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	<title>Comments on: Micro neutron star versus nano comet versus mega red giant</title>
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		<title>By: Abigail Michell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail Michell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully one day we can go there and look at the aftermath ourselves, with our own eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully one day we can go there and look at the aftermath ourselves, with our own eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 06:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>39.   Jim Rix Says:
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 am:

&quot;Great book to read: Neutron Star by Dr. Forward.&quot;

Wonderful book, but it was called &lt;i&gt;Dragon&#039;s Egg&lt;/i&gt; . I also
recommend &lt;i&gt;RocheWorld&lt;/i&gt; . Both are excellent books about the
physics of unusual worlds, disguised as novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39.   Jim Rix Says:<br />
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 am:</p>
<p>&#8220;Great book to read: Neutron Star by Dr. Forward.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wonderful book, but it was called <i>Dragon&#8217;s Egg</i> . I also<br />
recommend <i>RocheWorld</i> . Both are excellent books about the<br />
physics of unusual worlds, disguised as novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 04:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Like I said, both ideas are pretty cool.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure are! Metaphorically cool anyhow, the temps may be slightly on the hot side to put it mildly!  ;-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;So take your pick: giant ice cubes slamming repeatedly at near light-speed into an ultra-compact neutron star and releasing petaton yields of energy somewhere in our galaxy, or a 5.5 billion light-year-distant black widow neutron star consuming its companion star and instigating a supernova event that utterly destroyed both, leaving nothing but rapidly expanding vapor with a tiny black hole at its heart.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Either way, the energies and temperatures and extremes involved are just staggering. 8)

I take it there will be astronomers working on choosing which of these  ideas is correct based on other factors and digging through the specific data?

Of course if a similar GRB  happens again at the exact same co-ordinates then it&#039;d be very good evidence indeed for the devoured comet theory - now if only we could schedule a second comet to hit say a few months later ... ;-)

 (If only we had FTL craft and could go - very carefully - and see for ourselves. Sigh.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Like I said, both ideas are pretty cool.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Sure are! Metaphorically cool anyhow, the temps may be slightly on the hot side to put it mildly!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><i>So take your pick: giant ice cubes slamming repeatedly at near light-speed into an ultra-compact neutron star and releasing petaton yields of energy somewhere in our galaxy, or a 5.5 billion light-year-distant black widow neutron star consuming its companion star and instigating a supernova event that utterly destroyed both, leaving nothing but rapidly expanding vapor with a tiny black hole at its heart.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Either way, the energies and temperatures and extremes involved are just staggering. 8)</p>
<p>I take it there will be astronomers working on choosing which of these  ideas is correct based on other factors and digging through the specific data?</p>
<p>Of course if a similar GRB  happens again at the exact same co-ordinates then it&#8217;d be very good evidence indeed for the devoured comet theory &#8211; now if only we could schedule a second comet to hit say a few months later &#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> (If only we had FTL craft and could go &#8211; very carefully &#8211; and see for ourselves. Sigh.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joseph G.: &quot;I’m not sure, but I think that the ferocious surface gravity would also tend to affect redshift measurements.&quot;

Emission from very near the neutron star would be so affected, but could be accounted for. Emission from farther out (like from the resulting accretion disk the modelers suggest) would be substantially less gravity red-shifted, but that lack of any spectrum at all right there is hard to account for if the source really was within the few tens of thousands of light-years in our galaxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joseph G.: &#8220;I’m not sure, but I think that the ferocious surface gravity would also tend to affect redshift measurements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Emission from very near the neutron star would be so affected, but could be accounted for. Emission from farther out (like from the resulting accretion disk the modelers suggest) would be substantially less gravity red-shifted, but that lack of any spectrum at all right there is hard to account for if the source really was within the few tens of thousands of light-years in our galaxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gary: If its headed this way I&#039;m just glad it&#039;s decelerating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gary: If its headed this way I&#8217;m just glad it&#8217;s decelerating.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@53 Gary Ansorge: &lt;i&gt;Hey, guys, that GRB was a message to me,,apparently my ship is out of dry dock and on its way home,,,&lt;/i&gt;
 They deliver?  That&#039;s nice.  I was gonna say, if you&#039;re looking for a ride to the dealership, good luck ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@53 Gary Ansorge: <i>Hey, guys, that GRB was a message to me,,apparently my ship is out of dry dock and on its way home,,,</i><br />
 They deliver?  That&#8217;s nice.  I was gonna say, if you&#8217;re looking for a ride to the dealership, good luck <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42 Nigel Depledge:  &lt;i&gt;Red-shift measurements rely on absorption lines from the “atmosphere” of a star. IIUC, a neutron star has no parallel to an atmosphere, so there is no matter there to absorb specific wavelengths form the black-body-like radiation that would have come from the impact site.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m pretty sure that neutron stars have a thin crust of normal matter above the &quot;mantle&quot; of degenerate matter, and that it should demonstrate absorption and emission lines just like any other object.  I think the problem is that neutron stars are relatively tiny and quite dim.  I&#039;m not sure, but I think that the ferocious surface gravity would also tend to affect redshift measurements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42 Nigel Depledge:  <i>Red-shift measurements rely on absorption lines from the “atmosphere” of a star. IIUC, a neutron star has no parallel to an atmosphere, so there is no matter there to absorb specific wavelengths form the black-body-like radiation that would have come from the impact site.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that neutron stars have a thin crust of normal matter above the &#8220;mantle&#8221; of degenerate matter, and that it should demonstrate absorption and emission lines just like any other object.  I think the problem is that neutron stars are relatively tiny and quite dim.  I&#8217;m not sure, but I think that the ferocious surface gravity would also tend to affect redshift measurements.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@50 Lightndattic, etc follow-up: It is also interesting that supernova explosions often provide a &#039;kick&#039; to the resulting compact remnant (a neutron star or black hole) which in this case may have set up the circumstances (a significantly elliptical orbit) for this particular neutron star&#039;s demise once the companion swelled large enough for its outer atmosphere to snatch it during its periastron passages...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@50 Lightndattic, etc follow-up: It is also interesting that supernova explosions often provide a &#8216;kick&#8217; to the resulting compact remnant (a neutron star or black hole) which in this case may have set up the circumstances (a significantly elliptical orbit) for this particular neutron star&#8217;s demise once the companion swelled large enough for its outer atmosphere to snatch it during its periastron passages&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, guys, that GRB was a message to me,,apparently my ship is out of dry dock and on its way home,,,

Gary 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, guys, that GRB was a message to me,,apparently my ship is out of dry dock and on its way home,,,</p>
<p>Gary 7</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main features that makes GRB 101225A so weird, as Phil says, are the long duration (a half hour&#039;s worth of gamma ray emission, although some have been observed to last a bit longer than a few minutes) and the apparent thermal component (as opposed to the usual synchrotronic emission, characteristic of charged particles being violently deflected or accelerated in a strong magnetic field).

Both of the hypothesis offered to explain this could account for it, but to my mind if I had to choose between them, there are considerations that persuade me that the more distant binary model is more likely: first, although the collision of a Ceres-sized body with an otherwise isolated neutron star is possible and might account for it, such an event would be quite rare. This  coupled with its location in Andromeda, a direction within our galaxy which is not particularly dense in terms of stellar population compared to directions closer to the midline of the galaxy&#039;s plane and especially the central region where one would expect a much higher population of such neutron stars that could in principle do this (Andromeda is looking some 120 degrees away from the galactic center - toward the Milky Way&#039;s OUTSKIRTS) defeats my enthusiasm for this scenario. Further, they&#039;ve reported what seems to be a very distant galaxy detected at the proper location.

I have to favor the extragalactic model, but I would expect more variations of that scenario to emerge as other examples (ultra-long duration + thermal emission) show up. In a general way it already belongs to the basic in-spiraling theme of other (short-duration) GRB theories invoking in-spiraling binary neutron stars and/or stellar-mass black holes. GRB 101225A might represent a new intriguing sub-category in which one of the binary members hasn&#039;t fully moved off the Main Sequence yet.

BTW @50 Lightndattic, etc: it&#039;s been fairly well established in computer simulations that a supernova within a close binary doesn&#039;t necessarily destroy the companion star.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main features that makes GRB 101225A so weird, as Phil says, are the long duration (a half hour&#8217;s worth of gamma ray emission, although some have been observed to last a bit longer than a few minutes) and the apparent thermal component (as opposed to the usual synchrotronic emission, characteristic of charged particles being violently deflected or accelerated in a strong magnetic field).</p>
<p>Both of the hypothesis offered to explain this could account for it, but to my mind if I had to choose between them, there are considerations that persuade me that the more distant binary model is more likely: first, although the collision of a Ceres-sized body with an otherwise isolated neutron star is possible and might account for it, such an event would be quite rare. This  coupled with its location in Andromeda, a direction within our galaxy which is not particularly dense in terms of stellar population compared to directions closer to the midline of the galaxy&#8217;s plane and especially the central region where one would expect a much higher population of such neutron stars that could in principle do this (Andromeda is looking some 120 degrees away from the galactic center &#8211; toward the Milky Way&#8217;s OUTSKIRTS) defeats my enthusiasm for this scenario. Further, they&#8217;ve reported what seems to be a very distant galaxy detected at the proper location.</p>
<p>I have to favor the extragalactic model, but I would expect more variations of that scenario to emerge as other examples (ultra-long duration + thermal emission) show up. In a general way it already belongs to the basic in-spiraling theme of other (short-duration) GRB theories invoking in-spiraling binary neutron stars and/or stellar-mass black holes. GRB 101225A might represent a new intriguing sub-category in which one of the binary members hasn&#8217;t fully moved off the Main Sequence yet.</p>
<p>BTW @50 Lightndattic, etc: it&#8217;s been fairly well established in computer simulations that a supernova within a close binary doesn&#8217;t necessarily destroy the companion star.</p>
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