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	<title>Comments on: The first direct image of a baby planet being born! (maybe!)(but probably!)</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: A nearby star rings in the new year &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/20/the-first-direct-image-of-a-baby-planet-being-born-maybebut-probably/comment-page-1/#comment-462945</link>
		<dc:creator>A nearby star rings in the new year &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 02:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] objects as time goes on, and that includes spying the planets currently invisible in all that muck. We&#8217;ve actually directly detected quite a few planets orbiting other stars, and that list will only get larger with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did the infored images come frome?  Here is the link for the orginal published article from the University of Hawaii and I don&#039;t see those pictures only the artits http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/press-releases/formingplanet/

Secondly I see little evidence of an actual forming planet, there is an equal amount of evidence that the dust is falling off the planet.

Thirdly and perhaps most damning to the evidence of a forming planet is that in 2009 a planetery formation study was done by Erik Asphaug of Univeristy of California Santa Cruz and found:
&quot;Not only must turbulence be low, but the gas must go away before the growing planetesimals spiral in....&quot;

The first link states that gas is present, and Asphaugs study shows that it can not be if planetesimals are to form.

I realize I&#039;m about two months late on this, but I only recently heard about it.  Sorry for the delay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did the infored images come frome?  Here is the link for the orginal published article from the University of Hawaii and I don&#8217;t see those pictures only the artits <a href="http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/press-releases/formingplanet/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/press-releases/formingplanet/</a></p>
<p>Secondly I see little evidence of an actual forming planet, there is an equal amount of evidence that the dust is falling off the planet.</p>
<p>Thirdly and perhaps most damning to the evidence of a forming planet is that in 2009 a planetery formation study was done by Erik Asphaug of Univeristy of California Santa Cruz and found:<br />
&#8220;Not only must turbulence be low, but the gas must go away before the growing planetesimals spiral in&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first link states that gas is present, and Asphaugs study shows that it can not be if planetesimals are to form.</p>
<p>I realize I&#8217;m about two months late on this, but I only recently heard about it.  Sorry for the delay</p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@reidh:
What? Is this &quot;La la la I can&#039;t hear you&quot;?</description>
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What? Is this &#8220;La la la I can&#8217;t hear you&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Planets &#38; Brains &#124; Jupiter Broadcasting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Planets &#38; Brains &#124; Jupiter Broadcasting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The first direct image of a baby planet being born! (maybe!)(but probably!) @DiscoverMagazine.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a boy!  (Sorry, couldn&#039;t resist.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a boy!  (Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist.)</p>
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		<title>By: reidh</title>
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		<dc:creator>reidh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, it will NEVER be proven.</description>
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		<title>By: The first direct image of a baby planet being born! (maybe!)(but &#8230; &#124; Baby Images</title>
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		<dc:creator>The first direct image of a baby planet being born! (maybe!)(but &#8230; &#124; Baby Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rest is here: The first direct image of a baby planet being born! (maybe!)(but &#8230;  Posted in age, an, as, astronomers, astronomy, at, Ed, first, for, form, formation, From, i, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a more serious note, why do there appear to be two blue blobs on the image? Is one or both the protoplanet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a more serious note, why do there appear to be two blue blobs on the image? Is one or both the protoplanet?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed, knowing the usual level of pedantry we all engage in on here (it&#039;s FUN), that nobody has pointed out yet that technically, it&#039;s impossible for any orbit to be perfectly circular. Even though it&#039;s clear what you mean - &quot;near enough&quot; circular, as in the orbits of Earth and the other planets, as opposed to something like Eris or even a comet. But still, I won&#039;t be happy until it&#039;s been pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed, knowing the usual level of pedantry we all engage in on here (it&#8217;s FUN), that nobody has pointed out yet that technically, it&#8217;s impossible for any orbit to be perfectly circular. Even though it&#8217;s clear what you mean &#8211; &#8220;near enough&#8221; circular, as in the orbits of Earth and the other planets, as opposed to something like Eris or even a comet. But still, I won&#8217;t be happy until it&#8217;s been pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Pot Pourri &#171; myskiesabove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pot Pourri &#171; myskiesabove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Bad Astronomy&#8221; has a report on the planet along with infrared pictures and analysis:  http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/20/the-first-direct-image-of-a-baby-planet-be...  THis is kind of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Bad Astronomy&#8221; has a report on the planet along with infrared pictures and analysis:  <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/20/the-first-direct-image-of-a-baby-planet-be... " rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/20/the-first-direct-image-of-a-baby-planet-be&#8230; </a> THis is kind of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: oPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>oPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@32.   Messier Tidy Upper

Really? OK... 

The section of the disc hole behind the star from our view seems roughly half as wide as the section in front of it. This is due to perspective.

If the planet were just in front of the star from our view, and aligned (which by the way it isn&#039;t), then you would have a point.

However, in the picture we are seeing the whole system from an elevated position. 

And in any case, with the current perspective, if we align the planet behind the star (where the disc hole is about half as wide as in front of the star) then wouldn&#039;t it look about half its apparent front-of-the-star size?

That would still be much bigger than the star in the picture.

And the planet is at most at a 15º angle with the diametre of the perpendicular, from our view.

So either the planet is bigger than the star, or the perspective in the picture is wrong. Fail :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@32.   Messier Tidy Upper</p>
<p>Really? OK&#8230; </p>
<p>The section of the disc hole behind the star from our view seems roughly half as wide as the section in front of it. This is due to perspective.</p>
<p>If the planet were just in front of the star from our view, and aligned (which by the way it isn&#8217;t), then you would have a point.</p>
<p>However, in the picture we are seeing the whole system from an elevated position. </p>
<p>And in any case, with the current perspective, if we align the planet behind the star (where the disc hole is about half as wide as in front of the star) then wouldn&#8217;t it look about half its apparent front-of-the-star size?</p>
<p>That would still be much bigger than the star in the picture.</p>
<p>And the planet is at most at a 15º angle with the diametre of the perpendicular, from our view.</p>
<p>So either the planet is bigger than the star, or the perspective in the picture is wrong. Fail <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other exoplanetary news that may be of interest : 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/herschel/news/herschel20111020.html# 

The Herschel space telescope finds oceans-worth of water in the disk of the nearby star, TW Hydrae.

&amp; 

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/possible-planets.html 

Spiral arms are found not in a glaxy but in the protoplanetary disk around pointing to possible planets for the young &quot;sun-like&quot; (?) star SAO 206462.

Plus : 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer20111019.html 

A comet storm is detected around Eta Corvi, an F2 Procyonese dwarf star. (Click on my name here for wiki-page on Eta Corvi &amp; its multiple proplyds.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other exoplanetary news that may be of interest : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/herschel/news/herschel20111020.html#" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/herschel/news/herschel20111020.html#</a> </p>
<p>The Herschel space telescope finds oceans-worth of water in the disk of the nearby star, TW Hydrae.</p>
<p>&amp; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/possible-planets.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/possible-planets.html</a> </p>
<p>Spiral arms are found not in a glaxy but in the protoplanetary disk around pointing to possible planets for the young &#8220;sun-like&#8221; (?) star SAO 206462.</p>
<p>Plus : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer20111019.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer20111019.html</a> </p>
<p>A comet storm is detected around Eta Corvi, an F2 Procyonese dwarf star. (Click on my name here for wiki-page on Eta Corvi &amp; its multiple proplyds.)</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@29.   oPL : &lt;i&gt;&quot;In the artist’s impression it looks like the planet is bigger than its star. Fail.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, perspective. The Moon looks as big as the Sun from Earth when in fact its much smaller by about 400 times. Pluto looks bigger than the Sun by metaphorical miles - when you view it from the surface of Charon. A train on the horizon looks smaller than a moth flying  a few centimeters from you. It&#039;s all depends on your point of view! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@29.   oPL : <i>&#8220;In the artist’s impression it looks like the planet is bigger than its star. Fail.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, perspective. The Moon looks as big as the Sun from Earth when in fact its much smaller by about 400 times. Pluto looks bigger than the Sun by metaphorical miles &#8211; when you view it from the surface of Charon. A train on the horizon looks smaller than a moth flying  a few centimeters from you. It&#8217;s all depends on your point of view! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A Planet Spotted As It Begins To Form &#124; Surprising Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Planet Spotted As It Begins To Form &#124; Surprising Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jess Tauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually its good there are so many super-Jupiters out there, since they make great pit-stops for refuelling by ram-scoop. Gravity boost is icing on the cake- onward to the next system! Another Anthropic effect?

Still- a place like this LOOKS bright and shiny and new, til you realize that its hundreds of light years away, and by now the neighborhood has gone to the dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually its good there are so many super-Jupiters out there, since they make great pit-stops for refuelling by ram-scoop. Gravity boost is icing on the cake- onward to the next system! Another Anthropic effect?</p>
<p>Still- a place like this LOOKS bright and shiny and new, til you realize that its hundreds of light years away, and by now the neighborhood has gone to the dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: oPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>oPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the artist&#039;s impression it looks like the planet is bigger than its star. Fail :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the artist&#8217;s impression it looks like the planet is bigger than its star. Fail <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cardoso</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the Genesis Device works after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Genesis Device works after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Yep  there are indeed such Jupiter analogues - see : 

http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-4357/683/1/L63

&amp; 

http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1719

HD 154345b is one example of such a Jupiter twin. 

whilst this online article :

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3834/earth-planets-common-outer-space 

notes that : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Of about 100 typical Sun-like stars, one or two have planets the size of Jupiter, roughly six have a planet the size of Neptune, and about 12 have super-Earths between three and 10 Earth masses,&quot; said astronomer and lead author Andrew Howard, from the University of California at Berkeley. &quot;If we extrapolate down to Earth-size planets - between one-half and two times the mass of Earth - we predict that you&#039;d find about 23 for every 100 stars.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Which is a positive albeit still uncertain sign too. Not sure if those rough estimate numbers have changed much since that was written but Kepler and CoROT are certanly finding stacks more exoplanets and taking the total of known exoplanets far higher quite quickly. 

That does make it seem like lower mass exoplanets are more common than higher mass ones which matches nicely the way lower mass stars (&amp;, for that matter, lower mass animals) are much more numerous than higher mass ones so, yeah, its not all Superjovians out there! ;-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Yep  there are indeed such Jupiter analogues &#8211; see : </p>
<p><a href="http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-4357/683/1/L63" rel="nofollow">http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-4357/683/1/L63</a></p>
<p>&amp; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1719" rel="nofollow">http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1719</a></p>
<p>HD 154345b is one example of such a Jupiter twin. </p>
<p>whilst this online article :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3834/earth-planets-common-outer-space" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3834/earth-planets-common-outer-space</a> </p>
<p>notes that : </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Of about 100 typical Sun-like stars, one or two have planets the size of Jupiter, roughly six have a planet the size of Neptune, and about 12 have super-Earths between three and 10 Earth masses,&#8221; said astronomer and lead author Andrew Howard, from the University of California at Berkeley. &#8220;If we extrapolate down to Earth-size planets &#8211; between one-half and two times the mass of Earth &#8211; we predict that you&#8217;d find about 23 for every 100 stars.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is a positive albeit still uncertain sign too. Not sure if those rough estimate numbers have changed much since that was written but Kepler and CoROT are certanly finding stacks more exoplanets and taking the total of known exoplanets far higher quite quickly. </p>
<p>That does make it seem like lower mass exoplanets are more common than higher mass ones which matches nicely the way lower mass stars (&amp;, for that matter, lower mass animals) are much more numerous than higher mass ones so, yeah, its not all Superjovians out there! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See : 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/07/theoretically-alpha-centauri-should-have-planets/ 

for why we think Alpha Cen has rocky worlds. I guess we&#039;ll hear more on that if or when such worlds are found. 

See : 

http://exoplanetology.blogspot.com/2009/03/exogazing-pollux-b.html 

for more on Pollux b. 

Plus see : 

http://www.solstation.com/stars2/47uma.htm 

which notes if you scroll down far enough : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2003, astronomers at the University of Texas at Arlington performed refined calculations to determine that the habitable zone around 47 Ursae Majoris, where an inner rocky planet (with suitable mass and atmospheric gas composition and density) can have liquid water on its surface, lies between 1.05 and 1.83 AUs of the star. They found that the development of an Earth-like planet in the inner portion of this zone may survive disruption from the development of known planetary candidates planet b and c. If a small, rocky planet can develop without the interference of planet b, then stable orbits appear to be possible in the inner portion of the habitable zone (Noble et al, 2002, in pdf; and Jones and Sleep, 2003). Subsequent analysis suggests that the habitability of such an inner rocky planet would be boosted if the star was &quot;relatively young&quot; at six or less billion years old and has a &quot;relatively small stellar luminosity&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We don&#039;t yet know of such an exoplanet but this could be a good bet for one of the nearest habitabile exoplanets.  Behind only Alpha Centauri the very nearest star of all - well, almost, depending on whether Proxima Cen is really Alpha Cen C or independent anyhow. 

Pretty sure there are a few other Jupiter analogues - Jovians in Jovian type orbits - that are known too.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See : </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/07/theoretically-alpha-centauri-should-have-planets/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/07/theoretically-alpha-centauri-should-have-planets/</a> </p>
<p>for why we think Alpha Cen has rocky worlds. I guess we&#8217;ll hear more on that if or when such worlds are found. </p>
<p>See : </p>
<p><a href="http://exoplanetology.blogspot.com/2009/03/exogazing-pollux-b.html" rel="nofollow">http://exoplanetology.blogspot.com/2009/03/exogazing-pollux-b.html</a> </p>
<p>for more on Pollux b. </p>
<p>Plus see : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.solstation.com/stars2/47uma.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.solstation.com/stars2/47uma.htm</a> </p>
<p>which notes if you scroll down far enough : </p>
<blockquote><p>In 2003, astronomers at the University of Texas at Arlington performed refined calculations to determine that the habitable zone around 47 Ursae Majoris, where an inner rocky planet (with suitable mass and atmospheric gas composition and density) can have liquid water on its surface, lies between 1.05 and 1.83 AUs of the star. They found that the development of an Earth-like planet in the inner portion of this zone may survive disruption from the development of known planetary candidates planet b and c. If a small, rocky planet can develop without the interference of planet b, then stable orbits appear to be possible in the inner portion of the habitable zone (Noble et al, 2002, in pdf; and Jones and Sleep, 2003). Subsequent analysis suggests that the habitability of such an inner rocky planet would be boosted if the star was &#8220;relatively young&#8221; at six or less billion years old and has a &#8220;relatively small stellar luminosity&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>We don&#8217;t yet know of such an exoplanet but this could be a good bet for one of the nearest habitabile exoplanets.  Behind only Alpha Centauri the very nearest star of all &#8211; well, almost, depending on whether Proxima Cen is really Alpha Cen C or independent anyhow. </p>
<p>Pretty sure there are a few other Jupiter analogues &#8211; Jovians in Jovian type orbits &#8211; that are known too.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@19.   Joseph G : 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Woohoo! I love this stuff!! I mean, I love all astronomy, but you have to admit that the planet-finding research is pretty high up on the “to Boldly Go” awesomeness scale.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I feel the same way too. Exoplanets are also my favourite area of astronomical discovery and it never ceases to amaze and delight me how we&#039;re finding and what we&#039;re finding out there in the Black. :-D

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I do have an offhanded question – it seems like many of the planetary systems we find are quite extreme by our standards. Jupiter is a darn big planet, but it seems like every other exoplanet is a super-Jupiter. And many of them are as far out as our kuiper belt or closer then Mercury. Is our solar system just plain weird? Or does it simply seem that way to me because I’m being, er, Heliocentric?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Well, yes and no. 

We *have* discovered a lot of strange exoplanetary systems and quite a number of superjovian worlds verging on brown dwarf status but we&#039;ve also discovered a lot of exo-Saturns, exo-Neptunes and &quot;super-Earth&quot; type planets (which I&#039;d describe more as Super-Venuses&quot; given the majority are far hotter and more hostile than here.)&lt;/i&gt;too. 

It isn&#039;t just Superjovians or HotJupiters or Eccentric Orbiters and we know of systems with many gas giants that are smaller than Jupiter mass~wise. There&#039;s at least a couple of systems that somewhat resemble our own including 47 Ursae Majoris and in a way, weirdly enough, PSR 1257+12. 

As (#22.) HvP has pointed out its also partly at least a reflection of our technology and  our selection sample is baised by what worlds are easiest to find. Detecting an earth-like planet in an earth-like orbit is something that&#039;s still so staggeringly difficult and time taking to accomplish it&#039;s probably no surprise it hasn&#039;t been done yet. 

The new exoplanets do tell us that many systems are very different to our own - that a lot of suns have Hot Jupiters and Eccentric Orbiters which renders them very unlikely to have habitable worlds in them.

OTOH, it shows us there are a huge variety and number of exoplanets out there orbiting almost every type of star and that Earths while perhaps rarer than we hoped for, are also likely to still be around in reasonably mind-blowing numbers. IOW, planets and planetary systems are relatively common and  abundant. 

We have reason to think that Alpha Centauri may well have rocky worlds, we know that systems like 47 Ursae Majoris exist which do have room for smaller planets in &quot;Goldilocks&quot; places, we know now-ornage giant star  Pollux hosts a superjovian in a circular orbit which could mean it once hosted habitable worlds closer in when it was  a somewhat more sun-like &lt;i&gt;(or maybe more Procyon-like)&lt;/i&gt; star. 

So there are both signs for hope and concern habitable earth-like planet~wise and we still have an awful lot more to discover before we can say much more than that. Insufficient data really still but were getting ever closer and ever more complete in our understanding of these new-found worlds of other stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@19.   Joseph G : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Woohoo! I love this stuff!! I mean, I love all astronomy, but you have to admit that the planet-finding research is pretty high up on the “to Boldly Go” awesomeness scale.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I feel the same way too. Exoplanets are also my favourite area of astronomical discovery and it never ceases to amaze and delight me how we&#8217;re finding and what we&#8217;re finding out there in the Black. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><i>I do have an offhanded question – it seems like many of the planetary systems we find are quite extreme by our standards. Jupiter is a darn big planet, but it seems like every other exoplanet is a super-Jupiter. And many of them are as far out as our kuiper belt or closer then Mercury. Is our solar system just plain weird? Or does it simply seem that way to me because I’m being, er, Heliocentric?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes and no. </p>
<p>We *have* discovered a lot of strange exoplanetary systems and quite a number of superjovian worlds verging on brown dwarf status but we&#8217;ve also discovered a lot of exo-Saturns, exo-Neptunes and &#8220;super-Earth&#8221; type planets (which I&#8217;d describe more as Super-Venuses&#8221; given the majority are far hotter and more hostile than here.)too. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just Superjovians or HotJupiters or Eccentric Orbiters and we know of systems with many gas giants that are smaller than Jupiter mass~wise. There&#8217;s at least a couple of systems that somewhat resemble our own including 47 Ursae Majoris and in a way, weirdly enough, PSR 1257+12. </p>
<p>As (#22.) HvP has pointed out its also partly at least a reflection of our technology and  our selection sample is baised by what worlds are easiest to find. Detecting an earth-like planet in an earth-like orbit is something that&#8217;s still so staggeringly difficult and time taking to accomplish it&#8217;s probably no surprise it hasn&#8217;t been done yet. </p>
<p>The new exoplanets do tell us that many systems are very different to our own &#8211; that a lot of suns have Hot Jupiters and Eccentric Orbiters which renders them very unlikely to have habitable worlds in them.</p>
<p>OTOH, it shows us there are a huge variety and number of exoplanets out there orbiting almost every type of star and that Earths while perhaps rarer than we hoped for, are also likely to still be around in reasonably mind-blowing numbers. IOW, planets and planetary systems are relatively common and  abundant. </p>
<p>We have reason to think that Alpha Centauri may well have rocky worlds, we know that systems like 47 Ursae Majoris exist which do have room for smaller planets in &#8220;Goldilocks&#8221; places, we know now-ornage giant star  Pollux hosts a superjovian in a circular orbit which could mean it once hosted habitable worlds closer in when it was  a somewhat more sun-like <i>(or maybe more Procyon-like)</i> star. </p>
<p>So there are both signs for hope and concern habitable earth-like planet~wise and we still have an awful lot more to discover before we can say much more than that. Insufficient data really still but were getting ever closer and ever more complete in our understanding of these new-found worlds of other stars.</p>
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		<description>[...] Usually I find delivery room videos beyond squicky, but I make an exception for the universe giving birth to a new planet. [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s clearly a blue eyed goldfish.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph G.

Well, the techniques we currently have are best at identifying the most extreme systems, because those are the easiest to spot quickly. Big planets produce a stronger pull on their stars, and close orbiting planets create a faster wobble that requires very little time to identify. To spot the planets in the middle requires more sensitivity and/or more time to pin down the orbital period.

So it may be that these super systems are actually more common, or it may be instrumentation bias skewing the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph G.</p>
<p>Well, the techniques we currently have are best at identifying the most extreme systems, because those are the easiest to spot quickly. Big planets produce a stronger pull on their stars, and close orbiting planets create a faster wobble that requires very little time to identify. To spot the planets in the middle requires more sensitivity and/or more time to pin down the orbital period.</p>
<p>So it may be that these super systems are actually more common, or it may be instrumentation bias skewing the results.</p>
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		<description>I had no idea that planets were still being born.  I guess I thought that stopped happening a long long long long time ago.  This is amazing and has RESHAPED MY BRAIN.</description>
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		<description>[...] The Bad Astronomy link to PICTURES OF A (potential) BABY PLANET [...]</description>
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