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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/20/nearby-earth-like-planet-not-so-much/#comment-299517</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Patience can be a virtue; we’ve waited thousands of years to know if another Earth exists Out There, and we’ll get our answer soon enough.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Patience can be a virtue; we’ve waited thousands of years to know if another Earth exists Out There, and we’ll get our answer soon enough.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim

&quot;And that ignores planets made uninhabitable by atmospheric toxicity and/or acidity, deadly temperatures, radiation exposure, and probably many other factors I can’t think of.&quot;
You have it completely backward. Atmosphere of our planet is full of horrible toxic gas that will burn and kill anything that did not evolve to cope with it. Said gas, by the way, was not present on beginning of planet history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim</p>
<p>&#8220;And that ignores planets made uninhabitable by atmospheric toxicity and/or acidity, deadly temperatures, radiation exposure, and probably many other factors I can’t think of.&#8221;<br />
You have it completely backward. Atmosphere of our planet is full of horrible toxic gas that will burn and kill anything that did not evolve to cope with it. Said gas, by the way, was not present on beginning of planet history.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Colose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/20/nearby-earth-like-planet-not-so-much/#comment-299515</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Colose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M spotted the issue of the atmosphere vs. no atmosphere temperature ranges, which was more of a confusion between the f=2 and f=4 case.

I have talked about this planet and the HZ in general at http://blog.timesunion.com/weather/the-search-for-e-t-in-exotic-climates/1112/ if anyone cares to discuss this in that forum as well.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M spotted the issue of the atmosphere vs. no atmosphere temperature ranges, which was more of a confusion between the f=2 and f=4 case.</p>
<p>I have talked about this planet and the HZ in general at <a href="http://blog.timesunion.com/weather/the-search-for-e-t-in-exotic-climates/1112/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.timesunion.com/weather/the-search-for-e-t-in-exotic-climates/1112/</a> if anyone cares to discuss this in that forum as well.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/20/nearby-earth-like-planet-not-so-much/#comment-299514</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Ironically, the reality makes my point even more strongly: at 50 Earth masses, 55 Cancri f is heftier than I thought, and so is not earth-like at all. It is far more likely to be &lt;b&gt;a gas giant of some kind.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A &quot;Hot Saturn&quot; seems right - Neptune has 17 earth masses and Saturn has about 95 so think something in between those. Just withoutr the rings or with rings of dust and rock not bright ice.

If the atmosphere of 55 Cancris f is hydrogen and helium - maybe with lots of methane - what would the likely greenhouse effect be? Anyone?

Life in the clouds perhaps as postulated by Clarke for Jupiter - or maybe on moons? Radiation levels could be an issue there but.

Too little info as yet to assess the chances for life really - more studies neeeded. Not likely to be fit for humans though clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Ironically, the reality makes my point even more strongly: at 50 Earth masses, 55 Cancri f is heftier than I thought, and so is not earth-like at all. It is far more likely to be <b>a gas giant of some kind.</b></i></p></blockquote>
<p>A &#8220;Hot Saturn&#8221; seems right &#8211; Neptune has 17 earth masses and Saturn has about 95 so think something in between those. Just withoutr the rings or with rings of dust and rock not bright ice.</p>
<p>If the atmosphere of 55 Cancris f is hydrogen and helium &#8211; maybe with lots of methane &#8211; what would the likely greenhouse effect be? Anyone?</p>
<p>Life in the clouds perhaps as postulated by Clarke for Jupiter &#8211; or maybe on moons? Radiation levels could be an issue there but.</p>
<p>Too little info as yet to assess the chances for life really &#8211; more studies neeeded. Not likely to be fit for humans though clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the term &quot;Habitable Zone&quot; because it conveys a sense of certainty about surface temps that&#039;s completely wrong.  Continuous Habitable Zone is even worse - our earth went through two or more snowball phases that might possibly have left it completely glaciated to the equator and arguably out of the Continuous Habitable Zone, which just shows how meaningless CHZ is.

We pull lots of astronomical names out of mythic fiction, so I suggest we rename it the M-Class Habitable Zone, where a planet that is very close analog to earth and its present or past atmosphere would have surface liquid water.  That would help distinguish the MHZ from other planets that could have surface liquid water in wider orbits with different atmospheres, and also for habitable bodies that haven&#039;t yet been disproven as potential locations for water based life (Europa and gas giant/ice giant atmospheres).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the term &#8220;Habitable Zone&#8221; because it conveys a sense of certainty about surface temps that&#8217;s completely wrong.  Continuous Habitable Zone is even worse &#8211; our earth went through two or more snowball phases that might possibly have left it completely glaciated to the equator and arguably out of the Continuous Habitable Zone, which just shows how meaningless CHZ is.</p>
<p>We pull lots of astronomical names out of mythic fiction, so I suggest we rename it the M-Class Habitable Zone, where a planet that is very close analog to earth and its present or past atmosphere would have surface liquid water.  That would help distinguish the MHZ from other planets that could have surface liquid water in wider orbits with different atmospheres, and also for habitable bodies that haven&#8217;t yet been disproven as potential locations for water based life (Europa and gas giant/ice giant atmospheres).</p>
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		<title>By: csrster</title>
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		<dc:creator>csrster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;earth-like&quot; = &quot;Minshara Class&quot; as any fule kno.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;earth-like&#8221; = &#8220;Minshara Class&#8221; as any fule kno.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We can terra-form any exo-planet. Just look at the success our science is having with this one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure we can! We can terraform a habitable planet into an uninhabitable one!

The reverse process? Still working the bugs out, I think....

&lt;blockquote&gt;oh, i’m sure it’s habitable – just not necessarily by us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But not for very much longer, though, if it&#039;s heading into the subgiant phase.

But the thought occurs to me, if 55 Cancri is really cooler and less massive than Sol, it should be expected to have a slightly longer lifespan on the main sequence. So if Sol is projected to have a 10 billion year main sequence lifespan, at 10 billion years old, 55 Cancri ought to have a little bit more time to go....

(According to wikipedia, 55 Cancri is a super-metal rich star (consistent with it having so many heavy planets), which makes estimation of its age and mass less accurate, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We can terra-form any exo-planet. Just look at the success our science is having with this one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure we can! We can terraform a habitable planet into an uninhabitable one!</p>
<p>The reverse process? Still working the bugs out, I think&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>oh, i’m sure it’s habitable – just not necessarily by us.</p></blockquote>
<p>But not for very much longer, though, if it&#8217;s heading into the subgiant phase.</p>
<p>But the thought occurs to me, if 55 Cancri is really cooler and less massive than Sol, it should be expected to have a slightly longer lifespan on the main sequence. So if Sol is projected to have a 10 billion year main sequence lifespan, at 10 billion years old, 55 Cancri ought to have a little bit more time to go&#8230;.</p>
<p>(According to wikipedia, 55 Cancri is a super-metal rich star (consistent with it having so many heavy planets), which makes estimation of its age and mass less accurate, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can terra-form any exo-planet. Just look at the success our science is having with this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can terra-form any exo-planet. Just look at the success our science is having with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: chris j.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/20/nearby-earth-like-planet-not-so-much/#comment-299509</link>
		<dc:creator>chris j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, i&#039;m sure it&#039;s habitable - just not necessarily by &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, i&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s habitable &#8211; just not necessarily by <i>us</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion!  I also find it interesting that the extra-solar planets we have so far detected have proved to be easier to detect than determining whether the nearest star system to us has planets or not, even though they are tens to hundreds of times farther from us than the Alpha Centauri System.  This site: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/AlphaCen.html does a fairly good job of explaining why we do not yet know whether there are planets in that system, and why it could take 5 or more years of studying it with a very large telescope dedicated to that task before we &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; know.  What will truly excite me and grab my interest would be the discovery of an earthlike planet in the HZ of Alpha Centauri A or B (with B being the more likely prospect, according to the website).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion!  I also find it interesting that the extra-solar planets we have so far detected have proved to be easier to detect than determining whether the nearest star system to us has planets or not, even though they are tens to hundreds of times farther from us than the Alpha Centauri System.  This site: <a href="http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/AlphaCen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/AlphaCen.html</a> does a fairly good job of explaining why we do not yet know whether there are planets in that system, and why it could take 5 or more years of studying it with a very large telescope dedicated to that task before we <i>can</i> know.  What will truly excite me and grab my interest would be the discovery of an earthlike planet in the HZ of Alpha Centauri A or B (with B being the more likely prospect, according to the website).</p>
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