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		<title>By: daos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/28/mars-scar/comment-page-1/#comment-395541</link>
		<dc:creator>daos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very cool. so what happened to the pieces? can related impact craters be found downrange? or did it all just disintegrate on impact..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very cool. so what happened to the pieces? can related impact craters be found downrange? or did it all just disintegrate on impact..</p>
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		<title>By: lurker_above</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/28/mars-scar/comment-page-1/#comment-372596</link>
		<dc:creator>lurker_above</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lieutenant Worf:  &quot;It&#039;s as though some great force just scooped all the machine elements off the face of the planet. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieutenant Worf:  &#8220;It&#8217;s as though some great force just scooped all the machine elements off the face of the planet. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/28/mars-scar/comment-page-1/#comment-372474</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Noahs Ark site.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this crater is the result of the angle of impact rather than the shape of the impactor, and given that the vast majority of craters are round, do we conclude that the impactor was moving very, very, fast, like well above solar escape velocity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this crater is the result of the angle of impact rather than the shape of the impactor, and given that the vast majority of craters are round, do we conclude that the impactor was moving very, very, fast, like well above solar escape velocity?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the first image, I got the classic in-and-out optical illusion.  That is, it did not look like an elongated crater, but a big plateau!  Like a giant loaf . . of something.  Thankfully, the 3-D rendering is much less ambiguous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the first image, I got the classic in-and-out optical illusion.  That is, it did not look like an elongated crater, but a big plateau!  Like a giant loaf . . of something.  Thankfully, the 3-D rendering is much less ambiguous!</p>
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		<title>By: qfwfq78</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/28/mars-scar/comment-page-1/#comment-372416</link>
		<dc:creator>qfwfq78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool! Though my favourite martian feature is still the smiley face...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool! Though my favourite martian feature is still the smiley face&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beieve that at an angle of less the 5 degrees the meteor would creat a scar such as this, again like a skidding stone across a pond. I recall seeing this on Discovery Channel... Or reading it in Astronomy. The mud flop ejecta would indicate this guess. (I&#039;d say Hypothosis, but my references are sketchy though a a low angle skipping stone in water is a good analogy to a very fast low angle skipping rock and hard ground)

Irregardless isn&#039;t it interesting that there is another similar scar so close... See my observation on yesterday&#039;s triple hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beieve that at an angle of less the 5 degrees the meteor would creat a scar such as this, again like a skidding stone across a pond. I recall seeing this on Discovery Channel&#8230; Or reading it in Astronomy. The mud flop ejecta would indicate this guess. (I&#8217;d say Hypothosis, but my references are sketchy though a a low angle skipping stone in water is a good analogy to a very fast low angle skipping rock and hard ground)</p>
<p>Irregardless isn&#8217;t it interesting that there is another similar scar so close&#8230; See my observation on yesterday&#8217;s triple hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks strikingly similar to the impact crater caused by a high speed crash of a jet at a low angle.  Left to right seems most likely -- especially with the evidence of the secondary impacts to the right.  Great photo!  Would love to see the associated craters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks strikingly similar to the impact crater caused by a high speed crash of a jet at a low angle.  Left to right seems most likely &#8212; especially with the evidence of the secondary impacts to the right.  Great photo!  Would love to see the associated craters.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guysmiley (9) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought it didn’t matter the angle of the impact, craters were always circular? Or is that only when above some certain impact velocity?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are right.  This is how we are able to deduce that the impactor fragmented &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; it hit.  The pieces hit close enough together that the impacts did not form separate overlapping craters, but instead one elongated feature, as the individual craters merged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guysmiley (9) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I thought it didn’t matter the angle of the impact, craters were always circular? Or is that only when above some certain impact velocity?</p></blockquote>
<p>You are right.  This is how we are able to deduce that the impactor fragmented <i>before</i> it hit.  The pieces hit close enough together that the impacts did not form separate overlapping craters, but instead one elongated feature, as the individual craters merged.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oblique or low-angle trajectory of impactors with relatively high tensile or material strength (such as an iron-nickel asteroid) would be much more likely to avoid disintegration via tidal forces before atmospheric entry or after entry into the atmosphere, especially in shallow trajectories where the dynamic stresses build up much more gradually than steep trajectories. 

The form of this impact feature strongly suggests it traveled from the narrow end and plowed toward the fat end (right to left in the top image). Low-angle impact simulations bear this geometry out: when an impactor first makes contact with the surface, only a relatively small portion is sheared off, but the rest of the impactor is bouyed for a time by the energy released beneath it. But it continues to lose energy and gradually plows out a widening &#039;channel&#039; until its bulk is consumed. The fact that one sees smaller elongated scars that are aligned with the main feature&#039;s exclusively beyond the fat end (and no evidence of such beyond the narrow end) indicates secondary or briefly surviving impactor debris being cast forward from the main impact. 

This is hardly new to impact science: one can see prominent twin rays extending beyond the famed lunar crater pair Messier and Messier A, located in Mare Fecunditatis. If you have a six-inch or larger telescope, have a look at it! Or look at the images in this well-illustrated Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_(crater)

One popular interpretation is that a shallow-angle strike by an impactor produced the highly-elongated Messier, and that at least part of it rebounded to create the complex form of Messier A (possibly with an initial gouge produced by one mass followed &#039;almost immediately&#039; by another portion that came down onto the foot of the secondary gouge after it was lofted into a slightly higher &#039;hop&#039;) casting glassy material in jets further down-range to produce the twin rays.

But another fascinating feature of this complex are rays extending in narrow &#039;wings&#039; perpendicular to the long axis of the main elongated Messier (which is also the brighter of the two in terms of albedo, indicating that it was almost certainly created with higher impact energy than its down-stream companion Messier A was). 

The Mars analogs which Phil has featured in the last few days also have such perpendicular ejecta &#039;wings&#039; - except this much larger one shown here (captured by Mars Express released last year) has a LOBATE terminus indicating fluid flow, stronglysuggesting the presence of a substantial reservoir of subsurface water ice - an unmistakably Martian habit and ubiquitous on Mars. You can see such lobate forms around a number of the larger circular craters in the same image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblique or low-angle trajectory of impactors with relatively high tensile or material strength (such as an iron-nickel asteroid) would be much more likely to avoid disintegration via tidal forces before atmospheric entry or after entry into the atmosphere, especially in shallow trajectories where the dynamic stresses build up much more gradually than steep trajectories. </p>
<p>The form of this impact feature strongly suggests it traveled from the narrow end and plowed toward the fat end (right to left in the top image). Low-angle impact simulations bear this geometry out: when an impactor first makes contact with the surface, only a relatively small portion is sheared off, but the rest of the impactor is bouyed for a time by the energy released beneath it. But it continues to lose energy and gradually plows out a widening &#8216;channel&#8217; until its bulk is consumed. The fact that one sees smaller elongated scars that are aligned with the main feature&#8217;s exclusively beyond the fat end (and no evidence of such beyond the narrow end) indicates secondary or briefly surviving impactor debris being cast forward from the main impact. </p>
<p>This is hardly new to impact science: one can see prominent twin rays extending beyond the famed lunar crater pair Messier and Messier A, located in Mare Fecunditatis. If you have a six-inch or larger telescope, have a look at it! Or look at the images in this well-illustrated Wikipedia article:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_(crater)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_(crater)</a></p>
<p>One popular interpretation is that a shallow-angle strike by an impactor produced the highly-elongated Messier, and that at least part of it rebounded to create the complex form of Messier A (possibly with an initial gouge produced by one mass followed &#8216;almost immediately&#8217; by another portion that came down onto the foot of the secondary gouge after it was lofted into a slightly higher &#8216;hop&#8217;) casting glassy material in jets further down-range to produce the twin rays.</p>
<p>But another fascinating feature of this complex are rays extending in narrow &#8216;wings&#8217; perpendicular to the long axis of the main elongated Messier (which is also the brighter of the two in terms of albedo, indicating that it was almost certainly created with higher impact energy than its down-stream companion Messier A was). </p>
<p>The Mars analogs which Phil has featured in the last few days also have such perpendicular ejecta &#8216;wings&#8217; &#8211; except this much larger one shown here (captured by Mars Express released last year) has a LOBATE terminus indicating fluid flow, stronglysuggesting the presence of a substantial reservoir of subsurface water ice &#8211; an unmistakably Martian habit and ubiquitous on Mars. You can see such lobate forms around a number of the larger circular craters in the same image.</p>
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		<title>By: mfumbesi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfumbesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>78Km long, 78km long, man it would take your breath away to stand on one end and look...... to the other side. I wonder how deep is it. From the pictures I would guess around 8km deep, man I would love to go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>78Km long, 78km long, man it would take your breath away to stand on one end and look&#8230;&#8230; to the other side. I wonder how deep is it. From the pictures I would guess around 8km deep, man I would love to go there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the USMC only taught me how to do this with field artillery, but the principle ought to be the same. On a low-angle shot the crater will be elongated, widening in the direction of travel, with ejecta beyond and to the side of the point of impact that narrows as the angle of impact decreases. In other words, left-to-right in the second picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the USMC only taught me how to do this with field artillery, but the principle ought to be the same. On a low-angle shot the crater will be elongated, widening in the direction of travel, with ejecta beyond and to the side of the point of impact that narrows as the angle of impact decreases. In other words, left-to-right in the second picture.</p>
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		<title>By: mattstronomyfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattstronomyfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or do the darker regions in the lowest areas of this crater appear to have cracks?  It reminds me of when a mud puddle dries up and forms large cracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or do the darker regions in the lowest areas of this crater appear to have cracks?  It reminds me of when a mud puddle dries up and forms large cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: timebinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>timebinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Big Man&#039;s footprint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Big Man&#8217;s footprint.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18.   ozprof : &lt;i&gt;&quot;So now we know where the Enterprise REALLY came down!!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

LOL. :-)

But &lt;b&gt;*which*&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;Enterprise&lt;/i&gt; are you meaning? ;-) 

This one? : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeLqsvFO31o

Or this one? : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvlLfqUJsQ&amp;feature=related 

Or maybe even this one :  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6t-bk_sqc&amp;NR=1 

perhaps? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18.   ozprof : <i>&#8220;So now we know where the Enterprise REALLY came down!!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>LOL. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But <b>*which*</b> <i>Enterprise</i> are you meaning? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>This one? : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeLqsvFO31o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeLqsvFO31o</a></p>
<p>Or this one? : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvlLfqUJsQ&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvlLfqUJsQ&#038;feature=related</a> </p>
<p>Or maybe even this one :  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6t-bk_sqc&#038;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6t-bk_sqc&#038;NR=1</a> </p>
<p>perhaps? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likely the largest pieces hit the ground first on account of larger radius during shallow impact making the row, everything else equal. That makes the narrow end the last, and explains the plowed material seen in the bottom figure.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
They’re almost perfectly aligned, 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What are you smoking, it seems nifty strong!? Rulers gives ~ 60 deg to ~ 70 deg ellipse long axis alignment to the W-E axis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likely the largest pieces hit the ground first on account of larger radius during shallow impact making the row, everything else equal. That makes the narrow end the last, and explains the plowed material seen in the bottom figure.</p>
<blockquote><p>
They’re almost perfectly aligned,
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<p>What are you smoking, it seems nifty strong!? Rulers gives ~ 60 deg to ~ 70 deg ellipse long axis alignment to the W-E axis.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Maruyama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Maruyama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@30.  Ray:
Obviously they used a long trowel--you can see the impression made by the handle in the lower-right in the second picture that BA posted above.

As to what happened to the dirt: duh, Phobos and Deimos. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@30.  Ray:<br />
Obviously they used a long trowel&#8211;you can see the impression made by the handle in the lower-right in the second picture that BA posted above.</p>
<p>As to what happened to the dirt: duh, Phobos and Deimos. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christoph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christoph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m by no means an expert in any of this, but I believe it could have been a glance for the right to left.  I would bet a buffalo nickel that the remaining pieces of the meteor are off the cliff.  On the right side of the crevice the hills in the crater are a sign that there was hard impact, from what little I know.  I&#039;m willing to bet that the rest of the crater is from the meteor pushed through the rest and fell off the edgeof the cliff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m by no means an expert in any of this, but I believe it could have been a glance for the right to left.  I would bet a buffalo nickel that the remaining pieces of the meteor are off the cliff.  On the right side of the crevice the hills in the crater are a sign that there was hard impact, from what little I know.  I&#8217;m willing to bet that the rest of the crater is from the meteor pushed through the rest and fell off the edgeof the cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: Truly Anomalous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truly Anomalous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph said:

&quot;I wonder, could Mars once have had a third small moon? Perhaps in an eccentric orbit with a rather low Perigee (er, Periareion)? 

Possibly; this is a good explanation for this crater, though not the only one: could also have been produced by a very oblique asteroid/cometary impact.

&quot;If so, will Phobos one day create a similar gouge?&quot;

Yes, in several tens of millions of years probably.   It&#039;s decaying orbit will be quite circular, with a smaller and smaller radius...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder, could Mars once have had a third small moon? Perhaps in an eccentric orbit with a rather low Perigee (er, Periareion)? </p>
<p>Possibly; this is a good explanation for this crater, though not the only one: could also have been produced by a very oblique asteroid/cometary impact.</p>
<p>&#8220;If so, will Phobos one day create a similar gouge?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, in several tens of millions of years probably.   It&#8217;s decaying orbit will be quite circular, with a smaller and smaller radius&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DrBB</title>
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		<description>@21.   Delta Says: 
March 28th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Phil I think you might be jumping to conclusions about the impact forming the cliff. If you look on the elevation map, showing the other impact scar, it looks like it is part of an escarpment that goes off to the north east.

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I was about to post that too. Much clearer in the linked image, the cliff seems to be a much larger structure with its own continuity not something caused by this impact. Almost looks as if the impactor was traveling at such a low angle that it caught the lip of the cliff as the first point of impact. That seems a little more plausible than the second interpretation that sprang to mind, which is that it was traveling the opposite direction, also at an exceedingly low angle, and lost contact with the ground where the cliff dropped away, then impacted again further out, creating the other elongated crater that&#039;s visible in the linked image. Probably I&#039;ve seen too many Road Runner cartoons.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21.   Delta Says:<br />
March 28th, 2011 at 10:20 am<br />
Phil I think you might be jumping to conclusions about the impact forming the cliff. If you look on the elevation map, showing the other impact scar, it looks like it is part of an escarpment that goes off to the north east.</p>
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<p>I was about to post that too. Much clearer in the linked image, the cliff seems to be a much larger structure with its own continuity not something caused by this impact. Almost looks as if the impactor was traveling at such a low angle that it caught the lip of the cliff as the first point of impact. That seems a little more plausible than the second interpretation that sprang to mind, which is that it was traveling the opposite direction, also at an exceedingly low angle, and lost contact with the ground where the cliff dropped away, then impacted again further out, creating the other elongated crater that&#8217;s visible in the linked image. Probably I&#8217;ve seen too many Road Runner cartoons&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<description>Thats not an impact crater.  Its stripmining.  Aliens came to Mars and scooped up a bunch of Mars&#039; most valuable commodity.  I&#039;m not sure what they did with all that dirt but it must have been really important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats not an impact crater.  Its stripmining.  Aliens came to Mars and scooped up a bunch of Mars&#8217; most valuable commodity.  I&#8217;m not sure what they did with all that dirt but it must have been really important.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Maruyama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Maruyama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ RAF (#11):
I suspect that the only safe place to have had observed this impact was from high Martian orbit. :)

For simplicity sake let me call the multi-impact crater pictured above &quot;Crater A&quot; and the second multi-impact crater that BA mentioned &quot;Crater B.&quot;

I&#039;m no planetary astrophysicist, but I suspect that crater B is considerably older than Crater A. Crater B shares the smoother bottom that the majority of the craters in the area have while Crater A does not, suggesting that Crater B was likely part of the Late Heavy Bombardment phase that ended about 3.6 billion years ago (so as a non-specific answer @ crf [#20]: younger than that).

Considering the amount of energy that must be expended in order to excavate a crater, it seems unlikely to me that Crater A was formed in the main by a single body that &quot;skipped&quot; across the surface of Mars. Remember that the body that forms an impact crater is much smaller than the crater itself, and that the kinetic energy of the impact largely destroys that body. For example: the mile-across Meteor Crater in Arizona is thought to have been formed by a meteorite that was about 150 feet across, and while traces and chunks of it have been found the majority of the meteorite apparently was vaporized in the impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ RAF (#11):<br />
I suspect that the only safe place to have had observed this impact was from high Martian orbit. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For simplicity sake let me call the multi-impact crater pictured above &#8220;Crater A&#8221; and the second multi-impact crater that BA mentioned &#8220;Crater B.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no planetary astrophysicist, but I suspect that crater B is considerably older than Crater A. Crater B shares the smoother bottom that the majority of the craters in the area have while Crater A does not, suggesting that Crater B was likely part of the Late Heavy Bombardment phase that ended about 3.6 billion years ago (so as a non-specific answer @ crf [#20]: younger than that).</p>
<p>Considering the amount of energy that must be expended in order to excavate a crater, it seems unlikely to me that Crater A was formed in the main by a single body that &#8220;skipped&#8221; across the surface of Mars. Remember that the body that forms an impact crater is much smaller than the crater itself, and that the kinetic energy of the impact largely destroys that body. For example: the mile-across Meteor Crater in Arizona is thought to have been formed by a meteorite that was about 150 feet across, and while traces and chunks of it have been found the majority of the meteorite apparently was vaporized in the impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
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		<description>@23 Tim G:  I think he&#039;s talking about the diagonal escarpment you can see in the upper right of the top image and the upper left of the lower image.  I&#039;m not sure how an impact would create such a thing, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23 Tim G:  I think he&#8217;s talking about the diagonal escarpment you can see in the upper right of the top image and the upper left of the lower image.  I&#8217;m not sure how an impact would create such a thing, though.</p>
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		<title>By: phdnk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the impact direction has little to do with the crater&#039;s shape. However,  the ejected material can provide a clue.  It seems to me that the blanket is skewed towards the wide end of the crater. So I suggest the debris fell from right to left (in the first image).  

We can also see  individual craters overlap. The one at the wide end has apparently formed after the biggest crater. The piece which has done the wide end crater flew higher and therefore traveled further and hit later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the impact direction has little to do with the crater&#8217;s shape. However,  the ejected material can provide a clue.  It seems to me that the blanket is skewed towards the wide end of the crater. So I suggest the debris fell from right to left (in the first image).  </p>
<p>We can also see  individual craters overlap. The one at the wide end has apparently formed after the biggest crater. The piece which has done the wide end crater flew higher and therefore traveled further and hit later.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, those are some gorgeous data. Kudos to the Mars Express team!

I wonder, could Mars once have had a third small moon?  Perhaps in an eccentric  orbit with a rather low Perigee (er, Periareion)?  If so, will Phobos one day create a similar gouge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, those are some gorgeous data. Kudos to the Mars Express team!</p>
<p>I wonder, could Mars once have had a third small moon?  Perhaps in an eccentric  orbit with a rather low Perigee (er, Periareion)?  If so, will Phobos one day create a similar gouge?</p>
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