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	<title>Comments on: Virgos have beautiful eyes</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Hanford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411850</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Hanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Phil mentions that NGC  4435 is the likely culprit for the disturbed shaped of NGC 4438, a 2008 paper pretty strongly implicates M 86 (also mentioned above by Phil): http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0810/0810.0711v2.pdf

A striking version of Fig 1 of that paper is available here: http://www.noao.edu/outreach/press/pr08/images/M86.jpg

Note the &quot;low-velocity&quot; red streamers of hydrogen gas between M 86 and NGC 4438. The green &quot;high-velocity&quot; streamers seen near NGC 4388 at lower right may actually result from &quot;stripping&quot; by the IGM of the Virgo Cluster, but this is somewhat unclear. Also, the authors of the paper find NGC 4435 an unlikely player, as the galaxy has a higher cluster velocity than NGC 4438 and it shows no obvious signs of gravitational distortions that should be visible in this low-mass galaxy if it was interacting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Phil mentions that NGC  4435 is the likely culprit for the disturbed shaped of NGC 4438, a 2008 paper pretty strongly implicates M 86 (also mentioned above by Phil): <a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0810/0810.0711v2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0810/0810.0711v2.pdf</a></p>
<p>A striking version of Fig 1 of that paper is available here: <a href="http://www.noao.edu/outreach/press/pr08/images/M86.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.noao.edu/outreach/press/pr08/images/M86.jpg</a></p>
<p>Note the &#8220;low-velocity&#8221; red streamers of hydrogen gas between M 86 and NGC 4438. The green &#8220;high-velocity&#8221; streamers seen near NGC 4388 at lower right may actually result from &#8220;stripping&#8221; by the IGM of the Virgo Cluster, but this is somewhat unclear. Also, the authors of the paper find NGC 4435 an unlikely player, as the galaxy has a higher cluster velocity than NGC 4438 and it shows no obvious signs of gravitational distortions that should be visible in this low-mass galaxy if it was interacting.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411563</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@1. Diederick (again) - Also see this : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwO1okR074&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=PL00E6D81DC1EEB9CC 

animation on Youtube. 

Plus this one : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-ZVsLf070&amp;feature=related 

As well as : 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090304-black-hole-ripples.html 

for a text article via National Geo.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1. Diederick (again) &#8211; Also see this : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwO1okR074&#038;playnext=1&#038;list=PL00E6D81DC1EEB9CC" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwO1okR074&#038;playnext=1&#038;list=PL00E6D81DC1EEB9CC</a> </p>
<p>animation on Youtube. </p>
<p>Plus this one : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-ZVsLf070&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-ZVsLf070&#038;feature=related</a> </p>
<p>As well as : </p>
<p><a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090304-black-hole-ripples.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090304-black-hole-ripples.html</a> </p>
<p>for a text article via National Geo.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;i&gt; .. And if you’re patient ..&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

And live for near eternity! ;-) 

Beautiful image. :-) 

@1. Diederick asks : 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I know that stars won’t collide when their galaxies do, but what about their central black holes? Do they actually attract each other and can they collide, and what happens then?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They merge into one larger supermassive black hole. Or can often do so anyhow. As (#5) dartigan has noted already.

@5. dartigen : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I don’t know what would happen if stars did collide but it probably looks pretty. (At least, to someone not in the immediate vicinity – like so many other things.) Black holes I’d imagine would sort of merge together, although again I don’t know what happens. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stellar collisions~wise it depends on the mass and type of colliding stars. 

Blue stragglers known from globularcluster studies are one result as are FK Comae Berenice variables which, I gather, result from the merger of contact binaries. 

The collision - merger - of two white dwarfs is one widely acccepted explanation for type Ia supernovae eruptions. 

A white dwarf star passing through a red giant probably strips away its outer atmosphere and produces a white dwarf pairing. 

I&#039;ve seen some suggestions that a smaller star can actually orbit inside a red supergiants thin atmosphere. (Betelguese specifically.) 

Two neutron stars colliding - merging - probably creates a Black hole as well as being a good test for Relativity in the lead up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> <i> .. And if you’re patient ..</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And live for near eternity! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Beautiful image. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@1. Diederick asks : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>I know that stars won’t collide when their galaxies do, but what about their central black holes? Do they actually attract each other and can they collide, and what happens then?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>They merge into one larger supermassive black hole. Or can often do so anyhow. As (#5) dartigan has noted already.</p>
<p>@5. dartigen : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>I don’t know what would happen if stars did collide but it probably looks pretty. (At least, to someone not in the immediate vicinity – like so many other things.) Black holes I’d imagine would sort of merge together, although again I don’t know what happens. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Stellar collisions~wise it depends on the mass and type of colliding stars. </p>
<p>Blue stragglers known from globularcluster studies are one result as are FK Comae Berenice variables which, I gather, result from the merger of contact binaries. </p>
<p>The collision &#8211; merger &#8211; of two white dwarfs is one widely acccepted explanation for type Ia supernovae eruptions. </p>
<p>A white dwarf star passing through a red giant probably strips away its outer atmosphere and produces a white dwarf pairing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some suggestions that a smaller star can actually orbit inside a red supergiants thin atmosphere. (Betelguese specifically.) </p>
<p>Two neutron stars colliding &#8211; merging &#8211; probably creates a Black hole as well as being a good test for Relativity in the lead up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually I think it was more like 3 billion years phil</description>
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		<title>By: Robin Byron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411329</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...our galaxy is headed for a close encounter with the Andromeda Galaxy.&quot;

Oh, what an unimaginable night (or even day) sky that would be. I would so love to see that but it&#039;s just &quot;not in the stars&quot;. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;our galaxy is headed for a close encounter with the Andromeda Galaxy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, what an unimaginable night (or even day) sky that would be. I would so love to see that but it&#8217;s just &#8220;not in the stars&#8221;. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: I am Elenin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411327</link>
		<dc:creator>I am Elenin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lovely!  Never saw them looking quite so eye-like.  Love the couple little satellite galaxies, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lovely!  Never saw them looking quite so eye-like.  Love the couple little satellite galaxies, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Andreas Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411322</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Andreas Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice image, but I don&#039;t see any gigantic orphans in the image, Phil.</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumb question: &quot;They may have actually passed right through each other.&quot; I assume a galaxy&#039;s structure comes from its stars&#039; gravitational attraction. So when the galaxies passed right through each other, there would be a period when most of both galaxies&#039; stars would become gravitationally bound, right? Why wouldn&#039;t that new binding be permanent? Is it because each galaxy&#039;s stars&#039; momentum keeps the galaxies separate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumb question: &#8220;They may have actually passed right through each other.&#8221; I assume a galaxy&#8217;s structure comes from its stars&#8217; gravitational attraction. So when the galaxies passed right through each other, there would be a period when most of both galaxies&#8217; stars would become gravitationally bound, right? Why wouldn&#8217;t that new binding be permanent? Is it because each galaxy&#8217;s stars&#8217; momentum keeps the galaxies separate?</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil be sharing this. Bee-you-ti-ful!</description>
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		<title>By: VinceRN</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two fascinating questions asked by #1&amp;2.  We need more info here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two fascinating questions asked by #1&amp;2.  We need more info here!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411302</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin (#2):
The result of a stellar collision is thought to be a &quot;blue straggler&quot; star (i.e. a larger, hotter star).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin (#2):<br />
The result of a stellar collision is thought to be a &#8220;blue straggler&#8221; star (i.e. a larger, hotter star).</p>
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		<title>By: dartigen</title>
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		<dc:creator>dartigen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, damn. I&#039;d want to see it happen. Like you said, the odds of stars or planets (or hell, even dust particles) smashing into each other is small...but we are talking galaxies here. With a sufficient density of Things in it, it&#039;s probable that somewhere it&#039;s going to hit something else. 

I don&#039;t know what would happen if stars did collide but it probably looks pretty. (At least, to someone not in the immediate vicinity - like so many other things.) Black holes I&#039;d imagine would sort of merge together, although again I don&#039;t know what happens. (Does anyone? I&#039;d imagine the odds of two supermassive black holes colliding would be tiny, and the odds of it being observable even smaller, but I&#039;m not trying very hard to find any info.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, damn. I&#8217;d want to see it happen. Like you said, the odds of stars or planets (or hell, even dust particles) smashing into each other is small&#8230;but we are talking galaxies here. With a sufficient density of Things in it, it&#8217;s probable that somewhere it&#8217;s going to hit something else. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what would happen if stars did collide but it probably looks pretty. (At least, to someone not in the immediate vicinity &#8211; like so many other things.) Black holes I&#8217;d imagine would sort of merge together, although again I don&#8217;t know what happens. (Does anyone? I&#8217;d imagine the odds of two supermassive black holes colliding would be tiny, and the odds of it being observable even smaller, but I&#8217;m not trying very hard to find any info.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fiddlepixels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiddlepixels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting question from Diederick. I would think that the central black holes, though massive, are small, and are more likely to slingshot around each other than collide or be captured in mutual orbit. What do you say Phil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question from Diederick. I would think that the central black holes, though massive, are small, and are more likely to slingshot around each other than collide or be captured in mutual orbit. What do you say Phil?</p>
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		<title>By: Efthimios</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411295</link>
		<dc:creator>Efthimios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two years! Now, that&#039;s what I call an official confirmation of the 2012 scenarios. May Quetzalcoatl, Kukulcan, or whoever else cares have mercy on our iPads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years! Now, that&#8217;s what I call an official confirmation of the 2012 scenarios. May Quetzalcoatl, Kukulcan, or whoever else cares have mercy on our iPads.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If two stars did somehow collide (I&#039;d imagine it&#039;s happened at some point, unless there is a mechanism specifically preventing it), what would occur? A supernova, or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If two stars did somehow collide (I&#8217;d imagine it&#8217;s happened at some point, unless there is a mechanism specifically preventing it), what would occur? A supernova, or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Diederick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/29/virgos-have-beautiful-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-411265</link>
		<dc:creator>Diederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that stars won&#039;t collide when their galaxies do, but what about their central black holes? Do they actually attract each other and can they collide, and what happens then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that stars won&#8217;t collide when their galaxies do, but what about their central black holes? Do they actually attract each other and can they collide, and what happens then?</p>
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