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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Island Universes &#124; Tangled Up in Blue Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Island Universes &#124; Tangled Up in Blue Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The heat of the Pinwheel (blogs.discovermagazine.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friday Finds &#8211; Jumping the Shark &#124; Honk if you love justice!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Finds &#8211; Jumping the Shark &#124; Honk if you love justice!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The M101 &#8216;Pinwheel&#8217; galaxy is awesome to photograph with any camera. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
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		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not wishing to go slightly off-topic, (I guess we are anyway), but I have that urge to say re the Northern verses the Southern Astronomers sub-topic, &quot;What about us?&quot;

We, by dent of our good fortune to be located in the south, get to see all the new and exciting things not (mostly) available to the northerners. At least not without digging deep in the pocket for at least one ticket south. And you are most welcome, even to stay.

So, we miss out on viewing M101 with virgin light, but have to be satisfied with reproductions. Mind you, I too consider it to be my best favorite galaxy, and the new interpretation only makes it better.

So thanks Phil and the NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA guys for your work. Much appreciated.

Ivan.

PS, I know each of us can travel around the world to see everything, but you cannot move the Observatories to the other hemisphere, as we would be back where we started! What we need are more &quot;Hubbles&quot;, and canning the Webb is the wrong way to go about that. But still, that is not quite the same as having one&#039;s own set-up in the backyard or more realistically, in an adjacent dark sky site for Amateurs, at a reasonable distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not wishing to go slightly off-topic, (I guess we are anyway), but I have that urge to say re the Northern verses the Southern Astronomers sub-topic, &#8220;What about us?&#8221;</p>
<p>We, by dent of our good fortune to be located in the south, get to see all the new and exciting things not (mostly) available to the northerners. At least not without digging deep in the pocket for at least one ticket south. And you are most welcome, even to stay.</p>
<p>So, we miss out on viewing M101 with virgin light, but have to be satisfied with reproductions. Mind you, I too consider it to be my best favorite galaxy, and the new interpretation only makes it better.</p>
<p>So thanks Phil and the NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA guys for your work. Much appreciated.</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
<p>PS, I know each of us can travel around the world to see everything, but you cannot move the Observatories to the other hemisphere, as we would be back where we started! What we need are more &#8220;Hubbles&#8221;, and canning the Webb is the wrong way to go about that. But still, that is not quite the same as having one&#8217;s own set-up in the backyard or more realistically, in an adjacent dark sky site for Amateurs, at a reasonable distance.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/25/the-heat-of-the-pinwheel/comment-page-1/#comment-401415</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6.   Navneeth :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;It’s a reliable favorite among amateur astronomers because it’s big, bright, and located near the north pole of the sky, so it’s easy to find for a big part of the year.&quot;
From this we can &lt;b&gt;(can’t we?)&lt;/b&gt; infer that there are no amateur astronomers south of the equator, perhaps even south of the tropics.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er, &lt;B&gt;NO you can&#039;t infer that!&lt;/b&gt; :-o

There are plenty of amateur (&amp; professional too) astronomers based in the Southern hemisphere incl. those in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Chile and even a handful at or near the South Pole itself! 

See : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Telescope 

for instance and say this wiki-page : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Evans_(astronomer) 

for the amateur with the most supernovae discoveries ever or this one : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Payne-Scott

for the first ever female radio astronomer. :-) 

Oh and we southern hemispherers have better skies getting to see the Magellanic Clouds, Omega Centauri and the Southern Cross too! :P 

*****

PS. &lt;i&gt;&quot;..perhaps even south of the tropics.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Um, you do know what&#039;s on the top of Mauna Kea (Hawaii) right? ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6.   Navneeth :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;It’s a reliable favorite among amateur astronomers because it’s big, bright, and located near the north pole of the sky, so it’s easy to find for a big part of the year.&#8221;<br />
From this we can <b>(can’t we?)</b> infer that there are no amateur astronomers south of the equator, perhaps even south of the tropics.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Er, <b>NO you can&#8217;t infer that!</b> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are plenty of amateur (&amp; professional too) astronomers based in the Southern hemisphere incl. those in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Chile and even a handful at or near the South Pole itself! </p>
<p>See : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Telescope" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Telescope</a> </p>
<p>for instance and say this wiki-page : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Evans_(astronomer)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Evans_(astronomer)</a> </p>
<p>for the amateur with the most supernovae discoveries ever or this one : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Payne-Scott" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Payne-Scott</a></p>
<p>for the first ever female radio astronomer. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Oh and we southern hemispherers have better skies getting to see the Magellanic Clouds, Omega Centauri and the Southern Cross too! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>PS. <i>&#8220;..perhaps even south of the tropics.&#8221;</i> Um, you do know what&#8217;s on the top of Mauna Kea (Hawaii) right? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I learned a word!  Galactinate means &quot;to click on a jpg&quot; !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I learned a word!  Galactinate means &#8220;to click on a jpg&#8221; !!</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Cup of Links: The Pinwheel Galaxy - Cine Sopaipleto &#187; Cine Sopaipleto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/25/the-heat-of-the-pinwheel/comment-page-1/#comment-401399</link>
		<dc:creator>Morning Cup of Links: The Pinwheel Galaxy - Cine Sopaipleto &#187; Cine Sopaipleto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer captured a stunning shot of the M101, a.k.a. The Pinwheel Galaxy, which is twice the diameter of the Milky Way. * Apparently, someone [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/25/the-heat-of-the-pinwheel/comment-page-1/#comment-401372</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 05:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2.   QuietDesperation : &lt;i&gt; &quot;Aren’t all spirals basically pinwheels?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Not necessarily - there are, for instance, the barred spirals! ;-) 

Plus there&#039;s those you see edge on, ones with little activity or massive starbursts or interactions warping their shape and so on. 

Of course, it depends whether we&#039;re talking spirals generally or spiral galaxies specifically too! ;-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2.   QuietDesperation : <i> &#8220;Aren’t all spirals basically pinwheels?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Not necessarily &#8211; there are, for instance, the barred spirals! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Plus there&#8217;s those you see edge on, ones with little activity or massive starbursts or interactions warping their shape and so on. </p>
<p>Of course, it depends whether we&#8217;re talking spirals generally or spiral galaxies specifically too! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhat arguably, he&#039;s actually right.

The four largest countries (by land area) are all entirely in the northern hemisphere, as are the largest ones by population (India is entirely north of the Equator, as is China).

South, the largest country entirely below the equator (by land area) is Australia - Brazil is larger, but parts of Brazil are north of zero degrees.

It would be an interesting question - The ratios of their sizes is roughly 8:7, and roughly 1/8th of Brazil is north of the Equator - Which country has more southern area?  I don&#039;t know.

There are also Pacific Islander countries that cover huge areas - mostly of open water - but have very little land mass and not much population.  Indonesia is a worthwhile exception, but it too borders on the Equator.

Anyhow - Worthless factoids for the day (but hey, I went and looked them up, so they were at least interesting to me!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat arguably, he&#8217;s actually right.</p>
<p>The four largest countries (by land area) are all entirely in the northern hemisphere, as are the largest ones by population (India is entirely north of the Equator, as is China).</p>
<p>South, the largest country entirely below the equator (by land area) is Australia &#8211; Brazil is larger, but parts of Brazil are north of zero degrees.</p>
<p>It would be an interesting question &#8211; The ratios of their sizes is roughly 8:7, and roughly 1/8th of Brazil is north of the Equator &#8211; Which country has more southern area?  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>There are also Pacific Islander countries that cover huge areas &#8211; mostly of open water &#8211; but have very little land mass and not much population.  Indonesia is a worthwhile exception, but it too borders on the Equator.</p>
<p>Anyhow &#8211; Worthless factoids for the day (but hey, I went and looked them up, so they were at least interesting to me!)</p>
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		<title>By: Navneeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navneeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s a reliable favorite among amateur astronomers because it’s big, bright, and located near the north pole of the sky, so it’s easy to find for a big part of the year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From this we can (can&#039;t we?) infer that there are no amateur astronomers south of the equator, perhaps even south of the tropics.

:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s a reliable favorite among amateur astronomers because it’s big, bright, and located near the north pole of the sky, so it’s easy to find for a big part of the year.</p></blockquote>
<p>From this we can (can&#8217;t we?) infer that there are no amateur astronomers south of the equator, perhaps even south of the tropics.<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chrisj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrisj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamey: Cubes increase very rapidly; 10x the number of stars with the same density is only 2.15x the (linear) size.  I suspect Phil is (understandably) rounding one number or the other for ease.  It isn&#039;t as though we can be absolutely precise about either anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamey: Cubes increase very rapidly; 10x the number of stars with the same density is only 2.15x the (linear) size.  I suspect Phil is (understandably) rounding one number or the other for ease.  It isn&#8217;t as though we can be absolutely precise about either anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;I&gt;long organic compounds called PAHs&lt;/I&gt;&quot;

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/realfiles/members/2000/108p709-717richter/richterfig1B.GIF 
   Stable PAHs are compact 
http://www.daviddarling.info/images/PAH_structures.jpg 
   Non-compact polyacenes are reactive. 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicoronylene 
One presumes the universe is mucked with dicoronylene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>long organic compounds called PAHs</i>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/realfiles/members/2000/108p709-717richter/richterfig1B.GIF" rel="nofollow">http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/realfiles/members/2000/108p709-717richter/richterfig1B.GIF</a><br />
   Stable PAHs are compact<br />
<a href="http://www.daviddarling.info/images/PAH_structures.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.daviddarling.info/images/PAH_structures.jpg</a><br />
   Non-compact polyacenes are reactive. </p>
<p>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicoronylene<br />
One presumes the universe is mucked with dicoronylene.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the stellar density is higher, as well?  Twice the size would be - 8x the number of stars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the stellar density is higher, as well?  Twice the size would be &#8211; 8x the number of stars?</p>
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		<title>By: QuietDesperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuietDesperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t all spirals basically pinwheels?</description>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superluminously magnificent awesome image there. :-) 

Thankyou BA &amp; the WISE guys (&amp; girls - &#039;guys&#039; being inclusive of them too!) ;-) 

For a second there you had me thinking of the &quot;other Pinwheel&quot; galaxy - M33 the Triangulum galaxy which shares that nickname with M101 too. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superluminously magnificent awesome image there. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Thankyou BA &amp; the WISE guys (&amp; girls &#8211; &#8216;guys&#8217; being inclusive of them too!) <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>For a second there you had me thinking of the &#8220;other Pinwheel&#8221; galaxy &#8211; M33 the Triangulum galaxy which shares that nickname with M101 too. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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