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	<title>Comments on: A public letter to the US Government upon the passing of NDAA</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alright some things Phil says is true but some is not one they can only snatch you right off the street or out of your house if they suspect you to be a terrorist and also 1031 and 1032 are both nullified by the contradiction the NDAA which says that anyone who is suspected of being a terrorist can be compounded and arrested and never to see a fair trial. Also in these they can torture and most likely do torture those they suspect and as Ron Paul stated that our government is not under torturing someone if it means getting answers that may just be false. You may read and be fed lies but truly read the entire thing and see how the protection of citizens from this new acts gets contradicted. This act that is passed can destroy this country but.. this act is only for the physical year therefore next year it would most likely be removed do to its unconstitutional conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alright some things Phil says is true but some is not one they can only snatch you right off the street or out of your house if they suspect you to be a terrorist and also 1031 and 1032 are both nullified by the contradiction the NDAA which says that anyone who is suspected of being a terrorist can be compounded and arrested and never to see a fair trial. Also in these they can torture and most likely do torture those they suspect and as Ron Paul stated that our government is not under torturing someone if it means getting answers that may just be false. You may read and be fed lies but truly read the entire thing and see how the protection of citizens from this new acts gets contradicted. This act that is passed can destroy this country but.. this act is only for the physical year therefore next year it would most likely be removed do to its unconstitutional conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Buttar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahid Buttar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of opportunities to defend the rule of law and restore the right to trial in 2012.  Read about early efforts, as well as further analysis of the constitutional catastrophe wrought by the NDAA, at http://www.constitutioncampaign.org/blog/?p=5307.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of opportunities to defend the rule of law and restore the right to trial in 2012.  Read about early efforts, as well as further analysis of the constitutional catastrophe wrought by the NDAA, at <a href="http://www.constitutioncampaign.org/blog/?p=5307" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitutioncampaign.org/blog/?p=5307</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandpaspeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grandpaspeaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get ready for the next move. Kissinger once quipped &quot;Control the oil and you control countries, control the food and you control the people&quot; To all the naysayers who think this will not apply to US citizens, the Homeland definition of a potential terrorist is one with 7 days or more of food stored. Residential centers are already stocked. To all the oathkeepers, there are overt and covert domestic enemies. McVey was an overt terrorist and the previous system seemed to deal with him. Now, with the NDAA passed by Obama, it is imperative to correctly identify the covert domestic enemies of the Constitution. The system is now prepared for a violent revolution with the continuation of government plans to introduce a new bill of rights and suspend the constitution. Violence will not be the way. We have already been out manouvered. The vote in November will be our last chance to get it right. Get it wrong and it my be the last X you mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get ready for the next move. Kissinger once quipped &#8220;Control the oil and you control countries, control the food and you control the people&#8221; To all the naysayers who think this will not apply to US citizens, the Homeland definition of a potential terrorist is one with 7 days or more of food stored. Residential centers are already stocked. To all the oathkeepers, there are overt and covert domestic enemies. McVey was an overt terrorist and the previous system seemed to deal with him. Now, with the NDAA passed by Obama, it is imperative to correctly identify the covert domestic enemies of the Constitution. The system is now prepared for a violent revolution with the continuation of government plans to introduce a new bill of rights and suspend the constitution. Violence will not be the way. We have already been out manouvered. The vote in November will be our last chance to get it right. Get it wrong and it my be the last X you mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To David Musick and others:  A great explanation of the bill&#039;s language can be found here:  

http://verdict.justia.com/2011/12/21/the-national-defense-authorization-act-explained</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To David Musick and others:  A great explanation of the bill&#8217;s language can be found here:  </p>
<p><a href="http://verdict.justia.com/2011/12/21/the-national-defense-authorization-act-explained" rel="nofollow">http://verdict.justia.com/2011/12/21/the-national-defense-authorization-act-explained</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish your assurances made me feel relieved, however, the ACLU seems concerned, too, and I think I&#039;ll take their concern over your confidence our President will not take action against it&#039;s citizens with murky wording in a 5,000 page bill. Feinstein&#039;s amendment to expunge this small paragraph allowing our President to indefinitely detain us was roundly defeated. I don&#039;t feel so good. Like my Rights as an American citizen are being violated. Bells going off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish your assurances made me feel relieved, however, the ACLU seems concerned, too, and I think I&#8217;ll take their concern over your confidence our President will not take action against it&#8217;s citizens with murky wording in a 5,000 page bill. Feinstein&#8217;s amendment to expunge this small paragraph allowing our President to indefinitely detain us was roundly defeated. I don&#8217;t feel so good. Like my Rights as an American citizen are being violated. Bells going off.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, this act is not radical far right-wing policy. On that I most adamantly disagree with you. Conservatives believe in the Constitution. This is directly AGAINST the Constitution. This is facism.  I urge everyone to contact the ACLU who (I pray) will fight this on behalf of the American people. This part of the bill MUST be expunged and ruled unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, this act is not radical far right-wing policy. On that I most adamantly disagree with you. Conservatives believe in the Constitution. This is directly AGAINST the Constitution. This is facism.  I urge everyone to contact the ACLU who (I pray) will fight this on behalf of the American people. This part of the bill MUST be expunged and ruled unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Project Freedom &#187; Ron Paul On The NDAA.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Project Freedom &#187; Ron Paul On The NDAA.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to support Dr. Paul. 12/27/11: Dr. Phil Plait (aka The Bad Astronomer) provides an excellent critique of the NDAA. Superb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: If You Don&#8217;t Vote, Then You Don&#8217;t Have the Right To Complain &#171; The Laughing Flapper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/a-public-letter-to-the-us-government-upon-the-passing-of-ndaa/comment-page-4/#comment-460516</link>
		<dc:creator>If You Don&#8217;t Vote, Then You Don&#8217;t Have the Right To Complain &#171; The Laughing Flapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A public letter to the US Government upon the passing of NDAA &#124; Bad Astronomy (blogs.discovermagazine.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Obama NDAA OK Draws OccupyMN Protest At Obama Reelection HQ &#124; Occupy Cyberspace &#8211; American Autumn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/a-public-letter-to-the-us-government-upon-the-passing-of-ndaa/comment-page-4/#comment-460475</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama NDAA OK Draws OccupyMN Protest At Obama Reelection HQ &#124; Occupy Cyberspace &#8211; American Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A public letter to the US Government upon the passing of NDAA &#124; Bad Astronomy (blogs.discovermagazine.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been an attorney for 20 years.  I can read a piece of legislation.  It&#039;s official.  Our supposedly elected, supposed representatives just abolished the Constitution.  No, they did not repeal any part of it.  They didn&#039;t need to.  They just made it &quot;legal&quot; to make anyone who disagrees with them disappear (&quot;belligerent act&quot;).  The worst part is that, like the author of this letter, I too am actually wondering what particular list I am being placed on for speaking out about it.  Americans should not have to feel that way, ever.  I have never before been ashamed to have spent my working life in the law.  But, I am now.  The social contract is broken; the rule of law is dead.  Without them, we are doomed to become nothing but a giant Somalia.  We had better start marching in the streets now, or we will be fighting in them soon.  I don&#039;t know about the people in other states.  But, the people in my state will not stand for this.  This is the seedling of revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an attorney for 20 years.  I can read a piece of legislation.  It&#8217;s official.  Our supposedly elected, supposed representatives just abolished the Constitution.  No, they did not repeal any part of it.  They didn&#8217;t need to.  They just made it &#8220;legal&#8221; to make anyone who disagrees with them disappear (&#8220;belligerent act&#8221;).  The worst part is that, like the author of this letter, I too am actually wondering what particular list I am being placed on for speaking out about it.  Americans should not have to feel that way, ever.  I have never before been ashamed to have spent my working life in the law.  But, I am now.  The social contract is broken; the rule of law is dead.  Without them, we are doomed to become nothing but a giant Somalia.  We had better start marching in the streets now, or we will be fighting in them soon.  I don&#8217;t know about the people in other states.  But, the people in my state will not stand for this.  This is the seedling of revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmar_M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmar_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; This shows why the two-party system is wrong, wrong, wrong. It is even worse than denying global warming. (A token third-party makes no sense as long as seats are distributed according to the first-past-the-post rule.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Absolutely true. In my country, the two big parties thought that they could do whatever they wanted. Split the cake nicely between them. Now the opposition is about to be the strongest party with the next elections and the two former big ones are peeing their pants. They litterally tried everything to keep the opposition down, including spreading lies and missinformation via government controlled media. In the end it was no use. People here have enough. Maybe there is a way for the US there as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> This shows why the two-party system is wrong, wrong, wrong. It is even worse than denying global warming. (A token third-party makes no sense as long as seats are distributed according to the first-past-the-post rule.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely true. In my country, the two big parties thought that they could do whatever they wanted. Split the cake nicely between them. Now the opposition is about to be the strongest party with the next elections and the two former big ones are peeing their pants. They litterally tried everything to keep the opposition down, including spreading lies and missinformation via government controlled media. In the end it was no use. People here have enough. Maybe there is a way for the US there as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;I will not be voting for you in the next election cycle&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

So, you will vote for the other candidate, even if he also voted against your wishes, or you won&#039;t vote at all.  The first option is probably cutting off your nose to spite your face.  The second option accomplishes nothing or might tip the balance in favour of the other candidate, whom you presumably regard as worse (otherwise you would have voted for him).

This shows why the two-party system is wrong, wrong, wrong.  It is even worse than denying global warming.  (A token third-party makes no sense as long as seats are distributed according to the first-past-the-post rule.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I will not be voting for you in the next election cycle&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So, you will vote for the other candidate, even if he also voted against your wishes, or you won&#8217;t vote at all.  The first option is probably cutting off your nose to spite your face.  The second option accomplishes nothing or might tip the balance in favour of the other candidate, whom you presumably regard as worse (otherwise you would have voted for him).</p>
<p>This shows why the two-party system is wrong, wrong, wrong.  It is even worse than denying global warming.  (A token third-party makes no sense as long as seats are distributed according to the first-past-the-post rule.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/a-public-letter-to-the-us-government-upon-the-passing-of-ndaa/comment-page-4/#comment-459038</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Joseph&lt;/b&gt;,

  I like!  Certainly accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Joseph</b>,</p>
<p>  I like!  Certainly accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gahhh it happened again!!! 
Discoverymag doesn&#039;t like me today...

I&#039;ll just leave you with this quote: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...one of the great secrets of human nature is that the one thing people want more than love, security, sex, chocolate or big-screen TV&#039;s is to feel hard done by.
Why? Because being hard done by is the shit. Feeling hard done by is the sweetest of drugs. If you&#039;re being persecuted -- it must mean you&#039;re doing the right thing, right? You get the mellow buzz of the moral high ground, but without arrogantly claiming it as your own. You get an instant, supportive community in a big dark scary world of such scope it may well literally be beyond rational human processing. When you are hard done by, you get purpose in a life where otherwise, you&#039;d have to find your own. And when you ride that high, then no amount of logic, no pointing out that in actuality you and your beliefs are at a high point of popularity and influence for the last hundred years -- is going to pry that sweet crack-pipe of moral indignation from your hands.”
—John Roger&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gahhh it happened again!!!<br />
Discoverymag doesn&#8217;t like me today&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just leave you with this quote: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;one of the great secrets of human nature is that the one thing people want more than love, security, sex, chocolate or big-screen TV&#8217;s is to feel hard done by.<br />
Why? Because being hard done by is the shit. Feeling hard done by is the sweetest of drugs. If you&#8217;re being persecuted &#8212; it must mean you&#8217;re doing the right thing, right? You get the mellow buzz of the moral high ground, but without arrogantly claiming it as your own. You get an instant, supportive community in a big dark scary world of such scope it may well literally be beyond rational human processing. When you are hard done by, you get purpose in a life where otherwise, you&#8217;d have to find your own. And when you ride that high, then no amount of logic, no pointing out that in actuality you and your beliefs are at a high point of popularity and influence for the last hundred years &#8212; is going to pry that sweet crack-pipe of moral indignation from your hands.”<br />
—John Roger</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I&#039;m sorry to hear that.  It happens on this blog platform sometimes.  I&#039;m looking forward to your reply!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I&#8217;m sorry to hear that.  It happens on this blog platform sometimes.  I&#8217;m looking forward to your reply!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh WTF!?!?  I wrote a long response to Hugo Schmidt, and it just farking disappeared!  And now I have to go to an appointment.  Dammit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh WTF!?!?  I wrote a long response to Hugo Schmidt, and it just farking disappeared!  And now I have to go to an appointment.  Dammit!</p>
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		<title>By: 007</title>
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		<dc:creator>007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America, a beutiful country. Where we live in peace while our soldiers are fighting for us. Now John McCain is going to put our America to hell. I don&#039;t understand why this phsyco thinks everything should be solved by war. If the government is actually going to do this, then what is the point of even living. Senator John McCain is not understanding the rights of the people. If we don&#039;t have rights than he doesn&#039;t have rights, he is a traitor. 
Founding Fathers, will not forgive you. Goodbye my fellow aquantinces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America, a beutiful country. Where we live in peace while our soldiers are fighting for us. Now John McCain is going to put our America to hell. I don&#8217;t understand why this phsyco thinks everything should be solved by war. If the government is actually going to do this, then what is the point of even living. Senator John McCain is not understanding the rights of the people. If we don&#8217;t have rights than he doesn&#8217;t have rights, he is a traitor.<br />
Founding Fathers, will not forgive you. Goodbye my fellow aquantinces.</p>
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		<title>By: james k</title>
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		<dc:creator>james k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to those of you who speak your opinion without regard for facts. You may read the text of Section 1032 of the NDAA which does indeed grant the U.S. government the authority to treat American citizens in the U.S. as meat to be disposed of . Maybe someone with a third grade education can explain the following to you.
 
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
   (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to those of you who speak your opinion without regard for facts. You may read the text of Section 1032 of the NDAA which does indeed grant the U.S. government the authority to treat American citizens in the U.S. as meat to be disposed of . Maybe someone with a third grade education can explain the following to you.</p>
<p>(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.<br />
   (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No probs.  I envy that you can still discover his work.  Very worth reading, especially alongside that of his brother.  On youtube you can catch some of their debates, and the one I&#039;d recommend is the one on the EU and the abolition of Britain.

  As regards self-pitying, it&#039;s encapsulated in what I said.  It&#039;s as though, never having been under a real tyrants boot, there exists a breed of commentators who are jealous of the moral stature of those who have struggled against the real thing.  Hence this stuff about the US really being a &quot;police state&quot;.

  The country I am referring to is Britain, where you can get arrested and charged and sentenced for offending religious sensibilities, and for a number of other speech-crimes, and where we have a rapidly growing religious right that makes the one in the States look like timid amateurs in comparison.  On the continent, where I also spend some time, things can be much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No probs.  I envy that you can still discover his work.  Very worth reading, especially alongside that of his brother.  On youtube you can catch some of their debates, and the one I&#8217;d recommend is the one on the EU and the abolition of Britain.</p>
<p>  As regards self-pitying, it&#8217;s encapsulated in what I said.  It&#8217;s as though, never having been under a real tyrants boot, there exists a breed of commentators who are jealous of the moral stature of those who have struggled against the real thing.  Hence this stuff about the US really being a &#8220;police state&#8221;.</p>
<p>  The country I am referring to is Britain, where you can get arrested and charged and sentenced for offending religious sensibilities, and for a number of other speech-crimes, and where we have a rapidly growing religious right that makes the one in the States look like timid amateurs in comparison.  On the continent, where I also spend some time, things can be much worse.</p>
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		<dc:creator>None none</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What u aren&#039;t seeing is how easy it is to be labeled a terrorist .. It doesn&#039;t take much and once u are labeled a terrorist u can&#039;t say hey I&#039;m a american u can&#039;t detain me .. Just read the papers a child not to long ago told his teacher she looked pretty !! The child was labeled a terrorist just for saying that ... It&#039;s so easy to be labeled a terrorist and once u are your gone forever ... So all u na Sayers u better think twice ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What u aren&#8217;t seeing is how easy it is to be labeled a terrorist .. It doesn&#8217;t take much and once u are labeled a terrorist u can&#8217;t say hey I&#8217;m a american u can&#8217;t detain me .. Just read the papers a child not to long ago told his teacher she looked pretty !! The child was labeled a terrorist just for saying that &#8230; It&#8217;s so easy to be labeled a terrorist and once u are your gone forever &#8230; So all u na Sayers u better think twice &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@151 Hugo Schmidt: Maybe I&#039;m tired, but I&#039;m not quite following you on a couple of things. 

&lt;i&gt; If you haven’t yet had the chance to encounter the younger brother, I envy you. &lt;/i&gt;
Do you mean you envy me not having had to waste time reading his stuff?  Or you envy the fact that I&#039;ll have the pleasant experience of discovering him?

&lt;i&gt;As regards this stuff, I simply do not understand the hysterical and self-pitying side of American politics.&lt;/i&gt;
Self-pitying how?  I&#039;m sure that&#039;s an apt description of some people, I&#039;m just looking for an example.

&lt;i&gt; It doesn’t compute: tea party activists saying Obama will make himself a tyrant, the yahoos over at freethoughtblogs claiming that the US is a police state… You should try living in this country a while.&lt;/i&gt;
Which country is that?  And why; is the situation even worse?  Or better?
Apologies if I missed something obvious, but it&#039;s late and I just hit the refresh button before going to bed :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@151 Hugo Schmidt: Maybe I&#8217;m tired, but I&#8217;m not quite following you on a couple of things. </p>
<p><i> If you haven’t yet had the chance to encounter the younger brother, I envy you. </i><br />
Do you mean you envy me not having had to waste time reading his stuff?  Or you envy the fact that I&#8217;ll have the pleasant experience of discovering him?</p>
<p><i>As regards this stuff, I simply do not understand the hysterical and self-pitying side of American politics.</i><br />
Self-pitying how?  I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s an apt description of some people, I&#8217;m just looking for an example.</p>
<p><i> It doesn’t compute: tea party activists saying Obama will make himself a tyrant, the yahoos over at freethoughtblogs claiming that the US is a police state… You should try living in this country a while.</i><br />
Which country is that?  And why; is the situation even worse?  Or better?<br />
Apologies if I missed something obvious, but it&#8217;s late and I just hit the refresh button before going to bed <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Joseph G&lt;/b&gt;,

  Yes, the younger brother.  Probably the best conservative writer around today.  Properly conservative, mind you.  

  Basically, if you read both Peter and Christopher on any given subject, you will have the best arguments for and against it.  Though they did agree on some things.  If you haven&#039;t yet had the chance to encounter the younger brother, I envy you.  

  As regards this stuff,  I simply do not understand the hysterical and self-pitying side of American politics.  It doesn&#039;t compute: tea party activists saying Obama will make himself a tyrant, the yahoos over at freethoughtblogs claiming that the US is a police state...  You should try living in this country a while. 

  When it comes specifically towards extreme actions against terrorism, the way they are always sold is that you have dedicated and devoted people who need to exceed the law now and then for good reasons.  It&#039;s not the case.  It&#039;s beause the US - and the UK too, heavens knows - have a ruling class that is both cowardly and nasty on this issue.  Unable to do what&#039;s right, it tries to make up for it by doing a lot of what&#039;s wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Joseph G</b>,</p>
<p>  Yes, the younger brother.  Probably the best conservative writer around today.  Properly conservative, mind you.  </p>
<p>  Basically, if you read both Peter and Christopher on any given subject, you will have the best arguments for and against it.  Though they did agree on some things.  If you haven&#8217;t yet had the chance to encounter the younger brother, I envy you.  </p>
<p>  As regards this stuff,  I simply do not understand the hysterical and self-pitying side of American politics.  It doesn&#8217;t compute: tea party activists saying Obama will make himself a tyrant, the yahoos over at freethoughtblogs claiming that the US is a police state&#8230;  You should try living in this country a while. </p>
<p>  When it comes specifically towards extreme actions against terrorism, the way they are always sold is that you have dedicated and devoted people who need to exceed the law now and then for good reasons.  It&#8217;s not the case.  It&#8217;s beause the US &#8211; and the UK too, heavens knows &#8211; have a ruling class that is both cowardly and nasty on this issue.  Unable to do what&#8217;s right, it tries to make up for it by doing a lot of what&#8217;s wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if it couldn&#039;t get any worse, you can now be shipped abroad to be tortured too!

http://rt.com/usa/news/foreign-ndaa-suspected-us-367/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if it couldn&#8217;t get any worse, you can now be shipped abroad to be tortured too!</p>
<p><a href="http://rt.com/usa/news/foreign-ndaa-suspected-us-367/" rel="nofollow">http://rt.com/usa/news/foreign-ndaa-suspected-us-367/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@148 Pepijn:  Not only that, the guy doesn&#039;t seem to be very clear on what rights are, from an &quot;American founding documents&quot; perspective, anyway.  As per the Declaration of Independence, an inalienable right (or what is typically called a &quot;natural&quot; right, as opposed to a &quot;mere&quot; legal right) is one which is &quot;endowed [upon persons] by their creator.&quot; 
In other words, human rights (pretty much encompassing what used to be called &quot;natural rights&quot;)  are something that you are &lt;i&gt;born&lt;/i&gt; with.  They can be taken away, but they&#039;re not bestowed upon you by a government.  So it&#039;s not a question of the US government &lt;i&gt;giving&lt;/i&gt; (or not giving) illegal aliens rights, it&#039;s a question of whether or not they &lt;i&gt;take them away&lt;/i&gt; without due process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@148 Pepijn:  Not only that, the guy doesn&#8217;t seem to be very clear on what rights are, from an &#8220;American founding documents&#8221; perspective, anyway.  As per the Declaration of Independence, an inalienable right (or what is typically called a &#8220;natural&#8221; right, as opposed to a &#8220;mere&#8221; legal right) is one which is &#8220;endowed [upon persons] by their creator.&#8221;<br />
In other words, human rights (pretty much encompassing what used to be called &#8220;natural rights&#8221;)  are something that you are <i>born</i> with.  They can be taken away, but they&#8217;re not bestowed upon you by a government.  So it&#8217;s not a question of the US government <i>giving</i> (or not giving) illegal aliens rights, it&#8217;s a question of whether or not they <i>take them away</i> without due process.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@144 Solius:  Where did you get those quotes?  Sounds like an interesting site.
Also, lolz at the ex-CEO of a bank referring to himself as &quot;productive&quot;.  That&#039;s about as far removed from producing things as you can be and still have an actual job title. 

EDIT: Actually, I take that back.  The furthest you can be from producing anything of value and still have a job title would be &quot;Congressperson&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@144 Solius:  Where did you get those quotes?  Sounds like an interesting site.<br />
Also, lolz at the ex-CEO of a bank referring to himself as &#8220;productive&#8221;.  That&#8217;s about as far removed from producing things as you can be and still have an actual job title. </p>
<p>EDIT: Actually, I take that back.  The furthest you can be from producing anything of value and still have a job title would be &#8220;Congressperson&#8221;.</p>
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