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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I was in fact 35 when you posted this.

I&#039;m such a procrastinator that I finally got around to making a spreadsheet of the shuttle missions when the only piece of info not yet on Wikipedia was the duration of STS-135. (I already had Mercury, Gemini and Apollo done years earlier.)</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m such a procrastinator that I finally got around to making a spreadsheet of the shuttle missions when the only piece of info not yet on Wikipedia was the duration of STS-135. (I already had Mercury, Gemini and Apollo done years earlier.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McCants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McCants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>65 launches per year?  Failed.
$50 million per launch?  Failed.
Commercial launches?  Failed.
Scientific launches?  Cost/benefit too high and then abandoned as too risky.
$100 billion to build the ISS?  Success?  Pyrrhic victory?
What real science could have been done for 20% of that $100 billion?
30 years of employment for a lot of (now unemployed) people?  Success!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>65 launches per year?  Failed.<br />
$50 million per launch?  Failed.<br />
Commercial launches?  Failed.<br />
Scientific launches?  Cost/benefit too high and then abandoned as too risky.<br />
$100 billion to build the ISS?  Success?  Pyrrhic victory?<br />
What real science could have been done for 20% of that $100 billion?<br />
30 years of employment for a lot of (now unemployed) people?  Success!</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;The future doesn&#8217;t belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave.&#8221; &#124; bluejay&#039;s way</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;The future doesn&#8217;t belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave.&#8221; &#124; bluejay&#039;s way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 05:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up with the Space Shuttle too - and I loved them. :-) 

Sure, the Space Shuttles weren’t perfect and didn’t quite live up to all the early expectations and yet I still think they were one of the very finest things human minds have ever created and human hands have ever built. 

The Shuttle program has given us so much – a personal, off the top of my head, top ten list : 

1. It has flown more human individuals into orbit than any other craft incl. the likes of John Glenn, Sally Ride &lt;i&gt;(first female astronaut)&lt;/i&gt; , Andy Thomas &lt;i&gt;(the first Aussie astronaut who hails from my home town)&lt;/i&gt;, the first African-American astronaut and along with so many others. 

2. The Shuttles launched and then flew several repair and upgrade missions to the Hubble Space observatory. In my view this feat alone made the Shuttle worth it and has given us all, well, just so incredibly much in the way of science and beauty and wonder. 

3. The Shuttle launched the &lt;i&gt;Magellan&lt;/i&gt; spaceprobe that mapped Venus in unparalled detail in the early 1990&#039;s. 

4. The Shuttle launched the &lt;i&gt;Galileo&lt;/i&gt; spaceprobe to Jupiter flying past asteroid Gaspra for Humanity’s first close up encounter of an asteroid en route and subsequently orbiting our solar systems largest and nearest gas giant giant planet for years gifting us so much new knowledge and spectacular images of this gargantuan world. 

5. The Space Shuttles lifted to orbit and made possible the International Space Station. 

6. The Space Shuttles took three of the four NASA Great Observatories into Low Earth Orbit – the &lt;i&gt;Chandra&lt;/i&gt; X-ray space observatory and the &lt;i&gt;Compton&lt;/i&gt; Gamma Ray Observatory as well as the HST mentioned already at #2.

7. The Space Shuttles launched the &lt;i&gt;Ulysses&lt;/i&gt; spaceprobe on its long and rewarding if unheralded odyssey to the Solar poles and Jupiter - and back repeatedly. 

8. The Space Shuttles gave us so many new – and fixed satellites – and so much more experience with launching them. We rely on any of these satellites today in a variety of ways. 

9. The Space Shuttles worked on international diplomacy bringing America and Russia closer together and helped them work co-operatively on such missions as the trips to Russia’s old &lt;i&gt;Mir&lt;/i&gt; space station. 

10. The Space Shuttle flew the &lt;i&gt;Spacelab&lt;/i&gt; facility into orbit on a number of flights – a dedicated space science station within the Shuttles cargo bay. 

Some of those moments were mentioned and pointed out on this excellent tribute but I wish a couple more of them had been - would&#039;ve made this awesome tribute even better still. Eg.Sally Ride&#039;s first flight, &lt;i&gt;Magellan&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Galileo&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s launches noted in the same style that &lt;i&gt;Ulysses&lt;/i&gt;launch was pointed out.

The Space Shuttles were also a learning experience – the first spaceplanes ever built, the first reusable spacecraft ever built and I suspect the largest, heaviest and most technologically advanced gliders ever constructed. 

IMHON, The Shuttles were the best method we’ve yet had of sending people and cargo into the Black and will likely hold that record for a long time to come. 

Statistically, surely they’d have to be the most successful craft ever with them flying so many missions, doing so much science and transporting so many people into the skies. 

I suspect we’ll only really appreciate how good the Space Shuttles were now they’ve gone. :-(

***** 

For all the words and statistics, click on my name for perhaps the best reason to love the Space Shuttles I&#039;ve ever seen. Launch of &lt;i&gt;Atlantis&lt;/i&gt; on the STS-129 mission. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up with the Space Shuttle too &#8211; and I loved them. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Sure, the Space Shuttles weren’t perfect and didn’t quite live up to all the early expectations and yet I still think they were one of the very finest things human minds have ever created and human hands have ever built. </p>
<p>The Shuttle program has given us so much – a personal, off the top of my head, top ten list : </p>
<p>1. It has flown more human individuals into orbit than any other craft incl. the likes of John Glenn, Sally Ride <i>(first female astronaut)</i> , Andy Thomas <i>(the first Aussie astronaut who hails from my home town)</i>, the first African-American astronaut and along with so many others. </p>
<p>2. The Shuttles launched and then flew several repair and upgrade missions to the Hubble Space observatory. In my view this feat alone made the Shuttle worth it and has given us all, well, just so incredibly much in the way of science and beauty and wonder. </p>
<p>3. The Shuttle launched the <i>Magellan</i> spaceprobe that mapped Venus in unparalled detail in the early 1990&#8242;s. </p>
<p>4. The Shuttle launched the <i>Galileo</i> spaceprobe to Jupiter flying past asteroid Gaspra for Humanity’s first close up encounter of an asteroid en route and subsequently orbiting our solar systems largest and nearest gas giant giant planet for years gifting us so much new knowledge and spectacular images of this gargantuan world. </p>
<p>5. The Space Shuttles lifted to orbit and made possible the International Space Station. </p>
<p>6. The Space Shuttles took three of the four NASA Great Observatories into Low Earth Orbit – the <i>Chandra</i> X-ray space observatory and the <i>Compton</i> Gamma Ray Observatory as well as the HST mentioned already at #2.</p>
<p>7. The Space Shuttles launched the <i>Ulysses</i> spaceprobe on its long and rewarding if unheralded odyssey to the Solar poles and Jupiter &#8211; and back repeatedly. </p>
<p>8. The Space Shuttles gave us so many new – and fixed satellites – and so much more experience with launching them. We rely on any of these satellites today in a variety of ways. </p>
<p>9. The Space Shuttles worked on international diplomacy bringing America and Russia closer together and helped them work co-operatively on such missions as the trips to Russia’s old <i>Mir</i> space station. </p>
<p>10. The Space Shuttle flew the <i>Spacelab</i> facility into orbit on a number of flights – a dedicated space science station within the Shuttles cargo bay. </p>
<p>Some of those moments were mentioned and pointed out on this excellent tribute but I wish a couple more of them had been &#8211; would&#8217;ve made this awesome tribute even better still. Eg.Sally Ride&#8217;s first flight, <i>Magellan</i> and <i>Galileo</i>&#8216;s launches noted in the same style that <i>Ulysses</i>launch was pointed out.</p>
<p>The Space Shuttles were also a learning experience – the first spaceplanes ever built, the first reusable spacecraft ever built and I suspect the largest, heaviest and most technologically advanced gliders ever constructed. </p>
<p>IMHON, The Shuttles were the best method we’ve yet had of sending people and cargo into the Black and will likely hold that record for a long time to come. </p>
<p>Statistically, surely they’d have to be the most successful craft ever with them flying so many missions, doing so much science and transporting so many people into the skies. </p>
<p>I suspect we’ll only really appreciate how good the Space Shuttles were now they’ve gone. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>***** </p>
<p>For all the words and statistics, click on my name for perhaps the best reason to love the Space Shuttles I&#8217;ve ever seen. Launch of <i>Atlantis</i> on the STS-129 mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@35. Me : &lt;i&gt;&quot;What about the Enterprise?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The &lt;i&gt;Enterprise&lt;/i&gt; orbiter was a test model that never made it into space - despite thoughts of upgrading it to be able to do so at a couple of points.

The wikipage for it is here : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise 

whilst this : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I8DZivcnMM&amp;feature=related

3 part youtube series gives an interesting view from that distant age before Shuttle flew on the &lt;i&gt;Enterprise&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; maiden flight.

The &lt;i&gt;Enterprise&lt;/i&gt; shuttle features nicely here too : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxf5FBvb4GU&amp;feature=related

in another decent youtube clip on it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@35. Me : <i>&#8220;What about the Enterprise?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The <i>Enterprise</i> orbiter was a test model that never made it into space &#8211; despite thoughts of upgrading it to be able to do so at a couple of points.</p>
<p>The wikipage for it is here : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise</a> </p>
<p>whilst this : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I8DZivcnMM&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I8DZivcnMM&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>3 part youtube series gives an interesting view from that distant age before Shuttle flew on the <i>Enterprise&#8217;s</i> maiden flight.</p>
<p>The <i>Enterprise</i> shuttle features nicely here too : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxf5FBvb4GU&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxf5FBvb4GU&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>in another decent youtube clip on it. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400756</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This item : 

http://www.stonekettle.com/2009/07/one-small-step-bittersweet-anniversary.html 

Puts things very well indeed and is something I fully agree with and second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This item : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stonekettle.com/2009/07/one-small-step-bittersweet-anniversary.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stonekettle.com/2009/07/one-small-step-bittersweet-anniversary.html</a> </p>
<p>Puts things very well indeed and is something I fully agree with and second.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400755</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superluminous &lt;i&gt;(ie. beyond merely brilliant)&lt;/i&gt; compilation space shuttle montage. :-)

Thankyou -  and thank you NASA and the Space Shuttle teams. So many memories, so many successful flights, so much science done and stuff learnt and joy delivered to us all. It was a wonder of the modern world. Now vanished into history.

The ending of an era. A last landing in the pre-dawn darkness. Darkest time is just before the dawn? 

Will we see the Space Shuttles like again? 

If so, which nation will build and fly it? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superluminous <i>(ie. beyond merely brilliant)</i> compilation space shuttle montage. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thankyou &#8211;  and thank you NASA and the Space Shuttle teams. So many memories, so many successful flights, so much science done and stuff learnt and joy delivered to us all. It was a wonder of the modern world. Now vanished into history.</p>
<p>The ending of an era. A last landing in the pre-dawn darkness. Darkest time is just before the dawn? </p>
<p>Will we see the Space Shuttles like again? </p>
<p>If so, which nation will build and fly it?</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 04:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Enterprise?</description>
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		<title>By: Robin Hilliard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Hilliard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Shuttle was my spacecraft. I built many models of the &quot;Rockwell Orbiter&quot; in the years leading up to the first flight. When Columbia first passed over Sydney (Australia) I was on school camp and dragged everyone outside to watch it go over (I still have my Columbia pencil sharpener). My worst ever first day back for the school year was the day Challenger was lost.

The silence after the last few chuffs of the Shuttle APUs was very sad yesterday morning, but at the same time I think it&#039;s very much the right decision.  Despite the fantastic success of the ISS and Hubble the Shuttle was not the affordable launch system it was intended to be, and the combination of solid fuel boosters and a huge heat shield area to keep intact make it a relatively risky way to get people into space.  Yes capsules with parachutes are nowhere near as cool as a Thunderbirds-style lifting body, but they work. They should have been replaced years ago, but several promising replacement projects were canned, I understand in part because the Shuttle was very lucrative business for the (albeit hard-working and innovative) companies involved - who could blame them?

I fully support NASAs return to focus on science missions and leaving launches to commercial operators.  Apart from Hubble (a very significant &quot;apart&quot;) most of the big science in the last decade has come from the unmanned programme - think what else we could find out if we got people out to the same places the rovers and probes went. I&#039;m very excited about the advances SpaceX are making in launch costs ($1000/pound - brilliant!) and the transparent way they&#039;re offering their services to the public (I could get a small 30kg micro-satellite into LEO for the cost of a new car, not sure what it would do, but it would be fun).

Onwards and outwards humanity! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Shuttle was my spacecraft. I built many models of the &#8220;Rockwell Orbiter&#8221; in the years leading up to the first flight. When Columbia first passed over Sydney (Australia) I was on school camp and dragged everyone outside to watch it go over (I still have my Columbia pencil sharpener). My worst ever first day back for the school year was the day Challenger was lost.</p>
<p>The silence after the last few chuffs of the Shuttle APUs was very sad yesterday morning, but at the same time I think it&#8217;s very much the right decision.  Despite the fantastic success of the ISS and Hubble the Shuttle was not the affordable launch system it was intended to be, and the combination of solid fuel boosters and a huge heat shield area to keep intact make it a relatively risky way to get people into space.  Yes capsules with parachutes are nowhere near as cool as a Thunderbirds-style lifting body, but they work. They should have been replaced years ago, but several promising replacement projects were canned, I understand in part because the Shuttle was very lucrative business for the (albeit hard-working and innovative) companies involved &#8211; who could blame them?</p>
<p>I fully support NASAs return to focus on science missions and leaving launches to commercial operators.  Apart from Hubble (a very significant &#8220;apart&#8221;) most of the big science in the last decade has come from the unmanned programme &#8211; think what else we could find out if we got people out to the same places the rovers and probes went. I&#8217;m very excited about the advances SpaceX are making in launch costs ($1000/pound &#8211; brilliant!) and the transparent way they&#8217;re offering their services to the public (I could get a small 30kg micro-satellite into LEO for the cost of a new car, not sure what it would do, but it would be fun).</p>
<p>Onwards and outwards humanity! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jen L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful! Makes me so sad its over and we don&#039;t know if anything will ever replace it. And that when i was younger I didn&#039;t feel this way about science, astronomy etc... if only i could go back in time...
 I absolutely LOVED the clip from Reagan&#039;s address. Thanks for sharing, Phil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful! Makes me so sad its over and we don&#8217;t know if anything will ever replace it. And that when i was younger I didn&#8217;t feel this way about science, astronomy etc&#8230; if only i could go back in time&#8230;<br />
 I absolutely LOVED the clip from Reagan&#8217;s address. Thanks for sharing, Phil!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan(UK)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan(UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was born, the Germans had just stopped firing weapons of mass destruction on London and were off to Russia, and the US, to develop more weapons to fire at each other.

Peaceful applications came later. I can remember the excitement of Sputnik I, Laika  the dog, and Yuri Gagarin.

I remember the transatlantic TV pictures via Telstar - visible simultaneously from Andover, Maine and Goonhilly Down in Cornwall for only a few minutes each revolution.

The Apollo Moon landing caused much excitement here but interest soon waned except for Apollo 13 of course.

The Shuttle made space flight interesting but really it ought to be rather boring - and would have been if everything had gone to plan. Who could name the last 10 satellites to be launched and what they are for?

Nice video - it is a pity that Macmillan had to get its wrist slapped today in the High Court for &quot;unlawful conduct&quot;.

Finally (well almost) a quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson on July 8, the day of the final shuttle launch:



    &quot;Many lament the shuttle era&#039;s end. But that&#039;s misplaced sentiment. Lament instead the absence of an era to replace it.&quot;

I cannot agree with him. There are so many exciting things happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was born, the Germans had just stopped firing weapons of mass destruction on London and were off to Russia, and the US, to develop more weapons to fire at each other.</p>
<p>Peaceful applications came later. I can remember the excitement of Sputnik I, Laika  the dog, and Yuri Gagarin.</p>
<p>I remember the transatlantic TV pictures via Telstar &#8211; visible simultaneously from Andover, Maine and Goonhilly Down in Cornwall for only a few minutes each revolution.</p>
<p>The Apollo Moon landing caused much excitement here but interest soon waned except for Apollo 13 of course.</p>
<p>The Shuttle made space flight interesting but really it ought to be rather boring &#8211; and would have been if everything had gone to plan. Who could name the last 10 satellites to be launched and what they are for?</p>
<p>Nice video &#8211; it is a pity that Macmillan had to get its wrist slapped today in the High Court for &#8220;unlawful conduct&#8221;.</p>
<p>Finally (well almost) a quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson on July 8, the day of the final shuttle launch:</p>
<p>    &#8220;Many lament the shuttle era&#8217;s end. But that&#8217;s misplaced sentiment. Lament instead the absence of an era to replace it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot agree with him. There are so many exciting things happening.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ Czeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ Czeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being 35, the shuttle may be my generations rocket program, but my heart is still back in the heady days of the early space program.  How many people nowadays can name one astronaut from the last 30 years compared to how many back in the day could name the original seven, the next nine, and so on.  I just wish more people had an interest in science (yes, I do try to raise the geek-level wherever I am).  My jaded perspective aside, it truly was a beautiful video.  I am looking forward to the next program, whatever that will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being 35, the shuttle may be my generations rocket program, but my heart is still back in the heady days of the early space program.  How many people nowadays can name one astronaut from the last 30 years compared to how many back in the day could name the original seven, the next nine, and so on.  I just wish more people had an interest in science (yes, I do try to raise the geek-level wherever I am).  My jaded perspective aside, it truly was a beautiful video.  I am looking forward to the next program, whatever that will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400621</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a little mean in my comment about America&#039;s firsts on the And &quot;Then There Were None&quot; post. After watching that all I can say is BRAVO.  More, more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a little mean in my comment about America&#8217;s firsts on the And &#8220;Then There Were None&#8221; post. After watching that all I can say is BRAVO.  More, more.</p>
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		<title>By: In praise of a passing flame. &#171; Communion Of Dreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>In praise of a passing flame. &#171; Communion Of Dreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As noted, I&#8217;ve been more than a bit preoccupied with something else of late. But I do want to take a moment and pass along this delightful tribute, via Phil Plait: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As noted, I&#8217;ve been more than a bit preoccupied with something else of late. But I do want to take a moment and pass along this delightful tribute, via Phil Plait: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Ramsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Ramsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Born in &#039;62, here, and even from the UK I followed all the missions, starting with Gemini. I remember being on holiday on the Isle of Mull and walking to the local pub to watch the first Shuttle launch... how have we all let things come to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Born in &#8217;62, here, and even from the UK I followed all the missions, starting with Gemini. I remember being on holiday on the Isle of Mull and walking to the local pub to watch the first Shuttle launch&#8230; how have we all let things come to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Austen Redman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400580</link>
		<dc:creator>Austen Redman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Concorde, then the Space Shuttle, all the glamorous air/spacecraft are disappearing.
Soyuz just doesn&#039;t offer the same excitement does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Concorde, then the Space Shuttle, all the glamorous air/spacecraft are disappearing.<br />
Soyuz just doesn&#8217;t offer the same excitement does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400549</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Phil, for posting that.  I&#039;m just a little younger than you and only vaguely remember the final Apollo launches and the Apollo-Soyuz.

I got moved to tears, particularly the ones showing the Hubble repair missions.  I&#039;ll miss the close-ups of that beautiful telescope. The only live launch I got to see was for the first servicing mission.

That video brought back flashbacks of watching the first launch after Challenger in college with my friends. 

I&#039;m ashamed to say that I missed the final landing.  I remember watching the first landing in junior high - fortunately it was during science class and our teacher had snagged one of the TV&#039;s and we all watched it.

Just forwarded it around to my school.  Will have to show it in Astronomy class next spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Phil, for posting that.  I&#8217;m just a little younger than you and only vaguely remember the final Apollo launches and the Apollo-Soyuz.</p>
<p>I got moved to tears, particularly the ones showing the Hubble repair missions.  I&#8217;ll miss the close-ups of that beautiful telescope. The only live launch I got to see was for the first servicing mission.</p>
<p>That video brought back flashbacks of watching the first launch after Challenger in college with my friends. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m ashamed to say that I missed the final landing.  I remember watching the first landing in junior high &#8211; fortunately it was during science class and our teacher had snagged one of the TV&#8217;s and we all watched it.</p>
<p>Just forwarded it around to my school.  Will have to show it in Astronomy class next spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuccitanus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400519</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuccitanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful video, I still have a lump in my throat. In terms of the space race, I was born shortly after the Apollo-Soyuz joint mission in 1975, so the Shuttle has also been the only American ship for me, and one of the main reasons to become a air and space freak, being others the fact of living close to a Spanish Air Force Base, and watching Carl Sagan&#039;s &quot;Cosmos&quot; on TVE (Spain&#039;s national TV station) when I was 9.

I remember knowing about the Challenger&#039;s accident after coming back from the local library, watching (sadly on TV) the launch of STS-95, with my country&#039;s first astronaut (Pedro Duque) along with John Glenn, and after watching (now online) the launch and landing of the two last missions, it makes me feel with a sense of &quot;and now... what?&quot;, of stopping in the middle of nowhere without knowing which way to go. I had the dream of watching someone walking on the Moon (or even on Mars) without recurring to old footage (I have books showing such missions to be launched... in the mid-80s). Now I feel that dream farther than ever. Despite all the &quot;bureaucrazy&quot;, mismanagement and terrible mistakes, the Shuttle was an inspiration to everyone. Now it seems we have to begin from scratch again.

Phil, thanks for your blog, and thanks Columbia, Challenger, Atlantis, Discovery and Endeavour, and all those who made them fly, for trying to fulfill our dreams, and expanding our knowledge of the universe.

Greetings from Madrid, Spain (my first comment, by the way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful video, I still have a lump in my throat. In terms of the space race, I was born shortly after the Apollo-Soyuz joint mission in 1975, so the Shuttle has also been the only American ship for me, and one of the main reasons to become a air and space freak, being others the fact of living close to a Spanish Air Force Base, and watching Carl Sagan&#8217;s &#8220;Cosmos&#8221; on TVE (Spain&#8217;s national TV station) when I was 9.</p>
<p>I remember knowing about the Challenger&#8217;s accident after coming back from the local library, watching (sadly on TV) the launch of STS-95, with my country&#8217;s first astronaut (Pedro Duque) along with John Glenn, and after watching (now online) the launch and landing of the two last missions, it makes me feel with a sense of &#8220;and now&#8230; what?&#8221;, of stopping in the middle of nowhere without knowing which way to go. I had the dream of watching someone walking on the Moon (or even on Mars) without recurring to old footage (I have books showing such missions to be launched&#8230; in the mid-80s). Now I feel that dream farther than ever. Despite all the &#8220;bureaucrazy&#8221;, mismanagement and terrible mistakes, the Shuttle was an inspiration to everyone. Now it seems we have to begin from scratch again.</p>
<p>Phil, thanks for your blog, and thanks Columbia, Challenger, Atlantis, Discovery and Endeavour, and all those who made them fly, for trying to fulfill our dreams, and expanding our knowledge of the universe.</p>
<p>Greetings from Madrid, Spain (my first comment, by the way).</p>
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		<title>By: davidlpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodbye old friend.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400499</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Phil,

I think props should also go to Charlotte Stoddart who edited the film.</description>
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<p>I think props should also go to Charlotte Stoddart who edited the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely feel like the shuttle was &quot;my&quot; rocket.  I was born in 1982, just after the program started flying.  One of my earliest memories was watching on TV in 1986 when Challenger exploded.  When I went to Space Camp as a kid, I had the chance to meet Jeffrey Hoffman just before he flow on STS-61 to fix the Hubble. Lots of memories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely feel like the shuttle was &#8220;my&#8221; rocket.  I was born in 1982, just after the program started flying.  One of my earliest memories was watching on TV in 1986 when Challenger exploded.  When I went to Space Camp as a kid, I had the chance to meet Jeffrey Hoffman just before he flow on STS-61 to fix the Hubble. Lots of memories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt L</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400487</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great video.  I remember that for the first missions the space shuttle&#039;s external tank was painted white.  NASA eventually realized how much that paint weighed so they stopped painting it.  While it made a lot of sense to get rid of the white paint it did look spectacular!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video.  I remember that for the first missions the space shuttle&#8217;s external tank was painted white.  NASA eventually realized how much that paint weighed so they stopped painting it.  While it made a lot of sense to get rid of the white paint it did look spectacular!</p>
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		<title>By: mcb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/21/a-shuttle-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-400482</link>
		<dc:creator>mcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came of age during the Gemini program - spacewalks, rendezvous in orbit, docking with the Agena, long duration flight, astronanauts with beards - all the cool stuff done for for the first time.  I&#039;m no fan of the STS and the bureaucratic nightmare that created it and all the unwarranted wishful thinking that resulted in the violent public deaths of two crews.  The Apollo 1 debacle should have taught NASA once and for all the importance of doing it right the first time, but they cut corners, ignored prior warnings, killed 14 astronauts, and could easily have killed more.  We should have done better, and I worry that we won&#039;t going forward if we idealize the many compromises that created the shuttle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came of age during the Gemini program &#8211; spacewalks, rendezvous in orbit, docking with the Agena, long duration flight, astronanauts with beards &#8211; all the cool stuff done for for the first time.  I&#8217;m no fan of the STS and the bureaucratic nightmare that created it and all the unwarranted wishful thinking that resulted in the violent public deaths of two crews.  The Apollo 1 debacle should have taught NASA once and for all the importance of doing it right the first time, but they cut corners, ignored prior warnings, killed 14 astronauts, and could easily have killed more.  We should have done better, and I worry that we won&#8217;t going forward if we idealize the many compromises that created the shuttle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Born in &#039;71 here, and yes, the space shuttle has always been &quot;My Rocket&quot;.  I still remember coming home from school that day in January, 1986 and rushing to the tv to watch the launch like it happened yesterday.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever forget that moment or the horror I felt not only for the astronauts on board but the space program as a whole.  Thank God we persevered.

I hope we don&#039;t stop now just because idiot politicians can&#039;t balance the country&#039;s checkbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Born in &#8217;71 here, and yes, the space shuttle has always been &#8220;My Rocket&#8221;.  I still remember coming home from school that day in January, 1986 and rushing to the tv to watch the launch like it happened yesterday.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever forget that moment or the horror I felt not only for the astronauts on board but the space program as a whole.  Thank God we persevered.</p>
<p>I hope we don&#8217;t stop now just because idiot politicians can&#8217;t balance the country&#8217;s checkbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maxx, same here. I was born in &#039;65 and can&#039;t remember much of the Apollo missions. But I was so much more aware during the Shuttle-age. They were the pinnacle of what we could achieve in those days and I was so proud of NASA that they achieved this feat. And I can still remember clearly the day the Challenger exploded. In those times launches were aired live and I watched it explode during the transmission. I still can remember the sadness of that moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maxx, same here. I was born in &#8217;65 and can&#8217;t remember much of the Apollo missions. But I was so much more aware during the Shuttle-age. They were the pinnacle of what we could achieve in those days and I was so proud of NASA that they achieved this feat. And I can still remember clearly the day the Challenger exploded. In those times launches were aired live and I watched it explode during the transmission. I still can remember the sadness of that moment.</p>
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