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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-482547</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, happy Good-Awareness Day? Happy Not-Taking-Things-for-Granted Day?

I like to say that the quality of life is measured by the things we can take for granted. But it brings a healthy peerspective to stop once a year and &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; take them for grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, happy Good-Awareness Day? Happy Not-Taking-Things-for-Granted Day?</p>
<p>I like to say that the quality of life is measured by the things we can take for granted. But it brings a healthy peerspective to stop once a year and <b>not</b> take them for grant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Benneth:

Dangerous nonsense and completely off topic. I wonder that the moderators let this stand!</description>
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<p>Dangerous nonsense and completely off topic. I wonder that the moderators let this stand!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Benneth: I think I can guess why Randi ceased correspondence with you: you continually make claims that are provably and unambiguously false, and you refuse to modify those claims in response to valid criticism.

For example, you are still claiming that the leptospirosis project is evidence for homeopathy, when this has been comprehensively critiqued elsewhere. You don&#039;t appear to understand the meaning of terms like double blinded or randomised controlled trial. And nobody in the world uses homeopathy to &quot;treat cancer successfully&quot;. The idea that medicine would pass up a genuinely effective treatment for cancer is simply risible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John Benneth: I think I can guess why Randi ceased correspondence with you: you continually make claims that are provably and unambiguously false, and you refuse to modify those claims in response to valid criticism.</p>
<p>For example, you are still claiming that the leptospirosis project is evidence for homeopathy, when this has been comprehensively critiqued elsewhere. You don&#8217;t appear to understand the meaning of terms like double blinded or randomised controlled trial. And nobody in the world uses homeopathy to &#8220;treat cancer successfully&#8221;. The idea that medicine would pass up a genuinely effective treatment for cancer is simply risible.</p>
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		<title>By: John Benneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Benneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Phil Plaitt,

Twelve years ago I applied for the James Randi Educational Foundation award to prove homeopathy.  James Randi accepted my application, corresponded with me over a protocol, and then months later dismissed me as being inconsequential, claiming he was going to put Nobel laureate physicist Professor Brian Josephson and immunologist Jacques Benveniste to the test instead.

Canadian Syd Baumel of the Aquarian wrote to Prof . Josephson to inform him that my application to JREF preceded theirs.  Prof. Josephson replied to say he never applied for Randi&#039; Challenge, was not interested in the Challenge, and Randi was sent back to me.

The basic protocol which Randi said would win the Challenge was a simple one. It would be to provide a method by which to identify placebo from verum in a double blind trial, of which there are several.

Randi finally ended correspondence with me. I&#039;ll leave it to him to say why. 

Since that time I have lectured at the Cavendish Laboratory at the invitation of Prof. Josephson on the supramolecular chemistry or the homeopathic remedy; Josephson says, &quot;The idea that water can have a memory can be readily refuted by any one of a number of easily understood, invalid arguments.&quot; 

He describes how many scientists today suffer from &quot;pathological disbelief;&quot; that is, they maintain an unscientific attitude that is embodied by the statement &quot;even if it were true I wouldn&#039;t believe it.&quot;

Does JREF suffer from pathological disbelief? If not, then prove it with my simple test for homeopathy, accepted by James Randi.

Leading a team of material scientists, the renowned Professor Emeritus Rustum Roy wrote a review of the literature on water structure and postulated it&#039;s relevance to homeopathy, showing that the substances used in homeopathy have physical indices that identify them from their vehicles (as I proposed); Roy says that the literature &quot;does definitively demolish the objection against homeopathy, when such is based on the wholly incorrect claim that since there is no difference in composition between a remedy and the pure water used, there can be no differences at all between them.&quot;  

Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier produced a series of experiments showing that high dilutes as used in homeopathy radiate an EM signal and have filterable crystalline-like nano structures, h-bond structures associated with their signal. 

When Montgnier was asked if he is concerned that with hiss research into the natures of high dilutes as ue in homeopathy he was drifting into pseudoscience, he replied adamantly: &quot;No, because it&#039;s not pseudoscience. It&#039;s not quackery. These are real phenomena which deserve further study.&quot; 
 
In 2010 top water chemist Professor Emeritus Martin Chaplin of London South Bank University has said that water does indeed store and transmit information concerning solutes through its hydrogen bonded network.

There has been an explosion in the research of homeopathy.  In 2007, Teela Johnson and Heather Boon wrote a review for pharmacists of the research in homeopathy in an article for the American Journal of Pharmaceutical Education entitled  Where Does Homeopathy Fit in Pharmacy Practice? Am J Pharm Educ. 2007 February 15; 71(1): 07. 

They say, “Several meta-analyses have also concluded that homeopathic treatment is significantly better than placebo. The first was carried out in 1991 by Kleijnen et al. They identified 107 published papers that scientifically evaluated the efficacy of homeopathically prepared treatments. Of these studies, 81 reported positive effects for homeopathy, with 9 of the 11 highest quality trials showing positive results. 
A second, extremely rigorous, meta-analysis was conducted in 1997 by Linde et al in an attempt to ascertain whether or not the clinical effects of homeopathy are due to placebo effects. They evaluated 186 clinical trials that tested the efficacy of homeopathically prepared treatments. Of these, 89 reported sufficient data to be included in the main meta-analysis. After controlling for publication bias, and quality of evidence, their results showed that homeopathy performed significantly better (combined odds ratio was 2.45 in favour of homeopathy) than placebo, with a confidence interval of 95%. Additional scrutiny, including methodological revisions by the authors themselves in a subsequent paper, confirmed these findings.”

The Cuban government has used homeopathy to stop its annual leptospirosis epidemic; the nation’s number one rated medical facility , the MD Anderson Cancer Clinic, has use homeopathy to treat cancer successfully in vitro and in vivo; the American Medical College of Homeopathy has opened this year in Phoenix, Arizona; the legislature there is now licensing homeopaths under the Doctor of homeopathy (DH) designation, medical doctors trained in the use of homeopathics as MD(H).

In light of this information, and the fact that my original protocol to JREF has not changed, I submit to you that my claim on the JREF award is now more valid than ever, and the challenge to you is to make good on it, and to put the original protocol, as submitted to JREF in January 0f 1999 to the test, using independent scientifically qualified judges who have the credentials for approving the final protocol for such a test and disposition of the award.

signed,
John Benneth, Homeopath
503 819 7777</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Phil Plaitt,</p>
<p>Twelve years ago I applied for the James Randi Educational Foundation award to prove homeopathy.  James Randi accepted my application, corresponded with me over a protocol, and then months later dismissed me as being inconsequential, claiming he was going to put Nobel laureate physicist Professor Brian Josephson and immunologist Jacques Benveniste to the test instead.</p>
<p>Canadian Syd Baumel of the Aquarian wrote to Prof . Josephson to inform him that my application to JREF preceded theirs.  Prof. Josephson replied to say he never applied for Randi&#8217; Challenge, was not interested in the Challenge, and Randi was sent back to me.</p>
<p>The basic protocol which Randi said would win the Challenge was a simple one. It would be to provide a method by which to identify placebo from verum in a double blind trial, of which there are several.</p>
<p>Randi finally ended correspondence with me. I&#8217;ll leave it to him to say why. </p>
<p>Since that time I have lectured at the Cavendish Laboratory at the invitation of Prof. Josephson on the supramolecular chemistry or the homeopathic remedy; Josephson says, &#8220;The idea that water can have a memory can be readily refuted by any one of a number of easily understood, invalid arguments.&#8221; </p>
<p>He describes how many scientists today suffer from &#8220;pathological disbelief;&#8221; that is, they maintain an unscientific attitude that is embodied by the statement &#8220;even if it were true I wouldn&#8217;t believe it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does JREF suffer from pathological disbelief? If not, then prove it with my simple test for homeopathy, accepted by James Randi.</p>
<p>Leading a team of material scientists, the renowned Professor Emeritus Rustum Roy wrote a review of the literature on water structure and postulated it&#8217;s relevance to homeopathy, showing that the substances used in homeopathy have physical indices that identify them from their vehicles (as I proposed); Roy says that the literature &#8220;does definitively demolish the objection against homeopathy, when such is based on the wholly incorrect claim that since there is no difference in composition between a remedy and the pure water used, there can be no differences at all between them.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier produced a series of experiments showing that high dilutes as used in homeopathy radiate an EM signal and have filterable crystalline-like nano structures, h-bond structures associated with their signal. </p>
<p>When Montgnier was asked if he is concerned that with hiss research into the natures of high dilutes as ue in homeopathy he was drifting into pseudoscience, he replied adamantly: &#8220;No, because it&#8217;s not pseudoscience. It&#8217;s not quackery. These are real phenomena which deserve further study.&#8221; </p>
<p>In 2010 top water chemist Professor Emeritus Martin Chaplin of London South Bank University has said that water does indeed store and transmit information concerning solutes through its hydrogen bonded network.</p>
<p>There has been an explosion in the research of homeopathy.  In 2007, Teela Johnson and Heather Boon wrote a review for pharmacists of the research in homeopathy in an article for the American Journal of Pharmaceutical Education entitled  Where Does Homeopathy Fit in Pharmacy Practice? Am J Pharm Educ. 2007 February 15; 71(1): 07. </p>
<p>They say, “Several meta-analyses have also concluded that homeopathic treatment is significantly better than placebo. The first was carried out in 1991 by Kleijnen et al. They identified 107 published papers that scientifically evaluated the efficacy of homeopathically prepared treatments. Of these studies, 81 reported positive effects for homeopathy, with 9 of the 11 highest quality trials showing positive results.<br />
A second, extremely rigorous, meta-analysis was conducted in 1997 by Linde et al in an attempt to ascertain whether or not the clinical effects of homeopathy are due to placebo effects. They evaluated 186 clinical trials that tested the efficacy of homeopathically prepared treatments. Of these, 89 reported sufficient data to be included in the main meta-analysis. After controlling for publication bias, and quality of evidence, their results showed that homeopathy performed significantly better (combined odds ratio was 2.45 in favour of homeopathy) than placebo, with a confidence interval of 95%. Additional scrutiny, including methodological revisions by the authors themselves in a subsequent paper, confirmed these findings.”</p>
<p>The Cuban government has used homeopathy to stop its annual leptospirosis epidemic; the nation’s number one rated medical facility , the MD Anderson Cancer Clinic, has use homeopathy to treat cancer successfully in vitro and in vivo; the American Medical College of Homeopathy has opened this year in Phoenix, Arizona; the legislature there is now licensing homeopaths under the Doctor of homeopathy (DH) designation, medical doctors trained in the use of homeopathics as MD(H).</p>
<p>In light of this information, and the fact that my original protocol to JREF has not changed, I submit to you that my claim on the JREF award is now more valid than ever, and the challenge to you is to make good on it, and to put the original protocol, as submitted to JREF in January 0f 1999 to the test, using independent scientifically qualified judges who have the credentials for approving the final protocol for such a test and disposition of the award.</p>
<p>signed,<br />
John Benneth, Homeopath<br />
503 819 7777</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ellis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-445747</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I honestly think this is just a matter of being caught in semantics.&lt;/I&gt;
Quite.  Specifically, the issue is a grammatical one: whether &quot;to thank&quot; is a transitive verb or an ambitransitive verb.  I contend it&#039;s the latter, whereas other people are contending that it cannot be used intransitively - that &quot;to be thankful&quot; without a direct object is wrong, and that &quot;to be grateful&quot; is the appropriate substitute.  I think the weight of common usage is on my side. Millions if not billions of people worldwide commonly express thankfulness without needing anything to be thankful &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt;.  I sympathise with the prescriptivist argument, but think it&#039;s a case of erroneously expecting perfect logic from language, which is a category error.

Interestingly, there&#039;s a similar descriptivist/prescriptivist argument currently going on over at Sandwalk, except there it concerns the definitions of &quot;agnostic&quot; and &quot;atheist&quot;. In that case the positions are reversed, with the rational/skeptic side of the debate arguing for a descriptivist use of the terms, while the prescriptivists are arguing for a narrow definition of &quot;atheism&quot; that excludes the vast majority of non-theists.  So it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I honestly think this is just a matter of being caught in semantics.</i><br />
Quite.  Specifically, the issue is a grammatical one: whether &#8220;to thank&#8221; is a transitive verb or an ambitransitive verb.  I contend it&#8217;s the latter, whereas other people are contending that it cannot be used intransitively &#8211; that &#8220;to be thankful&#8221; without a direct object is wrong, and that &#8220;to be grateful&#8221; is the appropriate substitute.  I think the weight of common usage is on my side. Millions if not billions of people worldwide commonly express thankfulness without needing anything to be thankful <i>to</i>.  I sympathise with the prescriptivist argument, but think it&#8217;s a case of erroneously expecting perfect logic from language, which is a category error.</p>
<p>Interestingly, there&#8217;s a similar descriptivist/prescriptivist argument currently going on over at Sandwalk, except there it concerns the definitions of &#8220;agnostic&#8221; and &#8220;atheist&#8221;. In that case the positions are reversed, with the rational/skeptic side of the debate arguing for a descriptivist use of the terms, while the prescriptivists are arguing for a narrow definition of &#8220;atheism&#8221; that excludes the vast majority of non-theists.  So it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly think this is just a matter of being caught in semantics. The issue at hand shouldn&#039;t be about &#039;giving&#039; or &#039;receiving&#039; thanks, but simply acknowledging  that there are things in life to appreciate. So many people walk through their days with a veil over their eyes and their minds, oblivious to what they have in life, or what life has for them. No, it is not a result of &quot;luck&quot; or &quot;fate&quot;, but these are words we assign to such feelings of gratitude that we feel within ourselves. As much as I am a believer and lover and supporter of math and science, it sometimes feels to me that when I sit and calculate the statistical probability that I had met someone I cherish, or realizing that an experience I lived through was a result of a series of choices that I consciously made, it might serve to sully the resulting emotion. Why can we not sometimes just take things at face value? &quot;This person makes me happy, and I am grateful they are a part of my life.&quot; What does it prove to anyone to dissect it? To be thankful that the big bang resulted in the hydrogen atom, the laws of physics and the universe as we know it, doesn&#039;t mean that you are appealing your thanks to anyone. All it means is that when I go outside and see the stars in the sky, I am happy. One can understand and appreciate without needing someone/something on the other side of the telephone line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly think this is just a matter of being caught in semantics. The issue at hand shouldn&#8217;t be about &#8216;giving&#8217; or &#8216;receiving&#8217; thanks, but simply acknowledging  that there are things in life to appreciate. So many people walk through their days with a veil over their eyes and their minds, oblivious to what they have in life, or what life has for them. No, it is not a result of &#8220;luck&#8221; or &#8220;fate&#8221;, but these are words we assign to such feelings of gratitude that we feel within ourselves. As much as I am a believer and lover and supporter of math and science, it sometimes feels to me that when I sit and calculate the statistical probability that I had met someone I cherish, or realizing that an experience I lived through was a result of a series of choices that I consciously made, it might serve to sully the resulting emotion. Why can we not sometimes just take things at face value? &#8220;This person makes me happy, and I am grateful they are a part of my life.&#8221; What does it prove to anyone to dissect it? To be thankful that the big bang resulted in the hydrogen atom, the laws of physics and the universe as we know it, doesn&#8217;t mean that you are appealing your thanks to anyone. All it means is that when I go outside and see the stars in the sky, I am happy. One can understand and appreciate without needing someone/something on the other side of the telephone line.</p>
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		<title>By: Thameron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-445592</link>
		<dc:creator>Thameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The world is what we make of it.&quot;  Truly spoken like one of the fortunate Dr.  You dismiss 4.5 billion years of history and manage to blame the victim in one small phrase.  Very concise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The world is what we make of it.&#8221;  Truly spoken like one of the fortunate Dr.  You dismiss 4.5 billion years of history and manage to blame the victim in one small phrase.  Very concise.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory -</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory -</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 03:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is a great deal of human nature in people.&quot; - Mark Twain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a great deal of human nature in people.&#8221; &#8211; Mark Twain</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16, being sorry and apologising are very different things. Apologising is asking someone to absolve you of something you feel guilty about. Sorrow does not require guilt, let alone a desire to be absolved of that guilt.

You can be generally &quot;glad&quot; to be alive (which is kind of meaningless, because you don&#039;t have any data about the alternative, but nevermind that now), but to be &quot;thankful&quot; you need to be thankful to  (not just for) someone or some thing. Gratitude requires a recipient; you can&#039;t be &quot;generally thankful&quot;, which is the whole point of Pratchett&#039;s joke (which seems to have wooshed over some people&#039;s heads here). People who &quot;give thanks in general&quot; are either being hypocritical or thanking their imaginary bearded friend in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16, being sorry and apologising are very different things. Apologising is asking someone to absolve you of something you feel guilty about. Sorrow does not require guilt, let alone a desire to be absolved of that guilt.</p>
<p>You can be generally &#8220;glad&#8221; to be alive (which is kind of meaningless, because you don&#8217;t have any data about the alternative, but nevermind that now), but to be &#8220;thankful&#8221; you need to be thankful to  (not just for) someone or some thing. Gratitude requires a recipient; you can&#8217;t be &#8220;generally thankful&#8221;, which is the whole point of Pratchett&#8217;s joke (which seems to have wooshed over some people&#8217;s heads here). People who &#8220;give thanks in general&#8221; are either being hypocritical or thanking their imaginary bearded friend in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To give thanks, there has to be something to receive it.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree.  Thanks do not require a direct recipient any more than sorrow does.  Compare the following:

Person A: &quot;I&#039;m thankful to be alive&quot;
Person B: &quot;Who are you thanking?&quot;

Person A:  &quot;I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re unwell&quot;
Person B:  &quot;Why are you apologising to me?&quot;

Person B is wrong in both cases, for much the same reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To give thanks, there has to be something to receive it.</i></p>
<p>I disagree.  Thanks do not require a direct recipient any more than sorrow does.  Compare the following:</p>
<p>Person A: &#8220;I&#8217;m thankful to be alive&#8221;<br />
Person B: &#8220;Who are you thanking?&#8221;</p>
<p>Person A:  &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re unwell&#8221;<br />
Person B:  &#8220;Why are you apologising to me?&#8221;</p>
<p>Person B is wrong in both cases, for much the same reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 Wzrd1:
Where did Phil say or infer that there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; such a thing as Fate??? He mentioned it only as a concept in which some people believe, but he doesn&#039;t - the same way in which he referred to God.
&quot;For some it’s God, which is their personal choice. For others it may just be fate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 Wzrd1:<br />
Where did Phil say or infer that there <i>is</i> such a thing as Fate??? He mentioned it only as a concept in which some people believe, but he doesn&#8217;t &#8211; the same way in which he referred to God.<br />
&#8220;For some it’s God, which is their personal choice. For others it may just be fate.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jupiterisbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>jupiterisbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though we know now that our spiritual need is an evolutionary product, we humans can&#039;t separate ourselves from it. 
I&#039;m thankful that exploding stars made carbon, oxygen water and a whole lot of other stuff, and that frozen water floats on liquid water and that I live in a well organised and reasonably fair society, and have good friends, a great wife, beautiful children ... and beer!
Thankful Thanksgiving to all of you in the USA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though we know now that our spiritual need is an evolutionary product, we humans can&#8217;t separate ourselves from it.<br />
I&#8217;m thankful that exploding stars made carbon, oxygen water and a whole lot of other stuff, and that frozen water floats on liquid water and that I live in a well organised and reasonably fair society, and have good friends, a great wife, beautiful children &#8230; and beer!<br />
Thankful Thanksgiving to all of you in the USA!</p>
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		<title>By: QuietDesperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuietDesperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be like a boss. Eat the pumpkin AND the chocolate pies.

@#6 WeatherWAX! (inscrutable witchy glare)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be like a boss. Eat the pumpkin AND the chocolate pies.</p>
<p>@#6 WeatherWAX! (inscrutable witchy glare)</p>
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		<title>By: Braelay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-445003</link>
		<dc:creator>Braelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Phil, your blog has made me even more interested in astronomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Phil, your blog has made me even more interested in astronomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stisidore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444990</link>
		<dc:creator>Stisidore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we don&#039;t get to see the last partial solar eclipse!</description>
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		<title>By: VinceRN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444974</link>
		<dc:creator>VinceRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once looked it up, our word &quot;thanks&quot; traces back to &quot;to think&quot; and &quot;feel&quot;.  So on this day that&#039;s what what we do in my family.  We think about the good things we have in this life, and talk about them.  There are those in my extended family that believe those things come from God or Goddess or gods, and that&#039;s OK with me.  Thankful to God, or to the dice, it doesn&#039;t really matter.  Today is a day to get together with family, and to be thankful for the good things in your life.

Grateful I think traces back to a word that meant &quot;raised voice&quot;, same as grace.

Can we not think about, and raise our voices about, the good things in life, without having to believe these things were given to us?  Do we really need to put more thought into attacking the beliefs of others than in thinking and talking about the good things in our own lives?

Me, I&#039;m grateful for my wife, my daughters, my ability to make a living, my friends, our liberty, those that inspire me, and those strangers that do the things that make our lives safer and easier than people have have experienced at any other time in history. 

And for this blog, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once looked it up, our word &#8220;thanks&#8221; traces back to &#8220;to think&#8221; and &#8220;feel&#8221;.  So on this day that&#8217;s what what we do in my family.  We think about the good things we have in this life, and talk about them.  There are those in my extended family that believe those things come from God or Goddess or gods, and that&#8217;s OK with me.  Thankful to God, or to the dice, it doesn&#8217;t really matter.  Today is a day to get together with family, and to be thankful for the good things in your life.</p>
<p>Grateful I think traces back to a word that meant &#8220;raised voice&#8221;, same as grace.</p>
<p>Can we not think about, and raise our voices about, the good things in life, without having to believe these things were given to us?  Do we really need to put more thought into attacking the beliefs of others than in thinking and talking about the good things in our own lives?</p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m grateful for my wife, my daughters, my ability to make a living, my friends, our liberty, those that inspire me, and those strangers that do the things that make our lives safer and easier than people have have experienced at any other time in history. </p>
<p>And for this blog, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Wzrd1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444970</link>
		<dc:creator>Wzrd1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, regardless of the character&#039;s name, it IS an excellent quote and one I fully agree with.
I tend somewhat to agree with Phil in this post, save for a few things.
I can feel thankful for random chance, dumb luck and general good fortune. 
I can be thankful to my concept of a God, for a few vary rare and impossibly improbable events that caused me to survive some events in my life that normally would be 100% lethal. Even IF that &quot;act of God&quot; was random chance, dumb luck, etc.  ;)
I however GREATLY disagree with Phil on one thing: fate. There is no such thing as fate, other than what we and the random factors of the universe provide, there is no predetermination of life and events. For an avowed atheist to speak of fate is black heresy!  ;)
Regardless of all above, I have a great deal in life to be thankful for. Therefore, I&#039;ll thank my wife, who made most of those things, people and events possible.  :D
Again.
For, I never need a holiday to act and feel thankful.
Happy Thanksgiving all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, regardless of the character&#8217;s name, it IS an excellent quote and one I fully agree with.<br />
I tend somewhat to agree with Phil in this post, save for a few things.<br />
I can feel thankful for random chance, dumb luck and general good fortune.<br />
I can be thankful to my concept of a God, for a few vary rare and impossibly improbable events that caused me to survive some events in my life that normally would be 100% lethal. Even IF that &#8220;act of God&#8221; was random chance, dumb luck, etc.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I however GREATLY disagree with Phil on one thing: fate. There is no such thing as fate, other than what we and the random factors of the universe provide, there is no predetermination of life and events. For an avowed atheist to speak of fate is black heresy!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Regardless of all above, I have a great deal in life to be thankful for. Therefore, I&#8217;ll thank my wife, who made most of those things, people and events possible.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Again.<br />
For, I never need a holiday to act and feel thankful.<br />
Happy Thanksgiving all!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444950</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know which book that&#039;s from, but it sounds like something Nanny Ogg would say. Although Granny Weatherwax is Good and Right, she&#039;s not Nice, to paraphrase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know which book that&#8217;s from, but it sounds like something Nanny Ogg would say. Although Granny Weatherwax is Good and Right, she&#8217;s not Nice, to paraphrase.</p>
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		<title>By: Catalyst</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444940</link>
		<dc:creator>Catalyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your days are numbered. Make them count.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Riley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444921</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember Granny Weatheraxe (from the Terry Pratchett books in the unlikely case someone doesn&#039;t already know) saying when asked who she was thankful *to*, &quot;Oh no-one, I&#039;m just generally thankful,&quot; which is my take on the whole thing.  (It might ave been Nanny Ogg - but I pretty sure it was one of those two - does someone else know for sure?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember Granny Weatheraxe (from the Terry Pratchett books in the unlikely case someone doesn&#8217;t already know) saying when asked who she was thankful *to*, &#8220;Oh no-one, I&#8217;m just generally thankful,&#8221; which is my take on the whole thing.  (It might ave been Nanny Ogg &#8211; but I pretty sure it was one of those two &#8211; does someone else know for sure?)</p>
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		<title>By: LexCarter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444911</link>
		<dc:creator>LexCarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.Phil for trying to knock some sense into people.</description>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444906</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I could be thankful for not only people that are living, but also deceased, in which case I&#039;d be thankful for people like my grandfather and Carl Sagan.

Also thankful for people like you Phil, as well as James Randi, Rebecca Watson, Neil Tyson, and all the others in the rational and skeptical community that provide a voice of sanity in an insane world.

Obviously, there&#039;s also my family, whom I hope (though doubt) will learn to become more skeptical in their world views and thinking processes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I could be thankful for not only people that are living, but also deceased, in which case I&#8217;d be thankful for people like my grandfather and Carl Sagan.</p>
<p>Also thankful for people like you Phil, as well as James Randi, Rebecca Watson, Neil Tyson, and all the others in the rational and skeptical community that provide a voice of sanity in an insane world.</p>
<p>Obviously, there&#8217;s also my family, whom I hope (though doubt) will learn to become more skeptical in their world views and thinking processes.</p>
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		<title>By: GEo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444901</link>
		<dc:creator>GEo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not that.  He&#039;s just a one-in-a-1,166,666 guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not that.  He&#8217;s just a one-in-a-1,166,666 guy.</p>
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		<title>By: MHS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444899</link>
		<dc:creator>MHS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to update one thing: if you are a one-in-a-million guy, there are now 6999 more of you :)

(Of course, this is assuming that &#039;guys&#039; also includes girls!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to update one thing: if you are a one-in-a-million guy, there are now 6999 more of you <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Of course, this is assuming that &#8216;guys&#8217; also includes girls!)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. Andrews</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/24/giving-thanks-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-444891</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Events happen, but it’s up to us to do with them what we can. Be glad for that, be thankful.
The world is what we make of it. Make it a good one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen (in the colloquial sense of strong agreement). Happy Thanksgiving to our American brothers and sisters, from your neighbours of the north. 
-dan, mariana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Events happen, but it’s up to us to do with them what we can. Be glad for that, be thankful.<br />
The world is what we make of it. Make it a good one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen (in the colloquial sense of strong agreement). Happy Thanksgiving to our American brothers and sisters, from your neighbours of the north.<br />
-dan, mariana</p>
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