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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/27/venus-and-the-moon-looking-pretty/#comment-318301</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction for the record :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sorry, make that one and a bit Earth-mass instead.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually no, not that high in mass even.

- The mass of our Moon = 0.012 of the Earth&#039;s.
(Source : Page 34, &lt;i&gt;&#039;Stars &amp; planets&#039;&lt;/i&gt; Patrick Moore, Chancellor press, 1992.)

- The  mass of Venus = 0.815 of Earth&#039;s. &lt;i&gt;(Page 30, ibid.)&lt;/i&gt;

So combining them results by my calculator anyhow in 0.827 or &lt;b&gt;NOT even a single Earth mass!&lt;/B&gt; (one Earth mass here = 1.) Which of course isn&#039;t even allowing for the likely factor that much of the material from a collision would be ejected from both worlds!

FWIW. Mars =  0.107 Earth masses &lt;i&gt;(page 40, ibid)&lt;/i&gt; &amp; Mercury = 0.055 &lt;i&gt;(page 28, ibid)&lt;/i&gt; so combining those two rock dwarfs would again only get us to 0.162 where one earth mass = 1.

Combining Mars with Venus = 0.922 &amp;
Combining Mercury with Venus = 0.87

Still leaving us without even one Earth mass. I&#039;m very surprised by these figures and  unsure if they&#039;re actually correct but its what the calculator says &amp;, yes, I&#039;ve rechecked. Maybe my maths or methodology here is wrong, maybe I&#039;m mistaken - &amp; if I am please let me know - but, that&#039;s what I&#039;ve calculated here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction for the record :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Sorry, make that one and a bit Earth-mass instead.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Actually no, not that high in mass even.</p>
<p>- The mass of our Moon = 0.012 of the Earth&#8217;s.<br />
(Source : Page 34, <i>&#8216;Stars &amp; planets&#8217;</i> Patrick Moore, Chancellor press, 1992.)</p>
<p>- The  mass of Venus = 0.815 of Earth&#8217;s. <i>(Page 30, ibid.)</i></p>
<p>So combining them results by my calculator anyhow in 0.827 or <b>NOT even a single Earth mass!</b> (one Earth mass here = 1.) Which of course isn&#8217;t even allowing for the likely factor that much of the material from a collision would be ejected from both worlds!</p>
<p>FWIW. Mars =  0.107 Earth masses <i>(page 40, ibid)</i> &amp; Mercury = 0.055 <i>(page 28, ibid)</i> so combining those two rock dwarfs would again only get us to 0.162 where one earth mass = 1.</p>
<p>Combining Mars with Venus = 0.922 &amp;<br />
Combining Mercury with Venus = 0.87</p>
<p>Still leaving us without even one Earth mass. I&#8217;m very surprised by these figures and  unsure if they&#8217;re actually correct but its what the calculator says &amp;, yes, I&#8217;ve rechecked. Maybe my maths or methodology here is wrong, maybe I&#8217;m mistaken &#8211; &amp; if I am please let me know &#8211; but, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve calculated here.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ MTU :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; ..would the Moon and Venus fuse – maybe at slower speeds into one double earth-mass &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Arrghh! What was I thinking!? :-o

The Moon is NOT an Earth mass natch. Sorry, make that one and a bit Earth-mass instead. Mea culpa.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ MTU :</p>
<blockquote><p><i> ..would the Moon and Venus fuse – maybe at slower speeds into one double earth-mass </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Arrghh! What was I thinking!? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The Moon is NOT an Earth mass natch. Sorry, make that one and a bit Earth-mass instead. Mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, not bad for a cell phone photo! Not bad at all. :-)

Amazing what modern technology can do when you think about it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Moon and Venus make a pretty pair, don’t they?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes but I wouldn&#039;t want them to physically meet! ;-)

It may be quite a spectacular collision but I think we could do without the likely swarm of red-hot asteroids  from the debris  spreading out our way and wrecking havoc! :-o

OTOH, could such a collision knock the dense atmosphere off Venus and split the Cytherean world  into two separate fragments - a binary planet each maybe about half to two-thirds of an Earth-mass and possibly habitable?

Perhaps such a collision - happening quickly enough could blast enough mass away from Venus - along with its atmosphere and cause it to spin quicker turning it into a Haumea-like terrestrial planet with small moons a much smaller mass letting some of that stifling air out and thus less pressure cooker conditions and perhaps turning it into something almost habitable? (Hmm.. then again, the chances of retaining volatiles eg. water in such a scenario are kinda remote.)

Or instead would the Moon and Venus fuse - maybe at slower speeds into one double earth-mass planet which could spin faster and   have different qualities maybe becoming better or maybe much worse than now - once the new lava oceans cooled solid? (Which may take some time.) Such a world would be worse out at venus&#039;es orbital distance -all that extra mass and the same heat can&#039;t lead to much that&#039;s good - but perhaps if this fused LunaVenus could moved out to Mars or the asteroid belt&#039;s distance somehow that greater mass and a thick atmosphere - assuming outgassing - might work out nicely. Except for one thing  - how would we shift it by Earth without altering our orbit in the process! :-o

I wonder - has anyone ever modelled this sort of Venus-Luna planetary encounter of the impactful kind? 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, not bad for a cell phone photo! Not bad at all. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Amazing what modern technology can do when you think about it.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The Moon and Venus make a pretty pair, don’t they?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes but I wouldn&#8217;t want them to physically meet! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It may be quite a spectacular collision but I think we could do without the likely swarm of red-hot asteroids  from the debris  spreading out our way and wrecking havoc! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>OTOH, could such a collision knock the dense atmosphere off Venus and split the Cytherean world  into two separate fragments &#8211; a binary planet each maybe about half to two-thirds of an Earth-mass and possibly habitable?</p>
<p>Perhaps such a collision &#8211; happening quickly enough could blast enough mass away from Venus &#8211; along with its atmosphere and cause it to spin quicker turning it into a Haumea-like terrestrial planet with small moons a much smaller mass letting some of that stifling air out and thus less pressure cooker conditions and perhaps turning it into something almost habitable? (Hmm.. then again, the chances of retaining volatiles eg. water in such a scenario are kinda remote.)</p>
<p>Or instead would the Moon and Venus fuse &#8211; maybe at slower speeds into one double earth-mass planet which could spin faster and   have different qualities maybe becoming better or maybe much worse than now &#8211; once the new lava oceans cooled solid? (Which may take some time.) Such a world would be worse out at venus&#8217;es orbital distance -all that extra mass and the same heat can&#8217;t lead to much that&#8217;s good &#8211; but perhaps if this fused LunaVenus could moved out to Mars or the asteroid belt&#8217;s distance somehow that greater mass and a thick atmosphere &#8211; assuming outgassing &#8211; might work out nicely. Except for one thing  &#8211; how would we shift it by Earth without altering our orbit in the process! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wonder &#8211; has anyone ever modelled this sort of Venus-Luna planetary encounter of the impactful kind? 8)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had to get up at 4:00 a.m. this morning, so I got to see Mars (making kind of an interesting pattern with the brighter stars of Leo) and Saturn (near Spica).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had to get up at 4:00 a.m. this morning, so I got to see Mars (making kind of an interesting pattern with the brighter stars of Leo) and Saturn (near Spica).</p>
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		<title>By: EricLarson</title>
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		<dc:creator>EricLarson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s how it looked in san diego the night after christmas

goo.gl/LQAsN (my flickr acct)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s how it looked in san diego the night after christmas</p>
<p>goo.gl/LQAsN (my flickr acct) <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/27/venus-and-the-moon-looking-pretty/#comment-318296</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same the same thing, as well as the closer approach the day before, from here in Arizona.

And they&#039;re going to be even closer next month and the month after that?
Awesome!

I can imagine someone getting a shot of the sky that shows the Moon, Venus, and Jupiter all in a row in the sky.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same the same thing, as well as the closer approach the day before, from here in Arizona.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re going to be even closer next month and the month after that?<br />
Awesome!</p>
<p>I can imagine someone getting a shot of the sky that shows the Moon, Venus, and Jupiter all in a row in the sky&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: James Paul Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Paul Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also live in Boulder and randomly noticed this gorgeous view the other night. I took some pictures with my camera phone (but played around with exposure and such) and posted a photobucket album: http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/jpmason86/

As soon as I looked at the images on the computer, I thought to myself: &quot;Phil Plait is totally going to post on this tomorrow.&quot; Looks like I was right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also live in Boulder and randomly noticed this gorgeous view the other night. I took some pictures with my camera phone (but played around with exposure and such) and posted a photobucket album: <a href="http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/jpmason86/" rel="nofollow">http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/jpmason86/</a></p>
<p>As soon as I looked at the images on the computer, I thought to myself: &#8220;Phil Plait is totally going to post on this tomorrow.&#8221; Looks like I was right!</p>
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		<title>By: Mapnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mapnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Phil, what&#039;s with the long unbroken string of astronomy posts and sky pics?  I keep coming here looking for a good rant against creationism, antivaxxers, or the idiocies of presidential candidates, and going away disappointed. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Phil, what&#8217;s with the long unbroken string of astronomy posts and sky pics?  I keep coming here looking for a good rant against creationism, antivaxxers, or the idiocies of presidential candidates, and going away disappointed. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sjur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sjur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I was out yesterday and captured the same event, only from Sweden where I live. Check it out: http://zaphyr.deviantart.com/#/d4ke2xq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I was out yesterday and captured the same event, only from Sweden where I live. Check it out: <a href="http://zaphyr.deviantart.com/#/d4ke2xq" rel="nofollow">http://zaphyr.deviantart.com/#/d4ke2xq</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg In Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg In Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 06:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That couldn&#039;t have been tonight. On my way home from work, I saw the same thing, and the moon was much further to the right. Also, the trees looked different. ;)

Been away from your blog for a while, Phil. Nothing personal. Still read it every day, just don&#039;t have as much time to post here as I used to. Had things going on. All is well. Keep up the good work! And let us know next time you&#039;re in Austin. I&#039;ll buy you another drink!

- Greg

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That couldn&#8217;t have been tonight. On my way home from work, I saw the same thing, and the moon was much further to the right. Also, the trees looked different. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Been away from your blog for a while, Phil. Nothing personal. Still read it every day, just don&#8217;t have as much time to post here as I used to. Had things going on. All is well. Keep up the good work! And let us know next time you&#8217;re in Austin. I&#8217;ll buy you another drink!</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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