Comments on: Homeopathy slammed by Australian TV news show

By: Mark Hansen

Mark Hansen — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:18:43 +0000

Nancy, Australians may seem backward to you because we don’t like the sound of unadulterated BS. Such as…

“…Do you know there are Dr.s of Homeopathy that know how to stop cancer, they know sugar feeds cancer, but when they treat people and it works, the Medical societys and the pharmasuiticals lobbys even cause them to lose their medical license…”
Citations please, not “I heard it from a friend” or “I read it on whale.to”

“…what do you think Aspirin is, ? It is an old remady from long ago and has proven to be a great remady for pain, inflammation…”
Amazing! I really must ask my doctor about this. Oh wait, he probably already knows this as do most people that take anywhere up to 5 minutes to look this old fact up. Not something that homeopaths actually discovered though. There may have been a scientist or two involved. Here’s another one; vitamin C cures scurvy. Just wait until Big Pharma learns about that!

“…Homeopathy can help people with M.S.and it teaches eating of the proper foods that will help any condiction you have…”

Homeopaths may well teach people the benefits of a proper diet. Oddly enough, doctors aren’t afraid to dispense the same information. Doctors do not, however, claim that eating a proper diet will help every condition. Homeopaths may do so; if they do, they are wrong. Oh, and the M.S. being helped with homeopathy; citations please.

Simply put, if homeopaths could do all of the marvellous things you claim, they would not have any need to claim that properly controlled, double-blind studies don’t let homepathy show its true benefits. And they’re not afraid to make a s***-load of money out of nothing either. Look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum . So much for the Davidian struggle of homeopathy against the Goliathean Big Pharma.

By: nancy baker

nancy baker — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 01:05:16 +0000

I am amazed that Austrailians seem to be so backward, Do you know there are Dr.s of Homeopathy
that know how to stop cancer, they know sugar feeds cancer, but when they treat people and it works,
the Medical societys and the pharmasuiticals lobbys even cause them to lose their medical license,
they are so afraid of losing money themselves, now do you see how it works and why they are discredited. I personally handle my own high blood pressure, by taking combinations of different herbs and vitamins, and YES I am doing great, people who are on prescription drugs, are the ones with the problems, of all the side effects, what do you think Aspirin is, ? It is an old remady from long ago and has proven to be a great remady for pain, inflammation. Homeopathy can help people with M.S.and it teaches eating of the proper foods that will help any condiction you have. So get real people and stop being afraid of everything, you are probably related to the people who burned witches because they didnot understand or lisen to all the nay-sayers . donot be afraid of something that can help you. Nancy

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By: ND

ND — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 02:50:10 +0000

Andrew W,

I think i mixed you up with ScepticsBane there with regard to quantum mechanics. But there are issues with what you have been arguing, particularly with people buying these products. The evidence for or against homeopathy is important when these products are pitched to customers.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:47:34 +0000

People keep trying to build strawmen so they can rationalize that my very simple position is actually something other than it is so that they’ll have something nice and simple to argue with.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:39:54 +0000

ND, go back to the start of the thread, I’m not claiming any effects for homeopathy outside of the placebo effect, and yes, the placebo effect is real and testable.

By: ND

ND — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:53:06 +0000

Andrew W,

The description of homeopathy implies a natural phenomenon that can be investigated critically. It’s supposed to be a repeatable and reproducible phenomenon, which is something that can be scientifically investigated.

@121, you’re admitting that homeopathy is simply placebo. This moves away from the water memory and quantum mechanics jibberish used to try and explain homeopathy.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:40:46 +0000

“And as far as real estate agents and used car salesmen go, if they get caught making false claims, they are dealt with. As were the homeopaths in that first link of mine.”

yep.

I’ll leave it to you to find homeopaths who lie about scientific backing, then you can have the pleasure of reporting their fraud to the appropriate authorities.

By: Mark Hansen

Mark Hansen — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:27:08 +0000

Andrew, your position in 116 was if the homeopaths were honest about the lack of scientific backing, it would be ok. Did you look for any homeopaths that were honest about the lack of scientific backing? Did you find any? I suspect not as you haven’t posted a link to any. They evade the issue by not saying whether homeopathy is backed up by science or not.

And as far as real estate agents and used car salesmen go, if they get caught making false claims, they are dealt with. As were the homeopaths in that first link of mine.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:05:23 +0000

To expand on the above comment.
I’ve no doubt that people get a response to homeopathy through the placebo effect, the placebo effect can be enhanced through the use of rituals, as described in my link to macdoctor above (#27). Mark Hansen’s links usefully cover the rituals used in homeopathy, the “treating the whole person”, even “the whole family” sort of stuff. If scientists want to study the preparations to prove there’s no active ingredient they’ll find there’s no active ingredient. (heh, writing that reminds me of the “secret ingredient” of Kungfu Panda, which is pretty much the same thing, the self belief, mind over body stuff).