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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/12/mister-terrific-gets-it-right/#comment-314272</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to this entry, I tried out the first few issues of Mister Terrific.  It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve read a &quot;super-hero&quot; comic.  In the second issue, Mike Holt creates a &quot;sonic black hole&quot; and that sort of soured me... being a ridiculous concept.  Some of the other science concepts seemed to be science-based BS: that is, using science words  in odd ways.

Conclusion = not impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to this entry, I tried out the first few issues of Mister Terrific.  It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve read a &#8220;super-hero&#8221; comic.  In the second issue, Mike Holt creates a &#8220;sonic black hole&#8221; and that sort of soured me&#8230; being a ridiculous concept.  Some of the other science concepts seemed to be science-based BS: that is, using science words  in odd ways.</p>
<p>Conclusion = not impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaranath (4) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree with the basic sentiment (encourage support for science in general), but was the comic seriously arguing that was sufficient reason to select a candidate? Science is extremely important, but so are plenty of other issues in politics. Regardless of party, I can’t take a suggestion that a pro-science position overrides all others seriously. I hope there’s some missing context, such as he’s hosting fundraisers for all the pro-science candidates. Though even then the implication is pro-science = get money, regardless of other factors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but what if &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; policy-making were to be evidence-based . . . ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaranath (4) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree with the basic sentiment (encourage support for science in general), but was the comic seriously arguing that was sufficient reason to select a candidate? Science is extremely important, but so are plenty of other issues in politics. Regardless of party, I can’t take a suggestion that a pro-science position overrides all others seriously. I hope there’s some missing context, such as he’s hosting fundraisers for all the pro-science candidates. Though even then the implication is pro-science = get money, regardless of other factors.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but what if <i>all</i> policy-making were to be evidence-based . . . ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Turner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/12/mister-terrific-gets-it-right/#comment-314270</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 03:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Evangelical Christian I have no problem with science, but I do love the stereotype.  In no way does it further polarize america.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Evangelical Christian I have no problem with science, but I do love the stereotype.  In no way does it further polarize america.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Universe: The Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Everyone’s Talkin’ About DC COMICS-THE NEW 52, Monday Evening (ET) Edition</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/12/mister-terrific-gets-it-right/#comment-314269</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Universe: The Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Everyone’s Talkin’ About DC COMICS-THE NEW 52, Monday Evening (ET) Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that&#8217;s not all. DISCOVER MAGAZINE highlighted the science in MISTER TERRIFIC in DC COMICS-THE NEW [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that&#8217;s not all. DISCOVER MAGAZINE highlighted the science in MISTER TERRIFIC in DC COMICS-THE NEW [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/12/mister-terrific-gets-it-right/#comment-314268</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ James, noen, others:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticismandethics.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an interesting blog&lt;/a&gt; that looks at the intersection between science/skepticism and ethics.  I recently met the author at a little skeptics&#039; gathering in my city.  It&#039;s an interesting topic that I think has a lot of room for exploration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ James, noen, others:  <a href="http://www.skepticismandethics.com/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s an interesting blog</a> that looks at the intersection between science/skepticism and ethics.  I recently met the author at a little skeptics&#8217; gathering in my city.  It&#8217;s an interesting topic that I think has a lot of room for exploration.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/12/mister-terrific-gets-it-right/#comment-314267</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Ariely? You mean the advertising man with NO background in economics? Why should I take him seriously? How does economics, which is nothing more than a description of how people act with respect to money, tell me how I *should* act?

&quot;Science CAN tell us what is the *right* thing to do&quot; -- No it can&#039;t and you have given no reason to support your assertion. I have given a reason why science can *never* tell one what one ought to do. It is because science is descriptive and normative. Tell me how facts can tell me what values I ought to have. Observing that most people do X for reasons A, B or C does not tell me why I ought to do X.

&quot;Darwin says love thy neighbour for reasons of mutual advantage&quot; -- Darwin says nothing of the sort. Social Dawinism??? Really?? You mean the people who gave us scientific racism, eugenics, imperialism, Nazism and fascism? You need to do better than glib tropes and crap you read on some web site. You&#039;re aware of course that Steven Pinker is a laughing stock and E.O. Wilson has repudiated his former beliefs, right? You also have to do better than argument from authority. Give *reasons* for your claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Ariely? You mean the advertising man with NO background in economics? Why should I take him seriously? How does economics, which is nothing more than a description of how people act with respect to money, tell me how I *should* act?</p>
<p>&#8220;Science CAN tell us what is the *right* thing to do&#8221; &#8212; No it can&#8217;t and you have given no reason to support your assertion. I have given a reason why science can *never* tell one what one ought to do. It is because science is descriptive and normative. Tell me how facts can tell me what values I ought to have. Observing that most people do X for reasons A, B or C does not tell me why I ought to do X.</p>
<p>&#8220;Darwin says love thy neighbour for reasons of mutual advantage&#8221; &#8212; Darwin says nothing of the sort. Social Dawinism??? Really?? You mean the people who gave us scientific racism, eugenics, imperialism, Nazism and fascism? You need to do better than glib tropes and crap you read on some web site. You&#8217;re aware of course that Steven Pinker is a laughing stock and E.O. Wilson has repudiated his former beliefs, right? You also have to do better than argument from authority. Give *reasons* for your claims.</p>
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		<title>By: James(the militant agnostic)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James(the militant agnostic)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Noen

Actually, there is a whole field of science devoted to &quot;Morality&quot;, among other things, in the form of studies on Behavioural Economics by researchers like Dan Ariely.

Science CAN tell us what is the *right* thing to do, and often it is the opposite direction of where your moral &quot;gut instinct&quot; would mislead you.

(Darwin says love thy neighbour for reasons of mutual advantage)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Noen</p>
<p>Actually, there is a whole field of science devoted to &#8220;Morality&#8221;, among other things, in the form of studies on Behavioural Economics by researchers like Dan Ariely.</p>
<p>Science CAN tell us what is the *right* thing to do, and often it is the opposite direction of where your moral &#8220;gut instinct&#8221; would mislead you.</p>
<p>(Darwin says love thy neighbour for reasons of mutual advantage)</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I really liked about (likely pre-reboot) Mr. Terrific was that his best bud and fellow genius, Pieter Cross, was a devout Catholic, but the two were still friends. They even had long, and very respectful, conversations about faith, what it means, and where the line between science and faith has to be drawn. And old Holt&#039;s actually got some good points: yeah, there&#039;s magicians and gods and crazy nonsense around where he comes from, but that doesn&#039;t mean you should worship it, and that doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t science behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I really liked about (likely pre-reboot) Mr. Terrific was that his best bud and fellow genius, Pieter Cross, was a devout Catholic, but the two were still friends. They even had long, and very respectful, conversations about faith, what it means, and where the line between science and faith has to be drawn. And old Holt&#8217;s actually got some good points: yeah, there&#8217;s magicians and gods and crazy nonsense around where he comes from, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you should worship it, and that doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t science behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwalachmai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwalachmai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Too bad there’s no genius billionaire superhero science-enthusiast IRL who could do this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Mike Lazaridis, only recently dropped out of &quot;billionaire&quot; status, has created and donated huge amounts of money to the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Too bad there’s no genius billionaire superhero science-enthusiast IRL who could do this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mike Lazaridis, only recently dropped out of &#8220;billionaire&#8221; status, has created and donated huge amounts of money to the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
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		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a more science positive political environment would be good but I don&#039;t think being &quot;pro-science&quot; should be a single issue for picking your candidate. The US has long had an anti-intellectual electorate. Richard Hofstadter&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Paranoid Style in American Politics&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is over 40 years old and yet still valid in today&#039;s political scene.

The only reason that Liberals can get away with nonsense like &quot;Facts have a liberal bias&quot; is because the Right has gone so far overboard in their hatred for intellectual elites and paranoid conspiracy theories that they&#039;ve become a laughing stock. But liberals can hold nutty ideas too, just... different ones than those on the right.

The truth is that science is completely unable to inform us about what is the *right* thing to do. It can only tell us, given one&#039;s objective is XYZ you need to adopt policy A and reject policy B. Science cannot point you in the right moral direction, it can only tell you how to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a more science positive political environment would be good but I don&#8217;t think being &#8220;pro-science&#8221; should be a single issue for picking your candidate. The US has long had an anti-intellectual electorate. Richard Hofstadter&#8217;s <a href="http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Paranoid Style in American Politics&#8221;</a> is over 40 years old and yet still valid in today&#8217;s political scene.</p>
<p>The only reason that Liberals can get away with nonsense like &#8220;Facts have a liberal bias&#8221; is because the Right has gone so far overboard in their hatred for intellectual elites and paranoid conspiracy theories that they&#8217;ve become a laughing stock. But liberals can hold nutty ideas too, just&#8230; different ones than those on the right.</p>
<p>The truth is that science is completely unable to inform us about what is the *right* thing to do. It can only tell us, given one&#8217;s objective is XYZ you need to adopt policy A and reject policy B. Science cannot point you in the right moral direction, it can only tell you how to get there.</p>
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