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	<title>Comments on: Spitzer sees star spew spurious spouts</title>
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		<title>By: Troythulu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troythulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 06:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, BA. Such a young star, and some good images of its infantile temper-tantrums as well. It will be fascinating when it&#039;s discovered why the jets are behaving the way they are. Gods of Howard Phillips Lovecraft...Science is cool. Thanks for posting on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, BA. Such a young star, and some good images of its infantile temper-tantrums as well. It will be fascinating when it&#8217;s discovered why the jets are behaving the way they are. Gods of Howard Phillips Lovecraft&#8230;Science is cool. Thanks for posting on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Baby Star&#8217;s Twin Gas Jets Fire on Time Delay &#8211; Space.com &#124; Flagstaff News and Weather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baby Star&#8217;s Twin Gas Jets Fire on Time Delay &#8211; Space.com &#124; Flagstaff News and Weather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 04:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one is truly a puzzle. One might naively think that the (optically visible) jet on the right that has knots that seem to have been squirted out 4.5 years tardy compared to the comparable knots in the opposite (infrared) jet would come about simply from the common effect of light-time arrival of an extended object at some sufficiently large angle to the plane of the sky. In that scenario, recall that extended astronomical objects of some size - say like galaxies seen edge-on - cannot be viewed by an external observer as if it were a &#039;snapshot&#039; of the object at some given point in time. With edge-on galaxies comparable to the Milky way, for example, suppose one sees a supernova event in the far part of the disk and anoither one happening in the near part of the disk in the same month: we don&#039;t often think about our view of the host galaxy in question being &#039;spread out in as much as hundred thousand years, or stop to consider that, although we saw two supernovae go off nearly simultaneously from our point of view, that the farside supernova exploded as much as a hundred thousand years BEFORE the nearside supernova exploded from the reference frame of the galaxy itself. By the time the light of those respective supernovae reaches us, we see two supernovae going off within a month of each other, and think they happened nearly simultaneously in that galaxy.

Similarly, with respect to jet phenomena of any kind, one would naturally expect that a structural symmetry on both sides would reflect the activity of a single central engine: if something big blazes up at the core, one naturally expects bright knots of plasma to be ejected in BOTH jets and that they would travel outward at comparable speeds, covering the same distance in a given amount of time from the reference frame of the central engine. BUT, if the jet axis is tilted with respect to our plane of the sky, and the jets are sufficiently extensive in lenth (say, on the order of light-years or more) one jet will inevitably be closer to a given observer like us than the other is. Thus, unless we are viewing the jets almost exactly broadside, when we measure the apparently angular distance between the central engine and apparently homologous knots on either jet, we should EXPECT to find that there will be a displacement that indicates which jet is pointed toward us and therefore closer than the oppposing jet, and would naturally find that far jet appears to have a pattern of knots measurably closer to the central engine than their counterpart knots in the jet angled toward us and therefore closer to us.

This scenario is merely a consequence of elementary geometry coupled with the finite velocity of light, and it has been well documented in a wide variety of phenomena, most strikingly - and spectacularly - documented with a series of Hubble images over the course of several years, in the 2002 outburst of V838 Monocerotis which produced a light-echo which perefectly illustrated the effect of signals being delayed from reflecting material (cirumstellar dust clouds) that is farther away compared to those signals reflected by material closer to us observers. We could actually WATCH how light reflected from stuff BEHIND the star arrived much later than light reflected off of stuff closer to us along the direct line of sight. But its vital to remember that the light echo played out over several years after the SINGLE outburst occurred: a classic case of a very brief flash of an event spread out in time because of the extension of the size of an object in terms of distance (the circumstellar dust clouds that reflected the light of the brief outburst).

It doesn&#039;t take into account any relativistic effects which may also play a dominating role (as has frequently in fact been observed with certain quasar jets and the famous jet emmanating from the core of the Virgo galaxy cluster giant elliptical galaxy M 87), which complicates the timing issue of jets aimed nearly in our direction even more.

Given all these potential issues, the case of HH 34 is nevertheless puzzling. It does not seem to follow the simple rules I&#039;ve outlined above. For example, it is difficult to reconclie a 4.5 year delay on one jet with respect to the other when the entire jet structure might be at most 10 to 20 light-years in extent. Moreover, its hard to understand how the optically exposed jet on the right would exhibit the LAGGING, unless it was pointed drastically AWAY from our direction compared to the opposing and optically hidden jet. There&#039;s definitely something screwy about the asymmetry that doesn&#039;t immediately suggest an accounting. I can&#039;t buy the &#039;sound-wave&#039; mechanism as an explanation yet; it seems too contrived and I can&#039;t reconcile it with the apparent coherence exhibited on both jets over most of their extended lengths. Rather, I think, as usual, the answer will probably turn out to be a far more simple one, and one that points out some currently unnoticed observational error of some kind (even though the measured displacements are real - I measured them myself). Whatever the explanation ultimately turns out to be, encountering an authentic natural mystery is always welcome and infinitely more rewarding than messing around with the fake superstitious kind, which aren&#039;t mysteries at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is truly a puzzle. One might naively think that the (optically visible) jet on the right that has knots that seem to have been squirted out 4.5 years tardy compared to the comparable knots in the opposite (infrared) jet would come about simply from the common effect of light-time arrival of an extended object at some sufficiently large angle to the plane of the sky. In that scenario, recall that extended astronomical objects of some size &#8211; say like galaxies seen edge-on &#8211; cannot be viewed by an external observer as if it were a &#8216;snapshot&#8217; of the object at some given point in time. With edge-on galaxies comparable to the Milky way, for example, suppose one sees a supernova event in the far part of the disk and anoither one happening in the near part of the disk in the same month: we don&#8217;t often think about our view of the host galaxy in question being &#8216;spread out in as much as hundred thousand years, or stop to consider that, although we saw two supernovae go off nearly simultaneously from our point of view, that the farside supernova exploded as much as a hundred thousand years BEFORE the nearside supernova exploded from the reference frame of the galaxy itself. By the time the light of those respective supernovae reaches us, we see two supernovae going off within a month of each other, and think they happened nearly simultaneously in that galaxy.</p>
<p>Similarly, with respect to jet phenomena of any kind, one would naturally expect that a structural symmetry on both sides would reflect the activity of a single central engine: if something big blazes up at the core, one naturally expects bright knots of plasma to be ejected in BOTH jets and that they would travel outward at comparable speeds, covering the same distance in a given amount of time from the reference frame of the central engine. BUT, if the jet axis is tilted with respect to our plane of the sky, and the jets are sufficiently extensive in lenth (say, on the order of light-years or more) one jet will inevitably be closer to a given observer like us than the other is. Thus, unless we are viewing the jets almost exactly broadside, when we measure the apparently angular distance between the central engine and apparently homologous knots on either jet, we should EXPECT to find that there will be a displacement that indicates which jet is pointed toward us and therefore closer than the oppposing jet, and would naturally find that far jet appears to have a pattern of knots measurably closer to the central engine than their counterpart knots in the jet angled toward us and therefore closer to us.</p>
<p>This scenario is merely a consequence of elementary geometry coupled with the finite velocity of light, and it has been well documented in a wide variety of phenomena, most strikingly &#8211; and spectacularly &#8211; documented with a series of Hubble images over the course of several years, in the 2002 outburst of V838 Monocerotis which produced a light-echo which perefectly illustrated the effect of signals being delayed from reflecting material (cirumstellar dust clouds) that is farther away compared to those signals reflected by material closer to us observers. We could actually WATCH how light reflected from stuff BEHIND the star arrived much later than light reflected off of stuff closer to us along the direct line of sight. But its vital to remember that the light echo played out over several years after the SINGLE outburst occurred: a classic case of a very brief flash of an event spread out in time because of the extension of the size of an object in terms of distance (the circumstellar dust clouds that reflected the light of the brief outburst).</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take into account any relativistic effects which may also play a dominating role (as has frequently in fact been observed with certain quasar jets and the famous jet emmanating from the core of the Virgo galaxy cluster giant elliptical galaxy M 87), which complicates the timing issue of jets aimed nearly in our direction even more.</p>
<p>Given all these potential issues, the case of HH 34 is nevertheless puzzling. It does not seem to follow the simple rules I&#8217;ve outlined above. For example, it is difficult to reconclie a 4.5 year delay on one jet with respect to the other when the entire jet structure might be at most 10 to 20 light-years in extent. Moreover, its hard to understand how the optically exposed jet on the right would exhibit the LAGGING, unless it was pointed drastically AWAY from our direction compared to the opposing and optically hidden jet. There&#8217;s definitely something screwy about the asymmetry that doesn&#8217;t immediately suggest an accounting. I can&#8217;t buy the &#8216;sound-wave&#8217; mechanism as an explanation yet; it seems too contrived and I can&#8217;t reconcile it with the apparent coherence exhibited on both jets over most of their extended lengths. Rather, I think, as usual, the answer will probably turn out to be a far more simple one, and one that points out some currently unnoticed observational error of some kind (even though the measured displacements are real &#8211; I measured them myself). Whatever the explanation ultimately turns out to be, encountering an authentic natural mystery is always welcome and infinitely more rewarding than messing around with the fake superstitious kind, which aren&#8217;t mysteries at all.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #11

Yeah ;) All you need is an object with enough mass to form a &quot;gravity well&quot; and some matter that intends (or is just forced to) fall onto the object. Since the infall will normally not be radially, it does not hit the object but is forced into an orbit. When there is enough matter to do this it will form a disk in equatorial plane - the accretion disk, which is revolving around the central object.
In order to get rid off this rotational movement one needs friction and magnetic fields. The latter are eventually taken with the disk, since it will turn into a plasma. Due to the rotation the magnetic field will become twisted and form two narrow channels along the rotational axis of the central object - the jets.

This is the basic picture, but the details are not yet understood.</description>
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<p>Yeah <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  All you need is an object with enough mass to form a &#8220;gravity well&#8221; and some matter that intends (or is just forced to) fall onto the object. Since the infall will normally not be radially, it does not hit the object but is forced into an orbit. When there is enough matter to do this it will form a disk in equatorial plane &#8211; the accretion disk, which is revolving around the central object.<br />
In order to get rid off this rotational movement one needs friction and magnetic fields. The latter are eventually taken with the disk, since it will turn into a plasma. Due to the rotation the magnetic field will become twisted and form two narrow channels along the rotational axis of the central object &#8211; the jets.</p>
<p>This is the basic picture, but the details are not yet understood.</p>
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		<title>By: SF Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>SF Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rampant speculation: I wonder if the star is bobbing up and down relative to the disk?   That would imply a very massive disk, though.

Fascinating...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rampant speculation: I wonder if the star is bobbing up and down relative to the disk?   That would imply a very massive disk, though.</p>
<p>Fascinating&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#10:  An accretion disc is an accretion disc, eh? :)  

Ah, ok.  Anyway, so yes, I did mean far infrared, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#10:  An accretion disc is an accretion disc, eh? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Ah, ok.  Anyway, so yes, I did mean far infrared, then.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #7 Joseph G

Jets are a by-product of accretion. So whenever an object consumes matter it produces jets. That&#039;s true for black holes, neutron stars, white dwarfs and young growing stars.

The blurriness of IR images should be due to the fact that resolution is inversely proportional to the wavelength. &quot;Near&quot; IR is that part that is close to optical (red) light (say about 1 micron) and &quot;far&quot; means that it is, well, far away from the optical band (10 to 100 microns or so).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #7 Joseph G</p>
<p>Jets are a by-product of accretion. So whenever an object consumes matter it produces jets. That&#8217;s true for black holes, neutron stars, white dwarfs and young growing stars.</p>
<p>The blurriness of IR images should be due to the fact that resolution is inversely proportional to the wavelength. &#8220;Near&#8221; IR is that part that is close to optical (red) light (say about 1 micron) and &#8220;far&#8221; means that it is, well, far away from the optical band (10 to 100 microns or so).</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8 Emil:  I know. it really gives you a sense of scale.  Or a sense that scales are so huge that we can&#039;t honestly get a real sense of them :D

FYI, there&#039;s a more colorful (though much smaller) animation on teh Wiki page for Herbig-Haro Objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8 Emil:  I know. it really gives you a sense of scale.  Or a sense that scales are so huge that we can&#8217;t honestly get a real sense of them <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>FYI, there&#8217;s a more colorful (though much smaller) animation on teh Wiki page for Herbig-Haro Objects.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That small animation is simply the best. Usually when I think about space, I think about A LOT of more or less static stuff. Even though I &#039;know&#039; everything is in motion, you hardly ever see it. But with a short animation like this, it immediately comes to life..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That small animation is simply the best. Usually when I think about space, I think about A LOT of more or less static stuff. Even though I &#8216;know&#8217; everything is in motion, you hardly ever see it. But with a short animation like this, it immediately comes to life..</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!!!  I&#039;ve heard of polar jets coming from black holes, but not young stars.  
Oooh, I can&#039;t wait &#039;till the James Webb telescope goes up!! Moar infrared goodness and no coolant to run out! 

Incidentally, is it just me, or do most of these infrared images look a bit blurry compared to their optical counterparts?  Are far infrared wavelengths long enough to limit the resolution of IR cameras?  For that matter, I can&#039;t remember which end of the IR spectrum is &quot;far&quot; and which is &quot;near&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!!!  I&#8217;ve heard of polar jets coming from black holes, but not young stars.<br />
Oooh, I can&#8217;t wait &#8217;till the James Webb telescope goes up!! Moar infrared goodness and no coolant to run out! </p>
<p>Incidentally, is it just me, or do most of these infrared images look a bit blurry compared to their optical counterparts?  Are far infrared wavelengths long enough to limit the resolution of IR cameras?  For that matter, I can&#8217;t remember which end of the IR spectrum is &#8220;far&#8221; and which is &#8220;near&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That sort of information propagates through material at the speed of sound. &lt;/i&gt;

In space, Spitzer can hear you scream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That sort of information propagates through material at the speed of sound. </i></p>
<p>In space, Spitzer can hear you scream.</p>
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		<title>By: mfumbesi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfumbesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 05:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all my fault really, because I&#039;ve just imagined a baby spouting debris on both ends. I also added the smell and the sounds in my head.....ewww</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all my fault really, because I&#8217;ve just imagined a baby spouting debris on both ends. I also added the smell and the sounds in my head&#8230;..ewww</p>
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		<title>By: Mysteries of the Universe &#8211; Daily Mirror &#124; Flagstaff News and Weather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mysteries of the Universe &#8211; Daily Mirror &#124; Flagstaff News and Weather</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN_AT_LARGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN_AT_LARGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil Plait:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It’s possible, even likely, that 4.5 or so billion years ago, our own Sun looked very much like HH 34 when it was a baby.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Aww... oochy-woochy coochy-coo.* ;-)

*(&lt;a href=&quot;http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Friday&#039;s_Child_(episode)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From &lt;i&gt;Star Trek: TOS&lt;/i&gt; -- &quot;Friday&#039;s Child&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Plait:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>It’s possible, even likely, that 4.5 or so billion years ago, our own Sun looked very much like HH 34 when it was a baby.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Aww&#8230; oochy-woochy coochy-coo.* <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*(<a href="http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Friday's_Child_(episode)" rel="nofollow">From <i>Star Trek: TOS</i> &#8212; &#8220;Friday&#8217;s Child&#8221;</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you, I do like your alliterative title choice, BA ;-) 

Three questions I&#039;m really curious about if I may ask :

1) Can someone please enlighten us all as to what spectral class this star  is - or will become?Is Herbig Haro 34  a pre-main sequence star? Proto-star? T-Tauri /Fuor / nebular variable?  

2) How massive is Herbig Haro 34  versus the  solar mass? 

3) Do we have any more precise idea of HH 34&#039;s exact age other than &lt;i&gt;&quot;a few million&quot;&lt;/i&gt; years old? 

IOW,  When do we need to send it a birthdy a card &amp; how many candles on its cake!? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you, I do like your alliterative title choice, BA <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Three questions I&#8217;m really curious about if I may ask :</p>
<p>1) Can someone please enlighten us all as to what spectral class this star  is &#8211; or will become?Is Herbig Haro 34  a pre-main sequence star? Proto-star? T-Tauri /Fuor / nebular variable?  </p>
<p>2) How massive is Herbig Haro 34  versus the  solar mass? </p>
<p>3) Do we have any more precise idea of HH 34&#8242;s exact age other than <i>&#8220;a few million&#8221;</i> years old? </p>
<p>IOW,  When do we need to send it a birthdy a card &amp; how many candles on its cake!? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stunning images. Fascinating star*. Great write-up. :-)

But a rather unappealing analogy. :-o 

* Or is that proto-star? T-Tauri / Fuor stage? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stunning images. Fascinating star*. Great write-up. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But a rather unappealing analogy. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>* Or is that proto-star? T-Tauri / Fuor stage? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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