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	<title>Comments on: A (very) smart kid and a solid theory</title>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/08/a-very-smart-kid-and-a-solid-theory/comment-page-2/#comment-454183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because it has passed all the tests scietists have thrown at it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean its right. Maybe the scientists are just using the wrong tests.A lot of solid scientific theories have been disproved once scientists used the right tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because it has passed all the tests scietists have thrown at it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean its right. Maybe the scientists are just using the wrong tests.A lot of solid scientific theories have been disproved once scientists used the right tests.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiefley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiefley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Lisa Randall&#039;s (she is the most cited particle physicsts over the last few years)  new book, &quot;Knocking on Heaven&#039;s Door&quot;, she explains this problem of theory incompleteness with a term called &quot;Effective Theory&quot;.   For example, a Newtonian Physics is the effective theory for the range of phenomena that can be considered classical (slow enough and large enough).   Whereas Quantum Physics is the effective theory for the range of phenomena at the atomic level and below.

The term &quot;incomplete&quot; is a good one, in the sense that the effective theory for one range of phenomena is incomplete in terms of the entire range of known phenomena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Lisa Randall&#8217;s (she is the most cited particle physicsts over the last few years)  new book, &#8220;Knocking on Heaven&#8217;s Door&#8221;, she explains this problem of theory incompleteness with a term called &#8220;Effective Theory&#8221;.   For example, a Newtonian Physics is the effective theory for the range of phenomena that can be considered classical (slow enough and large enough).   Whereas Quantum Physics is the effective theory for the range of phenomena at the atomic level and below.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;incomplete&#8221; is a good one, in the sense that the effective theory for one range of phenomena is incomplete in terms of the entire range of known phenomena.</p>
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		<title>By: Observant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/08/a-very-smart-kid-and-a-solid-theory/comment-page-2/#comment-429319</link>
		<dc:creator>Observant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having never heard of this kid I just went and watched a few videos of him on youtube and whilst initialy his grasp of advanced math seemed impressive it very quickly became apparent that he appeared to not be solving problems but recalling them. What&#039;s the difference you might well ask? It&#039;s the difference in creatively solving a problem yourself or being able to read an instruction manual. Will he have the ability to imaginatively solve complex problems? His ability to recall complex functions and theories whilst like all eidetic memories is impressive it won&#039;t necessarily translate into the creative thinking necessary to be a visionary innervator. To people without this skill it seems like the child possess raw intelligence but is a database intelligent? I wish this kid every success in life you never know he might change the world, then again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having never heard of this kid I just went and watched a few videos of him on youtube and whilst initialy his grasp of advanced math seemed impressive it very quickly became apparent that he appeared to not be solving problems but recalling them. What&#8217;s the difference you might well ask? It&#8217;s the difference in creatively solving a problem yourself or being able to read an instruction manual. Will he have the ability to imaginatively solve complex problems? His ability to recall complex functions and theories whilst like all eidetic memories is impressive it won&#8217;t necessarily translate into the creative thinking necessary to be a visionary innervator. To people without this skill it seems like the child possess raw intelligence but is a database intelligent? I wish this kid every success in life you never know he might change the world, then again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@73: I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@73: I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@71.   Phillip Helbig :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Does any actual scientist take Kuhn’s idea of the paradigm shift as applicable to modern science seriously?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I don&#039;t know about real scientists but university lecturers and sociology /philosophy lecturers are nauseating keen on the &quot;paradigm&quot; word and have probably over-used and twisted it to metaphorical death. :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@71.   Phillip Helbig :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Does any actual scientist take Kuhn’s idea of the paradigm shift as applicable to modern science seriously?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about real scientists but university lecturers and sociology /philosophy lecturers are nauseating keen on the &#8220;paradigm&#8221; word and have probably over-used and twisted it to metaphorical death. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the big deal? OK, for someone who knows essentially nothing about physics, this might be above his level, and the kid is probably smarter than most his age.

However, if some university is recruiting him for a paid research position, that doesn&#039;t say much for that university.

He knows the buzzwords and has a basic understanding---no more and no less than any of the thousands of other kids who read popular science books.

He scores pretty high John Baez&#039;s crackpot index.

I don&#039;t see the point in exposing him to the world and trying to pass him off as the next genius.  (Note that Witten didn&#039;t enter physics until his 20s, having studied history first.)

What will happen to him?  He will probably become an engineer, make good but not great money but save a lot of it since he won&#039;t have many expenses, then retire early, become a crackpot and self-publish his unified-field theory and send me a complementary copy.

I hope that this doesn&#039;t happen to him.  One way to help prevent it is to try to get the parents to do a reality check.  Yes, all kids are not the same and yes some are smarter than others, but an above-average kid isn&#039;t necessarily going to solve the big problems in physics which many people who are a lot smarter haven&#039;t yet solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the big deal? OK, for someone who knows essentially nothing about physics, this might be above his level, and the kid is probably smarter than most his age.</p>
<p>However, if some university is recruiting him for a paid research position, that doesn&#8217;t say much for that university.</p>
<p>He knows the buzzwords and has a basic understanding&#8212;no more and no less than any of the thousands of other kids who read popular science books.</p>
<p>He scores pretty high John Baez&#8217;s crackpot index.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point in exposing him to the world and trying to pass him off as the next genius.  (Note that Witten didn&#8217;t enter physics until his 20s, having studied history first.)</p>
<p>What will happen to him?  He will probably become an engineer, make good but not great money but save a lot of it since he won&#8217;t have many expenses, then retire early, become a crackpot and self-publish his unified-field theory and send me a complementary copy.</p>
<p>I hope that this doesn&#8217;t happen to him.  One way to help prevent it is to try to get the parents to do a reality check.  Yes, all kids are not the same and yes some are smarter than others, but an above-average kid isn&#8217;t necessarily going to solve the big problems in physics which many people who are a lot smarter haven&#8217;t yet solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/08/a-very-smart-kid-and-a-solid-theory/comment-page-2/#comment-376226</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;Doesn’t Kuhn say (The Structure of Scientific Revolutions) that it’s the young and inexperienced that come up with the new theories because they haven’t been indoctinated by the old established “religion” of physics?&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

Yes, but Kuhn is wrong.  His paradigm shift happened a few times back when the church stopped burning people who disagreed with doctrine, but since then science has progressed via self-correction.

What are the two most important achievements of 20th century physics?  Many would say relativity and quantum mechanics.  Planck was steeped in the tradition of theoretical physics and was very conservative (scientifically).  Einstein said that he was radical once in his (scientific) life: the explanation of the photoelectric effect.  He was 36 when GR was published, hardly a young whippersnapper.

Can anyone come up with an example from the last, say, 200 years where Kuhn&#039;s analysis is anywhere near correct?

Kuhn&#039;s idea is either scientifically correct or not.  If not, then we can ignore it.  If it is, then by his own logic it is just a paradigm which will be replaced with another one once the establishment who worships Kuhn has died off.

Does any actual scientist take Kuhn&#039;s idea of the paradigm shift as applicable to modern science seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Doesn’t Kuhn say (The Structure of Scientific Revolutions) that it’s the young and inexperienced that come up with the new theories because they haven’t been indoctinated by the old established “religion” of physics?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes, but Kuhn is wrong.  His paradigm shift happened a few times back when the church stopped burning people who disagreed with doctrine, but since then science has progressed via self-correction.</p>
<p>What are the two most important achievements of 20th century physics?  Many would say relativity and quantum mechanics.  Planck was steeped in the tradition of theoretical physics and was very conservative (scientifically).  Einstein said that he was radical once in his (scientific) life: the explanation of the photoelectric effect.  He was 36 when GR was published, hardly a young whippersnapper.</p>
<p>Can anyone come up with an example from the last, say, 200 years where Kuhn&#8217;s analysis is anywhere near correct?</p>
<p>Kuhn&#8217;s idea is either scientifically correct or not.  If not, then we can ignore it.  If it is, then by his own logic it is just a paradigm which will be replaced with another one once the establishment who worships Kuhn has died off.</p>
<p>Does any actual scientist take Kuhn&#8217;s idea of the paradigm shift as applicable to modern science seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: db26</title>
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		<dc:creator>db26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it, we are in the dark ages really when it comes to outer space. It takes a larger container of &#039;gasoline&#039; than the total size of the shuttle just to get us out of the atmosphere...then the fuel is gone.-dark ages. We are no different in our theories now &#039;relatively speaking&#039; (pun intended)- to our ancestors thinking the Earth was flat. Similarly, believing in the idea of the Big Bang is a similar waste of time that is throwing everyone off reality for an indeterminate amount of time. How exactly did the BB explain the inirial expansion of the Universe to have occurred faster than the speed of light? I think space is infinately finite (think about it). Matter is being created and destroyed in its own time and space continuously. To think all matter was created from a single point is actually proposterous in my opinion. The Universe may look like a firework, but there is a 99.99999999999% chance that it is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it, we are in the dark ages really when it comes to outer space. It takes a larger container of &#8216;gasoline&#8217; than the total size of the shuttle just to get us out of the atmosphere&#8230;then the fuel is gone.-dark ages. We are no different in our theories now &#8216;relatively speaking&#8217; (pun intended)- to our ancestors thinking the Earth was flat. Similarly, believing in the idea of the Big Bang is a similar waste of time that is throwing everyone off reality for an indeterminate amount of time. How exactly did the BB explain the inirial expansion of the Universe to have occurred faster than the speed of light? I think space is infinately finite (think about it). Matter is being created and destroyed in its own time and space continuously. To think all matter was created from a single point is actually proposterous in my opinion. The Universe may look like a firework, but there is a 99.99999999999% chance that it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 64.   Dave : &lt;i&gt;Here’s hoping this extraordinary child will use his gift to do extraordinary things.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed. Well said &amp; seconded by me. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 64.   Dave : <i>Here’s hoping this extraordinary child will use his gift to do extraordinary things.</i></p>
<p>Indeed. Well said &amp; seconded by me. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, but to be clear, it was the author of the piece on the kid, not the kid himself who claimed that he may disprove Relativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, but to be clear, it was the author of the piece on the kid, not the kid himself who claimed that he may disprove Relativity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a PhD student at Purdue and hadn&#039;t heard of this kid (some people on here were mentioning that he supposedly went to Purdue). When I went to his mom&#039;s youtube channel, it&#039;s pretty obvious that he&#039;s from IUPUI, probably the Indy branch, which is a very different thing than the W. Lafayette campus of Purdue. I&#039;m not trying to knock IUPUI, which has many good programs, but just wanted to clarify for anyone curious like me. I&#039;ll have to figure out if we grew up in the same part of Indianapolis!

Most of these kid genius stories are overblown by the media, but, every once in a great while, the hype is fulfilled (see: Mozart). The kid sucks at piano (I&#039;m not very good but was much better at 12), but it looks like he&#039;ll have at least a decent future in physics. Hopefully he doesn&#039;t get burnt out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a PhD student at Purdue and hadn&#8217;t heard of this kid (some people on here were mentioning that he supposedly went to Purdue). When I went to his mom&#8217;s youtube channel, it&#8217;s pretty obvious that he&#8217;s from IUPUI, probably the Indy branch, which is a very different thing than the W. Lafayette campus of Purdue. I&#8217;m not trying to knock IUPUI, which has many good programs, but just wanted to clarify for anyone curious like me. I&#8217;ll have to figure out if we grew up in the same part of Indianapolis!</p>
<p>Most of these kid genius stories are overblown by the media, but, every once in a great while, the hype is fulfilled (see: Mozart). The kid sucks at piano (I&#8217;m not very good but was much better at 12), but it looks like he&#8217;ll have at least a decent future in physics. Hopefully he doesn&#8217;t get burnt out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats amusing, actually not amusing but rather depressing is reading some of the Comments on the his Utube channel...</description>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 05:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob Barnett reminds me of when I was in fifth grade, when I had the hubris to create extremely stupid theories after reading a few books on astrophysics and having a superficial understanding of calculus and limits. I quickly grew out of that phase, and now understand that one cannot freely divide by zero. I have now learnt the value of electricity and magnetism in physics, as Maxwell&#039;s equations were the primary motivations for Einstein&#039;s theory. I hope Barnett understands that to &quot;disprove&quot; relativity would require studying E&amp;M, which requires multivariable calculus. If he has reached that level, then he should study the equations to find flaws and try to derive the speed of light. Then he will understand why Einstein&#039;s theory is so difficult to disprove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob Barnett reminds me of when I was in fifth grade, when I had the hubris to create extremely stupid theories after reading a few books on astrophysics and having a superficial understanding of calculus and limits. I quickly grew out of that phase, and now understand that one cannot freely divide by zero. I have now learnt the value of electricity and magnetism in physics, as Maxwell&#8217;s equations were the primary motivations for Einstein&#8217;s theory. I hope Barnett understands that to &#8220;disprove&#8221; relativity would require studying E&amp;M, which requires multivariable calculus. If he has reached that level, then he should study the equations to find flaws and try to derive the speed of light. Then he will understand why Einstein&#8217;s theory is so difficult to disprove.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s hoping this extraordinary child will use his gift to do extraordinary things like resolve our understanding of Newton and Einstein&#039;s work to the next progression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping this extraordinary child will use his gift to do extraordinary things like resolve our understanding of Newton and Einstein&#8217;s work to the next progression.</p>
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		<title>By: RWG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole &quot;media prodigy&quot; thing isn&#039;t a new phenomena. You see these news stories every few years about child geniuses who are going to change the world. They almost always, without fail, make grandiose claims about upending the entire scientific establishment with their world-changing ideas. These claims are often the product of a life absent of a serious ego check, and with very little practical experience in scientific work.

Bold claims like this should tell you everything you need to know. Anyone who has ever had any practical experience with science as an occupations should be rolling their eyes at the standard public and media portrayal of science as some sort of closed society where academic masters rule over the universe with supreme conviction in their findings.

This isn&#039;t the case. Science is always &quot;at the drawing board,&quot; so to speak. This is how discoveries happen. Science is work. It&#039;s experimentation. It&#039;s putting your ideas to the test, and then having others do the same. It isn&#039;t about making bold proclamations and challenging everyone else to prove you wrong. If this kid pursues as career in science, he&#039;ll probably look back on his current statements as those of a smart, but inexperienced kid.

If he starts doing work in any field of physics or astronomy, he&#039;ll quickly realize that the things he claims as being &quot;wrong&quot; do, in fact, work quite well. He&#039;ll quickly realize that the universe does not conform to our preconceptions or beliefs about how it should or should not work. He&#039;ll learn to rely on what is, not what he imagines.

Hopefully, he&#039;ll break the curse of &quot;child geniuses&quot; and move on to some truly innovative and productive work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole &#8220;media prodigy&#8221; thing isn&#8217;t a new phenomena. You see these news stories every few years about child geniuses who are going to change the world. They almost always, without fail, make grandiose claims about upending the entire scientific establishment with their world-changing ideas. These claims are often the product of a life absent of a serious ego check, and with very little practical experience in scientific work.</p>
<p>Bold claims like this should tell you everything you need to know. Anyone who has ever had any practical experience with science as an occupations should be rolling their eyes at the standard public and media portrayal of science as some sort of closed society where academic masters rule over the universe with supreme conviction in their findings.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the case. Science is always &#8220;at the drawing board,&#8221; so to speak. This is how discoveries happen. Science is work. It&#8217;s experimentation. It&#8217;s putting your ideas to the test, and then having others do the same. It isn&#8217;t about making bold proclamations and challenging everyone else to prove you wrong. If this kid pursues as career in science, he&#8217;ll probably look back on his current statements as those of a smart, but inexperienced kid.</p>
<p>If he starts doing work in any field of physics or astronomy, he&#8217;ll quickly realize that the things he claims as being &#8220;wrong&#8221; do, in fact, work quite well. He&#8217;ll quickly realize that the universe does not conform to our preconceptions or beliefs about how it should or should not work. He&#8217;ll learn to rely on what is, not what he imagines.</p>
<p>Hopefully, he&#8217;ll break the curse of &#8220;child geniuses&#8221; and move on to some truly innovative and productive work.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael L (34) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@28 NAW:
He is in UNIVERSITY at 12 years old!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This proves nothing.  He might know exactly the same amount of stuff as all of ghis contemporaries, but because he has specialised he is at University level in his one specialist subject.  While his contemporaries also know some stuff from areas like history, English lit, geography, biology and so on.

&lt;blockquote&gt; What more PROOF do you need that the kid is a frackin’ genius?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, perhaps some proof that he understands what he is talking about.  As Viggen (23) points out, there is not much evidence in the videos that he understands what he is saying.  It&#039;s all very well being able to manipulate equations, but understanding them is something separate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael L (34) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>@28 NAW:<br />
He is in UNIVERSITY at 12 years old!</p></blockquote>
<p>This proves nothing.  He might know exactly the same amount of stuff as all of ghis contemporaries, but because he has specialised he is at University level in his one specialist subject.  While his contemporaries also know some stuff from areas like history, English lit, geography, biology and so on.</p>
<blockquote><p> What more PROOF do you need that the kid is a frackin’ genius?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, perhaps some proof that he understands what he is talking about.  As Viggen (23) points out, there is not much evidence in the videos that he understands what he is saying.  It&#8217;s all very well being able to manipulate equations, but understanding them is something separate.</p>
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		<title>By: TechyDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechyDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan Brown,

I wouldn&#039;t use the term &quot;wrong&quot;, I&#039;d use the term &quot;accurate.&quot;  Newton&#039;s equations aren&#039;t 100% accurate even when dealing with every day masses/speeds.  Still, the accuracy is so high that you don&#039;t need to worry about the 0.0000001% lack of accuracy.*

Similarly, 3.14 isn&#039;t a 100% accurate version of Pi, but it&#039;ll do if you need two digit accuracy in your result.

Thus, Relativity might not be 100% accurate, but it is accurate enough for pretty much everything except the very small (where Quantum Mechanics comes into play).  If Relativity is &quot;replaced&quot; it will be by a set of formulas which will reduce down to Relativity for non-QM-sized objects (and reduce further to Newton&#039;s equations for small enough speeds/masses).

* Completely made up number.  Feel free to spend the time figuring out the right accuracy difference and substitute it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan Brown,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t use the term &#8220;wrong&#8221;, I&#8217;d use the term &#8220;accurate.&#8221;  Newton&#8217;s equations aren&#8217;t 100% accurate even when dealing with every day masses/speeds.  Still, the accuracy is so high that you don&#8217;t need to worry about the 0.0000001% lack of accuracy.*</p>
<p>Similarly, 3.14 isn&#8217;t a 100% accurate version of Pi, but it&#8217;ll do if you need two digit accuracy in your result.</p>
<p>Thus, Relativity might not be 100% accurate, but it is accurate enough for pretty much everything except the very small (where Quantum Mechanics comes into play).  If Relativity is &#8220;replaced&#8221; it will be by a set of formulas which will reduce down to Relativity for non-QM-sized objects (and reduce further to Newton&#8217;s equations for small enough speeds/masses).</p>
<p>* Completely made up number.  Feel free to spend the time figuring out the right accuracy difference and substitute it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly what pontoppi #46 says: 

&quot;I worry about the effects the attention will have on young master Barnett, who might well burn out or buckle under the pressure. Hopefully he has a mentor who can throttle down a little, work on his humility and creativity and allow his technical skills and maturity to grow at the same pace. Otherwise, I fear we will never see Barnett as an adult member of the scientific community, and that would be a terrible waste of talent.&quot;

It happens all too frequently, and it remains a tragedy to science and the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what pontoppi #46 says: </p>
<p>&#8220;I worry about the effects the attention will have on young master Barnett, who might well burn out or buckle under the pressure. Hopefully he has a mentor who can throttle down a little, work on his humility and creativity and allow his technical skills and maturity to grow at the same pace. Otherwise, I fear we will never see Barnett as an adult member of the scientific community, and that would be a terrible waste of talent.&#8221;</p>
<p>It happens all too frequently, and it remains a tragedy to science and the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, IF that poor kid ever manages to crawl out from under the wreckage his mother and the media has already placed him (to be sure, a pretty rotten situation for even mature adults to handle) and manages to properly excell and mature UNDISTRACTED by this nonsense to become a worthy contributor to science with his emotional mind intact, THEN you may look forward to: 

&quot;...seeing what Barnett can do in the next few years. If he can garner the insight and the imagination needed to marry QM and relativity, to unite these two seemingly immiscible fields, then I will happily cheer him on as he accepts his Nobel Prize.&quot;

Are you anywhere near half serious???

This kid is smart, sure, yet he&#039;s now been denied the full potential of his future because his mom bragged about him and the media frenzy took over and he is now compelled to defend himself against media distortion and other distractions no 12 year old kid should EVER have to undergo!

And all you have to say is:

&quot;But that’s a whole different ballgame than proving it wrong.&quot;

As if it was all about what that little kid might have come up with...instead of the horror he&#039;s going through.

I always thought that you had a better capacity to recognize the actual issue. That&#039;s really depressing for a Monday morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, IF that poor kid ever manages to crawl out from under the wreckage his mother and the media has already placed him (to be sure, a pretty rotten situation for even mature adults to handle) and manages to properly excell and mature UNDISTRACTED by this nonsense to become a worthy contributor to science with his emotional mind intact, THEN you may look forward to: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;seeing what Barnett can do in the next few years. If he can garner the insight and the imagination needed to marry QM and relativity, to unite these two seemingly immiscible fields, then I will happily cheer him on as he accepts his Nobel Prize.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you anywhere near half serious???</p>
<p>This kid is smart, sure, yet he&#8217;s now been denied the full potential of his future because his mom bragged about him and the media frenzy took over and he is now compelled to defend himself against media distortion and other distractions no 12 year old kid should EVER have to undergo!</p>
<p>And all you have to say is:</p>
<p>&#8220;But that’s a whole different ballgame than proving it wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>As if it was all about what that little kid might have come up with&#8230;instead of the horror he&#8217;s going through.</p>
<p>I always thought that you had a better capacity to recognize the actual issue. That&#8217;s really depressing for a Monday morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@1.   Leon : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;If I expand an idea, how does that possibly prove it wrong? I’m *expanding* *the* *idea*, not disproving it. How about we try this in a non-scientific context so the editor won’t be confused?
“President Expands The U.S. military, Thinks He Can Prove It Wrong”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Better yet :

&#039;Heat expands seawater, proves it wrong!&#039; ;-)

Or best of all : Hot air expands, proves it wrong!&#039; ;-) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1.   Leon : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>If I expand an idea, how does that possibly prove it wrong? I’m *expanding* *the* *idea*, not disproving it. How about we try this in a non-scientific context so the editor won’t be confused?<br />
“President Expands The U.S. military, Thinks He Can Prove It Wrong”</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Better yet :</p>
<p>&#8216;Heat expands seawater, proves it wrong!&#8217; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or best of all : Hot air expands, proves it wrong!&#8217; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Cosmist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cosmist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His revolutionary theory involves &quot;multi-dimensional space&quot;?  As opposed to what??  I love the hubris of a 12 year old trying to overthrow Einstein, but something tells me this is all ridiculous hype by people who know little physics and are easily fooled by a clever-sounding kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His revolutionary theory involves &#8220;multi-dimensional space&#8221;?  As opposed to what??  I love the hubris of a 12 year old trying to overthrow Einstein, but something tells me this is all ridiculous hype by people who know little physics and are easily fooled by a clever-sounding kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait gets it wrong &#171; Occluded Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Plait gets it wrong &#171; Occluded Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A (very) smart kid and a solid theory But when you start to approach the speed of light, or deal with masses that are very large, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 12-Year-old Aspie math genius. &#171; Life in ASPERGATORY</title>
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		<dc:creator>12-Year-old Aspie math genius. &#171; Life in ASPERGATORY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] morning I went over my daily blogroll and stumbled upon this article by Phil Plait on &#8220;Bad Astronomy.&#8221;  He is reporting on a story that circulating about a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: panini</title>
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		<dc:creator>panini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched a bunch of this kid&#039;s videos because he was mentioned on The skeptics&#039; guide to the universe. He&#039;s smart and it&#039;s great that he&#039;s interested in science, but his comments are pretty much gibberish. Too bad some journalists are less educated than this boy and can&#039;t write about science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a bunch of this kid&#8217;s videos because he was mentioned on The skeptics&#8217; guide to the universe. He&#8217;s smart and it&#8217;s great that he&#8217;s interested in science, but his comments are pretty much gibberish. Too bad some journalists are less educated than this boy and can&#8217;t write about science.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 04:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DrFlimmer
Thanks for the spoiler!  Idiot....</description>
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Thanks for the spoiler!  Idiot&#8230;.</p>
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