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		<title>By: The topographic Earth &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; My Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/18/how-high-are-you/#comment-311726</link>
		<dc:creator>The topographic Earth &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; My Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cap, Terra, topographic map  by Phil Plait in Cool stuff, NASA, Pretty pictures &#124; 18 comments &#124; RSS feed &#124; [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/18/how-high-are-you/#comment-311725</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lunchstealer

I work somewhat in the field and one important reason that the SRTM dataset is 90 meters is that the data volume is lower. In fact the SRTM global mosaic at 90m is still about 120 gigabytes of data.

Its actually quite a bit of a problem that this new GDEM v2 is at 30m since that means that its size would be 9 times larger if it covered the same area but as you mention this dataset covers up to 83 latitude which in the WGS84 coordinate system means quite a bit more map space.

Additionally I have heard from other people who have read the validation report that the real resolution is quite a bit less than 30 meters and that the choice of 30m pixels is based on the ASTER sensor not on the meaningful resolution for the dataset.

All that said, that this dataset covers more than the widely used SRTM is important since the 60 latitude limitation on that excludes many northern areas of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lunchstealer</p>
<p>I work somewhat in the field and one important reason that the SRTM dataset is 90 meters is that the data volume is lower. In fact the SRTM global mosaic at 90m is still about 120 gigabytes of data.</p>
<p>Its actually quite a bit of a problem that this new GDEM v2 is at 30m since that means that its size would be 9 times larger if it covered the same area but as you mention this dataset covers up to 83 latitude which in the WGS84 coordinate system means quite a bit more map space.</p>
<p>Additionally I have heard from other people who have read the validation report that the real resolution is quite a bit less than 30 meters and that the choice of 30m pixels is based on the ASTER sensor not on the meaningful resolution for the dataset.</p>
<p>All that said, that this dataset covers more than the widely used SRTM is important since the 60 latitude limitation on that excludes many northern areas of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: ASTER imágenes topográficas de alta resolución del mundo, versión 2</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/18/how-high-are-you/#comment-311724</link>
		<dc:creator>ASTER imágenes topográficas de alta resolución del mundo, versión 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lunchstealer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/18/how-high-are-you/#comment-311723</link>
		<dc:creator>lunchstealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That will definitely be useful north of 60%, where the SRTM (Shuttle Radar Topography Mission) data cuts off.  I fiddled around with some of this data in Florida (admittedly a very difficult place for stereo-derived topography), and it&#039;s pretty noisy, compared to USGS 1:24k DEMs.  I think it will also be useful in areas of high topography where the side-looking radar of the SRTM missions had large gaps.  Also, the SRTM dataset is intentionally degraded from 30m resolution to 90m resolution outside the US, for reasons that have never really been clear to me.

Also, Don, Mr. Phil likes to coin his own neologisms for &#039;embiggenate&#039;.  So if you&#039;re expanding an image that includes mesas, you are &#039;enmesanating&#039; the image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That will definitely be useful north of 60%, where the SRTM (Shuttle Radar Topography Mission) data cuts off.  I fiddled around with some of this data in Florida (admittedly a very difficult place for stereo-derived topography), and it&#8217;s pretty noisy, compared to USGS 1:24k DEMs.  I think it will also be useful in areas of high topography where the side-looking radar of the SRTM missions had large gaps.  Also, the SRTM dataset is intentionally degraded from 30m resolution to 90m resolution outside the US, for reasons that have never really been clear to me.</p>
<p>Also, Don, Mr. Phil likes to coin his own neologisms for &#8216;embiggenate&#8217;.  So if you&#8217;re expanding an image that includes mesas, you are &#8216;enmesanating&#8217; the image.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Bunnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Bunnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious about the word &quot;enmesanate&quot;  as in &quot;click to enmesanate&quot;  I couldn&#039;t find any reference to a definition for this word anywhere.  While is is an interesting construction, it was hard to determine its meaning from context.  I could only assume that it meant to raise and flatten as in a mesa.  I was disappointed to find the map was just enlarged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious about the word &#8220;enmesanate&#8221;  as in &#8220;click to enmesanate&#8221;  I couldn&#8217;t find any reference to a definition for this word anywhere.  While is is an interesting construction, it was hard to determine its meaning from context.  I could only assume that it meant to raise and flatten as in a mesa.  I was disappointed to find the map was just enlarged.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Bellis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/18/how-high-are-you/#comment-311721</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Bellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up my own post.

A possibly simpler way of saying it is that at the poles, the land:sea ratio is disproportionately high (at ~1:1) than the planet as a whole (~29:71).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up my own post.</p>
<p>A possibly simpler way of saying it is that at the poles, the land:sea ratio is disproportionately high (at ~1:1) than the planet as a whole (~29:71).</p>
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		<title>By: Blargh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blargh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyway, if you want to download the ASTER data yourself, you can: it’s public.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
... but it&#039;ll take you hours to figure out &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt;, and you&#039;ll have to create a bunch of thoroughly unnecessary accounts to do so.

I can&#039;t for the life of me imagine why they&#039;re making it this difficult. The Blue Marble images, by comparison, are easily accessible and directly downloadable over HTTP, FTP, and bittorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyway, if you want to download the ASTER data yourself, you can: it’s public.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; but it&#8217;ll take you hours to figure out <i>how</i>, and you&#8217;ll have to create a bunch of thoroughly unnecessary accounts to do so.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t for the life of me imagine why they&#8217;re making it this difficult. The Blue Marble images, by comparison, are easily accessible and directly downloadable over HTTP, FTP, and bittorrent.</p>
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		<title>By: Infinite123Lifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infinite123Lifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13
I should have actually drawn lines on the ball :) always thanks for the FYI&#039;s ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13<br />
I should have actually drawn lines on the ball <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  always thanks for the FYI&#8217;s <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ray Bellis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/18/how-high-are-you/#comment-311718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Bellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The release actually says it covers 99% of the _landmass_, not the Earth.

There&#039;s barely any land in the Arctic above 83ºN, but in the Antarctic below 83ºS it&#039;s 100% land (with maybe the odd frozen lake below the ice cap).  I&#039;ll net those out and assume that half of the total area missed is land (i.e. 0.375% of the globe).

Hence the coverage figure needs to account for that missing chunk.   A quick search reveals that land covers 29.22% of the globe, but ASTER has missed that 0.375% of the global land coverage at the poles, so by my rough calculation they&#039;ve actually only covered 98.71% of the _landmass_, compared to 99.25% of the planet.

i.e. 100 * (29.22 - 0.375) / 29.22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The release actually says it covers 99% of the _landmass_, not the Earth.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s barely any land in the Arctic above 83ºN, but in the Antarctic below 83ºS it&#8217;s 100% land (with maybe the odd frozen lake below the ice cap).  I&#8217;ll net those out and assume that half of the total area missed is land (i.e. 0.375% of the globe).</p>
<p>Hence the coverage figure needs to account for that missing chunk.   A quick search reveals that land covers 29.22% of the globe, but ASTER has missed that 0.375% of the global land coverage at the poles, so by my rough calculation they&#8217;ve actually only covered 98.71% of the _landmass_, compared to 99.25% of the planet.</p>
<p>i.e. 100 * (29.22 &#8211; 0.375) / 29.22</p>
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		<title>By: Fleegman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fleegman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing the Grand Canyon like this, makes it even more amazing that it was created in just a year. Those were some seriously choppy seas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing the Grand Canyon like this, makes it even more amazing that it was created in just a year. Those were some seriously choppy seas.</p>
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