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		<title>By: Robert T. Permar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315302</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert T. Permar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction of figures above:

Output in joules of a 4.5 Mt H-Bomb:17,080,470,000,000,000 (17 quadrillion, 80 trillion, 470 billion)

Armageddon figures (output in joules of 1oo H-bombs): 1,708,047,000,000,000,000                        (1 quintillion, 708 quadrillion, 47 trillion )

Famous James T. Kirk line: &quot;Is that a lot?&quot;</description>
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<p>Output in joules of a 4.5 Mt H-Bomb:17,080,470,000,000,000 (17 quadrillion, 80 trillion, 470 billion)</p>
<p>Armageddon figures (output in joules of 1oo H-bombs): 1,708,047,000,000,000,000                        (1 quintillion, 708 quadrillion, 47 trillion )</p>
<p>Famous James T. Kirk line: &#8220;Is that a lot?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert T. Permar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315301</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert T. Permar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

 I apologize for the abrasive and combative response (realizing a million years or so has passed since this discussion). My sarcasm was more based on the position that my solution was an obvious one, and didn’t require minute calculations to necessarily confirm. The issue with me was whether or not the human race had the  technology  to eliminate an in-coming asteroid as a threat, and in general terms, the explosive force of hydrogen bombs with conventional rocket and navigation technology is a feasible and practical solution.

It’s obvious, and it’s frightening that the scientific community didn’t shout  “Eureka”. It’s not an issue of vanity, but it’s obviously the solution, and either the scientific community went “dirty”, silent, or brain-dead from alien rays.  However, I’m acknowledging that I copped out on the issue of “math and models”,   but once again, didn’t see it as needed.  The formulaic  factors involved are daunting, and each situation is unique. Velocity of the asteroid, velocity of the missile or missiles, size and composition of the asteroid, mass of the missiles, temperature of the asteroid, most likely absolute zero.  (-469 degrees F).  My argument is that H-Bombs, in general terms, can destroy any known asteroid in the solar system with the means available to deliver them.

What’s obvious is that the scientific community and public in general really don’t “get” what a hydrogen bomb is, don’t want to, it’s frightening to the point of being terrible.  But if the idea is to save humanity, etc., etc.

Figures about one ( 1) 4.5 megaton Hydrogen Bomb

1. Generates 69,300,000 degrees Fahrenheit (69 million, 300 thousand degrees F) at center of explosion.

2. Energy explosive yield: 4,104,504,000,000 (4 trillion, 104 billion, 504 million)  joules.

 3. Equivalent to 9,000,000,000 pounds of TNT (9 billion).

That’s one H-bomb.  Just one.

The MK-82 Snake Eye 500 pound bomb (Mark 82) is a standard jet aircraft dropped “dumb” bomb.  It was used in Vietnam and Iraq.

(I’m acknowledging that this is a mental experiment, but believing that it’s more than overkill)

2,000 of these could guarantee, 100% guarantee (serious overkill), complete destruction of the Pentagon, a 34 acre 5 story poured concrete and steel reinforced building, “down to the foundation, down to the basement, nothing left but dust and rubble, you won’t even know that there were people inside let alone worry about survivors”  kind of destruction.   Is there a comment from the USAF? 2,000. Nothing left but rubble and dust down to the foundation.

One ICBM H-Bomb is equivalent to approximately 40 million MK-82’s, at least 20,000 times what would VERY likely  completely  “100% money-back guarantee” flatten the Pentagon.

Now, do we still want to argue about H-bombs not being able to take out asteroids that are half the composition of an average skyscraper? What one could do to Apophis that’s about 300 meters in diameter? 100?

The “Armageddon” asteroid doesn’t exist if the comment about being the size of Texas was serious. That’s suggesting a diameter of approximately 500 miles. There are moons not that large in the solar system. But regardless, the statement that 100 nukes wouldn’t “make a dent” was insane.

It’s understood that an ICBM isn’t designed to go into space, but can be easily modified to do so.
Empty weight of an ICBM runs from 30-50 tons (after fuel exhaustion).  It’s  velocity would be approximately 7 miles per second upon impact with the asteroid. The asteroid would probably have a velocity of 15 to 19 miles per second.  A hundred of these missiles, that much mass, a head-on collision, these velocities, won’t make a dent? The kinetic energy alone would most likely tear the asteroid apart. Explosions? Even without atmosphere, 100 hydrogen bombs, each generating a fireball 70 million degrees F.   An asteroid rock frozen to minus 470 degrees F, that won’t make a dent? The heat alone would most likely shatter it. An explosive force equivalent to 900 billion pounds of TNT, over 410 trillion joules,  and that won’t make a dent? All these factors combined? To put it simply “Armageddon” writers, the thing wouldn’t exist, let alone not have a dent put in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p> I apologize for the abrasive and combative response (realizing a million years or so has passed since this discussion). My sarcasm was more based on the position that my solution was an obvious one, and didn’t require minute calculations to necessarily confirm. The issue with me was whether or not the human race had the  technology  to eliminate an in-coming asteroid as a threat, and in general terms, the explosive force of hydrogen bombs with conventional rocket and navigation technology is a feasible and practical solution.</p>
<p>It’s obvious, and it’s frightening that the scientific community didn’t shout  “Eureka”. It’s not an issue of vanity, but it’s obviously the solution, and either the scientific community went “dirty”, silent, or brain-dead from alien rays.  However, I’m acknowledging that I copped out on the issue of “math and models”,   but once again, didn’t see it as needed.  The formulaic  factors involved are daunting, and each situation is unique. Velocity of the asteroid, velocity of the missile or missiles, size and composition of the asteroid, mass of the missiles, temperature of the asteroid, most likely absolute zero.  (-469 degrees F).  My argument is that H-Bombs, in general terms, can destroy any known asteroid in the solar system with the means available to deliver them.</p>
<p>What’s obvious is that the scientific community and public in general really don’t “get” what a hydrogen bomb is, don’t want to, it’s frightening to the point of being terrible.  But if the idea is to save humanity, etc., etc.</p>
<p>Figures about one ( 1) 4.5 megaton Hydrogen Bomb</p>
<p>1. Generates 69,300,000 degrees Fahrenheit (69 million, 300 thousand degrees F) at center of explosion.</p>
<p>2. Energy explosive yield: 4,104,504,000,000 (4 trillion, 104 billion, 504 million)  joules.</p>
<p> 3. Equivalent to 9,000,000,000 pounds of TNT (9 billion).</p>
<p>That’s one H-bomb.  Just one.</p>
<p>The MK-82 Snake Eye 500 pound bomb (Mark 82) is a standard jet aircraft dropped “dumb” bomb.  It was used in Vietnam and Iraq.</p>
<p>(I’m acknowledging that this is a mental experiment, but believing that it’s more than overkill)</p>
<p>2,000 of these could guarantee, 100% guarantee (serious overkill), complete destruction of the Pentagon, a 34 acre 5 story poured concrete and steel reinforced building, “down to the foundation, down to the basement, nothing left but dust and rubble, you won’t even know that there were people inside let alone worry about survivors”  kind of destruction.   Is there a comment from the USAF? 2,000. Nothing left but rubble and dust down to the foundation.</p>
<p>One ICBM H-Bomb is equivalent to approximately 40 million MK-82’s, at least 20,000 times what would VERY likely  completely  “100% money-back guarantee” flatten the Pentagon.</p>
<p>Now, do we still want to argue about H-bombs not being able to take out asteroids that are half the composition of an average skyscraper? What one could do to Apophis that’s about 300 meters in diameter? 100?</p>
<p>The “Armageddon” asteroid doesn’t exist if the comment about being the size of Texas was serious. That’s suggesting a diameter of approximately 500 miles. There are moons not that large in the solar system. But regardless, the statement that 100 nukes wouldn’t “make a dent” was insane.</p>
<p>It’s understood that an ICBM isn’t designed to go into space, but can be easily modified to do so.<br />
Empty weight of an ICBM runs from 30-50 tons (after fuel exhaustion).  It’s  velocity would be approximately 7 miles per second upon impact with the asteroid. The asteroid would probably have a velocity of 15 to 19 miles per second.  A hundred of these missiles, that much mass, a head-on collision, these velocities, won’t make a dent? The kinetic energy alone would most likely tear the asteroid apart. Explosions? Even without atmosphere, 100 hydrogen bombs, each generating a fireball 70 million degrees F.   An asteroid rock frozen to minus 470 degrees F, that won’t make a dent? The heat alone would most likely shatter it. An explosive force equivalent to 900 billion pounds of TNT, over 410 trillion joules,  and that won’t make a dent? All these factors combined? To put it simply “Armageddon” writers, the thing wouldn’t exist, let alone not have a dent put in it.</p>
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		<title>By: carbonUnit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315300</link>
		<dc:creator>carbonUnit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, the Science Channel is running TED presentations.   Your talk just played.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, the Science Channel is running TED presentations.   Your talk just played.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Apophis &#124; We Will Be Here</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315299</link>
		<dc:creator>Apophis &#124; We Will Be Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the Southwest Research Institute Dr. Clark Chapman to 1 in a million by “Bad Astronomer” Phil Plait. Most sources, including information from NASA, have settled on a 1 in 250,000 chance. If it is [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at the Southwest Research Institute Dr. Clark Chapman to 1 in a million by “Bad Astronomer” Phil Plait. Most sources, including information from NASA, have settled on a 1 in 250,000 chance. If it is [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315298</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very &quot;White Stripes&quot; color scheme there, Phil.

@ 17 StJobe:
&lt;i&gt;&#039;A typo there in your latin; it should be “per ardua ad astra”, not “asta”.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I&#039;m sure Nick and Nora&#039;s dog would enjoy the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very &#8220;White Stripes&#8221; color scheme there, Phil.</p>
<p>@ 17 StJobe:<br />
<i>&#8216;A typo there in your latin; it should be “per ardua ad astra”, not “asta”.&#8217;</i></p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m sure Nick and Nora&#8217;s dog would enjoy the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert T. Permar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315297</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert T. Permar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but I don&#039;t have math and models to back up a claim that 50 sticks of dynamite placed inside a 5&#039; x 10&#039; x 8&#039; wooden shed and detonated would explode it into shards and splinters and completely destroy it either. If &quot;math and models&quot; are what&#039;s holding up the show, um, I&#039;m really hoping that there&#039;s a cool computer simulation program that does this sort of thing. (Okay, guys, there&#039;s a skeptical crowd out there. We gotta make ABSOLUTE sure that 500 4.5 megaton H-bombs is enough to take out a rock in space a little less than 3 football fields across). Yes, I realize that sarcasm doesn&#039;t prove the point, but your question more suggests arguing, hubris, or frankly, ignorance, and is ludicrous and inane. As far as presenting this as a solution to the scientific community, only lack of ethics or arrogance would expect me to present this as theoretical.  The technology of blowing up a huge rock floating in space generally exists, and the scientific community could &quot;run with this&quot; and work out the details if we&#039;re genuinely concerned about New York being turned into a crater.  Your question more suggests that logistics would defeat this (not enough bombs to go around, etc), not whether the idea has merit scientifically.

Robert T. Permar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but I don&#8217;t have math and models to back up a claim that 50 sticks of dynamite placed inside a 5&#8242; x 10&#8242; x 8&#8242; wooden shed and detonated would explode it into shards and splinters and completely destroy it either. If &#8220;math and models&#8221; are what&#8217;s holding up the show, um, I&#8217;m really hoping that there&#8217;s a cool computer simulation program that does this sort of thing. (Okay, guys, there&#8217;s a skeptical crowd out there. We gotta make ABSOLUTE sure that 500 4.5 megaton H-bombs is enough to take out a rock in space a little less than 3 football fields across). Yes, I realize that sarcasm doesn&#8217;t prove the point, but your question more suggests arguing, hubris, or frankly, ignorance, and is ludicrous and inane. As far as presenting this as a solution to the scientific community, only lack of ethics or arrogance would expect me to present this as theoretical.  The technology of blowing up a huge rock floating in space generally exists, and the scientific community could &#8220;run with this&#8221; and work out the details if we&#8217;re genuinely concerned about New York being turned into a crater.  Your question more suggests that logistics would defeat this (not enough bombs to go around, etc), not whether the idea has merit scientifically.</p>
<p>Robert T. Permar</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Kobos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Kobos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 04:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert do you have math and models to back up your statements?</description>
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		<title>By: Robert T. Permar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315295</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert T. Permar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 20:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Randy: (sigh) That&#039;s naysaying, not debunking, Randy. Apophis appears to be our most immediate threat. It weighs 30 million tons and is about 300 meters in diameter. For Pity Everlovin&#039; Heaven&#039;s Sakes, if 500 ICBMS hit it simultaneously with their standard 4.5 megaton yield, the blessed thing&#039;ll be reduced to practically radioactive talcum powder if that much with years, possibly centuries added to arrival time (2 1/4 gigatons are going to seriously slow this thing down, if nothing else). Even if it were just broken up into smaller pieces, they most likely would not pose an appreciable threat to Earth as decades if not centuries would probably be added to the arrival time and they would burn up in the atmosphere when they did arrive or cause negligible destruction if they did impact the Earth&#039;s surface. In general terms, the idea is to throw enough &quot;nukes&quot; at it that there aren&#039;t &quot;chunks&quot; of the thing left large enough to pose an appreciable threat (I&#039;m guessing that early 21st Century science can make those calculations if  preciseness is an issue).  Cut the nonsense on this. This is the solution, and that&#039;s the way it is.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Randy: (sigh) That&#8217;s naysaying, not debunking, Randy. Apophis appears to be our most immediate threat. It weighs 30 million tons and is about 300 meters in diameter. For Pity Everlovin&#8217; Heaven&#8217;s Sakes, if 500 ICBMS hit it simultaneously with their standard 4.5 megaton yield, the blessed thing&#8217;ll be reduced to practically radioactive talcum powder if that much with years, possibly centuries added to arrival time (2 1/4 gigatons are going to seriously slow this thing down, if nothing else). Even if it were just broken up into smaller pieces, they most likely would not pose an appreciable threat to Earth as decades if not centuries would probably be added to the arrival time and they would burn up in the atmosphere when they did arrive or cause negligible destruction if they did impact the Earth&#8217;s surface. In general terms, the idea is to throw enough &#8220;nukes&#8221; at it that there aren&#8217;t &#8220;chunks&#8221; of the thing left large enough to pose an appreciable threat (I&#8217;m guessing that early 21st Century science can make those calculations if  preciseness is an issue).  Cut the nonsense on this. This is the solution, and that&#8217;s the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Left_Wing_Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left_Wing_Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those skeptical about life under the ice, I&#039;d like to remind them of an article in the very magazine that hosts this blog:

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/feb/did-life-evolve-in-ice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those skeptical about life under the ice, I&#8217;d like to remind them of an article in the very magazine that hosts this blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2008/feb/did-life-evolve-in-ice" rel="nofollow">http://discovermagazine.com/2008/feb/did-life-evolve-in-ice</a></p>
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		<title>By: Randy A.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/my-asteroid-impact-talk-is-now-on-ted/#comment-315293</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with nuking an asteroid is that you might just break it up without changing its trajectory sufficiently...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with nuking an asteroid is that you might just break it up without changing its trajectory sufficiently&#8230;</p>
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