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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something reassuring about these pictures. The first time I saw these I was absolutely gobsmacked. So beautiful at these wavelengths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something reassuring about these pictures. The first time I saw these I was absolutely gobsmacked. So beautiful at these wavelengths.</p>
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		<title>By: Mud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 16:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow those are beautiful. I just wish those images existed 5 years ago. I did an undergraduate research project on star-formation in M51 and M83 and we struggled to get high-res IR images in order to correct for internal reddening. I got a little pang of &quot;if-only!&quot; when I saw those two.

Also, just adding to what Nigel said: the spiral arms are not so much the result of spin as a region with a high density of stars most likely due to density waves; density waves could have a number of causes, for example, an interaction with a nearby companion galaxy (which is quite likely for M51).

But whatever; they&#039;re pretty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow those are beautiful. I just wish those images existed 5 years ago. I did an undergraduate research project on star-formation in M51 and M83 and we struggled to get high-res IR images in order to correct for internal reddening. I got a little pang of &#8220;if-only!&#8221; when I saw those two.</p>
<p>Also, just adding to what Nigel said: the spiral arms are not so much the result of spin as a region with a high density of stars most likely due to density waves; density waves could have a number of causes, for example, an interaction with a nearby companion galaxy (which is quite likely for M51).</p>
<p>But whatever; they&#8217;re pretty!</p>
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		<title>By: Regner Trampedach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regner Trampedach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 19:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS @ 2: The black holes at the centers of galaxies, monstreous as they are, actually contribute a rather minor part to the mass (and gravitational well) of a galaxy.  On average the mass of the black hole is just one thousandth of the mass of the galaxy&#039;s bulge (the central concentration of stars - not including arms (for spirals) or extended halos). You often see statements like &quot;the galaxy anchored by the super-massive black hole at its center&quot; - which is just as sensible as saying that you anchor the Earth to your boat :-)
Sam H. @ 3, 20: PAHs are not an element - not even a chemical, but a wide family of chemicals and are parts of petrochemicals, their derivatives and their byproducts from burning, as you state. And they are also found &quot;out there&quot; :-)  and were probably also part of the origin of life here on Earth. Just as the night-shade family include some of the most eaten foods on Earth, as well  as a most potent toxin.
     Cheers, Regner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS @ 2: The black holes at the centers of galaxies, monstreous as they are, actually contribute a rather minor part to the mass (and gravitational well) of a galaxy.  On average the mass of the black hole is just one thousandth of the mass of the galaxy&#8217;s bulge (the central concentration of stars &#8211; not including arms (for spirals) or extended halos). You often see statements like &#8220;the galaxy anchored by the super-massive black hole at its center&#8221; &#8211; which is just as sensible as saying that you anchor the Earth to your boat <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Sam H. @ 3, 20: PAHs are not an element &#8211; not even a chemical, but a wide family of chemicals and are parts of petrochemicals, their derivatives and their byproducts from burning, as you state. And they are also found &#8220;out there&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   and were probably also part of the origin of life here on Earth. Just as the night-shade family include some of the most eaten foods on Earth, as well  as a most potent toxin.<br />
     Cheers, Regner</p>
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		<title>By: Sam H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 14:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13 Messier: Gulf oil spill reference. If I read correctly, PAHs were one of the more harmful chemicals being spewed out (or formed after being spewed out, dunno), and are also one of the chemicals some think may have played a part in the origin of life, so I was just reminiscing. :)

@19 Nigel: Why, half a WITCH of course!!! :D ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 Messier: Gulf oil spill reference. If I read correctly, PAHs were one of the more harmful chemicals being spewed out (or formed after being spewed out, dunno), and are also one of the chemicals some think may have played a part in the origin of life, so I was just reminiscing. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@19 Nigel: Why, half a WITCH of course!!! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 11:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MTU (15) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t believe there’s such a thing as a dumb question.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s the difference between a duck?</description>
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<blockquote><p>I don’t believe there’s such a thing as a dumb question.</p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a duck?</p>
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		<title>By: Les Dalrymple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Dalrymple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 05:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just the picky editor in me but I notice the top three galaxies are all labelled with Messier designations, while the balance are labelled with NGC designations. Yet NGC 628 (centre left) is also a Messier object -- M74. I wonder why it did not receive a Messier label? Just curious.

L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just the picky editor in me but I notice the top three galaxies are all labelled with Messier designations, while the balance are labelled with NGC designations. Yet NGC 628 (centre left) is also a Messier object &#8212; M74. I wonder why it did not receive a Messier label? Just curious.</p>
<p>L.</p>
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		<title>By: jess tauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>jess tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 05:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  I for one welcome our The Artist Formerly Known as the Bad Astronomer overlords!  Bow mortals! Drink Gloog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  I for one welcome our The Artist Formerly Known as the Bad Astronomer overlords!  Bow mortals! Drink Gloog!</p>
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		<title>By: gdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not care one whit about your opinions good astronomy. I read your blog because it is ostensibly about BAD astronomy. I know you can boost your end of the month numbers with these posts but really get back to bad astronomy and skepticism and leave this stuff to people who can never blog about moon landing hoax theories and anti-vax &quot;stars&quot; and death from the skies.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not care one whit about your opinions good astronomy. I read your blog because it is ostensibly about BAD astronomy. I know you can boost your end of the month numbers with these posts but really get back to bad astronomy and skepticism and leave this stuff to people who can never blog about moon landing hoax theories and anti-vax &#8220;stars&#8221; and death from the skies. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh. Typos. Sorry. That&#039;s supposed to read :

&lt;blockquote&gt;Please [#5 Ian] offer him and &lt;b&gt;his&lt;/b&gt; team a very big thankyou from me. Love the WISE work! One of my favourite missions and very much appreciated.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Incidentally, I watched the launch of WISE - over the internet on NASA-TVwhich was one of the first one&#039;s I viewed like that  so remember it well and have followed it closely since. I&#039;m still hoping the WISE data will lead to a nearby brown dwarf or two turning up perhaps even one closer than Proxima Centauri. Don&#039;t suppose you can give us here any hints or scoops at all can you? ;-)

@11.   Joel :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;@ Egaeus (6) – NGC 6822, aka Barnard’s Galaxy, is an awkward one. First, it’s a very small galaxy. It definitely has a central bar, and there is what appears to be a small and vague single arm, more obvious in visible light. .. [SNIP] .. It’s usually classed as a barred irregular, but that’s an odd sort of group on the edges of spirals. It’s also very, very similar in appearance to the Large Magellanic Cloud, which may have originally been more spirally before getting distorted by the Milky Way. NGC 6822 is part of the local group, but I’m not sure how close it is to any other larger Galaxies which may or may not have affected it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Informative comment - thanks. :-)

The LMC definitely has  spiral structure of sorts in my book &amp; looks like a barred spiral albeit a small &amp; disrupted one to me.

@2.  PS :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I have two questions about these pics from a minimally educated though highly inquisitive mind:

1) The spiral shapes are due to a “spin” and we believe that the spin is generated by super massive black holes in the center of these galaxies. Correct? So my question is, how visible is the spin in these views? That is, how long would it take for one of these to complete a rotation? Obviously the further out, the longer the duration, but how observable is it? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you asking here can we detect the rotation of these galaxies? Not in our lifetimes I think given the timescales  involved.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;2) In layman’s terms, how would you describe the reasons why two spirals would look so dramatically different? For example 628 vs 1398. Not the direction of the spin, but why one looks so “clean” while the other looks more scattered. Does it relate to how long it’s been spinning? The positioning of the matter when it was caught up in the spin?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Almost all galaxies have their own unique appearances and  various factors create them incl. formation history ie. how the ga scloud that formed its first stars fell together, subsequent gravitational encounters with other galaxies, mergers and the intergalactic environment around them esp. for those in dense clusters and superclusters.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;These are probably questions that would have been answered in a 6th grade science class, but I was too foolish then to know what I was missing when I goofed off in that class.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heck, we&#039;re all human and as such fallible beings - and we all have to start somewhere. Curiousity is good as is further reading on subjects you&#039;re curious about - I&#039;d recommend almost anything by  Tim Ferris, Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov - and never be afraid to ask and seek information. I don&#039;t believe there&#039;s such a thing as a dumb question. (Well, okay maybe very, very rarely! ;-) )

Remember : Some of us like answering questions too! ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh. Typos. Sorry. That&#8217;s supposed to read :</p>
<blockquote><p>Please [#5 Ian] offer him and <b>his</b> team a very big thankyou from me. Love the WISE work! One of my favourite missions and very much appreciated.  </p></blockquote>
<p>Incidentally, I watched the launch of WISE &#8211; over the internet on NASA-TVwhich was one of the first one&#8217;s I viewed like that  so remember it well and have followed it closely since. I&#8217;m still hoping the WISE data will lead to a nearby brown dwarf or two turning up perhaps even one closer than Proxima Centauri. Don&#8217;t suppose you can give us here any hints or scoops at all can you? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@11.   Joel :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>@ Egaeus (6) – NGC 6822, aka Barnard’s Galaxy, is an awkward one. First, it’s a very small galaxy. It definitely has a central bar, and there is what appears to be a small and vague single arm, more obvious in visible light. .. [SNIP] .. It’s usually classed as a barred irregular, but that’s an odd sort of group on the edges of spirals. It’s also very, very similar in appearance to the Large Magellanic Cloud, which may have originally been more spirally before getting distorted by the Milky Way. NGC 6822 is part of the local group, but I’m not sure how close it is to any other larger Galaxies which may or may not have affected it.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Informative comment &#8211; thanks. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The LMC definitely has  spiral structure of sorts in my book &amp; looks like a barred spiral albeit a small &amp; disrupted one to me.</p>
<p>@2.  PS :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I have two questions about these pics from a minimally educated though highly inquisitive mind:</p>
<p>1) The spiral shapes are due to a “spin” and we believe that the spin is generated by super massive black holes in the center of these galaxies. Correct? So my question is, how visible is the spin in these views? That is, how long would it take for one of these to complete a rotation? Obviously the further out, the longer the duration, but how observable is it? </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Are you asking here can we detect the rotation of these galaxies? Not in our lifetimes I think given the timescales  involved.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>2) In layman’s terms, how would you describe the reasons why two spirals would look so dramatically different? For example 628 vs 1398. Not the direction of the spin, but why one looks so “clean” while the other looks more scattered. Does it relate to how long it’s been spinning? The positioning of the matter when it was caught up in the spin?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Almost all galaxies have their own unique appearances and  various factors create them incl. formation history ie. how the ga scloud that formed its first stars fell together, subsequent gravitational encounters with other galaxies, mergers and the intergalactic environment around them esp. for those in dense clusters and superclusters.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>These are probably questions that would have been answered in a 6th grade science class, but I was too foolish then to know what I was missing when I goofed off in that class.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Heck, we&#8217;re all human and as such fallible beings &#8211; and we all have to start somewhere. Curiousity is good as is further reading on subjects you&#8217;re curious about &#8211; I&#8217;d recommend almost anything by  Tim Ferris, Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov &#8211; and never be afraid to ask and seek information. I don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s such a thing as a dumb question. (Well, okay maybe very, very rarely! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Remember : Some of us like answering questions too! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 12. jess tauber - See f&#039;rex :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Peculiar_Galaxies

&amp;

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110421.html


Arp 273 on A.P.O.D.

&amp;

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110226.html

Shell galaxies in Pisces, again via APOD for just a handful of rather different looking not-so-spiral &quot;spiral&quot; galaxies. :-)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 12. jess tauber &#8211; See f&#8217;rex :</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Peculiar_Galaxies" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Peculiar_Galaxies</a></p>
<p>&amp;</p>
<p><a href="http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110421.html" rel="nofollow">http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110421.html</a></p>
<p>Arp 273 on A.P.O.D.</p>
<p>&amp;</p>
<p><a href="http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110226.html" rel="nofollow">http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110226.html</a></p>
<p>Shell galaxies in Pisces, again via APOD for just a handful of rather different looking not-so-spiral &#8220;spiral&#8221; galaxies. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
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