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	<title>Comments on: Cassini&#8217;s pentaverate</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-387859</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be &quot;pentav&lt;b&gt;i&lt;/b&gt;rate&quot;, with an &lt;i&gt;i&lt;/i&gt;, like &quot;triumvirate&quot; (&quot;vir&quot; being Latin for &quot;man&quot;). Of course, the word really should have been &quot;quinquevirate&quot;, using a Latin prefix on a Latin suffix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be &#8220;pentav<b>i</b>rate&#8221;, with an <i>i</i>, like &#8220;triumvirate&#8221; (&#8220;vir&#8221; being Latin for &#8220;man&#8221;). Of course, the word really should have been &#8220;quinquevirate&#8221;, using a Latin prefix on a Latin suffix.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-387282</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely stunning!

Thanks for sharing this with us. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely stunning!</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this with us. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-387253</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would a pentaverate be a plural of Titans? ;-)

Oh wait, that&#039;s not among that particular quintuple of Saturnian moons. Drat. Neta new word though.

My personal top five &quot;pentaverate&quot; of Saturn&#039;s moons would have to be :

Titan, Enceladus, Iapetus, Mimas &amp; Hyperion.  (Or maybe Phoebe?)   

@1.   Ken B : &lt;i&gt;&quot;That’s a bit ironic, as I always thought it was Prometheus Unbound.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, if it helps it is Prometheus that is *doing* the binding in this case! ;-)




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would a pentaverate be a plural of Titans? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh wait, that&#8217;s not among that particular quintuple of Saturnian moons. Drat. Neta new word though.</p>
<p>My personal top five &#8220;pentaverate&#8221; of Saturn&#8217;s moons would have to be :</p>
<p>Titan, Enceladus, Iapetus, Mimas &amp; Hyperion.  (Or maybe Phoebe?)   </p>
<p>@1.   Ken B : <i>&#8220;That’s a bit ironic, as I always thought it was Prometheus Unbound.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, if it helps it is Prometheus that is *doing* the binding in this case! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TJ Czeck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-387017</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ Czeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel (13) said:  

          The absence of an atmosphere (combined with the absence of any familiar
          objects) on the moon made it very hard for the Apollo astronauts to judge
          distances.

That reminds me of some Apollo footage that I&#039;ve seen (can&#039;t remember where now) where one of the astronauts is bouncing over to a boulder.  From the initial shot, it looks to be about the size of a car or so, but when he gets to it, it is the size of a house.  Very confusing at first.</description>
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<p>          The absence of an atmosphere (combined with the absence of any familiar<br />
          objects) on the moon made it very hard for the Apollo astronauts to judge<br />
          distances.</p>
<p>That reminds me of some Apollo footage that I&#8217;ve seen (can&#8217;t remember where now) where one of the astronauts is bouncing over to a boulder.  From the initial shot, it looks to be about the size of a car or so, but when he gets to it, it is the size of a house.  Very confusing at first.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-386938</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam H (6) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt; If we were actually there, floating amongst their orbits in a windowed spacecraft with a wider view angle, would the human eye be able to deduce at least some kind of distance perception?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In short, no.

Human binocular vision is only effective out to about 100 m or so.  Beyond that, we must rely on other clues for relative distances of objects (such as knowledge we already have of them, haziness due to atmospheric dust and so on).

The absence of an atmosphere (combined with the absence of any familiar objects) on the moon made it very hard for the Apollo astronauts to judge distances.  However, when they were heading towards the LM (i.e. an object with whose size they were familiar), they found it easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam H (6) said:</p>
<blockquote><p> If we were actually there, floating amongst their orbits in a windowed spacecraft with a wider view angle, would the human eye be able to deduce at least some kind of distance perception?</p></blockquote>
<p>In short, no.</p>
<p>Human binocular vision is only effective out to about 100 m or so.  Beyond that, we must rely on other clues for relative distances of objects (such as knowledge we already have of them, haziness due to atmospheric dust and so on).</p>
<p>The absence of an atmosphere (combined with the absence of any familiar objects) on the moon made it very hard for the Apollo astronauts to judge distances.  However, when they were heading towards the LM (i.e. an object with whose size they were familiar), they found it easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-386937</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful shot!</description>
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		<title>By: MarkW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enchronosate? Shouldn&#039;t it be enchronos&lt;b&gt;en&lt;/b&gt;ate? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enchronosate? Shouldn&#8217;t it be enchronos<b>en</b>ate? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Contraposición: el fin de Spirit contra la energía de Cassini : vooLive.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contraposición: el fin de Spirit contra la energía de Cassini : vooLive.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 06:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rings are so insubstantial. In other photos taken of Saturn, the rings look so huge, but they only contain enough material to make a sphere 100 kilometres in diameter. The Universe is an amazing place.

&#039;Penta-&#039; means five. What does &#039;verate&#039; refer to? Moons? Spheres?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rings are so insubstantial. In other photos taken of Saturn, the rings look so huge, but they only contain enough material to make a sphere 100 kilometres in diameter. The Universe is an amazing place.</p>
<p>&#8216;Penta-&#8217; means five. What does &#8216;verate&#8217; refer to? Moons? Spheres?</p>
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		<title>By: ohai</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is officially the second time in my life that I have heard the word &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI_0-kz4lR0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pentaverate&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. Just fyi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is officially the second time in my life that I have heard the word &#8220;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI_0-kz4lR0" rel="nofollow">pentaverate</a>&#8220;. Just fyi.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The extreme differences between the moons is why I feel that most of these things formed independently in the primordial nebula and were captured later. Does the current thinking still have the larger moons of the gas giants forming along side their parents? All the CGI animations you see on the science shows depict it this way. That always seemed a little too... tidy. Does a captured moon have to have some odd orbit? Can&#039;t a couple billion years of perturbations smooth it out to something that looks like it formed there?

I&#039;d model this if I had the time.

&lt;i&gt;It’s kind of surreal the way everything is different sizes and different distances, but you can’t tell how large or small the are relatively due to the distances. The rings almost look like they shouldn’t even be there. Dione kind of looks like it’s skating across them.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s the usual telephoto effect. It flattens the scene making it look like everything is on top of one another. Photographers use it all the time for various effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extreme differences between the moons is why I feel that most of these things formed independently in the primordial nebula and were captured later. Does the current thinking still have the larger moons of the gas giants forming along side their parents? All the CGI animations you see on the science shows depict it this way. That always seemed a little too&#8230; tidy. Does a captured moon have to have some odd orbit? Can&#8217;t a couple billion years of perturbations smooth it out to something that looks like it formed there?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d model this if I had the time.</p>
<p><i>It’s kind of surreal the way everything is different sizes and different distances, but you can’t tell how large or small the are relatively due to the distances. The rings almost look like they shouldn’t even be there. Dione kind of looks like it’s skating across them.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the usual telephoto effect. It flattens the scene making it look like everything is on top of one another. Photographers use it all the time for various effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet image!! :cool:

@4 Endyo: I agree. What gets me with these pics is that, although these worlds are separated by inconceivable distances, there&#039;s no way to tell which is nearer or farther. If we were actually there, floating amongst their orbits in a windowed spacecraft with a wider view angle, would the human eye be able to deduce at least some kind of distance perception?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet image!! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@4 Endyo: I agree. What gets me with these pics is that, although these worlds are separated by inconceivable distances, there&#8217;s no way to tell which is nearer or farther. If we were actually there, floating amongst their orbits in a windowed spacecraft with a wider view angle, would the human eye be able to deduce at least some kind of distance perception?</p>
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		<title>By: Gonçalo Aguiar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gonçalo Aguiar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any shot of the stuff inside the rings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any shot of the stuff inside the rings?</p>
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		<title>By: Endyo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/02/cassinis-pentaverate/comment-page-1/#comment-386752</link>
		<dc:creator>Endyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of surreal the way everything is different sizes and different distances, but you can&#039;t tell how large or small the are relatively due to the distances.   The rings almost look like they shouldn&#039;t even be there.  Dione kind of looks like it&#039;s skating across them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of surreal the way everything is different sizes and different distances, but you can&#8217;t tell how large or small the are relatively due to the distances.   The rings almost look like they shouldn&#8217;t even be there.  Dione kind of looks like it&#8217;s skating across them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mejilan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mejilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a CRAZY image!  So cool!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a CRAZY image!  So cool!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see 6 worlds... 5 moons and the rings of Saturn!

8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see 6 worlds&#8230; 5 moons and the rings of Saturn!</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ken B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Prometheus, along with its sister moon Pandora, act like shepherds, keeping Saturn’s F-ring particles entrained.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&#039;s a bit ironic, as I always thought it was Prometheus Unbound.

&lt;GDRFC&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Prometheus, along with its sister moon Pandora, act like shepherds, keeping Saturn’s F-ring particles entrained.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit ironic, as I always thought it was Prometheus Unbound.</p>
<p>&lt;GDRFC&gt;</p>
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