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		<title>By: Celebrity wolf OR-7 leaves big tracks, but keeps out of view near Crater Lake &#124; Four Blue Hills (A repository, of sorts)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celebrity wolf OR-7 leaves big tracks, but keeps out of view near Crater Lake &#124; Four Blue Hills (A repository, of sorts)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 05:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Jack Hagerty : Thanks for that interesting reply there. :-)

In retrospect, it was probably not the brightest suggestion I&#039;ve ever made and something I&#039;d expect the scientists involved to have studied already. Hmm ... maybe I can blame that on drinking too many gallons of something myself! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Jack Hagerty : Thanks for that interesting reply there. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In retrospect, it was probably not the brightest suggestion I&#8217;ve ever made and something I&#8217;d expect the scientists involved to have studied already. Hmm &#8230; maybe I can blame that on drinking too many gallons of something myself! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16.   Messier Tidy Upper Says: &quot;@ ^ Jack Hagerty : Evapouration closely matching precipitation a possible partial answer?&quot;

Evapouration only if it&#039;s in Imperial Gallons :-)

The precipitation is almost all from mid autumn to mid spring yet the lake stays constant year &#039;round. They&#039;ve modeled the input and output of every known source/sink of water and come up really short of what must be leaving the lake. I peppered the ranger who was leading our group with the same questions (which is how I learned about the tritium). It obviously has to be going into an aquifer, but no one can find it yet.

It could be leaving through very deep fissures that are part of the old vent directly under the lake, and not showing up in the general water supply until it was far enough away to be diluted past the detection level for the tritium (that&#039;s my first guess, homeopathic lake water!). My second guess is that it&#039;s still down there and is filling in all the cracks in the crust. It sometimes takes a really long time for water to re-emerge. The &quot;weeping rocks&quot; in Zion Natl. Park have a &quot;residence time&quot; of three to four thousand years, and that&#039;s just coming through a couple hundred feet of sandstone.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16.   Messier Tidy Upper Says: &#8220;@ ^ Jack Hagerty : Evapouration closely matching precipitation a possible partial answer?&#8221;</p>
<p>Evapouration only if it&#8217;s in Imperial Gallons <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The precipitation is almost all from mid autumn to mid spring yet the lake stays constant year &#8217;round. They&#8217;ve modeled the input and output of every known source/sink of water and come up really short of what must be leaving the lake. I peppered the ranger who was leading our group with the same questions (which is how I learned about the tritium). It obviously has to be going into an aquifer, but no one can find it yet.</p>
<p>It could be leaving through very deep fissures that are part of the old vent directly under the lake, and not showing up in the general water supply until it was far enough away to be diluted past the detection level for the tritium (that&#8217;s my first guess, homeopathic lake water!). My second guess is that it&#8217;s still down there and is filling in all the cracks in the crust. It sometimes takes a really long time for water to re-emerge. The &#8220;weeping rocks&#8221; in Zion Natl. Park have a &#8220;residence time&#8221; of three to four thousand years, and that&#8217;s just coming through a couple hundred feet of sandstone.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MTU #16: I recognized Josh Radin right away :) I discovered him through a Pandora station I seeded with, naturally, Simon and Garfunkel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MTU #16: I recognized Josh Radin right away <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I discovered him through a Pandora station I seeded with, naturally, Simon and Garfunkel.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@justme - Re tent.

I think the tent and the movement made the video as powerful as it was.  It gives the viewer the experience rather than just the view. I prefer this to many of the other time lapse videos.

@Messier Tid Upper - until I read your comment I just assumed that it was. oops!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@justme &#8211; Re tent.</p>
<p>I think the tent and the movement made the video as powerful as it was.  It gives the viewer the experience rather than just the view. I prefer this to many of the other time lapse videos.</p>
<p>@Messier Tid Upper &#8211; until I read your comment I just assumed that it was. oops!</p>
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		<title>By: JB of Brisbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB of Brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On clear evenings just after sunset, my mother used to say, &quot;Pink and blue in the east, means it&#039;s going to be cold tomorrow&quot;. She was usually right, but being able to see the Belt of Venus meant a clear sky, hence nothing to hold the previous day&#039;s heat in during the night. I worked out for myself that I was seeing the earth&#039;s shadow on the atmosphere, but I didn&#039;t know it had a name until now. Thanks, Phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On clear evenings just after sunset, my mother used to say, &#8220;Pink and blue in the east, means it&#8217;s going to be cold tomorrow&#8221;. She was usually right, but being able to see the Belt of Venus meant a clear sky, hence nothing to hold the previous day&#8217;s heat in during the night. I worked out for myself that I was seeing the earth&#8217;s shadow on the atmosphere, but I didn&#8217;t know it had a name until now. Thanks, Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Jack Hagerty : Evapouration closely matching precipitation a possible partial answer?

BTW. Am I the only one to think the music here has  a very Simon &amp; Garfunkel vibe to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Jack Hagerty : Evapouration closely matching precipitation a possible partial answer?</p>
<p>BTW. Am I the only one to think the music here has  a very Simon &amp; Garfunkel vibe to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10.   Wade Says: &quot;Ancient? It only formed ~7200 years ago. That’s a newborn caldera!&quot;

Thank you, Wade. Methinks our host has slipped a bit.

Also, in addition to being the deepest lake in the US, it is also the clearest. The black-and-white circular target that they use to measure turbidity (particles in the water) had to be made over 2X larger in diameter because the normal one (~10&quot; in diameter) would drop below the level of visual acuity before disappearing!

Finally, there&#039;s a huge mystery as to where the water in the lake goes. It&#039;s fed completely by precipitation (it&#039;s the highest peak in the area so there&#039;s nothing higher to flow down from). Some of it&#039;s direct and some is later snow melt from the walls, but no matter what time of year, the water level never varies more than a foot or so. They know that there&#039;s a &quot;drain&quot; at the eastern end of the lake, but no one has been able to definitively explain where it goes. The water is tagged with tritium coming from the volcanic gasses leaching up from the vent at the bottom, so it would be easy to identify. They&#039;ve sunk wells all around the base of the mountain and none of the lake water shows up. A great mystery!

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10.   Wade Says: &#8220;Ancient? It only formed ~7200 years ago. That’s a newborn caldera!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, Wade. Methinks our host has slipped a bit.</p>
<p>Also, in addition to being the deepest lake in the US, it is also the clearest. The black-and-white circular target that they use to measure turbidity (particles in the water) had to be made over 2X larger in diameter because the normal one (~10&#8243; in diameter) would drop below the level of visual acuity before disappearing!</p>
<p>Finally, there&#8217;s a huge mystery as to where the water in the lake goes. It&#8217;s fed completely by precipitation (it&#8217;s the highest peak in the area so there&#8217;s nothing higher to flow down from). Some of it&#8217;s direct and some is later snow melt from the walls, but no matter what time of year, the water level never varies more than a foot or so. They know that there&#8217;s a &#8220;drain&#8221; at the eastern end of the lake, but no one has been able to definitively explain where it goes. The water is tagged with tritium coming from the volcanic gasses leaching up from the vent at the bottom, so it would be easy to identify. They&#8217;ve sunk wells all around the base of the mountain and none of the lake water shows up. A great mystery!</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Blizno : &lt;i&gt;&quot;I’ve tried to describe winter camping in Minnesota but have never succeed.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Never having been to Minnesota Ican&#039;t say whether you&#039;ve suceeded in capturing the essence of it or not but that description above sounded pretty awesome to me. A very good descriptive attempt at  least. :-)

*****
So mellow. Beautiful. :-)

Superluminous (beyond merely brilliant) view of the stars reflected in the Crater lake waters. Love this. Thanks. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Blizno : <i>&#8220;I’ve tried to describe winter camping in Minnesota but have never succeed.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Never having been to Minnesota Ican&#8217;t say whether you&#8217;ve suceeded in capturing the essence of it or not but that description above sounded pretty awesome to me. A very good descriptive attempt at  least. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*****<br />
So mellow. Beautiful. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Superluminous (beyond merely brilliant) view of the stars reflected in the Crater lake waters. Love this. Thanks. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blizno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blizno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried to describe winter camping in Minnesota but have never succeed.
This too-short video captures some of the feeling.

Drive deep into the wilderness (The BWCA is my wilderness of choice).  No trace of electric light can be seen anywhere.  Motor vehicles (snowmobiles, ATVs, etc.) are forbidden inside the park.
Snowshoe in for hours.  Set up your tent with sleeping pad(s), sleeping bag(s) and lay out your layers of insulation to put on as the night gets colder and colder.
If you have the right equipment and clothing, you can be comfortable no matter how cold and windy it gets.

There are no signs of humans, not even the scent of distant camp fires.  The bears are hibernating so you don&#039;t have to hang your food from a tall branch.

The best reward comes during the wee hours when the sky is clearer than it can be almost anywhere else because there are no lights for many miles and there&#039;s very little water vapor in the bitterly cold air.
The Milky Way looks like Odin had flung a river of milk from Audhumla across the entire sky.  The stars are so sharp that they hurt.  The dimmest of satellites leap out from the other specks of light because they&#039;re moving.

I have been gifted with northern lights only a few times and they were weak each time.  However, I have been serenaded to sleep more than once by the eerie and beautiful singing of distant packs of wolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried to describe winter camping in Minnesota but have never succeed.<br />
This too-short video captures some of the feeling.</p>
<p>Drive deep into the wilderness (The BWCA is my wilderness of choice).  No trace of electric light can be seen anywhere.  Motor vehicles (snowmobiles, ATVs, etc.) are forbidden inside the park.<br />
Snowshoe in for hours.  Set up your tent with sleeping pad(s), sleeping bag(s) and lay out your layers of insulation to put on as the night gets colder and colder.<br />
If you have the right equipment and clothing, you can be comfortable no matter how cold and windy it gets.</p>
<p>There are no signs of humans, not even the scent of distant camp fires.  The bears are hibernating so you don&#8217;t have to hang your food from a tall branch.</p>
<p>The best reward comes during the wee hours when the sky is clearer than it can be almost anywhere else because there are no lights for many miles and there&#8217;s very little water vapor in the bitterly cold air.<br />
The Milky Way looks like Odin had flung a river of milk from Audhumla across the entire sky.  The stars are so sharp that they hurt.  The dimmest of satellites leap out from the other specks of light because they&#8217;re moving.</p>
<p>I have been gifted with northern lights only a few times and they were weak each time.  However, I have been serenaded to sleep more than once by the eerie and beautiful singing of distant packs of wolves.</p>
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