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	<title>Comments on: UARS official re-entry&#8230; and up next: ROSAT</title>
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		<title>By: Doomed Russian Mars probe seen from the ground &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doomed Russian Mars probe seen from the ground &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UARS and ROSAT last year, Phobos-Grunt is making an uncontrolled re-entry, and it&#8217;s not entirely [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pepijn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pepijn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that odds of 1 in 3200 or 1 in 2000 of someone being hit are small odds. Not when it would almost certainly mean the death of that person.

I find it quite staggering how nonchalant NASA, etc. are about this risk, and how cavalier they apparently were with human lives when they designed these things without a good way of bringing them down safely...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that odds of 1 in 3200 or 1 in 2000 of someone being hit are small odds. Not when it would almost certainly mean the death of that person.</p>
<p>I find it quite staggering how nonchalant NASA, etc. are about this risk, and how cavalier they apparently were with human lives when they designed these things without a good way of bringing them down safely&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vince charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>vince charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19.   mechbill2112 Said: 
September 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm 

&quot;So, Hubble weighs 26,000 lbs with no prop system and a decaying orbit... There was a design for a propulsion unit many years ago (before STS-125), but I don’t think anyone is executing on it.&quot;

The docking/thrusting interface is now on the back of Hubble, left after the last servicing mission.  That&#039;s half the battle.  Let&#039;s assume the bird isn&#039;t tumbling with any significant speed.  Getting a thruster module onto a purpose-built capture interface was a problem solved by XSS-11, DART, Orbital Express, etc... to say nothing of Soyuz/ATV.  Of course, if Hubble starts tumbling, lotsa luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19.   mechbill2112 Said:<br />
September 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;So, Hubble weighs 26,000 lbs with no prop system and a decaying orbit&#8230; There was a design for a propulsion unit many years ago (before STS-125), but I don’t think anyone is executing on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The docking/thrusting interface is now on the back of Hubble, left after the last servicing mission.  That&#8217;s half the battle.  Let&#8217;s assume the bird isn&#8217;t tumbling with any significant speed.  Getting a thruster module onto a purpose-built capture interface was a problem solved by XSS-11, DART, Orbital Express, etc&#8230; to say nothing of Soyuz/ATV.  Of course, if Hubble starts tumbling, lotsa luck.</p>
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		<title>By: vince charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>vince charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15.   Jens Randrup Said: 
September 27th, 2011 at 1:49 pm 

&quot;In my view, only a global organization setting global limits and standards for “burnability” or “waste disposal” will keep our skies and ourselves relatively safe.&quot;

Oddly enough, the organization appears to be the FCC.  After Orbital Sciences Corp. inadvertently led to the HAPS explosion, the fines from the FCC, and the threat of being denied licenses to transmit from comsats, led manufacturers to take the issue seriously.  They started minding their hardware and procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15.   Jens Randrup Said:<br />
September 27th, 2011 at 1:49 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;In my view, only a global organization setting global limits and standards for “burnability” or “waste disposal” will keep our skies and ourselves relatively safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oddly enough, the organization appears to be the FCC.  After Orbital Sciences Corp. inadvertently led to the HAPS explosion, the fines from the FCC, and the threat of being denied licenses to transmit from comsats, led manufacturers to take the issue seriously.  They started minding their hardware and procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Langbroek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Langbroek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ myself #38 above:
Someone pointed out to me that the ESA station in New Zealand is a telemetry station only, not a true radar/optical tracking facility. As UARS was no longer sending telemetry, this makes it unlikely that Awarua played any role in the last UARS detections, leaving an even bigger gap untill no-show over Hawaii.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ myself #38 above:<br />
Someone pointed out to me that the ESA station in New Zealand is a telemetry station only, not a true radar/optical tracking facility. As UARS was no longer sending telemetry, this makes it unlikely that Awarua played any role in the last UARS detections, leaving an even bigger gap untill no-show over Hawaii.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Langbroek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Langbroek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 20.   Chris S:
Unless they had some temporary tracking facility in Polynesia (e.g. a tracking ship), they did not have direct groundbased detection capability at the reported re-entry location. ESA station Awarua in New Zealand would already have lost it 3:56 UT, AFSCN Kaena (Hawaii) station would have first been able to pick it up at 4:07 UT. Kwajalein was too far west. This creates an 11-minute gap (3:56 - 4:07) in which the reentry time sits. 
This is one reason why I think space-based observations (DSP and/or SBIRS early warning satellites) were perhaps involved, but not publicly acknowledged because they come from classified DoD satellite programs. The early warning satellites DSP F20, DSP F16 and SBIRS Geo-1 would have had coverage of the reentry location from space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 20.   Chris S:<br />
Unless they had some temporary tracking facility in Polynesia (e.g. a tracking ship), they did not have direct groundbased detection capability at the reported re-entry location. ESA station Awarua in New Zealand would already have lost it 3:56 UT, AFSCN Kaena (Hawaii) station would have first been able to pick it up at 4:07 UT. Kwajalein was too far west. This creates an 11-minute gap (3:56 &#8211; 4:07) in which the reentry time sits.<br />
This is one reason why I think space-based observations (DSP and/or SBIRS early warning satellites) were perhaps involved, but not publicly acknowledged because they come from classified DoD satellite programs. The early warning satellites DSP F20, DSP F16 and SBIRS Geo-1 would have had coverage of the reentry location from space.</p>
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		<title>By: dr_cy_coe</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr_cy_coe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedantism on: &quot;a little over 2 tons, as opposed to over 6&quot;

UARS was 5668 kg, so 5.67 tons (metric) or 6.25 tons (US).
ROSAT is 2,400 (wiki), so 2.40 tons (metric) or 2.65 tons (US).

If the quote concerns US tons, then &#039;a little over 2&#039; doesn&#039;t compare to &#039;over 6&#039; as it suggests that .65 is less than .25.
If the quote concerns metric tons, then &#039;a little over 2&#039; applies, but &#039;over 6&#039; should be &#039;over 5&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedantism on: &#8220;a little over 2 tons, as opposed to over 6&#8243;</p>
<p>UARS was 5668 kg, so 5.67 tons (metric) or 6.25 tons (US).<br />
ROSAT is 2,400 (wiki), so 2.40 tons (metric) or 2.65 tons (US).</p>
<p>If the quote concerns US tons, then &#8216;a little over 2&#8242; doesn&#8217;t compare to &#8216;over 6&#8242; as it suggests that .65 is less than .25.<br />
If the quote concerns metric tons, then &#8216;a little over 2&#8242; applies, but &#8216;over 6&#8242; should be &#8216;over 5&#8242;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Tauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 31. Yeah, blame the Indian Ocean, Mike. Don&#039;t consider the hit it took from the tsunami a few years back. Give it a little slack. Sheesh! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 31. Yeah, blame the Indian Ocean, Mike. Don&#8217;t consider the hit it took from the tsunami a few years back. Give it a little slack. Sheesh! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sir Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see it´s autumn again... the satellites have started falling...</description>
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		<title>By: jack21222</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack21222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying ROSAT is going to ROAST?</description>
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		<title>By: Wzrd1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wzrd1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joseph G, #32, should that rocket look like the one that carried Flesh Gordon when it was hit by the ray?
Boy, did *I* give away my age with that one...

As for astrology, I&#039;ll stick with MY astrologer, Phil. For, he can inform me of the ONLY star of significance to my life, Sol. And he can inform me of events that are of import to the only planet of great interest and any impact on my life, Earth. And he can inform me of the movings and doings of the many stars, which do not impact my life, but teach us new things at an astonishing frequency.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joseph G, #32, should that rocket look like the one that carried Flesh Gordon when it was hit by the ray?<br />
Boy, did *I* give away my age with that one&#8230;</p>
<p>As for astrology, I&#8217;ll stick with MY astrologer, Phil. For, he can inform me of the ONLY star of significance to my life, Sol. And he can inform me of events that are of import to the only planet of great interest and any impact on my life, Earth. And he can inform me of the movings and doings of the many stars, which do not impact my life, but teach us new things at an astonishing frequency.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DigitalAxis:  Hmm.  The solar panels will need to be big enough to generate a surplus of power for said sex machine.  Insufficient power means that it may not be fully capable of getting &quot;on the scene&quot;.  We&#039;ll also need a heavy-lift vehicle big enough to get up, get on up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DigitalAxis:  Hmm.  The solar panels will need to be big enough to generate a surplus of power for said sex machine.  Insufficient power means that it may not be fully capable of getting &#8220;on the scene&#8221;.  We&#8217;ll also need a heavy-lift vehicle big enough to get up, get on up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tribeca Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tribeca Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 03:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indian Ocean takes up 21% of the world&#039;s salt water, so it shouldn&#039;t be surprising UARS splashed down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indian Ocean takes up 21% of the world&#8217;s salt water, so it shouldn&#8217;t be surprising UARS splashed down there.</p>
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		<title>By: DigitalAxis</title>
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		<dc:creator>DigitalAxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 02:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@28: Joseph G

That&#039;s brilliant!  Stupid, but also brilliant.  Mind if I put a few instruments on the Gemini Ultra Sex Life Sat?  You just worry about the money, launch costs and large enough solar panels (for the sex machine, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@28: Joseph G</p>
<p>That&#8217;s brilliant!  Stupid, but also brilliant.  Mind if I put a few instruments on the Gemini Ultra Sex Life Sat?  You just worry about the money, launch costs and large enough solar panels (for the sex machine, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 01:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@UncleAl #23: I suspected the problem would be the mirrors (large mirrors would easily survive reentry), but that has nothing to do with the shielding - unless for some reason the shielding needed to be something very bulky and which would survive reentry, but that still has little to do with the shielding contributing to the survival of other parts; for example, a typical thermal blanket would do its job nicely in space, but it isn&#039;t protecting anything on reentry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@UncleAl #23: I suspected the problem would be the mirrors (large mirrors would easily survive reentry), but that has nothing to do with the shielding &#8211; unless for some reason the shielding needed to be something very bulky and which would survive reentry, but that still has little to do with the shielding contributing to the survival of other parts; for example, a typical thermal blanket would do its job nicely in space, but it isn&#8217;t protecting anything on reentry.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@14 Bigfoot: &lt;i&gt;Since ROSAT is explicitly claimed to be a astronomical satellite, many confused individuals are likely worried that their horoscopes are in danger of malfunctioning. Thus it is time to reflect on the difference between astronomy and astrology once again.

The key difference that I want to point out to both astronomers and horoscope observers, of course, is that man-made astrological satellites never, ever fall out of the sky! I can only conclude that those astrologers could teach their astronomers a thing or two about falling satellite bombardment prevention — it appears that astronomers dismiss astrological advice at their own peril.

Perhaps a simple horoscope check before the next satellite launch is all that is needed — I mean, shouldn’t they check where the sun and moon and planets and stars are before they fling multi-million dollar hunks at them at astromical (whoops, I meant astrological) speeds? Makes sense!
&lt;/i&gt;

Shoot, if astrology really works, then I can only surmise that satellites, being many orders of magnitude closer to us then the outer planets, have at least as great an effect on our lives.  Why aren&#039;t they launching satellites into strategically placed orbits that negate the &quot;negative&quot; traits of various planets and reinforce the &quot;positives&quot;?  They could make &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; focused, creative, happy, loved, lucky, intelligent, and wealthy, &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; the time!  :-P

I&#039;m going to get to work raising money to launch a Gemini Ultra Sex Life-sat  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@14 Bigfoot: <i>Since ROSAT is explicitly claimed to be a astronomical satellite, many confused individuals are likely worried that their horoscopes are in danger of malfunctioning. Thus it is time to reflect on the difference between astronomy and astrology once again.</p>
<p>The key difference that I want to point out to both astronomers and horoscope observers, of course, is that man-made astrological satellites never, ever fall out of the sky! I can only conclude that those astrologers could teach their astronomers a thing or two about falling satellite bombardment prevention — it appears that astronomers dismiss astrological advice at their own peril.</p>
<p>Perhaps a simple horoscope check before the next satellite launch is all that is needed — I mean, shouldn’t they check where the sun and moon and planets and stars are before they fling multi-million dollar hunks at them at astromical (whoops, I meant astrological) speeds? Makes sense!<br />
</i></p>
<p>Shoot, if astrology really works, then I can only surmise that satellites, being many orders of magnitude closer to us then the outer planets, have at least as great an effect on our lives.  Why aren&#8217;t they launching satellites into strategically placed orbits that negate the &#8220;negative&#8221; traits of various planets and reinforce the &#8220;positives&#8221;?  They could make <i>everyone</i> focused, creative, happy, loved, lucky, intelligent, and wealthy, <b>all</b> the time!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to get to work raising money to launch a Gemini Ultra Sex Life-sat  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22MadScientist:  Depends what the shielding material is.  For instance, tungsten is quite dense (70% denser than lead), and generally makes a very good radiation shield, but unlike lead, it has an extremely high melting point and is quite hard.  Tungsten has even been suggested as a material for orbit-to-ground kinetic weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22MadScientist:  Depends what the shielding material is.  For instance, tungsten is quite dense (70% denser than lead), and generally makes a very good radiation shield, but unlike lead, it has an extremely high melting point and is quite hard.  Tungsten has even been suggested as a material for orbit-to-ground kinetic weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the 1-in-2000 figure applies to anyone, not any individual, but that STILL seems &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; freakin&#039; high to me.  Are we sure it&#039;s not a 1 in 2000 chance that it&#039;ll fall within &lt;i&gt;x&lt;/i&gt; meters of a structure/vehicle, or something?
According to teh Google, for each person on Earth, there are over 75,100 square meters of surface area.  Assuming a person occupies about a square meter, wouldn&#039;t that make the odds of hitting someone about one in 75,000 (leaving out the issue of multi-story apartment buildings and underground workplaces)?

EDIT:  I just realized that the inclination of ROSAT&#039;s orbit is such that it won&#039;t come down above a certain latitude, and of course the population of the Earth seems to be concentrated in equatorial areas.  But still, I can&#039;t imagine those odds getting higher then maybe one in 30,000.  That&#039;s still a far cry from the quoted number.  

/Disclaimer: I suck at math.  If someone sees where I&#039;m screwing up, please tell me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the 1-in-2000 figure applies to anyone, not any individual, but that STILL seems <i>really</i> freakin&#8217; high to me.  Are we sure it&#8217;s not a 1 in 2000 chance that it&#8217;ll fall within <i>x</i> meters of a structure/vehicle, or something?<br />
According to teh Google, for each person on Earth, there are over 75,100 square meters of surface area.  Assuming a person occupies about a square meter, wouldn&#8217;t that make the odds of hitting someone about one in 75,000 (leaving out the issue of multi-story apartment buildings and underground workplaces)?</p>
<p>EDIT:  I just realized that the inclination of ROSAT&#8217;s orbit is such that it won&#8217;t come down above a certain latitude, and of course the population of the Earth seems to be concentrated in equatorial areas.  But still, I can&#8217;t imagine those odds getting higher then maybe one in 30,000.  That&#8217;s still a far cry from the quoted number.  </p>
<p>/Disclaimer: I suck at math.  If someone sees where I&#8217;m screwing up, please tell me</p>
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		<title>By: DigitalAxis</title>
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		<dc:creator>DigitalAxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@16 and @18:

Or, was it a spaceship with a baby inside?</description>
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<p>Or, was it a spaceship with a baby inside?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 Jake:
No, we won&#039;t. &quot;Some of the stuff&quot; is not &quot;starting to fall down now&quot;; it has been falling down for decades! Many satellites, which are launched into low orbits ( around 100 miles ), have lifetimes of only a few months before their orbits decay. If they are only intended to operate for a short time, then this doesn&#039;t matter, so they are simply allowed to decay and reenter.
Satellites have been reentering the atmosphere since the start of the Space Age; it happens many times every year. But most of them are too small for any parts to survive reentry. UARS made the news simply because it was a pretty big satellite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 Jake:<br />
No, we won&#8217;t. &#8220;Some of the stuff&#8221; is not &#8220;starting to fall down now&#8221;; it has been falling down for decades! Many satellites, which are launched into low orbits ( around 100 miles ), have lifetimes of only a few months before their orbits decay. If they are only intended to operate for a short time, then this doesn&#8217;t matter, so they are simply allowed to decay and reenter.<br />
Satellites have been reentering the atmosphere since the start of the Space Age; it happens many times every year. But most of them are too small for any parts to survive reentry. UARS made the news simply because it was a pretty big satellite.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys240/lectures/other_views/rosat_mirrors.gif
http://www.mpe.mpg.de/xray/research/gallery/calendar/Kal2003/cover.php

ROSAT&#039;s mirrors are 0.89 tonne of gilded Zerodur (no sweat to 850 C, softens around 1000 C).  It will be orbit to ground impact intact, you betcha.</description>
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<p>ROSAT&#8217;s mirrors are 0.89 tonne of gilded Zerodur (no sweat to 850 C, softens around 1000 C).  It will be orbit to ground impact intact, you betcha.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... will probably have more pieces survive the ride down because its mirrors had to be shielded from heat to operate&quot;

Now why would the shielding mean more parts surviving?  The shields are meant to keep radiation off the mirrors, not to survive re-entry, so unless the shields are a refractory material I don&#039;t see what it has to do with surviving the plunge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; will probably have more pieces survive the ride down because its mirrors had to be shielded from heat to operate&#8221;</p>
<p>Now why would the shielding mean more parts surviving?  The shields are meant to keep radiation off the mirrors, not to survive re-entry, so unless the shields are a refractory material I don&#8217;t see what it has to do with surviving the plunge.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come ON, Germany!
NASA failed me repeatedly.  No jet packs.  No flying cars.  No space hotels.  AND THEY COULDN&#039;T target my stupid house with a falling satellite!
Come on!  I need the insurance money!  Hit my friggin&#039; house!  If nothing else, maybe I can at least get it rented this year if I can drum up the media attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come ON, Germany!<br />
NASA failed me repeatedly.  No jet packs.  No flying cars.  No space hotels.  AND THEY COULDN&#8217;T target my stupid house with a falling satellite!<br />
Come on!  I need the insurance money!  Hit my friggin&#8217; house!  If nothing else, maybe I can at least get it rented this year if I can drum up the media attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone comment on how exactly they go about confirming re-entry in places where there doesn&#039;t seem to be anything there? Are there particular effects of re-entry that allow eventual finding of satellite records that show it&#039;s passage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone comment on how exactly they go about confirming re-entry in places where there doesn&#8217;t seem to be anything there? Are there particular effects of re-entry that allow eventual finding of satellite records that show it&#8217;s passage?</p>
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		<title>By: mechbill2112</title>
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		<dc:creator>mechbill2112</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Hubble weighs 26,000 lbs with no prop system and a decaying orbit.  Depending on solar cycles, the predicted re-entry was as early as 2021.  17% would survive such that the odds of hitting someone are 1:250.  NASA requirements for needing a controlled re-entry were less than 1:10,000.  There was a design for a propulsion unit many years ago (before STS-125), but I don&#039;t think anyone is executing on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Hubble weighs 26,000 lbs with no prop system and a decaying orbit.  Depending on solar cycles, the predicted re-entry was as early as 2021.  17% would survive such that the odds of hitting someone are 1:250.  NASA requirements for needing a controlled re-entry were less than 1:10,000.  There was a design for a propulsion unit many years ago (before STS-125), but I don&#8217;t think anyone is executing on it.</p>
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