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	<title>Comments on: What to expect from a Rick Perry administration: active suppression of science</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Scottynuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottynuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But mostly I&#039;m all Labrador retriever.&quot;

&quot;Oh, y-y-y-y-you are n-n-n-not a Labrador retriever.&quot;

&quot;Well, get me a Labrador and I&#039;ll retreive it.  Have ya got a Labrador?&quot;

&quot;N-n-n-n-n-no.&quot;

&quot;Then shaddup.&quot;

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But mostly I&#8217;m all Labrador retriever.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, y-y-y-y-you are n-n-n-not a Labrador retriever.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, get me a Labrador and I&#8217;ll retreive it.  Have ya got a Labrador?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;N-n-n-n-n-no.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Then shaddup.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I stopped understanding this thread when it became about labradors.</description>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Black Cat (68) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;See, I can do anecdotes too!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OMG!!!  When TBC does anecdotes, you know the end of the world can&#039;t be far behind!

;-)</description>
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<blockquote><p>See, I can do anecdotes too!</p></blockquote>
<p>OMG!!!  When TBC does anecdotes, you know the end of the world can&#8217;t be far behind!</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Infinite123Lifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infinite123Lifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 77

Yeah, a survey of 21 teenagers finds that you are not in the minority there ;) I don&#039;t want all the games. . . I just would like to see at least ONE really good awesome science game for the Xbox and Playstation and PC.  A game good enough to take off and be #1 and really transcend the currently impalpable gaming industry with a new option for all of us.  

Plus its as close as I can currently hope to get to those Vulcan children&#039;s training half spheres and an attempt at educating the undereducated.

You can keep your internets for now QD  :)

Even you would want to leave the politicians behind as you worked to create new elements in your virtual lab to swart of some global catastrophe to embark on a galactic adventure where the elements for virtual Life can be found and toddled with where anti-science does not exist.  A science game could be as cool as you could imagine it to be, and still be horrifically violent. . . just on epic proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 77</p>
<p>Yeah, a survey of 21 teenagers finds that you are not in the minority there <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t want all the games. . . I just would like to see at least ONE really good awesome science game for the Xbox and Playstation and PC.  A game good enough to take off and be #1 and really transcend the currently impalpable gaming industry with a new option for all of us.  </p>
<p>Plus its as close as I can currently hope to get to those Vulcan children&#8217;s training half spheres and an attempt at educating the undereducated.</p>
<p>You can keep your internets for now QD  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Even you would want to leave the politicians behind as you worked to create new elements in your virtual lab to swart of some global catastrophe to embark on a galactic adventure where the elements for virtual Life can be found and toddled with where anti-science does not exist.  A science game could be as cool as you could imagine it to be, and still be horrifically violent. . . just on epic proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: spiridonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiridonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Change.org, Gov. Perry has ordered Texas Rangers to shoot and kill wild burros in Big Bend Ranch State Park. This is being done &quot;to make way for hunting opportunities for wealthy hunters.&quot; How do people like this ever get elected?

http://www.change.org/petitions/texas-stop-killing-wild-burros</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Change.org, Gov. Perry has ordered Texas Rangers to shoot and kill wild burros in Big Bend Ranch State Park. This is being done &#8220;to make way for hunting opportunities for wealthy hunters.&#8221; How do people like this ever get elected?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.change.org/petitions/texas-stop-killing-wild-burros" rel="nofollow">http://www.change.org/petitions/texas-stop-killing-wild-burros</a></p>
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		<title>By: QuietDesperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuietDesperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Infinite123Lifer

You can have my awesome, violent video games when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Infinite123Lifer</p>
<p>You can have my awesome, violent video games when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.</p>
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		<title>By: QuixoticSky</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuixoticSky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@73 Nigel Depledge

Gladly!</description>
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<p>Gladly!</p>
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		<title>By: Infinite123Lifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infinite123Lifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is overwhelming to think of how

…/2011/10/18/what-to-expect-from-a-rick-perry-administration-active-suppression-of-science/

could become a link.

You have a divided world with limited habitability and many different types of people and our working systems by which I mean all systems which make Life possible for us.  From physical processes and chemical process to the way we think.  All systems which make Life possible from the human body and brain to the frogs and the elements and the microscopic and the macro. ITS ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENING all these systems from bacteria on our bodies and dirt on the ground to metal in the core to invisible fields of force and visible invisible fields to the Voyager 1 119 AU&#039;s from our home (1.78 x 10^10 km as of October 2011 (per wiki) Big Huge Smilie Face), there is SOO much going on in this world here. . .  I don&#039;t see how 2 people will ever agree, let alone a state, let alone a million, and when and if the world unites and people are still around I hope they have a stash of a stash of a stash of ideas to create &quot;The Perfect World&quot; from civilizations like ours who have so many people who are at the forefront in advanced thinking and just questioning in general.  Cuz ya lets face it folks, 5-7 billion people currently will not fathom togetherness and maybe only 50% want a better world let alone a Sustainable Creative Explorative Future.  This collective effect of disagreeability percolates all the way to the individual experience of apartness from his neighbor in which every sense of the word neighbor can be used from party lines of Democrats and Republicans being neighbors in the battle, to Astronomical terms how we are a family and in Earthly terms how we are all neighbors or in American terms all Texans are neighbors or in our residential terms I have a few neighbors.  Until all neighbors agree. . . its gonna be rough.

For crying out loud will somebody invent those Vulcan sphere training centers for the Vulcan children in the last Star Trek and give them to everyone including me!

Hey to anyone out there who makes video games.
Will You Just Make Games That Are About Real Proven Worthy Type Stuff okay? dudes and dudettes.  Games which utilize systematic approaches to problem solving.  Progressively building better outcomes of Real Life Parameters to “win” a game.  Like Chemistry or Math or Physics or Geology or Oceanography or Language or just something where kids can actually Learn something.  I mean instead of GTA just call it CMP or GOL.  You could have a geologist running around learning about volcanoes, crawling into suits and using a home school triple beam in his virtual lab doing chemistry at age 8 so that he or she can save us from an asteroid and make em learn something and speak japanese or mandarin or russian into the remote and Avogadro’s number and the volume of a sphere and the concept of a molarity will be burned into my childs brain.  And hey you can learn something in trying to make the &quot;perfect&quot; games for everybody.  I am tired of everyone killing zombies and robbing people and sports games, yeah, they are all popular I know but just don&#039;t worry about that :) like seriously, really :) don&#039;t worry about it cuz instead you have the kids running around selling crack and peddling women and taking down crime syndicates listening to 50 cent on games like Aints Row and the so popular GTA.  Then you got war training games and zombie freakin weird nasty Dead Space, all games which are fun; yet again. . .piss off with that popularity thing :) seriously just don&#039;t worry about that. I mean com&#039;on video game developers! Put Perry on Xbox and Obama and climate change data and wallstreet indexes and dow jones reports and codes to memorizing calculus functions like they were nuthin! Don&#039;t have anybody fighting or debating just figure out a way to make the Coriolis Effect, Obama, Maxwell’s Equations a Tea Party, The Table of Elements and Real #$%@ work out in a “popular” (now is when you worry about it) way by engineering well developed decision making process’s by teaching the world its collective wisdom.  And if you fail, nothing will of changed.  Ah, I am dreaming in public again, probably out of place.   

I do not think I would like Perry&#039;s job.  There must only be so many ways in which to be a representative in Texas.  For surely the trap was set before Perry was ever born, he is not to fault entirely.

Also, I have yet to see a perfect blog, would not know if one existed even if I saw it.  I am not looking for a perfect blog, perhaps that is why I do not care to comment if I find one I do not like.  I just leave without spouting my opinion. Unfortunately maybe for some of you I like BA and tend to spout my opinion a bit much maybe.  After-all these folks are typically all business not opinion, which is why I learn so much about myself.</description>
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<p>…/2011/10/18/what-to-expect-from-a-rick-perry-administration-active-suppression-of-science/</p>
<p>could become a link.</p>
<p>You have a divided world with limited habitability and many different types of people and our working systems by which I mean all systems which make Life possible for us.  From physical processes and chemical process to the way we think.  All systems which make Life possible from the human body and brain to the frogs and the elements and the microscopic and the macro. ITS ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENING all these systems from bacteria on our bodies and dirt on the ground to metal in the core to invisible fields of force and visible invisible fields to the Voyager 1 119 AU&#8217;s from our home (1.78 x 10^10 km as of October 2011 (per wiki) Big Huge Smilie Face), there is SOO much going on in this world here. . .  I don&#8217;t see how 2 people will ever agree, let alone a state, let alone a million, and when and if the world unites and people are still around I hope they have a stash of a stash of a stash of ideas to create &#8220;The Perfect World&#8221; from civilizations like ours who have so many people who are at the forefront in advanced thinking and just questioning in general.  Cuz ya lets face it folks, 5-7 billion people currently will not fathom togetherness and maybe only 50% want a better world let alone a Sustainable Creative Explorative Future.  This collective effect of disagreeability percolates all the way to the individual experience of apartness from his neighbor in which every sense of the word neighbor can be used from party lines of Democrats and Republicans being neighbors in the battle, to Astronomical terms how we are a family and in Earthly terms how we are all neighbors or in American terms all Texans are neighbors or in our residential terms I have a few neighbors.  Until all neighbors agree. . . its gonna be rough.</p>
<p>For crying out loud will somebody invent those Vulcan sphere training centers for the Vulcan children in the last Star Trek and give them to everyone including me!</p>
<p>Hey to anyone out there who makes video games.<br />
Will You Just Make Games That Are About Real Proven Worthy Type Stuff okay? dudes and dudettes.  Games which utilize systematic approaches to problem solving.  Progressively building better outcomes of Real Life Parameters to “win” a game.  Like Chemistry or Math or Physics or Geology or Oceanography or Language or just something where kids can actually Learn something.  I mean instead of GTA just call it CMP or GOL.  You could have a geologist running around learning about volcanoes, crawling into suits and using a home school triple beam in his virtual lab doing chemistry at age 8 so that he or she can save us from an asteroid and make em learn something and speak japanese or mandarin or russian into the remote and Avogadro’s number and the volume of a sphere and the concept of a molarity will be burned into my childs brain.  And hey you can learn something in trying to make the &#8220;perfect&#8221; games for everybody.  I am tired of everyone killing zombies and robbing people and sports games, yeah, they are all popular I know but just don&#8217;t worry about that <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  like seriously, really <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  don&#8217;t worry about it cuz instead you have the kids running around selling crack and peddling women and taking down crime syndicates listening to 50 cent on games like Aints Row and the so popular GTA.  Then you got war training games and zombie freakin weird nasty Dead Space, all games which are fun; yet again. . .piss off with that popularity thing <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  seriously just don&#8217;t worry about that. I mean com&#8217;on video game developers! Put Perry on Xbox and Obama and climate change data and wallstreet indexes and dow jones reports and codes to memorizing calculus functions like they were nuthin! Don&#8217;t have anybody fighting or debating just figure out a way to make the Coriolis Effect, Obama, Maxwell’s Equations a Tea Party, The Table of Elements and Real #$%@ work out in a “popular” (now is when you worry about it) way by engineering well developed decision making process’s by teaching the world its collective wisdom.  And if you fail, nothing will of changed.  Ah, I am dreaming in public again, probably out of place.   </p>
<p>I do not think I would like Perry&#8217;s job.  There must only be so many ways in which to be a representative in Texas.  For surely the trap was set before Perry was ever born, he is not to fault entirely.</p>
<p>Also, I have yet to see a perfect blog, would not know if one existed even if I saw it.  I am not looking for a perfect blog, perhaps that is why I do not care to comment if I find one I do not like.  I just leave without spouting my opinion. Unfortunately maybe for some of you I like BA and tend to spout my opinion a bit much maybe.  After-all these folks are typically all business not opinion, which is why I learn so much about myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary (28) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Same kind of repression of dissent happened with the IPCC and is happening with the current administration. You just would rather be blind to it. Talk about denial…

Science has been hopelessly polluted by politics. It happened when government funding became paramount.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary (28) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Same kind of repression of dissent happened with the IPCC and is happening with the current administration. You just would rather be blind to it. Talk about denial…</p>
<p>Science has been hopelessly polluted by politics. It happened when government funding became paramount.</p></blockquote>
<p>Evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QuixoticSky (23) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I speak now, but I have no peace about this situation anyway. I am a Christian and I support science. I also believe in the separation of Church and State, and wish faith and science alike would be left unabused by politicians. Faith and science should be bringing us hope (and still sometimes do), not backbiting and division.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, preaching to the choir here (well, kinda).

Perhaps you could go tell this to the creationists who are trying to rewrite science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QuixoticSky (23) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I speak now, but I have no peace about this situation anyway. I am a Christian and I support science. I also believe in the separation of Church and State, and wish faith and science alike would be left unabused by politicians. Faith and science should be bringing us hope (and still sometimes do), not backbiting and division.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, preaching to the choir here (well, kinda).</p>
<p>Perhaps you could go tell this to the creationists who are trying to rewrite science?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry too much about a &quot;Rick Perry administration&quot; at this point.</description>
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		<title>By: Stan9fromouterspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan9fromouterspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t claim it for my own, but it deserves to be said here:
&quot;Read my lips - NO NEW TEXANS!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t claim it for my own, but it deserves to be said here:<br />
&#8220;Read my lips &#8211; NO NEW TEXANS!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Infinite123Lifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infinite123Lifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Meagan @ 47 &amp; 64   
  
Despite your explanation I have had several Labradors over the years; Zeke and Sammie come to mind quickly :) and being your run of the mill Lab&#039;s I think it is safe to assume that they are like most Lab&#039;s, within reason, however I assure you that they are both rolling in their graves over being compared to Texas Republicans.  Zeke and Sammie were Nice dogs!  Who Never Signed Anything!  Who Never Hurt Anybody! Who Did Not Ever Lie 2 Me! They Were Loyal out of Love! And they were Furry and Cute! :) And of course most labs are cute and you want to pet them, unlike Texas Republicans.  

Ok, to be fair I do not personally know any Texas Republicans (or I&#039;d probably be making a billion dollars exploiting people and resources right now instead of perusing BA) or know very many Labradors but still, really? . . . and you have a Lab? The travesty.  

For everybody out there that cant stand what the left or right or liberal or conservative or Republican or Democrat crap out there is wanting to hear: don&#039;t compare labs to Texas Democrats either.

At least I am proving your last point @64 that &quot;Free Thought and Intelligence are not *always* found in the same person&quot;  :)

Paul @ 6.  You believe that doggie doo.  People are not created equal Sir.  No matter what the constitution states, no matter what I would want to believe. Sadface.  Follow Perry from birth, now follow a kentucky garbage collector. Sadface. They do indeed have very different lives and opportunities.  Not to say that here in the land of the &quot;free&quot; that the garbage collector cannot become a Texas Republican.  I am just stating people are born different and this inspires corruption in Politics.  Sadface.  And the masses are easily persuaded via many a method and presented limited options. Sadface.  

I am sure there is a medication being made which is supported by a Texas Republican that will take all these sadfaces away though.  The funny thing is. . . I just pet my Lab.

Cheers

I have an idea. . . a. We can all keep pretending like its a perfect democracy or b.  We can notice the reality and the totality of the manifestation of these fifty states in all their positive and negative details and occupy a position which suits the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Meagan @ 47 &amp; 64   </p>
<p>Despite your explanation I have had several Labradors over the years; Zeke and Sammie come to mind quickly <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  and being your run of the mill Lab&#8217;s I think it is safe to assume that they are like most Lab&#8217;s, within reason, however I assure you that they are both rolling in their graves over being compared to Texas Republicans.  Zeke and Sammie were Nice dogs!  Who Never Signed Anything!  Who Never Hurt Anybody! Who Did Not Ever Lie 2 Me! They Were Loyal out of Love! And they were Furry and Cute! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And of course most labs are cute and you want to pet them, unlike Texas Republicans.  </p>
<p>Ok, to be fair I do not personally know any Texas Republicans (or I&#8217;d probably be making a billion dollars exploiting people and resources right now instead of perusing BA) or know very many Labradors but still, really? . . . and you have a Lab? The travesty.  </p>
<p>For everybody out there that cant stand what the left or right or liberal or conservative or Republican or Democrat crap out there is wanting to hear: don&#8217;t compare labs to Texas Democrats either.</p>
<p>At least I am proving your last point @64 that &#8220;Free Thought and Intelligence are not *always* found in the same person&#8221;  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Paul @ 6.  You believe that doggie doo.  People are not created equal Sir.  No matter what the constitution states, no matter what I would want to believe. Sadface.  Follow Perry from birth, now follow a kentucky garbage collector. Sadface. They do indeed have very different lives and opportunities.  Not to say that here in the land of the &#8220;free&#8221; that the garbage collector cannot become a Texas Republican.  I am just stating people are born different and this inspires corruption in Politics.  Sadface.  And the masses are easily persuaded via many a method and presented limited options. Sadface.  </p>
<p>I am sure there is a medication being made which is supported by a Texas Republican that will take all these sadfaces away though.  The funny thing is. . . I just pet my Lab.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>I have an idea. . . a. We can all keep pretending like its a perfect democracy or b.  We can notice the reality and the totality of the manifestation of these fifty states in all their positive and negative details and occupy a position which suits the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Tea For Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tea For Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can’t see what’s “leftist” about protesting against the government censoring scientific reports. &lt;/i&gt;

It is obvious really. By removing the parts of the document about climate change, they make it smaller. That means it uses less ink to print, saving the government money. If you want the full report, then you are demanding that taxpayer ink is used to print it, which is a classic sign of Marxism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can’t see what’s “leftist” about protesting against the government censoring scientific reports. </i></p>
<p>It is obvious really. By removing the parts of the document about climate change, they make it smaller. That means it uses less ink to print, saving the government money. If you want the full report, then you are demanding that taxpayer ink is used to print it, which is a classic sign of Marxism!</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 06:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With all that said, I keep seeing the insinuation that Democrats are objective and open minded and Republicans are closed minded anti-reality folks.&quot;

It isn&#039;t that Democrats are necessarily more objective and open-minded, it is that only one of the two parties has rejecting multiple entire branches of science as their core party platform.

&quot;Most of the big lefties I know “waste all our money in space when we have our own troubles right here on earth.”&quot;

Once again, there is a big difference between rejecting the science outright, and thinking certain research projects don&#039;t have a good enough cost/benefit ratio.  Tell me which branch of science was rejected by all plausible democtratic presidential nominees in any election of the last, say, 20 years.

And in my experience it is the conservatives who say that about NASA while the liberals like it.  See, I can do anecdotes too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With all that said, I keep seeing the insinuation that Democrats are objective and open minded and Republicans are closed minded anti-reality folks.&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t that Democrats are necessarily more objective and open-minded, it is that only one of the two parties has rejecting multiple entire branches of science as their core party platform.</p>
<p>&#8220;Most of the big lefties I know “waste all our money in space when we have our own troubles right here on earth.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Once again, there is a big difference between rejecting the science outright, and thinking certain research projects don&#8217;t have a good enough cost/benefit ratio.  Tell me which branch of science was rejected by all plausible democtratic presidential nominees in any election of the last, say, 20 years.</p>
<p>And in my experience it is the conservatives who say that about NASA while the liberals like it.  See, I can do anecdotes too!</p>
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		<title>By: Ragutis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragutis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was wondering when you&#039;d pick this up, PP.  Not holding my breath for any U.S. media to notice or for anyone to bring it up at a press conference or debate. None of his fellow candidates will hit him with it, they&#039;d do the same, except for Huntsman.

Don&#039;t count Perry out. Unless someone finds him with the proverbial &quot;dead girl or live boy&quot;, he,  like many turds,  will float back to the top. It&#039;s so early, and the Repubs are going through &quot;frontrunners&quot; so quickly, I&#039;m guessing they&#039;ll all have more than one stint at the top of the polls. The only ones with no real chance are Ron Paul and Huntsman. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsskd9LCp_Y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Big Money&lt;/a&gt; * won&#039;t get behind RP, and Huntsman has Romney&#039;s  Mormon problem along with being entirely too qualified and reasonable for the base to tolerate. A couple more idiotic statements from Cain and this will become very interesting... the Jebus mob clamoring for Perry, Bachmann or Santorum and the Money backing  Romney.


*Sorry. I can&#039;t help myself when it comes to Rush references. Oh, and shut up about the hair... it was 1985.  Let&#039;s all try to forget and put it behind us. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was wondering when you&#8217;d pick this up, PP.  Not holding my breath for any U.S. media to notice or for anyone to bring it up at a press conference or debate. None of his fellow candidates will hit him with it, they&#8217;d do the same, except for Huntsman.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t count Perry out. Unless someone finds him with the proverbial &#8220;dead girl or live boy&#8221;, he,  like many turds,  will float back to the top. It&#8217;s so early, and the Repubs are going through &#8220;frontrunners&#8221; so quickly, I&#8217;m guessing they&#8217;ll all have more than one stint at the top of the polls. The only ones with no real chance are Ron Paul and Huntsman. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsskd9LCp_Y" rel="nofollow">Big Money</a> * won&#8217;t get behind RP, and Huntsman has Romney&#8217;s  Mormon problem along with being entirely too qualified and reasonable for the base to tolerate. A couple more idiotic statements from Cain and this will become very interesting&#8230; the Jebus mob clamoring for Perry, Bachmann or Santorum and the Money backing  Romney.</p>
<p>*Sorry. I can&#8217;t help myself when it comes to Rush references. Oh, and shut up about the hair&#8230; it was 1985.  Let&#8217;s all try to forget and put it behind us. :p</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43.   Karl : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Steve, why do you flee? It’s fun observing liberals acting smart. If Global Warming wasn’t political we would honestly equally evaluate the Suns’ influence, or cyclical influences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20&amp;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&amp;index=61 

for an honest evaluation of the Suns’ influence and see :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0HGFSUx2a8&amp;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&amp;index=60 

for an honest evaluation of the cyclical factors alledgedly causing Global Overheating or at least one theory on that.

Plus see : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU&amp;feature=results_video&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=PL4957F2ACA87CF1B1 

which looks at both those points and more.

Question to you; do you really think the expert climatologists are that dumb that they haven&#039;t already considered and ruled out such obvious things already?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Not sure why it’s so hard to find piles of dubious claims trumpeted as truth in the GW community. It’s all over the place for the ones sensing something askew. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh? I&#039;m not even sure what you&#039;re trying to say there. However whatever it is ,some &lt;b&gt;specific examples and evidence are required&lt;/b&gt; to support whatever point you think you&#039;re making there. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; Smoking causes cancer, of that I am certain. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yup. Smoking causes cancer, gravity is real, the world is round &lt;i&gt;(oblate spheroidal anyhow)&lt;/i&gt; and carbon dioxide causes Global Overheating. All these are now well established scientific facts. 

Let me put it this way, you&#039;d trust the NASA rocket scientists to build a rocket to fly into space wouldn&#039;t you? You&#039;d trust the NASA doctor to tell you whether you were fit enought to be able to fly and look after you if you had any medical issues on that flight too, right? So why then wouldn&#039;t you equally trust the NASA climatologists who are telling us we have an urgent climate problem that we need to act on?

PS. Please go have a look at the arguments debunked on the &lt;i&gt;&#039;skeptical science&#039;&lt;/i&gt; website I linked at comment #13 here, okay?  Methinks, it would save you much embarrassment if you checked there before posting and make you seem much smarter and more knowledgeable. If you&#039;re going to argue the Climate Contrarian case can you at least come up with something new to say?  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@43.   Karl : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Steve, why do you flee? It’s fun observing liberals acting smart. If Global Warming wasn’t political we would honestly equally evaluate the Suns’ influence, or cyclical influences.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>See : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=61" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=61</a> </p>
<p>for an honest evaluation of the Suns’ influence and see :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0HGFSUx2a8&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=60" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0HGFSUx2a8&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=60</a> </p>
<p>for an honest evaluation of the cyclical factors alledgedly causing Global Overheating or at least one theory on that.</p>
<p>Plus see : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU&#038;feature=results_video&#038;playnext=1&#038;list=PL4957F2ACA87CF1B1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU&#038;feature=results_video&#038;playnext=1&#038;list=PL4957F2ACA87CF1B1</a> </p>
<p>which looks at both those points and more.</p>
<p>Question to you; do you really think the expert climatologists are that dumb that they haven&#8217;t already considered and ruled out such obvious things already?</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Not sure why it’s so hard to find piles of dubious claims trumpeted as truth in the GW community. It’s all over the place for the ones sensing something askew. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Huh? I&#8217;m not even sure what you&#8217;re trying to say there. However whatever it is ,some <b>specific examples and evidence are required</b> to support whatever point you think you&#8217;re making there. </p>
<blockquote><p><i> Smoking causes cancer, of that I am certain. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Yup. Smoking causes cancer, gravity is real, the world is round <i>(oblate spheroidal anyhow)</i> and carbon dioxide causes Global Overheating. All these are now well established scientific facts. </p>
<p>Let me put it this way, you&#8217;d trust the NASA rocket scientists to build a rocket to fly into space wouldn&#8217;t you? You&#8217;d trust the NASA doctor to tell you whether you were fit enought to be able to fly and look after you if you had any medical issues on that flight too, right? So why then wouldn&#8217;t you equally trust the NASA climatologists who are telling us we have an urgent climate problem that we need to act on?</p>
<p>PS. Please go have a look at the arguments debunked on the <i>&#8216;skeptical science&#8217;</i> website I linked at comment #13 here, okay?  Methinks, it would save you much embarrassment if you checked there before posting and make you seem much smarter and more knowledgeable. If you&#8217;re going to argue the Climate Contrarian case can you at least come up with something new to say?</p>
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		<title>By: fred edison</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred edison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At thinkprogress.org there&#039;s a relevant and interesting article that addresses the issue of climate deniers calling the scientists studying this stuff &quot;alarmists.&quot;  But the bitter and cold irony is that these &quot;alarmists&quot; scientists are being too soft with their projections of Earth changes due to AGW.  There&#039;s growing evidence they aren&#039;t being &quot;alarmists&quot; enough, considering that the Arctic ice is melting much faster than the IPCC models have projected.  Think from year 2100 projections to as soon as 2036.  If anything, climate scientists are understating the impacts of global warming and forced climate change.

Read more here:  http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/18/346333/evidence-builds-that-scientists-underplay-climate-impacts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At thinkprogress.org there&#8217;s a relevant and interesting article that addresses the issue of climate deniers calling the scientists studying this stuff &#8220;alarmists.&#8221;  But the bitter and cold irony is that these &#8220;alarmists&#8221; scientists are being too soft with their projections of Earth changes due to AGW.  There&#8217;s growing evidence they aren&#8217;t being &#8220;alarmists&#8221; enough, considering that the Arctic ice is melting much faster than the IPCC models have projected.  Think from year 2100 projections to as soon as 2036.  If anything, climate scientists are understating the impacts of global warming and forced climate change.</p>
<p>Read more here:  <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/18/346333/evidence-builds-that-scientists-underplay-climate-impacts/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/18/346333/evidence-builds-that-scientists-underplay-climate-impacts/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Meagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@52.   QuietDesperation

Absolutely nothing as a dog breed.  I love my lab.  The comparison I was *trying* to make was the labs are extremely loyal, and follow where their masters go, all the time, and don&#039;t really tend to think for themselves.  And I know some extremely intelligent republicans who stick to the party line strictly because it is what they&#039;ve been told to do. Free thought and intelligence are not *always* found in the same person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@52.   QuietDesperation</p>
<p>Absolutely nothing as a dog breed.  I love my lab.  The comparison I was *trying* to make was the labs are extremely loyal, and follow where their masters go, all the time, and don&#8217;t really tend to think for themselves.  And I know some extremely intelligent republicans who stick to the party line strictly because it is what they&#8217;ve been told to do. Free thought and intelligence are not *always* found in the same person.</p>
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		<title>By: lawny</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most folks vote for the guy they&#039;d like to drink a Saturday night beer with.  I suspect that is his appeal as I can&#039;t see any other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most folks vote for the guy they&#8217;d like to drink a Saturday night beer with.  I suspect that is his appeal as I can&#8217;t see any other.</p>
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		<title>By: EdF</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not forget that until 1989 Rick Perry was a Democratic legislator in the Texas government.  I doubt he was pro-science, then along with is party change, became anti-science.  I will not vote of the guy, in fact there is only 1 maybe 2 Republicans in the pool I could see myself voting for.  I also agree with Phil that it&#039;s the people&#039;s responsibility to change what the party stands for.  With all that said, I keep seeing the insinuation that Democrats are objective and open minded and Republicans are closed minded anti-reality folks.

From my experience having friends and family on both extremes, they are all nuts and unwilling to listen to reason.  Science and skepticism does not have a place in their views.  Most of the big lefties I know &quot;waste all our money in space when we have our own troubles right here on earth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not forget that until 1989 Rick Perry was a Democratic legislator in the Texas government.  I doubt he was pro-science, then along with is party change, became anti-science.  I will not vote of the guy, in fact there is only 1 maybe 2 Republicans in the pool I could see myself voting for.  I also agree with Phil that it&#8217;s the people&#8217;s responsibility to change what the party stands for.  With all that said, I keep seeing the insinuation that Democrats are objective and open minded and Republicans are closed minded anti-reality folks.</p>
<p>From my experience having friends and family on both extremes, they are all nuts and unwilling to listen to reason.  Science and skepticism does not have a place in their views.  Most of the big lefties I know &#8220;waste all our money in space when we have our own troubles right here on earth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all of Perry&#039;s actions, he seems to me to be everything that Sarah Palin tried to be.

It would be great if voters ensure he isn&#039;t put into office.

I know the rest of out options aren&#039;t much better, but what is one to do?
Wait, I know; run for president ourselves!

Plait for president, I say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all of Perry&#8217;s actions, he seems to me to be everything that Sarah Palin tried to be.</p>
<p>It would be great if voters ensure he isn&#8217;t put into office.</p>
<p>I know the rest of out options aren&#8217;t much better, but what is one to do?<br />
Wait, I know; run for president ourselves!</p>
<p>Plait for president, I say!</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aside: I am neither Republican or Democrat---however, I have noticed something very interesting. On the average, most Democrats I know personally will at least read opinions that disagree with their own. The Republicans I know (a much larger number in my area) tend to want to insulate themselves from any and all dissenting opinions.

Anecdotal, but I think it explains the success of the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aside: I am neither Republican or Democrat&#8212;however, I have noticed something very interesting. On the average, most Democrats I know personally will at least read opinions that disagree with their own. The Republicans I know (a much larger number in my area) tend to want to insulate themselves from any and all dissenting opinions.</p>
<p>Anecdotal, but I think it explains the success of the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: harrytuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>harrytuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if he was a labrador it would make things a lot simpler. we could offer him bones ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if he was a labrador it would make things a lot simpler. we could offer him bones &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Memo to Climate Contraraians here :

Also please note climatology did NOT start with Al Gore who is an irrelevant distraction and NOT a scientist. 

Ideas about Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating (HIRGO) date back to Svante Arrhenius in 1896 (click on my name for wiki-link) with the recent understanding stemming back to a lot of people including notably Roger Revelle*  :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Revelle

and has been well established over many more than just three decades as this : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdALFnlwV_o&amp;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&amp;index=24 

&amp; this : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1g55H6XgA&amp;feature=related 

illustrates.

1977 = 34 years ago, 1956 = 55 years ago, 1896 = 115 years ago.
 A lot longer than just twenty five years.
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If you reject this explanation for planetary warming [HIRGO -ed] you should ask yourselves the following questions :

1. Does the atmosphere contain carbon dioxide?

2. Does carbon dioxide raise the average global temperature?

3. Will this influence be enhanced by the addition of more carbon dioxide?

4. Have human activities led to a net emission of climate dioxide?

If you are able to answer &#039;no&#039; to any of them, you should put yourself forward for a Nobel prize. You will have turned science on its head.&quot;

Source : Page 4,&lt;i&gt;Heat&lt;/i&gt; George Monbiot, Penguin Group 2006.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll second that and add a further fifth question : Just how dumb do you think climatologists are?

Oh &amp; BTW. I have a favourite quote from Rick Perry regarding Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating (HIRGO)  too : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;“You just don’t understand how quickly this can get out out of hand and put people’s lives or their property in jeopardy.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed not, Guv’nor! 

That was seen on SBS World News (Australian TV) Tuesday 6th Sept. 6.30 pm. 

He was talking about the recent Texas bushfires – or wildfires as they call’em over in the States I gather – but it also applies so well to, well, that whole climatology problem he denies is real. 

The news segued from there into a story about an ominous new hurricane off the US eastern coast – and followed mention of the drought and heatwave that helped the wildfires get so severe. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Memo to Climate Contraraians here :</p>
<p>Also please note climatology did NOT start with Al Gore who is an irrelevant distraction and NOT a scientist. </p>
<p>Ideas about Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating (HIRGO) date back to Svante Arrhenius in 1896 (click on my name for wiki-link) with the recent understanding stemming back to a lot of people including notably Roger Revelle*  :</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Revelle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Revelle</a></p>
<p>and has been well established over many more than just three decades as this : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdALFnlwV_o&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=24" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdALFnlwV_o&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=24</a> </p>
<p>&amp; this : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1g55H6XgA&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1g55H6XgA&#038;feature=related</a> </p>
<p>illustrates.</p>
<p>1977 = 34 years ago, 1956 = 55 years ago, 1896 = 115 years ago.<br />
 A lot longer than just twenty five years.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you reject this explanation for planetary warming [HIRGO -ed] you should ask yourselves the following questions :</p>
<p>1. Does the atmosphere contain carbon dioxide?</p>
<p>2. Does carbon dioxide raise the average global temperature?</p>
<p>3. Will this influence be enhanced by the addition of more carbon dioxide?</p>
<p>4. Have human activities led to a net emission of climate dioxide?</p>
<p>If you are able to answer &#8216;no&#8217; to any of them, you should put yourself forward for a Nobel prize. You will have turned science on its head.&#8221;</p>
<p>Source : Page 4,<i>Heat</i> George Monbiot, Penguin Group 2006.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll second that and add a further fifth question : Just how dumb do you think climatologists are?</p>
<p>Oh &amp; BTW. I have a favourite quote from Rick Perry regarding Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating (HIRGO)  too : </p>
<blockquote><p>“You just don’t understand how quickly this can get out out of hand and put people’s lives or their property in jeopardy.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed not, Guv’nor! </p>
<p>That was seen on SBS World News (Australian TV) Tuesday 6th Sept. 6.30 pm. </p>
<p>He was talking about the recent Texas bushfires – or wildfires as they call’em over in the States I gather – but it also applies so well to, well, that whole climatology problem he denies is real. </p>
<p>The news segued from there into a story about an ominous new hurricane off the US eastern coast – and followed mention of the drought and heatwave that helped the wildfires get so severe. Go figure.</p>
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