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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: jkittle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/04/s-marks-the-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-374028</link>
		<dc:creator>jkittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is left to be found are any planets larger than Mars out at the distance of the  inner oort cloud.  Also nearby brown dwarfs!</description>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/04/s-marks-the-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-373951</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Nigel:
Not to mention his/her very own museum at Drumnadrochit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Nigel:<br />
Not to mention his/her very own museum at Drumnadrochit!</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/04/s-marks-the-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-373916</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MTU (10) -
Nessie is alive and well and living in dozens of gift shops in Inverness.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MTU (10) -<br />
Nessie is alive and well and living in dozens of gift shops in Inverness.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/04/s-marks-the-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-373833</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 6.   The Barber of Civility :
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;” What else is out there, waiting to be found?”
Not “what”, but “who”.
Amelia Erhart, Jimmy Hoffa, Bigfoot, Klingons, and Nessie (among many). (You DID ask!)&lt;i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If those &quot;who&#039;s&quot; (&amp; bunyips too? ;-) )  are out beyond our own Galaxy floating around in space they&#039;re in big trouble indeed! ;-) 

Unless they&#039;re on a rogue world like Mongo - in which case they&#039;re in only slightly less trouble! ;-)

Also they&#039;ll be a little hard to spot even with the likes of Hubble.

Also if &quot;Nessie&quot; is way out in space beyond our Milky Way then that&#039;s disappointing news to a lot of Scots! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 6.   The Barber of Civility :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>” What else is out there, waiting to be found?”<br />
Not “what”, but “who”.<br />
Amelia Erhart, Jimmy Hoffa, Bigfoot, Klingons, and Nessie (among many). (You DID ask!)</i><i></i></p></blockquote>
<p>If those &#8220;who&#8217;s&#8221; (&amp; bunyips too? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )  are out beyond our own Galaxy floating around in space they&#8217;re in big trouble indeed! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Unless they&#8217;re on a rogue world like Mongo &#8211; in which case they&#8217;re in only slightly less trouble! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also they&#8217;ll be a little hard to spot even with the likes of Hubble.</p>
<p>Also if &#8220;Nessie&#8221; is way out in space beyond our Milky Way then that&#8217;s disappointing news to a lot of Scots! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/04/s-marks-the-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-373832</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, just a vague musing there &amp; not claiming that things &quot;supernatural&quot; necessarily exist - or don&#039;t.

Brane theory link here : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology 

for those wondering about that reference.

The other Circinus section via Kaler here :

http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/cru-t.html 

Plus the wikipedia entry on the Circinus galaxy here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circinus_Galaxy

Incl. a note that it&#039;s the closest Seyfert galaxy and &amp;  active  galaxy generally to our own. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, just a vague musing there &amp; not claiming that things &#8220;supernatural&#8221; necessarily exist &#8211; or don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Brane theory link here : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology</a> </p>
<p>for those wondering about that reference.</p>
<p>The other Circinus section via Kaler here :</p>
<p><a href="http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/cru-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/cru-t.html</a> </p>
<p>Plus the wikipedia entry on the Circinus galaxy here :</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circinus_Galaxy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circinus_Galaxy</a></p>
<p>Incl. a note that it&#8217;s the closest Seyfert galaxy and &amp;  active  galaxy generally to our own. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5.   gameshowhost : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Phil – Jesus is out there, waiting to be found.
No one’s tried scanning the holy ghost spectrum, have they?? Huh??&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess you&#039;re joking there (right?) but the idea that what we consider the the &quot;supernatural&quot; could be part of an extended from of the &quot;electromagnetic&quot; (plus?) spectrum is one that has occurred and has  a certain appeal to me. :-) 

Not saying its true or not, just a neat idea. ;-) 

Alternatively - assuming the big &lt;b&gt;&quot;if&quot;&lt;/b&gt; that there is actually something to the &quot;supernatural&quot; (for want of a better word) phenomena - could they be related / emanting from one or more of the many other postulated extra dimensions or branes in that genuine cosmological theory thereof? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5.   gameshowhost : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Phil – Jesus is out there, waiting to be found.<br />
No one’s tried scanning the holy ghost spectrum, have they?? Huh??</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re joking there (right?) but the idea that what we consider the the &#8220;supernatural&#8221; could be part of an extended from of the &#8220;electromagnetic&#8221; (plus?) spectrum is one that has occurred and has  a certain appeal to me. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Not saying its true or not, just a neat idea. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Alternatively &#8211; assuming the big <b>&#8220;if&#8221;</b> that there is actually something to the &#8220;supernatural&#8221; (for want of a better word) phenomena &#8211; could they be related / emanting from one or more of the many other postulated extra dimensions or branes in that genuine cosmological theory thereof?</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/04/s-marks-the-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-373828</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Until 1975, an entire nearby galaxy was hidden from our view! What else is out there, waiting to be found?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The Circinus galaxy isn&#039;t alone in being a large nearby galaxy hidden behind the more crowded &quot;Zone of Avoidance&quot; for the Milky Way there&#039;s also : 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maffei_1 

the closest elliptical galaxy which would otherwise be prominent in our skies. It and its similarly hidden companion galaxy Maffei 2 were found in 1968. 

Mind you, I wouldn&#039;t have thought Circinus :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circinus 

&amp; 

http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/tra-t.html

was that obscured by galactic star clouds. 

I wonder if we have found everything hidden in this zone yet or not?  Great post. :-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Until 1975, an entire nearby galaxy was hidden from our view! What else is out there, waiting to be found?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The Circinus galaxy isn&#8217;t alone in being a large nearby galaxy hidden behind the more crowded &#8220;Zone of Avoidance&#8221; for the Milky Way there&#8217;s also : </p>
<p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maffei_1" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maffei_1</a> </p>
<p>the closest elliptical galaxy which would otherwise be prominent in our skies. It and its similarly hidden companion galaxy Maffei 2 were found in 1968. </p>
<p>Mind you, I wouldn&#8217;t have thought Circinus :</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circinus" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circinus</a> </p>
<p>&amp; </p>
<p><a href="http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/tra-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/tra-t.html</a></p>
<p>was that obscured by galactic star clouds. </p>
<p>I wonder if we have found everything hidden in this zone yet or not?  Great post. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Barber of Civility</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Barber of Civility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; What else is out there, waiting to be found?&quot;

Not &quot;what&quot;, but &quot;who&quot;.

Amelia Erhart, Jimmy Hoffa, Bigfoot, Klingons, and Nessie (among many).  (You DID ask!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; What else is out there, waiting to be found?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not &#8220;what&#8221;, but &#8220;who&#8221;.</p>
<p>Amelia Erhart, Jimmy Hoffa, Bigfoot, Klingons, and Nessie (among many).  (You DID ask!)</p>
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		<title>By: gameshowhost</title>
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		<dc:creator>gameshowhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - Jesus is out there, waiting to be found.

No one&#039;s tried scanning the holy ghost spectrum, have they?? Huh??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; Jesus is out there, waiting to be found.</p>
<p>No one&#8217;s tried scanning the holy ghost spectrum, have they?? Huh??</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Solius

So thats what all those space probes are doing, I knew it!!!

Ethane lakes on Titan? We&#039;ll take those too.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Solius</p>
<p>So thats what all those space probes are doing, I knew it!!!</p>
<p>Ethane lakes on Titan? We&#8217;ll take those too.<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Solius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Usually, that wavelength comes from warm dust and long-chain organic molecules called PAHs&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

10:1 that we see an abiogenic oil comment before this post is buried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Usually, that wavelength comes from warm dust and long-chain organic molecules called PAHs</em></p></blockquote>
<p>10:1 that we see an abiogenic oil comment before this post is buried.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BA said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;PAHs, for polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons — basically, smelly soot&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Aw, Phil, fancy you falling for that one.  Aromatic chemical compounds are not named for being, y&#039;know, &lt;i&gt;aromatic&lt;/i&gt; (although some of them smell pretty powerfully - yes, pyridine, I&#039;m turning my nose up at you!).  Aromatic compounds are a class of cyclic compounds that contain conjugated &lt;i&gt;pi&lt;/i&gt; bonds (in addition to the more usual &lt;i&gt;sigma&lt;/i&gt; bonds) and therefore have delocalised electrons.  Admittedly, it&#039;s more complicated than this in reality, but I&#039;m simplifying here to save space*.

* And, a bit, because my memory of molecular bonding orbital theory is a bit shaky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BA said:</p>
<blockquote><p>PAHs, for polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons — basically, smelly soot</p></blockquote>
<p>Aw, Phil, fancy you falling for that one.  Aromatic chemical compounds are not named for being, y&#8217;know, <i>aromatic</i> (although some of them smell pretty powerfully &#8211; yes, pyridine, I&#8217;m turning my nose up at you!).  Aromatic compounds are a class of cyclic compounds that contain conjugated <i>pi</i> bonds (in addition to the more usual <i>sigma</i> bonds) and therefore have delocalised electrons.  Admittedly, it&#8217;s more complicated than this in reality, but I&#8217;m simplifying here to save space*.</p>
<p>* And, a bit, because my memory of molecular bonding orbital theory is a bit shaky.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent!</description>
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