanetary atmospheres absorb and reflect their star's light must be modified!<br /><br />In this picture, the star HR 8799 is shown on the left, with the position of the planet circled. The picture on the right shows the blaring spectrum of the star, some reflections called "ghosts", and the extremely faint spectrum of the planet. It really shows you just how tough this observation was.<br /><br />
<p><em>Credit: ESO/M. Janson</em></p>
<br /><br /><br />In September 2008, <a href="http://www.gemini.edu/sunstarplanet" target="_blank">astronomers announced</a> the confirmation of yet another exoplanet, this one orbiting the star 1RXS J160929.1-210524, an orange dwarf about 500 light years from Earth. <br /><br />It was touted as the first direct image of an exoplanet orbiting a sun-like star, but that's not really the case. The system of planets around HR 8799 shown in the previous image was first observed in October 2007, and the confirmation came in July 2008. This planet, called 1RXS 1609 b, was seen in images taken in April 2008 but not announced until September.<br /><br />In the exoplanet hunting game, weeks count! And the order of observations may not match the confirmation and announcements. Now imagine if planets are eventually detected in images taken earlier than any of these. How confusing would that be?<br /><br />Either way, record or not, this is an interesting case. The large distance of the planet from its star - <strong>50 billion km</strong> (30 billion miles) - is far more than any other planet discovered. It's a struggle to understand how such a planet could have formed that far out. Perhaps it formed closer in and got tossed out by another massive planet orbiting nearby. Perhaps it formed more like a brown dwarf, collapsing from the material from which the star itself formed (planets usually form from disks of material closer in, slowly gaining mass through collisions). That seems unlikely though; that process should make objects more massive than this planet (which has about 8 times the mass of Jupiter).<br /><br />We're still new at this, and observations are scarse. As we get better, we'll learn more... and solve some of the pervasive mysteries about how planets form and how they age.<br /><br /><em>Original blog post:</em><em></em><a title="Permanent Link: Another direct picture of a planet orbiting an alien star confirmed!" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/30/another-direct-picture-of-a-planet-orbiting-an-alien-star-confirmed/" target="_blank"><em> Another direct picture of a planet orbiting an alien star confirmed!</em></a><em><br /><br />Credit: Gemini Observatory</em><br /><br />When astronomers released this image in November 2008, it wasn't clear if the labeled object was a planet or not. A year later, observations were taken that confirmed it... but that's for the next gallery picture.<br /><br />In this infrared image - taken in 2003, by the way, making it the oldest image known to have an exoplanet in it - the star Beta Pictoris has its light masked out, revealing the planet Beta Pic b, as well as a ring of dust seen edge on (a bit like Saturn's rings). The disk was first discovered in the 1980s, and as imaging got better, the disk was seen to have several features making it look like something closer in to the star was disrupting it.<br /><br />That "something" turned out to be the planet. Of all the directly imaged exoplanets, it's the closest to its star; it's about the same distance from Beta Pic as Saturn is from the Sun. The planet probably has a mass about 9 times that of Jupiter, and orbits the star once every 15 years or so. <br /><br />Two more interesting points: Beta Pic is only about 12 million years old. This means planets form extremely quickly after their star does! Also, back in November 1981 the light from the star mysteriously dipped for about a day. It's been suggested that the planet passed directly between us and the star, blocking a bit of its light! If that's the case, then  astronomers can use all kinds of techniques to nail down the size of the planet and its distance from the star. <br /><br />Beta Pic will probably be the most heavily observed of all the planet-bearing stars we know. We have an excellent chance here to learn a whole lot about exoplanets, and all we have to do is catch it at the right time!<br /><br /><em>Original blog post</em>: <em><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/21/another-exoplanet-imaged/" target="_blank">Another exoplanet imaged!</a></em><br /><br /><em>Credit: ESO</em>The planet Beta Pictoris b was discovered in November 2008, but as mentioned in the last picture, it wasn't confirmed until the next year. Then, in 2010, <a href="http://www.eso.org/public/archives/images/screen/eso1024c.jpg" target="_blank">this extraordinary image</a> was released. Composed of two separate pictures taken in 2003 and 2009, it shows the planet first on one side of the star (left), then on the other (right)! For the first time, an exoplanet was seen to move to the other side of its parent star.<br /><br />That may not seem terribly important, but it is. For one thing, it helps nail down the orbital size and period of the planet. Also, in 2008 the planet wasn't seen at all; it was most likely behind or too close to the star to be seen. Again, that helps determine the orbit of the planet.<br /><br />As mentioned in the previous entry, it's possible that the planet will transit the star. If it does, then we'll know the orbit even better, allowing things like the mass of the star to be better determined, as well as other orbital characteristics of the planet.<br /><br /><em>Original blog post</em>: <em><a title="Permanent Link: Astronomers see exoplanet orbiting its parent star!" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/astronomers-see-exoplanet-orbiting-its-parent-star/" target="_blank">Astronomers see exoplanet orbiting its parent star!</a></em><br /><br /><em>Credit: <a href="http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1024/" target="_blank">ESO</a></em><br />Here is another picture of Beta Pic b, this time taken using a new technique that better blocks the light from the parent star. When stars are observed with telescopes, the wave nature of light spreads the image out a little bit into a bright core and a more diffuse halo. This new sophisticated method takes some of the light from the core and uses it to cancel out the light from the halo, allowing fainter nearby objects - like, say, planets - to be seen.<br /><br />This technique, once set up correctly, is actually not terribly hard to adapt to other telescopes. This means that new planets may be found far more rapidly than before. Direct imaging, once the most difficult of planet-finding methods, may become the most prolific!<br /><br /><em>Original blog post</em>: <em><a title="Permanent Link to Get ready to see lots more exoplanet images soon" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/10/17/get-ready-to-see-lots-more-exoplanet-images-soon/" target="_blank">Get ready to see lots more exoplanet images soon</a></em><br /><br /><em>Credit: ESO</em>New observations of Beta Pic b taken in 2010 show it has moved even more in its path around its star. The top two images show its position in 2003 and 2009, and the bottom the new position in 2010. <br /><br />This new infrared observation, taken with the Very Large Telescope, also indicate the planet has a mass of 7 - 11 times that of Jupiter, and is in the temperature range of 1100 - 1700 degrees Celsius.<br /><br />Original blog post: <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/03/more-images-of-exoplanet-show-it-orbiting-its-star/" target="_blank">More images of exoplanet show it orbiting its star</a><br /><br /><a title="Permanent Link to More images of exoplanet show it orbiting its star" href="../badastronomy/2011/03/03/more-images-of-exoplanet-show-it-orbiting-its-star/"></a> <em>Artwork credit: M. Bonnefoy et al., published in Astronomy &amp;amp; Astrophysics, 2011, vol. 528, L15</em>Where do we go from here?<em><br /><br /></em>Direct imaging of exoplanets is perhaps the newest field in all of astronomy. Ten years ago it didn't exist, and was something of a dream. Now we have images of seven tiny dots, seven blips of light indicating the presence of mighty planets. <em><br /><br /></em>And with the advent of spectroscopy, we'll learn even more: how hot they are, and what they have in their atmospheres. Eventually, with new technology, new telescopes on space, we'll be able to split their light ever finer, and who knows? Maybe, one day not too long from now, we'll see the tell-tale sign of molecular oxygen... the only way we know of to have molecular oxygen in an atmosphere over long periods of time is through biological activity. If we ever see it... that, my friends, will be quite a day indeed. <br /><br />I think that is ultimately our goal. We're looking for planets now, but what we're really looking for is life, or at least planets capable of supporting it. That day may be a long way off, but in my opinion it's a day that will, eventually, come.<br /><em><br /><br />Artwork of HR 8799 b credit: NASA, ESA, and G. Bacon (STScI). Larger versions available on <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1320.html" target="_blank">the NASA Images website</a>.</em>


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March 3rd, 2011 12:34 PM Tags: Beta Pictoris, exoplanets, VLT
by Phil Plait in Astronomy, Cool stuff, Pretty pictures | 37 comments | RSS feed | Trackback >

37 Responses to “More images of exoplanet show it orbiting its star”

  1. 1.   Larian LeQuella Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    It’s like a planetary baby picture. :) It’s so cute!

  2. 2.   Grizzly Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Wow. I love pics of Beta Pic.

  3. 3.   Gareth Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Hah. Cool. In my boredom, I decided to see if I could calculate the mass of Beta Pictoris based on those images – estimating the orbital radius at 20 AU, and the period at 12 years. Got a mass of 3.6E+27 kg. Then I checked Wikipedia, and it says Beta Pictoris is 1.75 times the mass of the sun. Dividing 3.6E+27 by 1.75 gives 2.05E+27 kg, which is very approximately the mass of the sun (a little bit more, but then I did just guess the numbers based on one picture!)

    It may be 13 years since I finished my astrophysics degree and I’ve not used it since, but I’ve still got it… ;o)

  4. 4.   Gareth Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    EDIT from above:

    Maybe I haven’t still got it completely. I’ve missed a factor of 1000 off somewhere in there. Should be 3.6E+30 kg, not E+27! Ooops.

  5. 5.   Trebuchet Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I love/hate the galleries. Love them because they’re always pretty cool. And hate them because they’re completely unusable when I’m stuck in the land of dial-up, as I am about half the time, including right now.

  6. 6.   John Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    That sucker must really be moving to go from one end of its orbit to another in 6 years, when it takes Saturn almost 15 years to do the same. Or have I misunderstood something?

  7. 7.   NoOneOfConsequence Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Does that mean it orbits its star once every 14 Earth years? That seems REALLY fast for something as far out as Saturn.

  8. 8.   JohnW Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    It’s very considerate of Beta Pic to be star-shaped like that.

  9. 9.   BJN Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I’m not seeing six months of movement in the third picture, assuming that between 2003 and 2009 the travel is a little less than half an orbit. Six months would be about 15 degrees, no?

  10. 10.   Combat Astronomer Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I don’t presume to know a whole lot about orbital mechanics. But, it seems a bit odd to me that a planet that presumably orbits slighter closer to it’s star than Saturn ours, yet it only has approx. a 12 year orbital period. Wouldn’t that mean there were some extreme masses involved? Anyone with some insight would be greatly appreciated!

  11. 11.   Jamie Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Combat Astronomyer,

    Did you read Phil’s post at all?
    “Besides helping nail down the planet’s orbit, the new observations allow astronomers to find that the mass of the planet is between 7 and 11 times that of Jupiter,”

  12. 12.   Tom (H. Type) Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Not being an astrophysicist, I got to ask, does a Sun’s mass stay constant over time?

    Doesn’t it loose a significant amount of mass from converting mass to energy, therefore making it difficult for large fast moving objects to be very far out from the sun? Relatively speaking.

  13. 13.   chris j. Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Combat Astronomer, a planet’s orbital period is dependent on its distance from its star, the star’s mass, and the planet’s mass, per Kepler’s 3d law. increasing the masses will reduce the orbital period. i’d give you the actual calculations, which i attempted on the back of a napkin (really!), but i came up with about 4-6 years so i must be doing something wrong.

  14. 14.   Phil Plait Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Tom (12): Actually, I calculated that a while back on my original BA site. Turns out the mass loss from solar wind is a tiny fraction of the loss due to nuclear fusion in the Sun’s core, and even that isn’t much compared to the mass of the whole star.

  15. 15.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Superluminous news! :-D 8)

    For more on Beta Pictoris see : http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/betapic.html

    with a finder chart here : http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/pup-t.html

    Thanks to Kaler’s stars website. Love this news! :-D

  16. 16.   Gareth Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Combat Astronomer: as I say in my post, a 12 year period at roughly 20AU is consistent with a stellar mass of about 3.6E+30 kg, which is about what Wiki claims is Beta Pic’s mass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Pictoris )

    BTW – in case anyone’s interested (and hasn’t already worked it out), my factor of 1000 mistake was due to me converting the AU into kilometres rather than metres! Schoolboy error… :o $

  17. 17.   Gareth Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    I’m having a really bad evening, aren’t I? Saturn is at approximately 10AU, not 20AU!

    Perhaps I should just go back to school… :o D

  18. 18.   Gareth Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Ok, I’m feeling a bit stupid now, of course, but I thought I’d give it another go from a different angle.

    If the orbital radius is slightly less than Saturn’s orbital radius, i.e. at around 8 or 9 AU, and the mass of Beta Pic is around 3.5E+30kg, I get an orbital period of around 20 years.

    Phew.

    If there’s one thing I’ve learned tonight it’s that when I get bored, I need to find something other than calculations of orbital mechanics to occupy my time… (BTW, yes I was this bad while doing the aforementioned astrophysics degree too…)

  19. 19.   Tom (H. Type) Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Thanks Phil, that explains it.
    You’ve been at this for a while…same old questions, you have ready made explanations.

    …and no, I’m not a “Young Earther”. It’s just the scale problem again. 4.4 million kg per second over billions of years seems that there would be nothing left, until you put the total mass into perspective.

    Suns are Huge…really Huge! That kind of mass makes a big divot in the old Space/time fabric.

  20. 20.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @17. Gareth Says:

    I’m having a really bad evening, aren’t I? Saturn is at approximately 10AU, not 20AU! Perhaps I should just go back to school…

    Oh well, we all have our good days and our bad

  21. 21.   Robert Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    @Tom:

    The solar wind is pretty insignificant in terms of the amount of material lost, like Phil said. However, after the sun evolves a bit more, when it becomes a red giant, it will probably have a fairly significant wind. We see other giant stars that lose mass at rates of a millionth of a solar mass per year, which may not sound like much, but is a heck of a lot of stuff, particularly when you realize that at that rate the star would be gone in only ~1 million years.

  22. 22.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    CONTINUED from #20 :
    _________________________

    … ones, that’s understood & okay.

    We’re all human and as such fallible. (Like how I’ve messed up this comment, *sigh*.)

    So no worries. ;-)

    (Some of us are just more fallible than others but anyhow.)

  23. 23.   Tobin Dax Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    This just evokes a visceral response from me. It is so cool that we can actually pictures of an exoplanet. This post really made my day

    @ Gareth – You mean it’s possible to quit doing astrophysics for fun? Not that I’m sure if I want to. :)

  24. 24.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    @21. Robert Says:

    @Tom : The solar wind is pretty insignificant in terms of the amount of material lost, like Phil said. However, after the sun evolves a bit more, when it becomes a red giant, it will probably have a fairly significant wind. We see other giant stars that lose mass at rates of a millionth of a solar mass per year, which may not sound like much, but is a heck of a lot of stuff, particularly when you realize that at that rate the star would be gone in only ~1 million years.

    We also see such red giants doing wnderful things like this :

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/15/the-wonderful/

    Where Mira has left a comet-like tail of material light-years in length behind it!

    Also things like this :

    http://kencroswell.com/RHydraeBowShock.html

    Bowshock around the similar Mira star, R Hydrae.

    Plus its not just red giants that do these things as you’ll find from reading this old BA blog post :

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/24/shocking-star-is-shocking-shocking-i-say/

    about Zeta Ophiuchi, an 09 type blue supergiant. :-)

    Seconding your comments on the Sun’s red giant solar wind increase too – the mass loss involved may save our planet – or at least some of it, the Earth’s crust will still be rendered molten and the atmosphere probably stripped away into space! ;-)

  25. 25.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Incidentally, if its okay to do this – hope it is & my apologies if not – I’m going to note that the current (April 2011) issue of Sky &Telescope magazine has a good article on stars that host planets incl. an explanation on why A type stars are good candidates for directly imaging any exoplanets that may orbit them. :-)

    As we’ve done here & for Fomalhaut and HR 8799 or “Gadolabove” as I call it!

    (No, I don’t work for the magazine or get any commission or anything like that! Just love reading it & thinking that others might too. ;-) )

  26. 26.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Other exoplanetary news of remarkable findings :

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20160-two-planets-found-sharing-one-orbit.html%20

    Can’t remember if I’ve posted this here before or not. If so, sorry.

  27. 27.   QuietDesperation Says:
    March 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Hmm. OK.

    How much ya want for it?

  28. 28.   Combat Astronomer Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 6:38 am

    @Jamie – Yeah, I did read the post. I was inferring that I suspected that even that mass was too low. But, I DID overlook the mass of it’s star is greater than ours too. So that might help explain. So my question to you is, are you typically antagonistic when responding to questions?

    @ Gareth – Thank you for explaining! Yeah, I had a basic understanding of Keppler’s laws of gravitation and that is probably where the problem lied. Enough knowledge to wonder, not enough to say anything intelligent. lol

  29. 29.   Steveo Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Dibs on the Starbucks franchises!

  30. 30.   Movius Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    I remember watching space documentaries as a child in the late 80s/early 90s. The picture of Beta Pictoris’ circumstellar disc would always be shown as the iconic “Maybe there are planets here” star. It is amazing to me that they are now directly imaging planets around the star.

  31. 31.   NoAstronomer Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    @chris j

    “…a planet’s orbital period is dependent on its distance from its star, the star’s mass, and the planet’s mass, per Kepler’s 3d law.”

    Unless something has changed since I dropped out of my Astrophysics class 28 years ago*, a planet’s mass has no effect on it’s orbital period. That’s only going to depend on it’s distance from the star and the star’s mass.

    I’m just guessing but the authors of the paper probably determined the mass of Beta Pictoris b by using it’s apparent temperature and brightness to determine it’s size. Then assuming it is a gas giant with around the same density as Jupiter/Saturn you can work out an estimate for the mass.

    7-11 Jupiter masses is a fairly wide range.

    Mike

    * Kudos to Gareth for sticking with it.

  32. 32.   Images of exoplanet shown it orbiting its star « Sky-Watching Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    [...] More images of exoplanet show it orbiting its star. [...]

  33. 33.   Bubba Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Gasp! FSM help us. We are not alone.

  34. 34.   NoAstronomer Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    I’ll also note that the upper limit for the projected mass of Beta Pictoris b butts right up against the lower limits for a brown dwarf.

  35. 35.   Messier Tidy Upper Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    @33. Bubba : Gasp! FSM help us. We are not alone.

    Almost certainly not – but it’ still too early to say we know that for sure. :-)

    Although the probability of there being life and even intelligent sentient life is exceedingly high (95% or more I’d guess) we still don’t know of any actual alien species or sentiences out there.

  36. 36.   mike burkhart Says:
    March 4th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    OK now for the big question.Do any of these planets have life on them? Some might only have the chemical reaction ”soup” that will leed to life forms millons of years later,like on Earth billons of years ago.

  37. 37.   DigitalAxis Says:
    March 5th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Another reason Beta Pic b is easy to see, is that the star Beta Pic is only about 12 million years old. That 7-12 Jupiter Mass planet is still gravitationally contracting and producing energy.

    Also, at 12 Myr old, that planet there isn’t much older than the human species! (unless my anthropology is way off. Which it easily could be…)

    @31 NoAstronomer: Actually, the mass of the planet technically does count. The formula you remember is Mass*Period^2=semimajorAxis^3, where M is the TOTAL mass of the system in question (thus, it works for binary star systems too). It’s just that Beta Pic, at 1.75 Solar Masses, vastly outweighs Beta Pic b, at 0.007 – 0.012 Solar Masses; the answer for a 1.762 solar mass system is going to be basically identical.

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