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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Saturn, scale and Monty Python? &#124; Intelligent Life</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/the-scale-of-saturn/comment-page-2/#comment-460217</link>
		<dc:creator>Saturn, scale and Monty Python? &#124; Intelligent Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Plait at Bad Astronomy describes this image. This image shows, of course, the ringed planet itself, with the rings seen edge-on and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; The scale of Saturn Epicene Cyborg</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; The scale of Saturn Epicene Cyborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saturn is large and in charge. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Saturnalia &#124; Sesquiotica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturnalia &#124; Sesquiotica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 04:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, there&#8217;s more than one Saturn. There&#8217;s Saturn the planet, which was once thought to be the most distant, and coldest, planet, and people born under its influence were considered to have cold, distant dispositions, hence saturnine. It&#8217;s actually a glorious planet – with its archetypal rings – and it&#8217;s huge, bigger than Christmas even; see blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/the-scale-of-saturn. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Week in Geek, holiday edition &#124; GoodWorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Week in Geek, holiday edition &#124; GoodWorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big is Saturn really? Try this on for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hire Jim Essian - Friday Roundup: The &#8220;Festivus&#8221; Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hire Jim Essian - Friday Roundup: The &#8220;Festivus&#8221; Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saturn. It&#8217;s big. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;ve never heard of Georgium Siderus.  

Next time I&#039;m pissed at someone I&#039;ll tell &#039;em to cram it up Georgium Siderus.  Hah.  
Yes, I&#039;m immature. What of it?  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;ve never heard of Georgium Siderus.  </p>
<p>Next time I&#8217;m pissed at someone I&#8217;ll tell &#8216;em to cram it up Georgium Siderus.  Hah.<br />
Yes, I&#8217;m immature. What of it?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/the-scale-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-458358</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46 MTU:  Thanks!  You know, it&#039;s not an area of my expertise, but there&#039;s an app called Celestia that I &lt;i&gt;believe&lt;/i&gt; would allow you to do something like this (create an automated &quot;tour&quot; of the solar system, traveling at the speed of light).  I think new versions of Celestia even support red/blueshifting effects.
Maybe you could create a &quot;brief&quot; version where the &quot;flybys&quot; are done at light speed, and then there&#039;s a time counter which is accelerated in the space between planets, so you still have a sense of how long it&#039;d actually take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 MTU:  Thanks!  You know, it&#8217;s not an area of my expertise, but there&#8217;s an app called Celestia that I <i>believe</i> would allow you to do something like this (create an automated &#8220;tour&#8221; of the solar system, traveling at the speed of light).  I think new versions of Celestia even support red/blueshifting effects.<br />
Maybe you could create a &#8220;brief&#8221; version where the &#8220;flybys&#8221; are done at light speed, and then there&#8217;s a time counter which is accelerated in the space between planets, so you still have a sense of how long it&#8217;d actually take.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen Merino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen Merino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s some perspective! For some reason this picture has me humming the &quot;Galaxy Song&quot; from Monty Python...</description>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42.   Chris A. : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;@MTU (#35): “this planet is Saturn – the Roman name for the Greek god Chronos.”
Not quite. The Greek equivalent of the Roman Saturn is Cronus (or Kronos), not Chronos. Two different entities. So, Phil should probably have written “encronusate,” not “encronosate.” But when it comes to neologisms, who’s to say what the proper spelling should be (if not he/she who coins it)?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Fair enough - thanks. I&#039;ll try to remember that in future. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42.   Chris A. : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>@MTU (#35): “this planet is Saturn – the Roman name for the Greek god Chronos.”<br />
Not quite. The Greek equivalent of the Roman Saturn is Cronus (or Kronos), not Chronos. Two different entities. So, Phil should probably have written “encronusate,” not “encronosate.” But when it comes to neologisms, who’s to say what the proper spelling should be (if not he/she who coins it)?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough &#8211; thanks. I&#8217;ll try to remember that in future. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Joseph G. : Y&#039;know that is a superluminous idea! I second that suggestion. :-)

I&#039;d really love to see that put into practice even if it would take an awfully long time to get to my favourite planet - Pluto! ;-) 

(Guess they could cheat just slightly and have Pluto located at its perihelion distance of just 29.6 Astronomical Units rather than its aphelion one of 49.3 AU. Mean distance of 5,900 million  kilometers or 330 minutes (5.5 hours) as the photon flies.  Waiting till we get to Sedna may test my patience though! ;-) ) 

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FWIW &amp; if it helps : 

&lt;b&gt;Planet     = Travel time at light speed &lt;/b&gt; (Heading out from Sun in straight line.)


Mercury = 3.2 minutes

Venus = 6.0 minutes 

Earth =8.3 minutes  (Light takes about 2 seconds travelling between Earth &amp; Moon.)

Mars = 13 minutes

Ceres = ?? 

Jupiter =43 minutes

Saturn = 79 minutes

Ouranos / 34 Tauri / Georgium Siderus = 159 minutes  (2.7 hours) 

Neptune = 246 minutes (4.1 hours)

Pluto = 330 minutes (5.5 hours) 

Eris = ??? 

Haumea = ??? 

Makemake = ??? 

Quaoar = ??? 

Sedna = ??? 

NB. 1 light year = the distance travelled by light in a year = 63,240 AU or 0.30660 parsec

1 parsec =   the distance a star would have a parallax of 1 second of arc 
 = 206,265 AU or 3.2616 light year
 
The “pointers” to the Southern Cross are two of the brightest stars in our sky. The lower one is Alpha Centauri our nearest stellar neighbour at 4.3 light years away and a binary of yellow and orange dwarfs. The other, a blue supergiant called Hadar, Agena or Beta Centauri appears almost as bright to us but lies some &lt;strike&gt;460&lt;/strike&gt; 352 light years away! Click on my name for source link - &lt;i&gt;&#039;Beta Centauri Weighs In&#039;&lt;/i&gt; by Ken Croswell published  2004 November 15th.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Joseph G. : Y&#8217;know that is a superluminous idea! I second that suggestion. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d really love to see that put into practice even if it would take an awfully long time to get to my favourite planet &#8211; Pluto! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>(Guess they could cheat just slightly and have Pluto located at its perihelion distance of just 29.6 Astronomical Units rather than its aphelion one of 49.3 AU. Mean distance of 5,900 million  kilometers or 330 minutes (5.5 hours) as the photon flies.  Waiting till we get to Sedna may test my patience though! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) </p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>FWIW &amp; if it helps : </p>
<p><b>Planet     = Travel time at light speed </b> (Heading out from Sun in straight line.)</p>
<p>Mercury = 3.2 minutes</p>
<p>Venus = 6.0 minutes </p>
<p>Earth =8.3 minutes  (Light takes about 2 seconds travelling between Earth &amp; Moon.)</p>
<p>Mars = 13 minutes</p>
<p>Ceres = ?? </p>
<p>Jupiter =43 minutes</p>
<p>Saturn = 79 minutes</p>
<p>Ouranos / 34 Tauri / Georgium Siderus = 159 minutes  (2.7 hours) </p>
<p>Neptune = 246 minutes (4.1 hours)</p>
<p>Pluto = 330 minutes (5.5 hours) </p>
<p>Eris = ??? </p>
<p>Haumea = ??? </p>
<p>Makemake = ??? </p>
<p>Quaoar = ??? </p>
<p>Sedna = ??? </p>
<p>NB. 1 light year = the distance travelled by light in a year = 63,240 AU or 0.30660 parsec</p>
<p>1 parsec =   the distance a star would have a parallax of 1 second of arc<br />
 = 206,265 AU or 3.2616 light year</p>
<p>The “pointers” to the Southern Cross are two of the brightest stars in our sky. The lower one is Alpha Centauri our nearest stellar neighbour at 4.3 light years away and a binary of yellow and orange dwarfs. The other, a blue supergiant called Hadar, Agena or Beta Centauri appears almost as bright to us but lies some <strike>460</strike> 352 light years away! Click on my name for source link &#8211; <i>&#8216;Beta Centauri Weighs In&#8217;</i> by Ken Croswell published  2004 November 15th.</p>
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		<title>By: Latest Saturn Rings News &#124; Mars2030</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latest Saturn Rings News &#124; Mars2030</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and their shadow cast across the planet&#039;s southern hemisphere cloud tops. &#8230; Read more on Discover Magazine (blog)  Tags: Latest, News, Rings, Saturn   This entry was posted on Wednesday, December 21st, 2011 at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/19/the-scale-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-458009</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@41 Brian:  I often thought it&#039;d be cool if someone made an animation showing the view flying through the solar system at the speed of light, starting at the Sun and passing each planet (obviously, the timing of the planets&#039; orbits would be creatively tweaked so they&#039;re all aligned for the flyby).  Seeing as how it&#039;d take almost 13 minutes just to get to Mars, I think that&#039;d offer a sense of the vastness that exists even in our own interplanetary backyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@41 Brian:  I often thought it&#8217;d be cool if someone made an animation showing the view flying through the solar system at the speed of light, starting at the Sun and passing each planet (obviously, the timing of the planets&#8217; orbits would be creatively tweaked so they&#8217;re all aligned for the flyby).  Seeing as how it&#8217;d take almost 13 minutes just to get to Mars, I think that&#8217;d offer a sense of the vastness that exists even in our own interplanetary backyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@35 : &quot;Embiggen? Why, that&#039;s a perfectly cromulent word.&quot;

Predictable I know, but someone had to say it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@35 : &#8220;Embiggen? Why, that&#8217;s a perfectly cromulent word.&#8221;</p>
<p>Predictable I know, but someone had to say it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MTU (#35):

&quot;this planet is Saturn – the Roman name for the Greek god Chronos&quot;

Not quite.  The Greek equivalent of the Roman Saturn is Cronus (or Kronos), not Chronos.  Two different entities.  So, Phil should probably have written &quot;encronusate,&quot; not &quot;encronosate.&quot;  But when it comes to neologisms, who&#039;s to say what the proper spelling should be (if not he/she who coins it)?</description>
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<p>&#8220;this planet is Saturn – the Roman name for the Greek god Chronos&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite.  The Greek equivalent of the Roman Saturn is Cronus (or Kronos), not Chronos.  Two different entities.  So, Phil should probably have written &#8220;encronusate,&#8221; not &#8220;encronosate.&#8221;  But when it comes to neologisms, who&#8217;s to say what the proper spelling should be (if not he/she who coins it)?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6. Amos Zeeberg,

One shortcoming I find about the Powers of 10 video.  The steady shifting in scale at a logarithmic rate is something that human beings cannot naturally do.  So one lesson that the young or disinterested may take away is that it is possible to experience the entire universe in about 3 minutes!

I suspect that a truer sense would be gained from experiencing a trip to a local group star, at speeds we can achieve today.  As the minutes tick into hours and no noticeable progress was being made (in terms of the total time needed), I think that scale would be experienced at a human level.

Of course this kind of thing won&#039;t do when constant stimulation is needed to keep the audience engaged.  But the likely monotony of real interstellar space travel would be an eye opener for some.</description>
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<p>One shortcoming I find about the Powers of 10 video.  The steady shifting in scale at a logarithmic rate is something that human beings cannot naturally do.  So one lesson that the young or disinterested may take away is that it is possible to experience the entire universe in about 3 minutes!</p>
<p>I suspect that a truer sense would be gained from experiencing a trip to a local group star, at speeds we can achieve today.  As the minutes tick into hours and no noticeable progress was being made (in terms of the total time needed), I think that scale would be experienced at a human level.</p>
<p>Of course this kind of thing won&#8217;t do when constant stimulation is needed to keep the audience engaged.  But the likely monotony of real interstellar space travel would be an eye opener for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Bipedal Tetrapod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bipedal Tetrapod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Didn&#039;t notice that Fan of both BA and DA and David Breece beat me to it...</description>
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		<title>By: Bipedal Tetrapod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bipedal Tetrapod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or in the words of the late, great, Douglas Adams: 
Space is big. Really big. You just won&#039;t believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it&#039;s a long way down the road to the chemist, but that&#039;s just peanuts to space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or in the words of the late, great, Douglas Adams:<br />
Space is big. Really big. You just won&#8217;t believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it&#8217;s a long way down the road to the chemist, but that&#8217;s just peanuts to space.</p>
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		<title>By: t-storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>t-storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drove a Saturn for years, it wasn&#039;t that big.</description>
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		<title>By: Teaching: We&#8217;re Doin It Rong (Links for 12/19/2011) &#171; Galileo&#039;s Pendulum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teaching: We&#8217;re Doin It Rong (Links for 12/19/2011) &#171; Galileo&#039;s Pendulum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big is Saturn? Sooooooo big! Phil Plait shows us why the Jovian planets are known as giants. (The moon featured is Enceladus, which is a nice connection to my earlier [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first I thought that Epimetheus was the shadow of Enceladus, but yeah, the angle is all wrong.  
Does anyone know if the shadow of a moon would be visible on Saturn&#039;s surface (with Cassini&#039;s cameras)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought that Epimetheus was the shadow of Enceladus, but yeah, the angle is all wrong.<br />
Does anyone know if the shadow of a moon would be visible on Saturn&#8217;s surface (with Cassini&#8217;s cameras)?</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@19.   citizenstx : &lt;i&gt; “Encronosate”? Someone help me out here please. Clear enough what it means, but where’d it come from?&lt;/i&gt;

Its a word game the Bad Astronomer plays and has done for years here where the word &#039;enlarge&#039; is changed into something else related to the subject matter of the image. 

For instance, since this planet is Saturn - the Roman name for the Greek god Chronos - the BA has chosen to invent &lt;i&gt;&quot;encronosate&quot;&lt;/i&gt; to replace &lt;i&gt;&#039;enlarge&#039;&lt;/i&gt; in this case. No, I don&#039;t know what the BA has against the word &lt;i&gt;&#039;enlarge&#039;&lt;/i&gt; but clearly he wishes to avoid.

 I believe it stems from an episode of &lt;i&gt;&#039;The Simpsons&#039;&lt;/i&gt; where Mr Burns uses the non-word &quot;embiggen&quot; and when someone objects the response is generally that its &quot;a perfectly cromulent word&quot;   - again referring to that episode. Some folks like that neologistic game here and  others don&#039;t but either way, its just one of the BA&#039;s quirks which he&#039;s not going to stop and something you get used to after a while here. Hope that helps. :-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@19.   citizenstx : <i> “Encronosate”? Someone help me out here please. Clear enough what it means, but where’d it come from?</i></p>
<p>Its a word game the Bad Astronomer plays and has done for years here where the word &#8216;enlarge&#8217; is changed into something else related to the subject matter of the image. </p>
<p>For instance, since this planet is Saturn &#8211; the Roman name for the Greek god Chronos &#8211; the BA has chosen to invent <i>&#8220;encronosate&#8221;</i> to replace <i>&#8216;enlarge&#8217;</i> in this case. No, I don&#8217;t know what the BA has against the word <i>&#8216;enlarge&#8217;</i> but clearly he wishes to avoid.</p>
<p> I believe it stems from an episode of <i>&#8216;The Simpsons&#8217;</i> where Mr Burns uses the non-word &#8220;embiggen&#8221; and when someone objects the response is generally that its &#8220;a perfectly cromulent word&#8221;   &#8211; again referring to that episode. Some folks like that neologistic game here and  others don&#8217;t but either way, its just one of the BA&#8217;s quirks which he&#8217;s not going to stop and something you get used to after a while here. Hope that helps. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BrianDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How big is NASA&#039;s monitor cleaner budget? Because even if I had noticed Epimetheus in the first picture I would have assumed it was a speck of dirt on my screen.</description>
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		<title>By: megan13o</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan13o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for sure and for true, A GOD spoke to our planet of intelligent apes and said we were a MALE God&#039;s chosen species and within that a SINGLE tribe in a desert was foremost on IT&#039;S mind to intercede for and bless. And out of billions of options just becuase we&#039;re self aware, we&#039;re only ones in the whole of the universe gaining it&#039;s attention like a tick or flea on a dog&#039;s back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for sure and for true, A GOD spoke to our planet of intelligent apes and said we were a MALE God&#8217;s chosen species and within that a SINGLE tribe in a desert was foremost on IT&#8217;S mind to intercede for and bless. And out of billions of options just becuase we&#8217;re self aware, we&#8217;re only ones in the whole of the universe gaining it&#8217;s attention like a tick or flea on a dog&#8217;s back.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 04:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who haven&#039;t read them before here&#039;s some of my favourite quotes on the scale of things astronomical that make you think : 
  
“Space isn’t remote at all. Its only an hour away if your car could go straight upwards.”
- Page 43, Sir Fred Hoyle, &lt;i&gt;‘The Wonderful World of Space’&lt;/i&gt; , Heather Couper, Octopus Books, 1980.

(But …)

“If it were possible to drive straight from the Earth to Neptune, taking the shortest possible route and keeping up a steady 60 m.p.h., the journey would take nearly 5,200 years.”
- Page 57, &lt;i&gt;‘The Sky at Night’&lt;/i&gt;, Patrick Moore, WW. Norton &amp; Co, 1986.

“If we could transport Phobos and Diemos to our own Moon, they would fit comfortably inside the wide crater Copernicus with room enough for two moons of similar size.”
- Stephen James O’Meara, page 102 &lt;i&gt;“The Demon Sprites of Mars”&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;i&gt;‘Sky &amp; Telescope’ &lt;/i&gt; magazine, June 2001. 

“To get a sense of the scale of the Jovian system, consider that if the Earth was placed at the centre of Jupiter, our Moon would lie inside the orbit of [Jupiter’s nearest large moon] Io, while distant [outer moon] Sinope would be a third of way to Mars.”
- P. 186, Ferris, &lt;i&gt;‘Seeing in the Dark’&lt;/i&gt;, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.

“Jupiter’s magnetosphere, the wasp-shaped zone within which its magnetic field takes precedence over the charged particles constituting the solar wind, extends more than seven million miles ahead of the planet in the direction of its orbital motion, … and trails so far behind that it sometimes impinges upon Saturn.”
- P. 186, Ferris, &lt;i&gt;‘Seeing in the Dark’&lt;/i&gt;, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.

“If our Earth is 1 cm from our Sun – &amp; Pluto is 50 cm from it – then the edge of the Oort Cloud of Comet’s would be 1/2 a kilometer away!”
– Brian Cox, &lt;i&gt;&#039;Wonders of the Solar System&#039;&lt;/i&gt; documentary. (Paraphrased from memory so hope I’ve got that right but pretty sure I have. Circa March 1st 2011.) 

“If you put three grains of sand inside a vast cathedral, that cathedral will be more densely packed with grains of sand than stars are found apart in space.”
- British astronomer Sir James Jeans quoted on page 28, &lt;i&gt;‘Skywatching’&lt;/i&gt;, David H. Levy, Ken Fin Books, 1995.

“Around us is a vast galaxy arrayed on scales so gigantic that galactic structure becomes discernible only once the solar system has dwindled to a dot the size of the period of this sentence.”
- P.211, Ferris, &lt;i&gt;‘Seeing in the Dark’&lt;/i&gt;, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.

“Cosmology also tells us that there are perhaps 100 billion galaxies in the universe and that each contains roughly 100 billion stars. By a curious co-incidence, 100 billion is also the approximate number of cells in a human brain.”
- Page 237, &lt;i&gt;‘StarGazer’&lt;/i&gt;, Dr Fred Watson, Allen &amp; Unwin, 2004.

“Yet here we are with our eyes and our minds and our curiosity, six+ billion passengers aboard a tiny blue boat, bobbing and wheeling our way around one vast Catherine wheel among many.”
- P.246, Ferris, &lt;i&gt;‘Seeing in the Dark’&lt;/i&gt;, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.

+ Today that figure is apparently seven billion humans – less than a decade later.

***** 


Size is, of course, relative and much depends on your point of view. (Size also depends on how fast an object is travelling as near light-speed shapes as well as masses are distorted -at least from an observers perspective - if I understand Einsteinian physics right. 8) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who haven&#8217;t read them before here&#8217;s some of my favourite quotes on the scale of things astronomical that make you think : </p>
<p>“Space isn’t remote at all. Its only an hour away if your car could go straight upwards.”<br />
- Page 43, Sir Fred Hoyle, <i>‘The Wonderful World of Space’</i> , Heather Couper, Octopus Books, 1980.</p>
<p>(But …)</p>
<p>“If it were possible to drive straight from the Earth to Neptune, taking the shortest possible route and keeping up a steady 60 m.p.h., the journey would take nearly 5,200 years.”<br />
- Page 57, <i>‘The Sky at Night’</i>, Patrick Moore, WW. Norton &amp; Co, 1986.</p>
<p>“If we could transport Phobos and Diemos to our own Moon, they would fit comfortably inside the wide crater Copernicus with room enough for two moons of similar size.”<br />
- Stephen James O’Meara, page 102 <i>“The Demon Sprites of Mars”</i> in <i>‘Sky &amp; Telescope’ </i> magazine, June 2001. </p>
<p>“To get a sense of the scale of the Jovian system, consider that if the Earth was placed at the centre of Jupiter, our Moon would lie inside the orbit of [Jupiter’s nearest large moon] Io, while distant [outer moon] Sinope would be a third of way to Mars.”<br />
- P. 186, Ferris, <i>‘Seeing in the Dark’</i>, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.</p>
<p>“Jupiter’s magnetosphere, the wasp-shaped zone within which its magnetic field takes precedence over the charged particles constituting the solar wind, extends more than seven million miles ahead of the planet in the direction of its orbital motion, … and trails so far behind that it sometimes impinges upon Saturn.”<br />
- P. 186, Ferris, <i>‘Seeing in the Dark’</i>, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.</p>
<p>“If our Earth is 1 cm from our Sun – &amp; Pluto is 50 cm from it – then the edge of the Oort Cloud of Comet’s would be 1/2 a kilometer away!”<br />
– Brian Cox, <i>&#8216;Wonders of the Solar System&#8217;</i> documentary. (Paraphrased from memory so hope I’ve got that right but pretty sure I have. Circa March 1st 2011.) </p>
<p>“If you put three grains of sand inside a vast cathedral, that cathedral will be more densely packed with grains of sand than stars are found apart in space.”<br />
- British astronomer Sir James Jeans quoted on page 28, <i>‘Skywatching’</i>, David H. Levy, Ken Fin Books, 1995.</p>
<p>“Around us is a vast galaxy arrayed on scales so gigantic that galactic structure becomes discernible only once the solar system has dwindled to a dot the size of the period of this sentence.”<br />
- P.211, Ferris, <i>‘Seeing in the Dark’</i>, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.</p>
<p>“Cosmology also tells us that there are perhaps 100 billion galaxies in the universe and that each contains roughly 100 billion stars. By a curious co-incidence, 100 billion is also the approximate number of cells in a human brain.”<br />
- Page 237, <i>‘StarGazer’</i>, Dr Fred Watson, Allen &amp; Unwin, 2004.</p>
<p>“Yet here we are with our eyes and our minds and our curiosity, six+ billion passengers aboard a tiny blue boat, bobbing and wheeling our way around one vast Catherine wheel among many.”<br />
- P.246, Ferris, <i>‘Seeing in the Dark’</i>, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2002.</p>
<p>+ Today that figure is apparently seven billion humans – less than a decade later.</p>
<p>***** </p>
<p>Size is, of course, relative and much depends on your point of view. (Size also depends on how fast an object is travelling as near light-speed shapes as well as masses are distorted -at least from an observers perspective &#8211; if I understand Einsteinian physics right. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to the scale of things this clip : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q 

&amp; 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&amp;v=2FwCMnyWZDg&amp;annotation_id=annotation_208405&amp;src_vid=vpUWNYgVEfk&amp;fmt=22

one are my personal favourites. :-) 

This one :  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIy76M-4txo


is a classic too - even if it is a smidgin outdated. ;-)

(Mild language warning at the very end of the song.) 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to the scale of things this clip : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q</a> </p>
<p>&amp; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&#038;v=2FwCMnyWZDg&#038;annotation_id=annotation_208405&#038;src_vid=vpUWNYgVEfk&#038;fmt=22" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&#038;v=2FwCMnyWZDg&#038;annotation_id=annotation_208405&#038;src_vid=vpUWNYgVEfk&#038;fmt=22</a></p>
<p>one are my personal favourites. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>This one :  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIy76M-4txo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIy76M-4txo</a></p>
<p>is a classic too &#8211; even if it is a smidgin outdated. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Mild language warning at the very end of the song.)</p>
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