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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/05/02/just-for-now/#comment-289762</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 12:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#138 Shane: So who cares if he wasn&#039;t armed? Neither were the 3000 innocent people who were murdered by his lackeys!
And FYI, my country doesn&#039;t execute anyone! I&#039;m not American: I&#039;m British. My country hasn&#039;t had the death penalty since 1965 - but I for one am 100% in favour of reinstating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#138 Shane: So who cares if he wasn&#8217;t armed? Neither were the 3000 innocent people who were murdered by his lackeys!<br />
And FYI, my country doesn&#8217;t execute anyone! I&#8217;m not American: I&#8217;m British. My country hasn&#8217;t had the death penalty since 1965 &#8211; but I for one am 100% in favour of reinstating it.</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/05/02/just-for-now/#comment-289761</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 03:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 96 Quiet Desperation
&lt;blockquote&gt;The type of morally equivalent thinking you exhibit has enabled more horrors throughout history than those who are able to run a simple moral sort algorithm.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, right on! God save us from morally equivalent thinking! If only Hitler* &amp; Stalin &amp; Pol Pot &amp; the Inquisition &amp; the Crusaders &amp; Joseph McCarthy &amp; Osama Bin Laden... hadn&#039;t indulged in so much namby-pamby morally equivalent thinking - if only they&#039;d been a little more &lt;b&gt;sure&lt;/b&gt; of their own self-righteousness - everything would have been fine. (/sarcasm)

Srsly. WTF are you talking about??

The greatest horrors in history aren&#039;t due to &quot;morally equivalent thinking&quot; - they&#039;re due to the EXACT OPPOSITE.

(* Please spare me bleating about Godwin)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 96 Quiet Desperation</p>
<blockquote><p>The type of morally equivalent thinking you exhibit has enabled more horrors throughout history than those who are able to run a simple moral sort algorithm.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, right on! God save us from morally equivalent thinking! If only Hitler* &amp; Stalin &amp; Pol Pot &amp; the Inquisition &amp; the Crusaders &amp; Joseph McCarthy &amp; Osama Bin Laden&#8230; hadn&#8217;t indulged in so much namby-pamby morally equivalent thinking &#8211; if only they&#8217;d been a little more <b>sure</b> of their own self-righteousness &#8211; everything would have been fine. (/sarcasm)</p>
<p>Srsly. WTF are you talking about??</p>
<p>The greatest horrors in history aren&#8217;t due to &#8220;morally equivalent thinking&#8221; &#8211; they&#8217;re due to the EXACT OPPOSITE.</p>
<p>(* Please spare me bleating about Godwin)</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/05/02/just-for-now/#comment-289760</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 04:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, don&#039;t believe all the reports yet. Wait till the dust has settled. No wifely human shields apparently. Not armed either although the latest report has him going for a weapon.

Having said that I have no problem with him being taken out this way. However, bizarrely for some I guess, if he&#039;d been captured I&#039;d hope he wouldn&#039;t get the death penalty. Your country does tend to execute with depressing regularity and that is state sponsored murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, don&#8217;t believe all the reports yet. Wait till the dust has settled. No wifely human shields apparently. Not armed either although the latest report has him going for a weapon.</p>
<p>Having said that I have no problem with him being taken out this way. However, bizarrely for some I guess, if he&#8217;d been captured I&#8217;d hope he wouldn&#8217;t get the death penalty. Your country does tend to execute with depressing regularity and that is state sponsored murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 Stephen Mackenzie:
No, the US does not &quot;assassinate its political opponents&quot;. It has assassinated a revolting piece of criminal scum, who was behind the mass murder of thousands of innocent people.

#86 Bob:
You cried for him???? Are you &lt;i&gt;serious?&lt;/i&gt; Do you really think any of us should have any sympathy for that piece of sub-human slime? He ordered the indiscriminate slaughter of thousands, and brainwashed others into doing his dirty work for him.

As for him becoming a martyr; as I understand it, when the end came, he couldn&#039;t even die like a man. He died as the coward he always was, cowering in a corner and callously using his own wife as a human shield! Really brave, huh?
All you bleeding heart types, please tell me one single reason why this odious apology for a human being should have been allowed to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 Stephen Mackenzie:<br />
No, the US does not &#8220;assassinate its political opponents&#8221;. It has assassinated a revolting piece of criminal scum, who was behind the mass murder of thousands of innocent people.</p>
<p>#86 Bob:<br />
You cried for him???? Are you <i>serious?</i> Do you really think any of us should have any sympathy for that piece of sub-human slime? He ordered the indiscriminate slaughter of thousands, and brainwashed others into doing his dirty work for him.</p>
<p>As for him becoming a martyr; as I understand it, when the end came, he couldn&#8217;t even die like a man. He died as the coward he always was, cowering in a corner and callously using his own wife as a human shield! Really brave, huh?<br />
All you bleeding heart types, please tell me one single reason why this odious apology for a human being should have been allowed to live.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 11:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a bit sorry that OBL is dead.  He epitomized Pasqual&#039;s quote: &quot;Men never do evil as completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.&quot;

I get the distinct impression, though, that a very substantial proportion of Muslims (perhaps even a majority of them) are also glad that this monster is dead.

I can&#039;t help wondering how the terrorists reconcile the death of so many of Al Qaeda&#039;s top leadership, and the detection and foiling of so many of their attempts to pull off terrorist acts, with their belief that Allah is on their side.  Surely some of them must be wondering, if they fail as often as they do, if maybe they are mistaken about Allah really condoning their actions.  If Allah is omnipotent, how can they fail as often as they do if Allah approves of their efforts?

@Greg Fish: &quot;They don’t care about civilian casualties, believing them to be either just because the bystanders “were enemy sympathizers or worked with the enemy,” or waiving them away.&quot;

I think it is even worse than that.  I&#039;m sure they figure that even if the civilian bystanders who were casualties were totally &quot;innocent&quot; from the terrorists&#039; perspective, it doesn&#039;t matter because, Allah will sort the innocent out and send them to a martyr&#039;s reward in Paradise where they would be better off and happier than they could have been in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a bit sorry that OBL is dead.  He epitomized Pasqual&#8217;s quote: &#8220;Men never do evil as completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.&#8221;</p>
<p>I get the distinct impression, though, that a very substantial proportion of Muslims (perhaps even a majority of them) are also glad that this monster is dead.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help wondering how the terrorists reconcile the death of so many of Al Qaeda&#8217;s top leadership, and the detection and foiling of so many of their attempts to pull off terrorist acts, with their belief that Allah is on their side.  Surely some of them must be wondering, if they fail as often as they do, if maybe they are mistaken about Allah really condoning their actions.  If Allah is omnipotent, how can they fail as often as they do if Allah approves of their efforts?</p>
<p>@Greg Fish: &#8220;They don’t care about civilian casualties, believing them to be either just because the bystanders “were enemy sympathizers or worked with the enemy,” or waiving them away.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it is even worse than that.  I&#8217;m sure they figure that even if the civilian bystanders who were casualties were totally &#8220;innocent&#8221; from the terrorists&#8217; perspective, it doesn&#8217;t matter because, Allah will sort the innocent out and send them to a martyr&#8217;s reward in Paradise where they would be better off and happier than they could have been in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/05/02/just-for-now/#comment-289757</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 05:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osama bin Laden&#039;s death is great news for the world, the USA and Anglosphere in particular. :-)

It may be impossible for any man to be entirely 100% evil but OBL came about as close to being that as it is possible to get - so good riddance to him. The world is a better - perhaps not safer - but better place without that mass murdering pyschopathic source of evil in it.

The American people&#039;s celebrations of this news were entirley natural and human reactiosn and quite understandable. Quiet reflection is also a reasonable and justifiable resposne - people react in different, individual ways most of them legitimate.

I think its a shame &amp; a bad move that they buried bin Laden at sea though.  Had I been running things his wishes and his religions customs  would&#039;ve been last on the list of priorities. I&#039;d have taken his corpse back inside a pig carcass full of alcohol and publicly displayed it until the stink got unbearable then had it cremated with the ashes being put in a garbage bag full of &quot;barker eggs&quot;, bacon rinds and pork bones then disposed of a New York landfill. Good luck making that a shrine! :-P

Yes, that would&#039;ve been provocative and stirred the  Muslims up plenty - but know what? I really don&#039;t care what the Muslims think.  I respect their culture as much as they do ours - which is not at all. Besides, its really not like they could possibly  hate us any more than they already do.

@ 119.   Dave, England, #120.  Jack C, #114.  &amp; #96  Quiet Desperation &amp;  #65.   Joseph G : Well said - &amp; seconded by me. :-)

@86.   bob : &lt;i&gt; &quot;I cried for Bin Laden. I am not sure why. I think I just felt that SOMEONE should, and nobody else was going to.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong. Lots of people cried for bin Laden - the Jihadist terrorists of Al Quaida first and loudest of all. Kahild Sheik Mohammad would&#039;ve weept withothers inGuantanamo bay, Ayman al-Zawahiri probably sobbed and trembled where-ever he&#039;s hiding and there&#039;d have been a day of mourning and gnashing of teeth in Hamas-ruled Gaza. Plus I think Fred Phelps &amp; Jeremiah Wright may have shed a quiet tear or two. Feel happy to be in that company do you?

Did you cry for the people bin Laden killed in all his terror attacks from the embassy bombings in Africa to 9-11 and beyond too?

The only tears that should rightfully have been shed for this mass -murderer are those of joy. I&#039;m sure his wives (plural) sobbed outwardly but quite possibly felt happiness deep in their own secret hearts to be free of him. Many of Osma bin Laden&#039;s own family rejected him and adopted Western values.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osama bin Laden&#8217;s death is great news for the world, the USA and Anglosphere in particular. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It may be impossible for any man to be entirely 100% evil but OBL came about as close to being that as it is possible to get &#8211; so good riddance to him. The world is a better &#8211; perhaps not safer &#8211; but better place without that mass murdering pyschopathic source of evil in it.</p>
<p>The American people&#8217;s celebrations of this news were entirley natural and human reactiosn and quite understandable. Quiet reflection is also a reasonable and justifiable resposne &#8211; people react in different, individual ways most of them legitimate.</p>
<p>I think its a shame &amp; a bad move that they buried bin Laden at sea though.  Had I been running things his wishes and his religions customs  would&#8217;ve been last on the list of priorities. I&#8217;d have taken his corpse back inside a pig carcass full of alcohol and publicly displayed it until the stink got unbearable then had it cremated with the ashes being put in a garbage bag full of &#8220;barker eggs&#8221;, bacon rinds and pork bones then disposed of a New York landfill. Good luck making that a shrine! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, that would&#8217;ve been provocative and stirred the  Muslims up plenty &#8211; but know what? I really don&#8217;t care what the Muslims think.  I respect their culture as much as they do ours &#8211; which is not at all. Besides, its really not like they could possibly  hate us any more than they already do.</p>
<p>@ 119.   Dave, England, #120.  Jack C, #114.  &amp; #96  Quiet Desperation &amp;  #65.   Joseph G : Well said &#8211; &amp; seconded by me. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@86.   bob : <i> &#8220;I cried for Bin Laden. I am not sure why. I think I just felt that SOMEONE should, and nobody else was going to.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Wrong. Lots of people cried for bin Laden &#8211; the Jihadist terrorists of Al Quaida first and loudest of all. Kahild Sheik Mohammad would&#8217;ve weept withothers inGuantanamo bay, Ayman al-Zawahiri probably sobbed and trembled where-ever he&#8217;s hiding and there&#8217;d have been a day of mourning and gnashing of teeth in Hamas-ruled Gaza. Plus I think Fred Phelps &amp; Jeremiah Wright may have shed a quiet tear or two. Feel happy to be in that company do you?</p>
<p>Did you cry for the people bin Laden killed in all his terror attacks from the embassy bombings in Africa to 9-11 and beyond too?</p>
<p>The only tears that should rightfully have been shed for this mass -murderer are those of joy. I&#8217;m sure his wives (plural) sobbed outwardly but quite possibly felt happiness deep in their own secret hearts to be free of him. Many of Osma bin Laden&#8217;s own family rejected him and adopted Western values.</p>
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		<title>By: Cougarcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cougarcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael Here&#039;s a link to the full Darrow quotation: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/05/how-to-explain-to-your-kids-why-its-ok-to-celebrate-osama-bin-ladens-death/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael Here&#8217;s a link to the full Darrow quotation: <a href="http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/05/how-to-explain-to-your-kids-why-its-ok-to-celebrate-osama-bin-ladens-death/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/05/how-to-explain-to-your-kids-why-its-ok-to-celebrate-osama-bin-ladens-death/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pithy quotes never built a barn.

I totally just made that up on the spot. :-) Me = awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pithy quotes never built a barn.</p>
<p>I totally just made that up on the spot. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Me = awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: tracer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will note that in the wake of the news, the &quot;America, F*** Yeah!&quot; video on YouTube (the one using the song from _Team America, World Police_) had a noticeable upward spike in its hit count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will note that in the wake of the news, the &#8220;America, F*** Yeah!&#8221; video on YouTube (the one using the song from _Team America, World Police_) had a noticeable upward spike in its hit count.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheyenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joann - MLK jr never said that. It&#039;s a fake quote running &#039;round the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joann &#8211; MLK jr never said that. It&#8217;s a fake quote running &#8217;round the net.</p>
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