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		<title>By: Dawn Spacecraft Begins Exploring Asteroid Belt &#124; Mars Gazette</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/01/vesta-in-breathtaking-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-406692</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Spacecraft Begins Exploring Asteroid Belt &#124; Mars Gazette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discover Magazine&#039;s Bad Astronomy reports that those pictures are already raising a lot of questions. They give a bit of play-by-play on what you&#039;re looking at in the animation: Look at how the surface changes: you can see smoother regions, cratered regions, places that are darker, some where it&#039;s brighter. Clearly Vesta has been battered over time — the entire south pole region is an impact basin, and those parallel grooves are from waves of energy moving through the asteroid during the impact event — and hopefully its history will be unraveled when higher-resolution images come in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Discover Magazine&#039;s Bad Astronomy reports that those pictures are already raising a lot of questions. They give a bit of play-by-play on what you&#039;re looking at in the animation: Look at how the surface changes: you can see smoother regions, cratered regions, places that are darker, some where it&#039;s brighter. Clearly Vesta has been battered over time — the entire south pole region is an impact basin, and those parallel grooves are from waves of energy moving through the asteroid during the impact event — and hopefully its history will be unraveled when higher-resolution images come in. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: General Updates 2011: Jul/Aug &#171; The Outer Hoard</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Updates 2011: Jul/Aug &#171; The Outer Hoard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news, Gale Crater was chosen as landing site for Mars Science Lab. Also, we got close-up images of Vesta. Meanwhile, the Earth&#8217;s first trojan asteroid was discovered. And speculation has it that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] news, Gale Crater was chosen as landing site for Mars Science Lab. Also, we got close-up images of Vesta. Meanwhile, the Earth&#8217;s first trojan asteroid was discovered. And speculation has it that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tadej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tadej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 00:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for the replies. Yes now I think I understand it, finally... :) Though one thing is also interesting (regarding escape velocities), in particular I am talking about this sentence below from an article on Wikipedia about escape velocity: 

&quot;A rocket moving out of a gravity well does not actually need to attain escape velocity to do so, but could achieve the same result at walking speed with a suitable mode of propulsion and sufficient fuel. Escape velocity only applies to ballistic trajectories.&quot;

Apparently escape velocity applies only to ballistics? Also, as I&#039;ve read in another article (actually the same article but on Slovenian Wikipedia :D), spacecrafts don&#039;t need to reach the actual speed as it&#039;s specified as planet Earth&#039;s escape velocity (in that same Wikipedia article); they first travel to lower orbit (with lower speed, obviously) and then accelerate further to escape velocity at this specific height (which is slightly less; the article says it&#039;s about 10.9 km/s) so in the end that extra required speed is lower as the vessel is already accelerated to a speed of about 8 km/s.

I really hope I&#039;ve translated it correctly (I did it as best as can). :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the replies. Yes now I think I understand it, finally&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Though one thing is also interesting (regarding escape velocities), in particular I am talking about this sentence below from an article on Wikipedia about escape velocity: </p>
<p>&#8220;A rocket moving out of a gravity well does not actually need to attain escape velocity to do so, but could achieve the same result at walking speed with a suitable mode of propulsion and sufficient fuel. Escape velocity only applies to ballistic trajectories.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently escape velocity applies only to ballistics? Also, as I&#8217;ve read in another article (actually the same article but on Slovenian Wikipedia <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ), spacecrafts don&#8217;t need to reach the actual speed as it&#8217;s specified as planet Earth&#8217;s escape velocity (in that same Wikipedia article); they first travel to lower orbit (with lower speed, obviously) and then accelerate further to escape velocity at this specific height (which is slightly less; the article says it&#8217;s about 10.9 km/s) so in the end that extra required speed is lower as the vessel is already accelerated to a speed of about 8 km/s.</p>
<p>I really hope I&#8217;ve translated it correctly (I did it as best as can). <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, at very first glance on the un-enlarged version of the pic, did the dark crater remind anyone else of Moonbase Alpha?
And I already know that said dark crater has already spawned a host of &#039;alien artifact&#039; jokes... after my &quot;Huh, it&#039;s Moonbase Alpha&quot; notion, I immediately thought about the latest &#039;face on Mars&#039; proponents crawling out of the woodwork. Sadly, there shall be some who honestly claim that it REALLY IS evidence of aliens! (I have an OLD ViewMaster reel set of Tom Corbett that tells the fanciful tale of finding a lost civilization amid the asteroids, after finding other evidence of it on Mars. Really creative and nice model work for the 3D picture reels--especially for the time in which they were manufactured--but not a true story, in spite of what others may claim!)

The topography reminds me a little of the Martian moons, which is neat... in spite of the difference in size/mass, might they all be of similar compostion to have had their terrain affected in similar ways?

Anyway, even though it&#039;s just a &#039;chunk of rock&#039; in space, I find this asteroid amazing... heck,  all the asteroids have been amazing, once seen up close! I can&#039;t wait to see more details of Vesta, and am really looking forward to Ceres!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, at very first glance on the un-enlarged version of the pic, did the dark crater remind anyone else of Moonbase Alpha?<br />
And I already know that said dark crater has already spawned a host of &#8216;alien artifact&#8217; jokes&#8230; after my &#8220;Huh, it&#8217;s Moonbase Alpha&#8221; notion, I immediately thought about the latest &#8216;face on Mars&#8217; proponents crawling out of the woodwork. Sadly, there shall be some who honestly claim that it REALLY IS evidence of aliens! (I have an OLD ViewMaster reel set of Tom Corbett that tells the fanciful tale of finding a lost civilization amid the asteroids, after finding other evidence of it on Mars. Really creative and nice model work for the 3D picture reels&#8211;especially for the time in which they were manufactured&#8211;but not a true story, in spite of what others may claim!)</p>
<p>The topography reminds me a little of the Martian moons, which is neat&#8230; in spite of the difference in size/mass, might they all be of similar compostion to have had their terrain affected in similar ways?</p>
<p>Anyway, even though it&#8217;s just a &#8216;chunk of rock&#8217; in space, I find this asteroid amazing&#8230; heck,  all the asteroids have been amazing, once seen up close! I can&#8217;t wait to see more details of Vesta, and am really looking forward to Ceres!</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course near an irregularly-shaped object such as Vesta the trajectories become far more interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course near an irregularly-shaped object such as Vesta the trajectories become far more interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MT-LA
&quot;Pole&quot; referred first to the place where the axis of rotation meets the surface, and only later was this concept applied to magnetism.  The convention that a magnet has a &quot;North&quot; and &quot;South&quot; pole was due to associating the earth&#039;s magnetic field with its axis of rotation, not the other way around. 

When our planet&#039;s magnetic field flips again, North on the globe will still be North, even though the earth&#039;s &lt;i&gt;magnetic&lt;/i&gt; &quot;North&quot; pole will be in the Southern hemisphere. :)

@ Jamey:

It&#039;s not actually true that your trajectory necessarily will bring you back to the same point.  The amount of gravitational potential energy for an object that is at infinite distance from the source of gravity is not infinite -- the integral of 1/r^2, from r0 &gt; 0 to infinity, converges.

Ergo there is some amount of kinetic energy that you can apply to an object where it will never slow to a stop or turn around due the gravity of the body it originally was launched from.  This is what &quot;escape velocity&quot; means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MT-LA<br />
&#8220;Pole&#8221; referred first to the place where the axis of rotation meets the surface, and only later was this concept applied to magnetism.  The convention that a magnet has a &#8220;North&#8221; and &#8220;South&#8221; pole was due to associating the earth&#8217;s magnetic field with its axis of rotation, not the other way around. </p>
<p>When our planet&#8217;s magnetic field flips again, North on the globe will still be North, even though the earth&#8217;s <i>magnetic</i> &#8220;North&#8221; pole will be in the Southern hemisphere. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Jamey:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not actually true that your trajectory necessarily will bring you back to the same point.  The amount of gravitational potential energy for an object that is at infinite distance from the source of gravity is not infinite &#8212; the integral of 1/r^2, from r0 &gt; 0 to infinity, converges.</p>
<p>Ergo there is some amount of kinetic energy that you can apply to an object where it will never slow to a stop or turn around due the gravity of the body it originally was launched from.  This is what &#8220;escape velocity&#8221; means.</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just my impression or its &quot;squased&quot;? It seems that there are depression &quot;lines&quot; on its equator and that its squeezed on its poles (based on the video).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just my impression or its &#8220;squased&#8221;? It seems that there are depression &#8220;lines&#8221; on its equator and that its squeezed on its poles (based on the video).</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usual convention is that the north pole is defined as the rotational pole that lies above the invariable plane of the solar system (the plane normal to the sum of the orbital angular momentum vectors of the major planets). This causes interesting problems if you have an object whose axis precesses above and below this plane.

The other and in my opinion more logical choice is to use the sense of the rotation to define north by sense of rotation (look down on the north pole and the planet appears to rotate anticlockwise), but this can be more difficult to determine observationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usual convention is that the north pole is defined as the rotational pole that lies above the invariable plane of the solar system (the plane normal to the sum of the orbital angular momentum vectors of the major planets). This causes interesting problems if you have an object whose axis precesses above and below this plane.</p>
<p>The other and in my opinion more logical choice is to use the sense of the rotation to define north by sense of rotation (look down on the north pole and the planet appears to rotate anticlockwise), but this can be more difficult to determine observationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MT-LA @ #11 asked: &quot;...how can an asteroid have a south pole (or north pole for that matter)?&quot;

Because it&#039;s spinning. At two points on Vesta&#039;s surface, the axis of rotation intersects the surface, just like on Earth. As to which one is the North Pole and which one is the South Pole, I assume it&#039;s determined by whether it&#039;s spinning the same direction as the Earth or the opposite direction.

&quot;Are poles defined by the magnetic poles, or is it simply by the axis of spin?&quot;

I&#039;m going to guess the second. I doubt Vesta has a magnetic field, though I suppose that just means it&#039;s waiting there to surprise astronomers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT-LA @ #11 asked: &#8220;&#8230;how can an asteroid have a south pole (or north pole for that matter)?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s spinning. At two points on Vesta&#8217;s surface, the axis of rotation intersects the surface, just like on Earth. As to which one is the North Pole and which one is the South Pole, I assume it&#8217;s determined by whether it&#8217;s spinning the same direction as the Earth or the opposite direction.</p>
<p>&#8220;Are poles defined by the magnetic poles, or is it simply by the axis of spin?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to guess the second. I doubt Vesta has a magnetic field, though I suppose that just means it&#8217;s waiting there to surprise astronomers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I just read #31, and it looks like I got it a bit wrong in #35.</description>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/01/vesta-in-breathtaking-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-403155</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tadej (29) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I mean in my layman’s opinion if the “chunk of rock” is VERY small (small as Vesta or even smaller, see below paragraph) there might not be enough gravitational force/pull to pull you back (to the “point of your last impulse”) and return you to the ground.

For example, what about if the asteroid in question would be only 10 miles in diameter (or only 1 mile etc.), would this rule that you’ve described still apply?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I am not a physicist / astronomer either, but if I understand correctly it doesn&#039;t matter how far away from the rock you get, you will still experience its gravitational influence.  The only way in which you can ever &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; fall back to the rock is if some other massive body captures you.

So, if you go into orbit around the rock, the point of your last mpulse will be on that orbit, and since you pushed off from the rock to get that impulse, your orbit &lt;i&gt;must &lt;/i&gt;intersect with the surface of the rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tadej (29) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean in my layman’s opinion if the “chunk of rock” is VERY small (small as Vesta or even smaller, see below paragraph) there might not be enough gravitational force/pull to pull you back (to the “point of your last impulse”) and return you to the ground.</p>
<p>For example, what about if the asteroid in question would be only 10 miles in diameter (or only 1 mile etc.), would this rule that you’ve described still apply?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I am not a physicist / astronomer either, but if I understand correctly it doesn&#8217;t matter how far away from the rock you get, you will still experience its gravitational influence.  The only way in which you can ever <b>not</b> fall back to the rock is if some other massive body captures you.</p>
<p>So, if you go into orbit around the rock, the point of your last mpulse will be on that orbit, and since you pushed off from the rock to get that impulse, your orbit <i>must </i>intersect with the surface of the rock.</p>
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		<title>By: The Barber of Civility</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Barber of Civility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all have it soooooo wrong.  Those are tire tracks!

This must be where they build and test monster trucks.</description>
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<p>This must be where they build and test monster trucks.</p>
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		<title>By: SkyGazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkyGazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>500km... that´s Amsterdam-Paris.
Put three on a row and you cover Amsterdam-Mallorca...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>500km&#8230; that´s Amsterdam-Paris.<br />
Put three on a row and you cover Amsterdam-Mallorca&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/01/vesta-in-breathtaking-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-403110</link>
		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 07:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...and those parallel grooves are from waves of energy moving through the asteroid during the impact event...&quot;

Hmmm...you sure about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and those parallel grooves are from waves of energy moving through the asteroid during the impact event&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;you sure about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Vesta images from NASA probe &#124; wabbit42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vesta images from NASA probe &#124; wabbit42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 07:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] images and more information on Bad Astronomy.    Posted in Uncategorized  &#124; Leave a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jamey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tadej:  Certainly, if the body is small enough, you can reach escape velocity for that body (though you&#039;re not, by human power, going to escape the solar system as a whole anywhere within the Oort cloud or so...)

Escape velocity for Vesta, according to Wikipedia, is .35 km/sec - 350 meters/sec, or about 790 miles per hour.  So, not jumping off of *that* one, though if there were an atmosphere, almost any jet capable of reaching supersonic speeds would work.  And yet, there&#039;d have to be more gravity to have that much atmosphere, so...

23 miles per hour nets you escape velocity from Eros.  Still not quite running speed.  Visiting Itokawa, about a quarter mile long, finds you with an escape velocity of half of a mile per hour, so even a normal walk ends with you in trouble.  Phobos and Deimos are in the same size range as Eros, so you&#039;re looking at about the same speeds there.

So yeah, in theory, on a really small rock, you&#039;re going to get to jump to a very cold and lonely death, unless Tom Corbett happens to be handy.

I&#039;m still thinking computer animations and wild claims at the bar later are a better solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tadej:  Certainly, if the body is small enough, you can reach escape velocity for that body (though you&#8217;re not, by human power, going to escape the solar system as a whole anywhere within the Oort cloud or so&#8230;)</p>
<p>Escape velocity for Vesta, according to Wikipedia, is .35 km/sec &#8211; 350 meters/sec, or about 790 miles per hour.  So, not jumping off of *that* one, though if there were an atmosphere, almost any jet capable of reaching supersonic speeds would work.  And yet, there&#8217;d have to be more gravity to have that much atmosphere, so&#8230;</p>
<p>23 miles per hour nets you escape velocity from Eros.  Still not quite running speed.  Visiting Itokawa, about a quarter mile long, finds you with an escape velocity of half of a mile per hour, so even a normal walk ends with you in trouble.  Phobos and Deimos are in the same size range as Eros, so you&#8217;re looking at about the same speeds there.</p>
<p>So yeah, in theory, on a really small rock, you&#8217;re going to get to jump to a very cold and lonely death, unless Tom Corbett happens to be handy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still thinking computer animations and wild claims at the bar later are a better solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be correct to say that Vesta is a &quot;groovy&quot; place to be? 

Some of those craters really stand out.

I wonder what else we&#039;ll find here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be correct to say that Vesta is a &#8220;groovy&#8221; place to be? </p>
<p>Some of those craters really stand out.</p>
<p>I wonder what else we&#8217;ll find here?</p>
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		<title>By: Tadej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tadej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jamey Note that I am not a physics/astronomer (nor is English my native language :D) and although I do understand the &quot;jumping from the highest peak and rotation moving the peak out from under you&quot; part of your example, the way I see it - regarding jumping off of the asteroid - is more similar to what @SplendidMonkey said above in his comment.

I mean in my layman&#039;s opinion if the &quot;chunk of rock&quot; is VERY small (small as Vesta or even smaller, see below paragraph) there might not be enough gravitational force/pull to pull you back (to the &quot;point of your last impulse&quot;) and return you to the ground.

For example, what about if the asteroid in question would be only 10 miles in diameter (or only 1 mile etc.), would this rule that you&#039;ve described still apply?

But then again, I still have so much to learn... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jamey Note that I am not a physics/astronomer (nor is English my native language <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ) and although I do understand the &#8220;jumping from the highest peak and rotation moving the peak out from under you&#8221; part of your example, the way I see it &#8211; regarding jumping off of the asteroid &#8211; is more similar to what @SplendidMonkey said above in his comment.</p>
<p>I mean in my layman&#8217;s opinion if the &#8220;chunk of rock&#8221; is VERY small (small as Vesta or even smaller, see below paragraph) there might not be enough gravitational force/pull to pull you back (to the &#8220;point of your last impulse&#8221;) and return you to the ground.</p>
<p>For example, what about if the asteroid in question would be only 10 miles in diameter (or only 1 mile etc.), would this rule that you&#8217;ve described still apply?</p>
<p>But then again, I still have so much to learn&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in 1966. Thus at my first school (71+) any astronomy pictures, particularly of objects in the Solar System (except the Moon maybe) were a bit rubbish. Before the Voyagers, before Pioneers 10&amp;11; at the time I loved the pictures of distant nebulae, they were just prettier, more colorful. (Give me a break! I still like &#039;em and I was young)..
Since of course we have such wonderful pictures as the above - I recall a textbook in the 70&#039;s (possibly old even then) with a pic of Saturn that any modern amateur would sneer at.
I am 45 soon - a few weeks - the stuff we now get is beyond anything I would have imagined possible, until perhaps I saw the first Voyager pics. And here we are again, our robotic friends are rather good at their jobs aren&#039;t they?
Cheers Phil, nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1966. Thus at my first school (71+) any astronomy pictures, particularly of objects in the Solar System (except the Moon maybe) were a bit rubbish. Before the Voyagers, before Pioneers 10&amp;11; at the time I loved the pictures of distant nebulae, they were just prettier, more colorful. (Give me a break! I still like &#8216;em and I was young)..<br />
Since of course we have such wonderful pictures as the above &#8211; I recall a textbook in the 70&#8242;s (possibly old even then) with a pic of Saturn that any modern amateur would sneer at.<br />
I am 45 soon &#8211; a few weeks &#8211; the stuff we now get is beyond anything I would have imagined possible, until perhaps I saw the first Voyager pics. And here we are again, our robotic friends are rather good at their jobs aren&#8217;t they?<br />
Cheers Phil, nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: Egad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Egad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like it has at least two double craters created by simultaneous-ish impact of binary asteroids. The bigger pair is really big. 

And grooooves!!!</description>
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<p>And grooooves!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/01/vesta-in-breathtaking-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-403050</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superluminous image! Great work, thanks &lt;i&gt;Dawn&lt;/i&gt; and the BA for keeping us updated on it&#039;s progress too. :-) 

@3. Steve Says: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Can I get a Holy Haleakala brothers and sisters?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You can indeed : &lt;b&gt;HOLY HALEAKALA!&lt;/b&gt; 8) 

Guess we can now say that Vesta is no longer virgin territory as a new &lt;i&gt;Dawn&lt;/i&gt; in our understanding of the brightest asteroid arrives! ;-)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superluminous image! Great work, thanks <i>Dawn</i> and the BA for keeping us updated on it&#8217;s progress too. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@3. Steve Says: <i>&#8220;Can I get a Holy Haleakala brothers and sisters?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You can indeed : <b>HOLY HALEAKALA!</b> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Guess we can now say that Vesta is no longer virgin territory as a new <i>Dawn</i> in our understanding of the brightest asteroid arrives! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CameronSS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CameronSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Construct massive space-phonograph.
2. Send to Vesta
3. Place space-needle in groove, record to CD
4. ?????
5. Profit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Construct massive space-phonograph.<br />
2. Send to Vesta<br />
3. Place space-needle in groove, record to CD<br />
4. ?????<br />
5. Profit!</p>
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		<title>By: Sith Master Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sith Master Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see what is so interesting about  a giant rock in space. How will this help me build my Galactic Empire? Can it be used as a weapon? Perhaps a staging area for invasion of the outer solar system? You scientist-geeks are an amusing lot, always celebrating things that are of no consequence. Without the Dark Side of the Force to motivate our space exploration efforts, this civilization will continue to go nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see what is so interesting about  a giant rock in space. How will this help me build my Galactic Empire? Can it be used as a weapon? Perhaps a staging area for invasion of the outer solar system? You scientist-geeks are an amusing lot, always celebrating things that are of no consequence. Without the Dark Side of the Force to motivate our space exploration efforts, this civilization will continue to go nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/01/vesta-in-breathtaking-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-403020</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s clearly a thermal exhaust port; should come in handy later...</description>
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		<title>By: CraterJoe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/01/vesta-in-breathtaking-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-403008</link>
		<dc:creator>CraterJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!

The three craters that appear to be chained together on the left side of the picture; Are they from simultaneous impacts? If so did they strike at the same time?</description>
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<p>The three craters that appear to be chained together on the left side of the picture; Are they from simultaneous impacts? If so did they strike at the same time?</p>
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