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	<title>Comments on: An unreal picture of sunset at the north pole</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: CharonPDX</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharonPDX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m curious, is this about what a sunset would look like from Pluto or Charon?  (Where the crescent is the other of the pair.)  Obviously without the ocean...</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 23:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the orange glow at the bottom makes no sense given where the sun is.</description>
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		<title>By: DataBass</title>
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		<dc:creator>DataBass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I realize it is not a photograph of a real scene...
But, Damn!  It Sure Looks Pretty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I realize it is not a photograph of a real scene&#8230;<br />
But, Damn!  It Sure Looks Pretty!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picture looks very fake if you are familiar at all with 3D renderings.  This looks like it was made with Bryce 5 circa 2002.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picture looks very fake if you are familiar at all with 3D renderings.  This looks like it was made with Bryce 5 circa 2002.</p>
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		<title>By: slw</title>
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		<dc:creator>slw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My immediate reaction to this picture would be that it&#039;s not the Sun, but rather an artificial light. A Sky Lantern would fit the bill. Closer inspection of course reveals that this is a digitally composed image, rather than a photograph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate reaction to this picture would be that it&#8217;s not the Sun, but rather an artificial light. A Sky Lantern would fit the bill. Closer inspection of course reveals that this is a digitally composed image, rather than a photograph.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moody sky looks so damn familiar. It&#039;s the edge of the lunar umbra. First time I saw it was when the sun rose over the moon&#039;s limb, ending totality of the Dec 4, 2002 eclipse as seen from the Australian desert. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moody sky looks so damn familiar. It&#8217;s the edge of the lunar umbra. First time I saw it was when the sun rose over the moon&#8217;s limb, ending totality of the Dec 4, 2002 eclipse as seen from the Australian desert.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another reason why that&#039;s a fake piccie....if that satellite was &quot;moon sized&quot; and appeared that close to it&#039;s primary, the tidal forces being exerted on both bodies would be enormous. Enough to make that water there hot enough to be boiling and the atmosphere would be full of noxious volcanic gases, so you&#039;d never see that vista to begin with. In any case, the tides on that planet would mean that you&#039;d be looking at the tops of those mountain peaks as the tides would not be measured in metres, but kilometres. To really put the icing on that cake, that satellite would most likely be a pile of orbiting rubble as it would be within the Roche Limit of the larger planet. So you&#039;d have all sorts of debris crashing down onto the surface...not a very nice place to be taking a peek at a vista like this!!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another reason why that&#8217;s a fake piccie&#8230;.if that satellite was &#8220;moon sized&#8221; and appeared that close to it&#8217;s primary, the tidal forces being exerted on both bodies would be enormous. Enough to make that water there hot enough to be boiling and the atmosphere would be full of noxious volcanic gases, so you&#8217;d never see that vista to begin with. In any case, the tides on that planet would mean that you&#8217;d be looking at the tops of those mountain peaks as the tides would not be measured in metres, but kilometres. To really put the icing on that cake, that satellite would most likely be a pile of orbiting rubble as it would be within the Roche Limit of the larger planet. So you&#8217;d have all sorts of debris crashing down onto the surface&#8230;not a very nice place to be taking a peek at a vista like this!!!.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@44.   Sam H : Oh &amp; did I forget to say - please write your 70 Ophiuchi  novel? I did? Well I&#039;m saying it now! ;-)

Btw one minor nit : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;There would be a double planet orbiting the A component of 70 Ophiuchi (known as Ophiuchus Alpha and Beta, respective to size),&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure that works because Alpha and Beta are the Bayer nmae designations for stars as you may already know - Alpha Ophiuchi is the white giant (A5 III) type star also known as Rasalhague with Beta Ophiuchi being a pulsating orange giant  (K2 III) star. 

As Kaler notes (article linked to my name here) the component stars get tagged A &amp; B (upper case) and presumably by current convention the hypothetical planet(s) would get lower case letters  b, c, d, e, etc .. Which, of course, would change once Humans live on them as worlds but I doubt that they&#039;d use &#039;Alpha&#039; and Beta&#039; for them.

For Whatever little Its Worth, My suggestion for planet names - &amp; naturally its ultimately entirely up to you - would be to use some of the astronomers who once suspected third planets &lt;i&gt;(presently unconfirmed at best, refuted outright at worst)&lt;/i&gt;  existed in the 70 Ophiuchi system. To quote from an article I wrote years ago :  

&lt;blockquote&gt;The controversy began in 1842 with J.H. Madler the first to note deviation from Keplerian motion. (Robert Burnham Jnr., 1978.) One of the earliest report on these suspected dark companions caused a kerfuffle leading the collapse of the career of one of the participants. Excitement reached a peak in 1899, when American astronomer T.J.J. See proclaimed that; &quot; .. certain apparent irregularities in the orbital motion of  .. 70 Ophiuchi were explained by the companion having a massive dark satellite moving about it in a 36-year period.&quot; (Ashbrook,1984.) This report was attacked by a mathematical astronomer named Moulton in a paper which showed that such a system would be highly unstable and could not exist. Consequently See &quot; .. wrote an ill-considered letter to the Astronomical Journal that led to his life-long disbarment as a contributor.&quot; (Ashbrook,1984.) This affair was a major factor in the destruction of See&#039;s life, he later suffered a nervous breakdown, and his eventual fate was to remain trapped until his death in the ruins of his career. (Ashbrook, 1984.)
	This episode was not the end of the speculation over a third component to Seventy Ophiuchi for since Madler&#039;s initial finding many others - including W.S. Jacob in 1855 and T. Lewis in 1906 have reported anomalies in the orbit. Despite attempts to cast doubt on the measurements by Dr Strand in 1937 this puzzle refuses to die. A study of astrometric plates carried out in 1943 revealed &quot;.. indications of a 17-year perturbation with an amplitude of about 0.015&quot;; the mass of the assumed third body would be about 1%  of the solar mass. At present it can only be said that more observations are needed to settle the question ...&quot; (Burnham, 1978.) My most recent information on this debate is that as of  1991 it was observed that &quot;the presence of a third body in the system is suspected, possibly a planet about ten times Jupiter&#039;s mass, but the unseen planet&#039;s existence has not yet been confirmed.&quot;  (Motz &amp; Nathanson, 1991.) Perhaps this is one mystery we may see resolved soon given the new revelations on extrasolar planets discovered around 51 Pegasi et al. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Thus I&#039;d like to suggest using the names See and Madler for the binary components although See and Strand (with Madler an outer gas giant or gas dwarf perhaps?) has a certain poetic appeal to it too! ;-) 

&lt;b&gt;Sources :&lt;/b&gt; (as cited in brackets in non-italicised quote.)

Motz, Lloyd &amp; Nathanson, Carol, &lt;i&gt;&#039;Constellations&#039;&lt;/i&gt;, Aurum Press, 1991.
Dole, Stephen, &lt;i&gt;&#039;Habitable Planets for Man&#039;&lt;/i&gt;,  Rand Corporation, 1964.
Burnham, Robert Jnr., &lt;i&gt;&#039;Burnham&#039;s Celestial Handbook&#039;&lt;/i&gt;, Dover publications,1978.
Ashbrook, Joseph, &lt;i&gt;&#039;The Astronomical Scrapbook&#039;&lt;/i., Sky Publishing &amp; Cambridge University Press, 1984.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@44.   Sam H : Oh &amp; did I forget to say &#8211; please write your 70 Ophiuchi  novel? I did? Well I&#8217;m saying it now! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Btw one minor nit : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>There would be a double planet orbiting the A component of 70 Ophiuchi (known as Ophiuchus Alpha and Beta, respective to size),</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that works because Alpha and Beta are the Bayer nmae designations for stars as you may already know &#8211; Alpha Ophiuchi is the white giant (A5 III) type star also known as Rasalhague with Beta Ophiuchi being a pulsating orange giant  (K2 III) star. </p>
<p>As Kaler notes (article linked to my name here) the component stars get tagged A &amp; B (upper case) and presumably by current convention the hypothetical planet(s) would get lower case letters  b, c, d, e, etc .. Which, of course, would change once Humans live on them as worlds but I doubt that they&#8217;d use &#8216;Alpha&#8217; and Beta&#8217; for them.</p>
<p>For Whatever little Its Worth, My suggestion for planet names &#8211; &amp; naturally its ultimately entirely up to you &#8211; would be to use some of the astronomers who once suspected third planets <i>(presently unconfirmed at best, refuted outright at worst)</i>  existed in the 70 Ophiuchi system. To quote from an article I wrote years ago :  </p>
<blockquote><p>The controversy began in 1842 with J.H. Madler the first to note deviation from Keplerian motion. (Robert Burnham Jnr., 1978.) One of the earliest report on these suspected dark companions caused a kerfuffle leading the collapse of the career of one of the participants. Excitement reached a peak in 1899, when American astronomer T.J.J. See proclaimed that; &#8221; .. certain apparent irregularities in the orbital motion of  .. 70 Ophiuchi were explained by the companion having a massive dark satellite moving about it in a 36-year period.&#8221; (Ashbrook,1984.) This report was attacked by a mathematical astronomer named Moulton in a paper which showed that such a system would be highly unstable and could not exist. Consequently See &#8221; .. wrote an ill-considered letter to the Astronomical Journal that led to his life-long disbarment as a contributor.&#8221; (Ashbrook,1984.) This affair was a major factor in the destruction of See&#8217;s life, he later suffered a nervous breakdown, and his eventual fate was to remain trapped until his death in the ruins of his career. (Ashbrook, 1984.)<br />
	This episode was not the end of the speculation over a third component to Seventy Ophiuchi for since Madler&#8217;s initial finding many others &#8211; including W.S. Jacob in 1855 and T. Lewis in 1906 have reported anomalies in the orbit. Despite attempts to cast doubt on the measurements by Dr Strand in 1937 this puzzle refuses to die. A study of astrometric plates carried out in 1943 revealed &#8220;.. indications of a 17-year perturbation with an amplitude of about 0.015&#8243;; the mass of the assumed third body would be about 1%  of the solar mass. At present it can only be said that more observations are needed to settle the question &#8230;&#8221; (Burnham, 1978.) My most recent information on this debate is that as of  1991 it was observed that &#8220;the presence of a third body in the system is suspected, possibly a planet about ten times Jupiter&#8217;s mass, but the unseen planet&#8217;s existence has not yet been confirmed.&#8221;  (Motz &amp; Nathanson, 1991.) Perhaps this is one mystery we may see resolved soon given the new revelations on extrasolar planets discovered around 51 Pegasi et al. </p></blockquote>
<p>Thus I&#8217;d like to suggest using the names See and Madler for the binary components although See and Strand (with Madler an outer gas giant or gas dwarf perhaps?) has a certain poetic appeal to it too! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p><b>Sources :</b> (as cited in brackets in non-italicised quote.)</p>
<p>Motz, Lloyd &amp; Nathanson, Carol, <i>&#8216;Constellations&#8217;</i>, Aurum Press, 1991.<br />
Dole, Stephen, <i>&#8216;Habitable Planets for Man&#8217;</i>,  Rand Corporation, 1964.<br />
Burnham, Robert Jnr., <i>&#8216;Burnham&#8217;s Celestial Handbook&#8217;</i>, Dover publications,1978.<br />
Ashbrook, Joseph, <i>&#8216;The Astronomical Scrapbook&#8217;&lt;/i., Sky Publishing &amp; Cambridge University Press, 1984.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ MadScientist : Yeah. I certainly thought this image looked obviously fake (CGI?) soon as I saw it.

@44. Sam H : Cool idea - I&#039;ll definitely buy your novel when it comes out! :-)

@41.   Joseph G : Aw shucks. Thanks. If I had a newsletter I&#039;d certainly love to have you as a subscriber to it. :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ MadScientist : Yeah. I certainly thought this image looked obviously fake (CGI?) soon as I saw it.</p>
<p>@44. Sam H : Cool idea &#8211; I&#8217;ll definitely buy your novel when it comes out! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@41.   Joseph G : Aw shucks. Thanks. If I had a newsletter I&#8217;d certainly love to have you as a subscriber to it. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny, when I saw the picture I thought &quot;how could anyone think this is real?&quot;  One of my favorite Antarctic photos by a friend was a Jeweled Necklace - a time lapse photo of the sun before, during, and after midnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny, when I saw the picture I thought &#8220;how could anyone think this is real?&#8221;  One of my favorite Antarctic photos by a friend was a Jeweled Necklace &#8211; a time lapse photo of the sun before, during, and after midnight.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@31: Not my first thought but good point! :)

@42: My own explanation for this - this view is from offshore one of the islands of an equatorial archipelago on an Earthlike planet of Alpha Centauri A, with the primary having already set and Centauri B shining on the Horizon, its orange K-class tint obvious at such a low angle and light level. The moon is not a moon nor a mammoth space station, but the smaller body of a double-planet system similar to Pluto and Charon, with our view being on the slightly larger node.

As well, that planet also has it&#039;s own theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwK-ZhTurg

^this also relates to an idea I have for one of the planets in an epic SF novel I currently have in my head. There would be a double planet orbiting the A component of 70 Ophiuchi (known as Ophiuchus Alpha and Beta, respective to size), separated by at least 50000 km. Alpha would be about 1.6 times the size of Earth and uninhabitable due to its 50% 2 atm CO2 atmosphere (but containing valuable minerals, hence the extensive mining), whereas Beta would be a mostly arid world of approximately Earth-size with small oceans, various ecosystems and an atmosphere that is unbreathable (10% CO2), but at a pressure similar to mid-high mountain ranges, being the base of mining operations on Alpha and supporting a population of at least 100 million Ophiuchans. ^I actually just drew up most of these details on the spot :), but one detail I already had firmly set was that there would be an advanced space elevator directly connecting the two worlds, and both would retain their sphericity. Even given the technology of the 39th century, would such a thing be possible? How much would they move/librate relative to each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@31: Not my first thought but good point! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@42: My own explanation for this &#8211; this view is from offshore one of the islands of an equatorial archipelago on an Earthlike planet of Alpha Centauri A, with the primary having already set and Centauri B shining on the Horizon, its orange K-class tint obvious at such a low angle and light level. The moon is not a moon nor a mammoth space station, but the smaller body of a double-planet system similar to Pluto and Charon, with our view being on the slightly larger node.</p>
<p>As well, that planet also has it&#8217;s own theme song:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwK-ZhTurg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwK-ZhTurg</a></p>
<p>^this also relates to an idea I have for one of the planets in an epic SF novel I currently have in my head. There would be a double planet orbiting the A component of 70 Ophiuchi (known as Ophiuchus Alpha and Beta, respective to size), separated by at least 50000 km. Alpha would be about 1.6 times the size of Earth and uninhabitable due to its 50% 2 atm CO2 atmosphere (but containing valuable minerals, hence the extensive mining), whereas Beta would be a mostly arid world of approximately Earth-size with small oceans, various ecosystems and an atmosphere that is unbreathable (10% CO2), but at a pressure similar to mid-high mountain ranges, being the base of mining operations on Alpha and supporting a population of at least 100 million Ophiuchans. ^I actually just drew up most of these details on the spot <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but one detail I already had firmly set was that there would be an advanced space elevator directly connecting the two worlds, and both would retain their sphericity. Even given the technology of the 39th century, would such a thing be possible? How much would they move/librate relative to each other?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is silly.  At the poles, a line drawn across the moon that connects the  terminator ends runs perpendicular to the horizon.  At the equator, it&#039;s parallel.

Argh, that&#039;s not a good job of describing it, but the &quot;smile&quot; should be on its side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is silly.  At the poles, a line drawn across the moon that connects the  terminator ends runs perpendicular to the horizon.  At the equator, it&#8217;s parallel.</p>
<p>Argh, that&#8217;s not a good job of describing it, but the &#8220;smile&#8221; should be on its side.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Stoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Stoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#30 JeffB.
I tend to disagree. Firstly: the crescent is still not by far thin enough with regards to the angular separation between the moon and the star (taking into account the fact that the Sun should be at least  somewhere in the order of a thousand times farther away than the moon, thus rendering it&#039;s rays practically perpendicular). 

Secondly, you&#039;re right that the atmosphere seems to be a lot thinner than ours indeed, in which case the orange color of the sunlight isn&#039;t caused by the atmosphere, but by the spectral type of the star itself. Then the light reflected off the moon, should most probably have an orange tinge as well, which it hasn&#039;t. Both facts lead me to the conclusion that the moon is lit by a second, much brighter and &#039;whiter&#039; star which is below the horizon from our point of view.

In reality, if we&#039;re dealing with a real 3D model here, the star and moon have probably been rendered separately and were combined using photoshop, or the light source representing the Sun has not been placed sufficiently far away in the 3D-space, so a larger part of the moon&#039;s surface is lit by its rays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#30 JeffB.<br />
I tend to disagree. Firstly: the crescent is still not by far thin enough with regards to the angular separation between the moon and the star (taking into account the fact that the Sun should be at least  somewhere in the order of a thousand times farther away than the moon, thus rendering it&#8217;s rays practically perpendicular). </p>
<p>Secondly, you&#8217;re right that the atmosphere seems to be a lot thinner than ours indeed, in which case the orange color of the sunlight isn&#8217;t caused by the atmosphere, but by the spectral type of the star itself. Then the light reflected off the moon, should most probably have an orange tinge as well, which it hasn&#8217;t. Both facts lead me to the conclusion that the moon is lit by a second, much brighter and &#8216;whiter&#8217; star which is below the horizon from our point of view.</p>
<p>In reality, if we&#8217;re dealing with a real 3D model here, the star and moon have probably been rendered separately and were combined using photoshop, or the light source representing the Sun has not been placed sufficiently far away in the 3D-space, so a larger part of the moon&#8217;s surface is lit by its rays.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#4 MTU:  &lt;i&gt;Maybe that’s a view from Titan when our Sun has become a red giant several billions of years hence – stripping away Titans atmosphere, melting some of its ice and boiling and blowing away its rings ?

Or could it be Pluto as seen from Charon or Charon from Pluto in that same aeons further into the future era under a Red or Orange giant Sun?

Or one third option – could we be seeing (well imagining anyhow) a terraformed *Luna* with Earth in that sky instead? Perhaps those two daylight-visible “stars” are nearby large space stations seen from afar orbiting Earth, Moon or one around each. In which case that object thought to be the “Sun” there might just be a lunar light post on a pole with the pole hidden in a mist brought into an airless world by comets and human ingenuity? 8) &lt;/i&gt;

I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#4 MTU:  <i>Maybe that’s a view from Titan when our Sun has become a red giant several billions of years hence – stripping away Titans atmosphere, melting some of its ice and boiling and blowing away its rings ?</p>
<p>Or could it be Pluto as seen from Charon or Charon from Pluto in that same aeons further into the future era under a Red or Orange giant Sun?</p>
<p>Or one third option – could we be seeing (well imagining anyhow) a terraformed *Luna* with Earth in that sky instead? Perhaps those two daylight-visible “stars” are nearby large space stations seen from afar orbiting Earth, Moon or one around each. In which case that object thought to be the “Sun” there might just be a lunar light post on a pole with the pole hidden in a mist brought into an airless world by comets and human ingenuity? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
<p>I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.</p>
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		<title>By: KimS</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s now all over Pinterest, explaining how rare this occurrence is, taken when the moon is closest to the earth etc etc.  It&#039;s worse than that Photoshop that got touted as a castle in Dublin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s now all over Pinterest, explaining how rare this occurrence is, taken when the moon is closest to the earth etc etc.  It&#8217;s worse than that Photoshop that got touted as a castle in Dublin.</p>
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		<title>By: Smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark Hansen #31,

Me too. I found this image ages ago and used it as the wallpaper from my media player. I&#039;m stoked to find the high(er) res picture.


@Messier Tidy Upper,

If you look close, you can see eight &quot;stars.&quot; Three on the left and Five on the right. Perhaps it could be an imagining of the &#039;Pale Blue Dot&#039; family picture as seen from the Pluto/Charon binary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Hansen #31,</p>
<p>Me too. I found this image ages ago and used it as the wallpaper from my media player. I&#8217;m stoked to find the high(er) res picture.</p>
<p>@Messier Tidy Upper,</p>
<p>If you look close, you can see eight &#8220;stars.&#8221; Three on the left and Five on the right. Perhaps it could be an imagining of the &#8216;Pale Blue Dot&#8217; family picture as seen from the Pluto/Charon binary?</p>
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		<title>By: Valdis Kletnieks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valdis Kletnieks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I see a really cool picture like this with a huge moon/planet in the sky, I wonder to myself if something is inside some other something&#039;s Roche limit and about to become a ring, which would make an even more awesome picture....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I see a really cool picture like this with a huge moon/planet in the sky, I wonder to myself if something is inside some other something&#8217;s Roche limit and about to become a ring, which would make an even more awesome picture&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: This x That - The Daily What</title>
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		<dc:creator>This x That - The Daily What</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 05:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Above: &#8220;Hideaway&#8220;&#160;by&#160;Inga Nielsen. (via.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Solius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oceans of liquid water... at the North Pole? At this time???


&lt;em&gt;EDIT&lt;/em&gt;: Surface liquids, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oceans of liquid water&#8230; at the North Pole? At this time???</p>
<p><em>EDIT</em>: Surface liquids, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the ratios correct for Charon from pluto?</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Metzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Metzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of photo-realistic imagery... check out the wallpapers at Digital Blasphemy:

digitalblasphemy.com

Shameless plug: Ryan Bliss is a very accomplished digital artist who has been crafting this stuff since the 90&#039;s, and his work only gets better as time goes by. I pay a small price annually to download his wallpapers, and this is not spam as I am a regular here. The man is a master of the digital medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of photo-realistic imagery&#8230; check out the wallpapers at Digital Blasphemy:</p>
<p>digitalblasphemy.com</p>
<p>Shameless plug: Ryan Bliss is a very accomplished digital artist who has been crafting this stuff since the 90&#8242;s, and his work only gets better as time goes by. I pay a small price annually to download his wallpapers, and this is not spam as I am a regular here. The man is a master of the digital medium.</p>
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		<title>By: ShawnN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShawnN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an image in a gallery of digital landscape art made using a 3d landscape program called Terragen, and some photoshop editing. the link to the rest of the gallery of Terragen images is at the top right. Anyone curious about making digital landscapes can google Terragen, (or: Vue from e-on software, Cararra or Bryce at Daz 3d.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an image in a gallery of digital landscape art made using a 3d landscape program called Terragen, and some photoshop editing. the link to the rest of the gallery of Terragen images is at the top right. Anyone curious about making digital landscapes can google Terragen, (or: Vue from e-on software, Cararra or Bryce at Daz 3d.)</p>
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		<title>By: ultraholland</title>
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		<dc:creator>ultraholland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also the sun&#039;s reflection is far more intense than the full-on image of the sun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also the sun&#8217;s reflection is far more intense than the full-on image of the sun</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First thing I thought was &quot;Where&#039;s the monolith?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First thing I thought was &#8220;Where&#8217;s the monolith?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: -jeffB</title>
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		<dc:creator>-jeffB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s another &quot;physically sound explanation&quot; for the crescent&#039;s prominence: the atmosphere is much less dense than ours, scattering less light, and thus making celestial objects appear relatively brighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another &#8220;physically sound explanation&#8221; for the crescent&#8217;s prominence: the atmosphere is much less dense than ours, scattering less light, and thus making celestial objects appear relatively brighter.</p>
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