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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got suckered into buying one of trudeau&#039;s cancer cure books.... I want to know if there is a class action law suit I can get in on......i&#039;d like my 30$ back for the book and as much as I can get for having to watch my mom slowley die of cancer and nothing helping in his stupid book.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got suckered into buying one of trudeau&#8217;s cancer cure books&#8230;. I want to know if there is a class action law suit I can get in on&#8230;&#8230;i&#8217;d like my 30$ back for the book and as much as I can get for having to watch my mom slowley die of cancer and nothing helping in his stupid book&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody know how many elderly are targeted by con artists like Kevin Trudeau, author of Free Money &quot;they&quot; don&#039;t want you to know about?  In 1990, Trudeau posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pleaded guilty to larceny. That same year, Trudeau faced federal charges of credit card fraud after he stole the names and Social Security numbers. Kevin follows the Law of Attraction. I hope he follows you shall reap what you sow and Karma laws too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody know how many elderly are targeted by con artists like Kevin Trudeau, author of Free Money &#8220;they&#8221; don&#8217;t want you to know about?  In 1990, Trudeau posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pleaded guilty to larceny. That same year, Trudeau faced federal charges of credit card fraud after he stole the names and Social Security numbers. Kevin follows the Law of Attraction. I hope he follows you shall reap what you sow and Karma laws too.</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;m Reading Tuesday, December 27, 2011 &#124; Rationally Thinking Out Loud</title>
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		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;m Reading Tuesday, December 27, 2011 &#124; Rationally Thinking Out Loud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Antice: You do realize that those are targeted ads on this site? In other words, the ads you are seeing are based on being similar to ads you have clicked on in the past. The ads I see here are mostly for shoes, graphic novels and fat girls bras. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Antice: You do realize that those are targeted ads on this site? In other words, the ads you are seeing are based on being similar to ads you have clicked on in the past. The ads I see here are mostly for shoes, graphic novels and fat girls bras. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@83 &amp; 84:  That&#039;s pretty much what I thought.  Obviously, no system is perfect and every society has problems, but as you say, I&#039;d rather be disabled in a dreaded &quot;nanny state&quot; then one full of rugged individualists who don&#039;t see why everyone else isn&#039;t just as rugged as they are.
But still, it never ceases to amaze me how, particularly when health care comes up, conservative pundits here in the states will actually make arguments that amount to some variation of &quot;Do you really want to have the same system as the UK/France/Canada/etc?  Do you realize how what a &lt;i&gt;horrible&lt;/i&gt; step down that would be?&quot;  And they say this with a straight face.  Seriously.
I wonder if some of these folks have ever come within 50 miles of a US border.  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@83 &amp; 84:  That&#8217;s pretty much what I thought.  Obviously, no system is perfect and every society has problems, but as you say, I&#8217;d rather be disabled in a dreaded &#8220;nanny state&#8221; then one full of rugged individualists who don&#8217;t see why everyone else isn&#8217;t just as rugged as they are.<br />
But still, it never ceases to amaze me how, particularly when health care comes up, conservative pundits here in the states will actually make arguments that amount to some variation of &#8220;Do you really want to have the same system as the UK/France/Canada/etc?  Do you realize how what a <i>horrible</i> step down that would be?&#8221;  And they say this with a straight face.  Seriously.<br />
I wonder if some of these folks have ever come within 50 miles of a US border.  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: DrXym</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrXym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even begin to grasp the logic of why any European country is somehow a &quot;horror story&quot; as far as US citizens are concerned. No country is perfect and I&#039;m sure you could pick holes in every health / social security system but as far as I know every EU country provides a high standard of health care to even the most disadvantaged in society as well as benefits to those who are unemployed / disabled in order to feed, clothe and house themselves. As I said no system is perfect, but IMO I&#039;d take living on welfare in the EU over living on welfare in the US any day, not just for my day to day needs but also to assist me in getting back into employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t even begin to grasp the logic of why any European country is somehow a &#8220;horror story&#8221; as far as US citizens are concerned. No country is perfect and I&#8217;m sure you could pick holes in every health / social security system but as far as I know every EU country provides a high standard of health care to even the most disadvantaged in society as well as benefits to those who are unemployed / disabled in order to feed, clothe and house themselves. As I said no system is perfect, but IMO I&#8217;d take living on welfare in the EU over living on welfare in the US any day, not just for my day to day needs but also to assist me in getting back into employment.</p>
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		<title>By: PayasYouStargaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>PayasYouStargaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@70 Joseph G:

&lt;blockquote&gt;On a related note, a question (from an American) for all the Europeans here: Do you folks get a giggle when certain Americans use your countries as cautionary horror stories to argue for right-wing (US) domestic politics?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes I do. Listening to these particular people you&#039;d think we needed permission from the government to leave our houses in case we tripped and fell on the pavement (US: sidewalk). Or that we would have to speak to a government agency before making a phone call in case we said something &quot;illegal&quot; to our mums about what we had for dinner tonight.

Now obviously our culture isn&#039;t perfect either. But I feel safe, secure and free to exercise my personal freedoms without a paranoia about what the GOVERNMENT might be up to. It seems that distrust of the government is much more common in the US of A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@70 Joseph G:</p>
<blockquote><p>On a related note, a question (from an American) for all the Europeans here: Do you folks get a giggle when certain Americans use your countries as cautionary horror stories to argue for right-wing (US) domestic politics?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes I do. Listening to these particular people you&#8217;d think we needed permission from the government to leave our houses in case we tripped and fell on the pavement (US: sidewalk). Or that we would have to speak to a government agency before making a phone call in case we said something &#8220;illegal&#8221; to our mums about what we had for dinner tonight.</p>
<p>Now obviously our culture isn&#8217;t perfect either. But I feel safe, secure and free to exercise my personal freedoms without a paranoia about what the GOVERNMENT might be up to. It seems that distrust of the government is much more common in the US of A.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The URL for the court&#039;s opinion has changed. The correct URL is http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/DZ1FFOJM.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The URL for the court&#8217;s opinion has changed. The correct URL is <a href="http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/DZ1FFOJM.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/DZ1FFOJM.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: vince charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>vince charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>58.   Dallas Said:

&quot;Your justification for why fraud is wrong seems to assume that all harms against the public should be stopped, and should trump individual rights... So, which is it?&quot;

Dallas, you&#039;ve posted the &quot;false dichotomy&quot; fallacy multiple times already (as well as others).  Has it occured to you that there might be a third, fourth, or fifth possibility?

Fraud harms the public at large, not just the direct victim, as later entities take up defensive measures to combat it.  These defense mechanisms exact a toll, even in transactions where no fraud happened.  Thus, once fraud reaches some noticeable level, it grinds down a market.  In extreme cases, a market collapses when enough participants, expecting enough fraud, simply refuse to bother any more.

Ever buy a house, Dallas?  Ever wonder just how much time and money everyone- buyer, seller, lender, etc.- would save if everyone was honest?  That&#039;s the economic impact of fraud, not moral/ethical or philosophical, or even cultural (in the literal sense).  And we burn that time and money even when buyer, seller, lender, realtor, pets, etc. are being completely honest.

And I&#039;ll add that multiple actors can and do combat fraud, not just the state.  Buyers hire inspectors.  Certain markets have trade associations.  Professionals have professional organizations and congresses.  Engineers, in particular, have independent engineering consultants.  Most of these call on outside auditors at some point.  Most of _these_ have some nonprofit claiming to be a watchdog.  And yet, who likes having their project/group audited... sometimes at cost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>58.   Dallas Said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Your justification for why fraud is wrong seems to assume that all harms against the public should be stopped, and should trump individual rights&#8230; So, which is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dallas, you&#8217;ve posted the &#8220;false dichotomy&#8221; fallacy multiple times already (as well as others).  Has it occured to you that there might be a third, fourth, or fifth possibility?</p>
<p>Fraud harms the public at large, not just the direct victim, as later entities take up defensive measures to combat it.  These defense mechanisms exact a toll, even in transactions where no fraud happened.  Thus, once fraud reaches some noticeable level, it grinds down a market.  In extreme cases, a market collapses when enough participants, expecting enough fraud, simply refuse to bother any more.</p>
<p>Ever buy a house, Dallas?  Ever wonder just how much time and money everyone- buyer, seller, lender, etc.- would save if everyone was honest?  That&#8217;s the economic impact of fraud, not moral/ethical or philosophical, or even cultural (in the literal sense).  And we burn that time and money even when buyer, seller, lender, realtor, pets, etc. are being completely honest.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll add that multiple actors can and do combat fraud, not just the state.  Buyers hire inspectors.  Certain markets have trade associations.  Professionals have professional organizations and congresses.  Engineers, in particular, have independent engineering consultants.  Most of these call on outside auditors at some point.  Most of _these_ have some nonprofit claiming to be a watchdog.  And yet, who likes having their project/group audited&#8230; sometimes at cost?</p>
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		<title>By: John Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ TC (77)

&quot;As soon as you start to think that you are too smart to fall for a trick, you will fall for one.

James Randi often harps on this point, because it is true.&quot;

You are absolutely correct!

Res Ipsa Loquitur: The $1.5 Million Dollar Bail He Doesn&#039;t Want You To Know About.

Imagine. Randi boasts that he has &quot;debunked&quot; anyone who has attempted to win the $1 Million Dollar Challenge, and yet, he ends up paying $1.5 Million Dollars to bail out a fraud, a real fraud. Wow! The irony of it all!

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-15/news/fl-jose-alvarez-artist-identity-theft-20110914_1_id-theft-identity-frauds

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-03/news/fl-amazing-randi-jose-alvarez-plea-20111103_1_identity-theft-guilty-plea-plea-deal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TC (77)</p>
<p>&#8220;As soon as you start to think that you are too smart to fall for a trick, you will fall for one.</p>
<p>James Randi often harps on this point, because it is true.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct!</p>
<p>Res Ipsa Loquitur: The $1.5 Million Dollar Bail He Doesn&#8217;t Want You To Know About.</p>
<p>Imagine. Randi boasts that he has &#8220;debunked&#8221; anyone who has attempted to win the $1 Million Dollar Challenge, and yet, he ends up paying $1.5 Million Dollars to bail out a fraud, a real fraud. Wow! The irony of it all!</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-15/news/fl-jose-alvarez-artist-identity-theft-20110914_1_id-theft-identity-frauds" rel="nofollow">http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-15/news/fl-jose-alvarez-artist-identity-theft-20110914_1_id-theft-identity-frauds</a></p>
<p><a href="http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-03/news/fl-amazing-randi-jose-alvarez-plea-20111103_1_identity-theft-guilty-plea-plea-deal" rel="nofollow">http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-03/news/fl-amazing-randi-jose-alvarez-plea-20111103_1_identity-theft-guilty-plea-plea-deal</a></p>
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